Israel at war?

[DILLIGAF]

Grads said Trump would get us into a nuclear war, well this is the closest we have been since the 80's and Trump hasn't been in office in almost 3 years.

F that douche

 

[BabyRay]

Grads said Trump would get us into a nuclear war, well this is the closest we have been since the 80's and Trump hasn't been in office in almost 3 years.

The dems will still spin it to blame Trump, and large numbers of people will want to believe it.

 

[playdeep]

F that douche

X1000.

 

[monkeyswrench]

And my oldest grandson who just graduated high school is considering joining the military. Such a dangerous time

Have a friend who's son just went in 6 months ago. He was one of the kids that the "remote learning" BS really hammered. Barely graduated, very isolated and really not taught any skills. One day, he told his parents he was going into basic the following week. My friends was happy that his kid made a move to try and go forward...but last week I could see some fear or sadness I'd never seen before.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Friend of mine who I work with’s son is stationed at Barksdale AFB. He’s a navigator on a B-52 nuclear bomber. He just came home to surprise her last week and said he’s being deployed, that it’s a big deal, but he didn’t say where. I’m guessing the Middle East somewhere.

 

[TonyFanelli]

At this point in my life, I think the people in power know exactly what they are doing. They want chaos, confusion, division, war etc to collapse it all, and then have the "great reset" that they all want.

Yea, when thier Covid didn't kill enough people that they thought it would, they began planning this...

 

[CarolynandBob]

My son is in the Army and deployed in Germany right now. He is in a support position, so I do not think this will effect him.

 

[TPC]

Israel has been jumped by their neighbors in the past. History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes.

If China jumps in it’ll get its ass kicked like Vlad the Putniks army and navy is now experiencing deluxe.

Don’t see any of these vast hater countries offering to give any land to Palestine.
Israel the size of LA County is in no shape to.

 

[TPC]

The dems will still spin it to blame Trump, and large numbers of people will want to believe it.

Liberals around the world only get into office by promising something for nothing or at gunpoint.

Both methods equally bring out the worst in people.

 

[TPC]

Family members have worked in Riyadh Saudi Arabia for decades since the 1960’s.

The next to last people on the social respected shit scale are Pakistanis.
The last and zero respected are Palestinians.

This is all about hating Jews.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Family members have worked in Riyadh Saudi Arabia for decades since the 1960’s.

The next to last people on the social respected shit scale are Pakistanis.
The last and zero respected are Palestinians.

This is all about hating Jews.

Vinnell Corp?

 

[DILLIGAF]

This is who my Dad and brother worked for in the 80s in Riyadh All the while another brother was an Embassy Guard there. They were there when Mecca was seized for a bit which of course caused a complete blackout of the country.

Dad was there for 10 years.

About | Vinnell Arabia

www.vinnellarabia.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Israel has been jumped by their neighbors in the past. History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes.

If China jumps in it’ll get its ass kicked like Vlad the Putniks army and navy is now experiencing deluxe.

Don’t see any of these vast hater countries offering to give any land to Palestine.
Israel the size of LA County is in no shape to.

What world are you living in?

Russia has basically won. They have their land bridge to Crimea and Black Sea access. They are losing 1 person to 40 on the Ukrainian side.

Battle map as of today.

 

[monkeyswrench]

What world are you living in?

Russia has basically won. They have their land bridge to Crimea and Black Sea access. They are losing 1 person to 40 on the Ukrainian side.

Battle map as of today.
View attachment 1292327

Haven't you learned from the other thread? No sense in arguing. Just like some others, sending money to kill Russians is a good thing. Now, sending Americans to fight and die openly in a different war.

The war against communism didn't kill enough, nor gain enough favor, so now a war against Islam. That should do it. If war is officially declared, no election here either...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Haven't you learned from the other thread? No sense in arguing. Just like some others, sending money to kill Russians is a good thing. Now, sending Americans to fight and die openly in a different war.

The war against communism didn't kill enough, nor gain enough favor, so now a war against Islam. That should do it. If war is officially declared, no election here either...

Bludgeoning people with their own ignorance is the only way.

There is hope, he seems to have finally turned the corner to face reality as it relates to EVs.

 

[4Waters]

What world are you living in?

Russia has basically won. They have their land bridge to Crimea and Black Sea access. They are losing 1 person to 40 on the Ukrainian side.

Battle map as of today.
View attachment 1292327

Russia got their ass kicked, it would have taken the US 1 week to take Ukraine. While Russia will ultimately win they got a beat down

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Russia got their ass kicked, it would have taken the US 1 week to take Ukraine. While Russia will ultimately win they got a beat down

That’s like saying we got our ass kicked in Iraq because we didn’t roll through there in a month.

Keep in mind the entire thing would have been over in less than 60 days if the US and UK had not blown up the peace talks that started in March of 22.

Both sides were expecting a quick end. So Russia mobilized more forces, and took what it wanted.

 

[4Waters]

That’s like saying we got our ass kicked in Iraq because we didn’t roll through there in a month.

Keep in mind the entire thing would have been over in less than 60 days if the US and UK had not blown up the peace talks that started in March of 22.

Both sides were expecting a quick end. So Russia mobilized more forces, and took what it wanted.

I didn't realize we went into Iraq to claim it as a US territory, I thought we went in to remove the government and return the country to the people. Learn something new every day. Russia went in to take the country over and claim it as their own and they are still trying, if we wanted to go in their with those intentions we would have been done in a week.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I didn't realize we went into Iraq to claim it as a US territory, I thought we went in to remove the government and return the country to the people. Learn something new every day. Russia went in to take the country over and claim it as their own and they are still trying, if we wanted to go in their with those intentions we would have been done in a week.

We were in the Mid East 2 decades trying to set up a government that was US friendly and that didn’t even work. We gave all of it back. It was literally for nothing, and we armed a ton of people that hate us.

If you want to put it in those terms, Russia is actually been more successful militarily than we have this century. I can’t think of one country the US has touched militarily in the last 25 years that was better off than when we started. Can you?

Recall we participated the coup in Ukraine in 2014. We kept pushing NATO further East when it was promised we would not. People in our government predicted this outcome 30 years ago, and again 10 years ago.

This entire Russian conflict is essentially our fault from 30 years of bad policy and lies from the US and NATO, because the MIC must feed itself.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Umm, isn't there another thread for the Nazi and communist debate?
I think this one was supposed to be Christian and Islam...you know, "Crusades Part II" or "Siege of Stalingrad"?

 

[4Waters]

We were in the Mid East 2 decades trying to set up a government that was US friendly and that didn’t even work. We gave all of it back. It was literally for nothing, and we armed a ton of people that hate us.

If you want to put it in those terms, Russia is actually been more successful militarily than we have this century. I can’t think of one country the US has touched militarily in the last 25 years that was better off than when we started. Can you?

Recall we participated the coup in Ukraine in 2014. We kept pushing NATO further East when it was promised we would not. People in our government predicted this outcome 30 years ago, and again 10 years ago.

This entire Russian conflict is essentially our fault from 30 years of bad policy and lies from the US and NATO, because the MIC must feed itself.

Read what I said

 

[Shlbyntro]

Umm, isn't there another thread for the Nazi and communist debate?
I think this one was supposed to be Christian and Islam...you know, "Crusades Part II" or "Siege of Stalingrad"?

funny you mention that, I'm watching Enemy At The Gates right now

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Read what I said

Also read what I said.

We were doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Umm, isn't there another thread for the Nazi and communist debate?
I think this one was supposed to be Christian and Islam...you know, "Crusades Part II" or "Siege of Stalingrad"?

It’s all the same debate. Why can’t we do in the homeland what we go around and do in the name of spreading democracy.

 

[4Waters]

Also read what I said.

We were doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So Vietnam and Iraq were the same type invasion as Germany into Poland, France.... and also the same as our invasion of Normandy. Russia's intentions were the same as Germany's and the allies intentions at Normandy which was totally different that of Vietnam and Iraq. The goal decides the type of invasion, Russia failed.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So Vietnam and Iraq were the same type invasion as Germany into Poland, France.... and also the same as our invasion of Normandy. Russia's intentions were the same as Germany's and the allies intentions at Normandy which was totally different that of Vietnam and Iraq. The goal decides the type of invasion, Russia failed.

I don’t think you understand Russia’s goal in all of this. Russia is not looking to take over Poland or the rest of Europe. That is MSM propaganda.

Like I said, they have already won, look at the battle map. They now control a land bridge between them and an unstable Ukraine.

This would have ended in a month without US intervention. Now half a million Ukrainians have died… for what?

The exact same will happen in Israel. This is not our fight. We can be a supportive partner, we don’t need to be a active participant.

 

[RiverDave]

I didn't realize we went into Iraq to claim it as a US territory, I thought we went in to remove the government and return the country to the people. Learn something new every day. Russia went in to take the country over and claim it as their own and they are still trying, if we wanted to go in their with those intentions we would have been done in a week.

From what I understand it was because Sadam was going to not going to continue to sell oil in IS dollars..

Which is the same reason we killed kadafi and sanctioned Venezuela etc.. it is always about the money.

 

[4Waters]

From what I understand it was because Sadam was going to not going to continue to sell oil in IS dollars..

Which is the same reason we killed kadafi and sanctioned Venezuela etc.. it is always about the money.

We didn't go in to claim it as the USA like what Russia plans on doing in Ukraine, Russia will succeed but at an astronomical cost especially for a country the size of Russia compared Ukraine, Russia is getting it's ass kicked.

 

[4Waters]

I don’t think you understand Russia’s goal in all of this. Russia is not looking to take over Poland or the rest of Europe. That is MSM propaganda.

Like I said, they have already won, look at the battle map. They now control a land bridge between them and an unstable Ukraine.

This would have ended in a month without US intervention. Now half a million Ukrainians have died… for what?

The exact same will happen in Israel. This is not our fight. We can be a supportive partner, we don’t need to be a active participant.

Never mind you are right, you are always right

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don’t think you understand Russia’s goal in all of this. Russia is not looking to take over Poland or the rest of Europe. That is MSM propaganda.

Like I said, they have already won, look at the battle map. They now control a land bridge between them and an unstable Ukraine.

This would have ended in a month without US intervention. Now half a million Ukrainians have died… for what?

We didn't go in to claim it as the USA like what Russia plans on doing in Ukraine, Russia will succeed but at an astronomical cost especially for a country the size of Russia compared Ukraine, Russia is getting it's ass kicked.

Never mind you are right, you are always right

Russia is kicking “our” ass at a rate of 40+ casualties to 1.

What will be this astronomical cost? We have given Ukraine over $130 Billion to lose the war. Oh, have you heard of BRICS? That could replace the petrodollar.

The US is worse off than Russia over this.

Prove me wrong. Show me one way we are “winning”.

 

[4Waters]

Russia is kicking “our” ass at a rate of 40+ casualties to 1.

What will be this astronomical cost? We have given Ukraine over $130 Billion to lose the war. Oh, have you heard of BRICS?

The US is worse off than Russia over this.

Prove me wrong. Show me one way we are “winning”.

Who's we? TPC said russa is getting it ass kicked and you said no, I just explained what he ment by that and you don't get it. If the US military decided it wanted to make Ukraine part of the US it would have been done in a week, way before Russia could have sent 1 dollar in aide. We didn't send any aide for a few weeks, Russia should have been done by then.


You're right, you're always right and everyone else is always wrong

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Who's we? TPC said russa is getting it ass kicked and you said no, I just explained what he ment by that and you don't get it. If the US military decided it wanted to make Ukraine part of the US it would have been done in a week, way before Russia could have sent 1 dollar in aide. We didn't send any aide for a few weeks, Russia should have been done by then.


You're right, you're always right and everyone else is always wrong

The simple fact that any objective person can see is that Russia has won, we have lost unless we are going to escalate that conflict and take back what Russia has captured.

It’s clear neither of you have a grasp of the facts leading up to or during this conflict. If all you can provide is chanting “Russia Bad, and we are kicking their ass” yes, I’m right and you TPC and MSNBC are wrong.

 

[4Waters]

The simple fact that any objective person can see is that Russia has won, we have lost unless we are going to escalate that conflict and take back what Russia has captured.

It’s clear neither of you have a grasp of the facts leading up to or during this conflict. If all you can provide is chanting “Russia Bad, and we are kicking their ass” yes, I’m right and you TPC and MSNBC are wrong.

You don't get it.

You're always right

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You don't get it.

You're always right

It’s now clear to everyone who does not get it.
You act as if we are not fighting and funding a proxy war with Russia. Even TPC knows that to be true.

 

[Racey]

We didn't go in to claim it as the USA like what Russia plans on doing in Ukraine, Russia will succeed but at an astronomical cost especially for a country the size of Russia compared Ukraine, Russia is getting it's ass kicked.

Russia is objectively not getting it's ass kicked. It never had any intention of taking over the country of Ukraine, that was a talking point created whole cloth by Biden's administration and the Western Lying Media.

When it sent troops north to Kyiv it wasn't to take control of the capitol, it was a classic bait and switch to divert Ukrainian forces back northward ensuring the Russian's ability fully galvanize their control in the South from the Dnipro River to Crimea, the southern half of Dotnesk, and most of Luhansk, Two territories which had already been in an 8 year civil war with Kyiv going back to 2014, which means two territories that welcomed Russian over Kyiv. They don't have to fight an insurgency there. And they have the territory they want. A fully secured land bridge to their strategic naval base in Crimea.

 

[4Waters]

It’s now clear to everyone who does not get it.
You act as if we are not fighting and funding a proxy war with Russia. Even TPC knows that to be true.

I never said that

 

[monkeyswrench]

Russia is objectively not getting it's ass kicked. It never had any intention of taking over the country of Ukraine, that was a talking point created whole cloth by Biden's administration and the Western Lying Media.

When it sent troops north to Kyiv it wasn't to take control of the capitol, it was a classic bait and switch to divert Ukrainian forces back northward ensuring the Russian's ability fully galvanize their control in the South from the Dnipro River to Crimea, the southern half of Dotnesk, and most of Luhansk, Two territories which had already been in an 8 year civil war with Kyiv going back to 2014, which means two territories that welcomed Russian over Kyiv. They don't have to fight an insurgency there. And they have the territory they want. A fully secured land bridge to their strategic naval base in Crimea.

Well damn you! You read more than just the past 2 years headlines.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I never said that

If you never said that, then it’s hard to argue that Russia’s ass is being kicked because they have attained exactly what they set out to attain, and the enemy (Ukraine) has suffered around 10:1 losses.

Russias goal in this was never to take over Ukraine and Europe.

We are continuing to fund a battle we have fundamentally already lost in the name of money laundering.

 

[Bobby V]

If you never said that, then it’s hard to argue that Russia’s ass is being kicked because they have attained exactly what they set out to attain, and the enemy (Ukraine) has suffered around 10:1 losses.

Russias goal in this was never to take over Ukraine and Europe.

We are continuing to fund a battle we have fundamentally already lost in the name of money laundering.

Just curious. If your 10:1 guesstimate is true. Does that number account for both civilians and military.

 

[Smitty7]

Russia's goal was to kick this asshole clown show act out of Ukraine would be part of my guess. And yes Russia is slower than they would like but the outcome is decided.

 

[regor]

There's a growing internal threat to US national security: 68% of American service members are either obese or overweight.

"Rapid and sustained recurrence of obesity across all services, ranks, and positions now poses a dire threat, especially for at-risk populations and those in critical combat roles," writes the American Security Project (ASP) a DC think tank, in a new 25-page report on the problem.

Perhaps most alarming is the slope of the trendline: The proportion of obese members in the ranks has more than doubled in the last decade, from 10.4% in 2012 to 21.6% in 2022. The military trend has paralleled the similarly disturbing pattern observed across American society:


Let’s hope our technology is far superior because our troops clearly aren’t.

 

[regor]

Russia's goal was to kick this asshole clown show act out of Ukraine would be part of my guess. And yes Russia is slower than they would like but the outcome is decided.

Russia ALWAYS fights wars of attrition and they are stronger now than when it started.

 

[Tom Slick]

All to continue enrichening the military industrial complex, politicians, global elites, etc. with US tax payer dollars. We spent nearly 30 years in the Middle East keeping the cash machine rolling. Bounced out of there to funnel money through the Ukraine sham and now playing stupid games in Isrial to likely get into a position to not have a 2024 election. You guys think all of this shit isn’t fixed?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Just curious. If your 10:1 guesstimate is true. Does that number account for both civilians and military.

Yes that seems to be total.

Even the New York Times says Russian forces outnumber Ukrainian forces 3:1 now.

 

[4Waters]

If you never said that, then it’s hard to argue that Russia’s ass is being kicked because they have attained exactly what they set out to attain, and the enemy (Ukraine) has suffered around 10:1 losses.

Russias goal in this was never to take over Ukraine and Europe.

We are continuing to fund a battle we have fundamentally already lost in the name of money laundering.

You went down this money thing not me

 

[530RL]

I’m always amazed that not a single government in the world knows the exact loss rate between Russian and Ukrainian forces yet we here in RDP know the numbers within two decimals of accuracy.

 

[jet496]

All I'll say is that we know absolutely nothing. The media feeds us what they want us to know so making any kind of assumptions are a futile effort. Makes for good conversation but we are wrong on all accounts. We don't know who the good guys or bad guys are. We don't know who started what, did what, even with videos (example: The hospital bombing). I just can't waste my time listening to it, It's all propaganda. Just sayin'.

 

[530RL]

All I'll say is that we know absolutely nothing. The media feeds us what they want us to know so making any kind of assumptions are a futile effort. Makes for good conversation but we are wrong on all accounts. We don't know who the good guys or bad guys are. We don't know who started what, did what, even with videos (example: The hospital bombing). I just can't waste my time listening to it, It's all propaganda. Just sayin'.

I’d say we all know that if someone invaded the United States on the edges, like Hamas has done in Israel or Russia has done in Ukraine, that we would fight to protect our land, our families and our freedom. Most would not flee our homes, our businesses and the lives we had built.

And we would hope that other countries that believe in small d democracy would help us in our cause. We certainly wouldn’t expect them to sacrifice their lives for our homeland, but we would hope for and appreciate arms and supplies so that we could undertake our own fight.

For me, that is the simple view of the situation in Israel and in Ukraine. Murdering children, women and the old makes it that simple for me.

 

[4Waters]

I’d say we all know that if someone invaded the United States on the edges, like Hamas has done in Israel or Russia has done in Ukraine, that we would fight to protect our land, our families and our freedom.

And we would hope that other countries that believe in small d democracy would help us in our cause. We certainly wouldn’t expect them to sacrifice their lives for our homeland, but we would hope for and appreciate arms and supplies so that we could undertake our own fight.

For me, the that is the simple view of the situation in Israel and in Ukraine. Murdering children, women and the old makes it that simple for me.

There is not one country that would send aid, we would have to do it ourselves. No aid when Northridge happened, no aid when 911 happened, no aid when Katrina happened, no aid when...... we always send aid to them. The question is who's side are you on? That's a rhetorical question we already know.

 

[JayBreww]

All I'll say is that we know absolutely nothing. The media feeds us what they want us to know so making any kind of assumptions are a futile effort. Makes for good conversation but we are wrong on all accounts. We don't know who the good guys or bad guys are. We don't know who started what, did what, even with videos (example: The hospital bombing). I just can't waste my time listening to it, It's all propaganda. Just sayin'.

A few posts ago someone said nuclear war is about to start because it was hashtagged. People believe anything on the internet.