I bought a boat last night and it’s pink

[Hightyme]

This boat checks all the boxes for what I would use it for.

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I love that boat spent most of my childhood in the back of it 24’ vdrive

 

[n2otoofast4u]

I have a chance to buy one. Gauging interest in it. I need a 4th boat like a need a second wife lol

I get that! We’re at 3 also, it’s too fkn much, was at 4, that’s insanity sauce. BUT, it’s doable!

 

[hallett21]

so to clarify, the 275 is not a hallett?

Agreed…..

 

[Done-it-again]

That is the problem. The 30 is a normal family boat. What family is going to spend 400k on a boat?

A 30 is not going to cost you 400k.

But family’s are paying 250k on a toon.

 

[Done-it-again]

i get the hallett look........i agree it is timeless...........but you gotta sell them, regardless
who gonna pay new prices for a 24? incomes havent compensated yet

So where does the price make sense on the size of the boat.

Say a 210 vs a 255 optioned the same way. What would be the difference between the 2?

 

[Bpracing1127]

So where does the price make sense on the size of the boat.

Say a 210 vs a 255 optioned the same way. What would be the difference between the 2?

I bet 30k but both are well over 150 so say it’s 150 for the 210 and 180 for the 255

 

[RiverDave]

Splash the 300 and sell it for 400k and you will sell 5 just on a rendering....

400k??

 

[Done-it-again]

400k??

I was being an ass from my comment on the intercepter thread.

 

[rivermobster]

My take...

First things first, fix the website so when you click on a model it doesn't only pop up a huge photo of the 400... Fix the website in general, very difficult to even find a decent exterior of multiple models.

- 275 is too Nordic, either add it to the Nordic lineup or re-tool the deck for Hallett windshields
- if the 270 is being brought back, I don't see much of a need for a 270 AND a 275
- Hallett interior is a must. Hard lines, square edges, and no swoops
- 270 single OB would be cool. I assume single 450 wont be enough. 600 would be cool, twins are meh on V's(IMHO)
- bring back the 240
- has anyone bought a 260? Not a knock at all, just haven't heard much about them personally. Maybe ditch it and clean up the model list?
- build more 285 decks
- 210 needs to be in the 80-100k range(base). I know, inflation and all that shit. Break even on 210s and you'll create new customers that will be loyal for life. How many people do you know that started with a 210 or similar "entry level" model and now have the 150-300k model from said manufacture?

Very well said.

The boating world needs Something for entry level buyers bad!

I'm sure it difficult to complete at the price point that the baby jet boats compete at, but can't there be something close??

An entry level boat doesn't need a 400 on it. It's need something that sips gas but will still pull a skier out of deep water!

A recreational boat. A fun to use boat. Most lakes on the west coast aren't big enough for the big hulls, and not everyone Wants to go to Havasu, Mead or Powell, especially an entry level buyer.

When I worked at JMS, we did a Lot of work for Hallett and I got to know Jerry and Jim pretty well...

From conversations with them, I get how emmission requirements have pushed costs Way out of proportion to the size of the boat. A 40ft boat has the same costly requirements as an 18ft boat, so bigger boats Need to be built to cover those costs. It's sad reality that you can't get away from.

But nevertheless, the industry Needs an affordable entry level boat!

The dock crusher boats are selling (at a ridiculous price point) cause they are FUN.

Can we not have a smaller entry level/affordable boat that is fun as well?

That throws a flat wake kids Can learn to ski behind easily?

People are spending 40-50k on SxS's all dam day, yeah? Why? Cause they are a blast!

Can we not get a fun usable boat in that same price range?

Maybe some new version of a tournament ski boat that will hit 50-60mph and not beat you to death in the chop?

Just food for thought is all.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Very well said.

The boating world needs Something for entry level buyers bad!

I'm sure it difficult to complete at the price point that the baby jet boats compete at, but can't there be something close??

An entry level boat doesn't need a 400 on it. It's need something that sips gas but will still pull a skier out of deep water!

A recreational boat. A fun to use boat. Most lakes on the west coast aren't big enough for the big hulls, and not everyone Wants to go to Havasu, Mead or Powell, especially an entry level buyer.

When I worked at JMS, we did a Lot of work for Hallett and I got to know Jerry and Jim pretty well...

From conversations with them, I get how emmission requirements have pushed costs Way out of proportion to the size of the boat. A 40ft boat has the same costly requirements as an 18ft boat, so bigger boats Need to be built to cover those costs. It's sad reality that you can't get away from.

But nevertheless, the industry Needs an affordable entry level boat!

The dock crusher boats are selling (at a ridiculous price point) cause they are FUN.

Can we not have a smaller entry level/affordable boat that is fun as well?

That throws a flat wake kids Can learn to ski behind easily?

People are spending 40-50k on SxS's all dam day, yeah? Why? Cause they are a blast!

Can we not get a fun usable boat in that same price range?

Maybe some new version of a tournament ski boat that will hit 50-60mph and not beat you to death in the chop?

Just food for thought is all.

The general answer for a fun usable boat in the $40-$50k range is buy a used boat. There are tons on the market all over the country.

The “new boat” answer to all those questions is buy a Tahiti or Cheetah if you want an entry level custom boat. Hallett is no longer and never will represent an “affordable entry level boat”. It probably shouldn’t.. it is a premium brand and should stay that way.

Nordic/Hallett is not going to waste time
breaking even on a 210 boat build when they can build a larger boat with higher margins with the same labor.

If you asked any tradesman on here to do their work for break even they would laugh in your face.

 

[whiteworks]

Very well said.

The boating world needs Something for entry level buyers bad!

I'm sure it difficult to complete at the price point that the baby jet boats compete at, but can't there be something close??

An entry level boat doesn't need a 400 on it. It's need something that sips gas but will still pull a skier out of deep water!

A recreational boat. A fun to use boat. Most lakes on the west coast aren't big enough for the big hulls, and not everyone Wants to go to Havasu, Mead or Powell, especially an entry level buyer.

When I worked at JMS, we did a Lot of work for Hallett and I got to know Jerry and Jim pretty well...

From conversations with them, I get how emmission requirements have pushed costs Way out of proportion to the size of the boat. A 40ft boat has the same costly requirements as an 18ft boat, so bigger boats Need to be built to cover those costs. It's sad reality that you can't get away from.

But nevertheless, the industry Needs an affordable entry level boat!

The dock crusher boats are selling (at a ridiculous price point) cause they are FUN.

Can we not have a smaller entry level/affordable boat that is fun as well?

That throws a flat wake kids Can learn to ski behind easily?

People are spending 40-50k on SxS's all dam day, yeah? Why? Cause they are a blast!

Can we not get a fun usable boat in that same price range?

Maybe some new version of a tournament ski boat that will hit 50-60mph and not beat you to death in the chop?

Just food for thought is all.

I’m sure I will catch shit for this around these parts, but the best boat for the money to fun factor is the Yamaha dual jet thing. I have two friends who’s family pitched in on one, I thing $60k’ish, 7 year warranty, almost zero maintenance. One week a summer we all rent a big house at bass lake and they bring this thing up, tie it up at the dock and hula kids around the lake all week. It’s pretty stout and can take a beating of kids climbing all over with not a care in the world of being nice to it, Cheetos, bring it, red Gatorade you betcha. It might go 50 mph, but it pulls skiers and holds 10 people or so. When the warranty expires they will take it down to the dealership and trade it in on a new one.

 

[brgrcru]

Make it happen. I want to see some river racing.

That’s before his time .
Those were the good days

 

[Done-it-again]

The general answer for a fun unstable boat in the $40-$50k range is buy a used boat. There are tons on the market all over the country.

The “new boat” answer to all those questions is buy a Tahiti or Cheetah. Hallett is no longer and never will represent an “affordable entry level boat”. It probably shouldn’t.. it is a premium brand and should stay that way.

Nordic/Hallett is not going to waste time
breaking even on a 210 boat build when they can build a larger boat with higher margins with the same labor

If you asked any tradesman on here to do their work for break even they would laugh in your face.

Only if they are busy, people sing a different tone when things are slow and lower their margins.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Only if they are busy, people sing a different tone when things are slow and lower their margins.

It’s a lot easier to cater to people with money than the poors that want an entry level boat.

They will always be able to find a dozen people to crank out a $300k+ boat a month for and make ends meet.

This is what all the successful boat MFGs learned in the last 10 years. They will never go back to making 60 small boats a year when they can make a dozen that cost 4x the price for less time and effort.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’m sure I will catch shit for this around these parts, but the best boat for the money to fun factor is the Yamaha dual jet thing. I have two friends who’s family pitched in on one, I thing $60k’ish, 7 year warranty, almost zero maintenance. One week a summer we all rent a big house at bass lake and they bring this thing up, tie it up at the dock and hula kids around the lake all week. It’s pretty stout and can take a beating of kids climbing all over with not a care in the world of being nice to it, Cheetos, bring it, red Gatorade you betcha. It might go 50 mph, but it pulls skiers and holds 10 people or so. When the warranty expires they will take it down to the dealership and trade it in on a new one.

This. Here is your new entry level ski and tubing boat, and why no custom boat mfg will compete in the entry level market.

 

[RiverDave]

What’s a 270 with twins cost?

 

[Done-it-again]

It’s a lot easier to cater to people with money than the poors that want an entry level boat.

They will always be able to find a dozen people to crank out a $300k+ boat a month for and make ends meet.

This is what all the successful boat MFGs learned in the last 10 years. They will never go back to making 60 small boats a year when they can make a dozen that cost 4x the price for less time and effort.

Show me a WC boat builder than can produce 12 boats a year. Maybe 2 cause most of their line up is at that level. All others no.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Show me a WC boat builder than can produce 12 boats a year. Maybe 2 cause most of their line up is at that level. All others no.

Show me a high end boat mfg that is producing half a dozen boats a year and surviving?

Notice I said successful boat MFGs, which is what we are taking about here.

 

[1tonfun]

Bass pro sells entry level boats in the $50-60k range. They are out there, just don't have a name like hallet, nordic, etc.

 

[Done-it-again]

Show me a high end boat mfg that is producing half a dozen boats a year and surviving?

Notice I said successful boat MFGs, which is what we are taking about here.

That’s only 1. You won’t know what boat MFG is successful till the economy takes a down turn.

 

[rivermobster]

Bass pro sells entry level boats in the $50-60k range. They are out there, just don't have a name like hallet, nordic, etc.

I’m sure I will catch shit for this around these parts, but the best boat for the money to fun factor is the Yamaha dual jet thing. I have two friends who’s family pitched in on one, I thing $60k’ish, 7 year warranty, almost zero maintenance. One week a summer we all rent a big house at bass lake and they bring this thing up, tie it up at the dock and hula kids around the lake all week. It’s pretty stout and can take a beating of kids climbing all over with not a care in the world of being nice to it, Cheetos, bring it, red Gatorade you betcha. It might go 50 mph, but it pulls skiers and holds 10 people or so. When the warranty expires they will take it down to the dealership and trade it in on a new one.

This is Exactly what I'm talking about!

If I'm going buy an 50k entry level boat, I'd much rather have one that says Hallett on it than Yamaha.

Maybe think outside the existing box and come up with a whole new solution?

 

[Hammer]

This is Exactly what I'm talking about!

If I'm going buy an 50k entry level boat, I'd much rather have one that says Hallett on it than Yamaha.

Maybe think outside the existing box and come up with a whole new solution?

Go price out the cost of base model Mercury engine/drive package. it's every bit of 30-50k. You are smoking crack if you think 50k will ever get you a entry level custom boat. The Trailer is at least 15k, Engine 30k? That leaves 5-10k for a hull to be laid up and rigged plus profit. Not going to happen.....

MFG's are in business to make money, not give out boats for free...

 

[rivermobster]

Go price out the cost of base model Mercury engine/drive package. it's every bit of 30-50k. You are smoking crack if you think 50k will ever get you a entry level custom boat. The Trailer is at least 15k, Engine 30k? That leaves 5-10k for a hull to be laid up and rigged plus profit. Not going to happen.....

MFG's are in business to make money, not give out boats for free...

Drive package??

How much is a Merc 250 OB?

 

[Hammer]

Drive package??

How much is a Merc 250 OB?

What hull are you going to put a Merc 250 OB on? a 210?

https://www.albernipowermarine.com/product/mercury-outboards/200-300-hp-mercury-fourstroke/250xl-fourstroke-dts

37k.....

EDIT: a couple more searches a 250 Merc is 28k... That leaves 20k to build and rig it and a trailer...

 

[rivermobster]

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250 is pricey according to the interwebs. But these are retail prices, if accurate anyway. Maybe a 175?

 

[rivermobster]

What hull are you going to put a Merc 250 OB on? a 210?

https://www.albernipowermarine.com/product/mercury-outboards/200-300-hp-mercury-fourstroke/250xl-fourstroke-dts

37k.....

Your thinking Inside the box.

I'm thinking something like Dylan posted. A whole new purpose built hull.

16-18ft hull. Something no one has done before now.

 

[hallett21]

This is Exactly what I'm talking about!

If I'm going buy an 50k entry level boat, I'd much rather have one that says Hallett on it than Yamaha.

Maybe think outside the existing box and come up with a whole new solution?

The F2 was close to what you’re talking about with a 200 Optimax on it. But it only seats 5 and is a little bit of a drivers boat (pad bottom). I believe @Crazyhippy has the molds now.

 

[rivermobster]

The F2 was close to what you’re talking about with a 200 Optimax on it. But it only seats 5 and is a little bit of a drivers boat (pad bottom). I believe @Crazyhippy has the molds now.

Got pics?

 

[Hammer]

Your thinking Inside the box.

I'm thinking something like Dylan posted. A whole new purpose built hull.

16-18ft hull. Something no one has done before now.

Joe- Nobody is going to build that from scratch. You going to run a 16-18 footer on parker? My 21' Vector is almost too small....

 

[hallett21]

Got pics?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That’s only 1. You won’t know what boat MFG is successful till the economy takes a down turn.

We are in a down turn.. and those that want to make and sell boats are still cranking them out. There isn’t any west coast MFG you can walk into and they will start your boat today. They are either busy or can’t manage a business.

The MFGs that haven’t figured out how to get boats out the door by now… aren’t ever going to.

 

[Jay Dub]

We have a 210 and a 255. Love them both. Hallett as a brand needs rising affluent (and affluent) long-term customers. You need the younger folks to fall in love with the brand and stay with it as they and their wealth grows. Think the BMW 3 series and Mercedes C class. Yes, more expensive than a Accord but attainable. Make a base 210 with Hallett styling and workmanship. Also what about a CPO Hallett? BMW, Mercedes and Porsche all build great brand loyalty thru their CPO programs. As for the new 270, I agree with Mike. classic Hallett colors, 600SC, extended swim platform. There are buyers for this boat.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Your thinking Inside the box.

I'm thinking something like Dylan posted. A whole new purpose built hull.

16-18ft hull. Something no one has done before now.

One of the problems isn't the size and availability of the boats, it is that first time boat buyers seem to want to have a 28ft something with a 525, or a tractor that is louder and crushes more docks. North of the gorge, it seems like there are more 26ft and larger boats than the 21 and under guys. River boats have grown

 

[counterpart7]

We have a 210 and a 255. Love them both. Hallett as a brand needs rising affluent (and affluent) long-term customers. You need the younger folks to fall in love with the brand and stay with it as they and their wealth grows. Think the BMW 3 series and Mercedes C class. Yes, more expensive than a Accord but attainable. Make a base 210 with Hallett styling and workmanship. Also what about a CPO Hallett? BMW, Mercedes and Porsche all build great brand loyalty thru their CPO programs. As for the new 270, I agree with Mike. classic Hallett colors, 600SC, extended swim platform. There are buyers for this boat.

This.

Build a brand and you'll have return customers for years and years to come. An entry level performance boat that is attainable will drive those customers into bigger and pricier boats in the future.

Cheetah may not have the best reputation from years past, but if they keep pumping attainable boats out the way they have been and continue to build a solid product, 10-20 years from now they will be as sought after as Halletts are now.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Your thinking Inside the box.

I'm thinking something like Dylan posted. A whole new purpose built hull.

16-18ft hull. Something no one has done before now.

Barron makes a 19 foot with a 250 OB. Go price it. It was $80k in 2020.

 

[rivermobster]

Joe- Nobody is going to build that from scratch. You going to run a 16-18 footer on parker? My 21' Vector is almost too small....

Your thinking Inside the box again!!!

Silverwood? Perris? Diamond Valley? Bass Lake? Clear Lake? Lopez Lake? Cachuma?

There are Tons of lakes in CA. Not everyone goes to the river!!!

When I was a kid, my dad drug us all over the place with his 14ft Crestliner. I can't even remember all the lakes we went to. I didn't start going to the river until high school, but I've been in a boat since day one.

All over this country there are thousands of lakes to boat on.

And not everyone has 200k plus to throw down to take their family on vacation.

Not to mention...

I hear 10ft Schiadas are pretty popular in Parker these days.

 

[NicPaus]

What’s a 270 with twins cost?

My guess is $220K with small block merc power. Let us know what they quote you.

I was told a new Cobra 260 like mine starts at 160k.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Your thinking Inside the box again!!!

Silverwood? Perris? Diamond Valley? Bass Lake? Clear Lake? Lopez Lake? Cachuma?

There are Tons of lakes in CA. Not everyone goes to the river!!!

When I was a kid, my dad drug us all over the place with his 14ft Crestliner. I can't even remember all the lakes we went to. I didn't start going to the river until high school, but I've been in a boat since day one.

All over this country there are thousands of lakes to boat on.

And not everyone has 200k plus to throw down to take their family on vacation.

Not to mention...

I hear 10ft Schiadas are pretty popular in Parker these days.

You are thinking inside the box by limiting the market for this mythical cheap new custom boat.

There is a reason this custom boat does not exist. If you want a small boat for a small lake, head to Bass Pro Shops and buy one.

Tahoe T18 with a 115 outboard for $32k

boatmodel

www.bassproboatingcenters.com

 

[outboard_256]

Your thinking Inside the box.

I'm thinking something like Dylan posted. A whole new purpose built hull.

16-18ft hull. Something no one has done before now.

R&D a whole new purpose built hull? That doesn't sound expensive at all.

Hallett doesn't need to build a name for them selves by giving away small boats in hopes they will buy another more expensive one in 10 years. They should be building the best most expensive boats they can sell to build up there name more.

If an entry level boater has $60k to spend and wants the big name boat they can just buy used. That's always an option.

 

[rivermobster]

R&D a whole new purpose built hull? That doesn't sound expensive at all.

Hallett doesn't need to build a name for them selves by giving away small boats in hopes they will buy another more expensive one in 10 years. They should be building the best most expensive boats they can sell to build up there name more.

If an entry level boater has $60k to spend and wants the big name boat they can just buy used. That's always an option.

All solid points as well.

 

[Hammer]

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This or a Maxed Out FC is the "new" entry level custom boat

Barron makes a 19 foot with a 250 OB. Go price it. It was $80k in 2020.

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@rivermobster how many of these has Jerry sold? Here is your boat.....

 

[hallett21]

This or a Maxed Out FC is the "new" entry level custom boat

@rivermobster how many of these has Jerry sold? Here is your boat.....

Forgot about the Maxed out Marine boat. That’s a pretty affordable custom boat.

Advantage also has their 21 with an outboard.

 

[hallett21]

This or a Maxed Out FC is the "new" entry level custom boat

@rivermobster how many of these has Jerry sold? Here is your boat.....

Forgot about the Maxed out Marine boat. That’s a pretty affordable custom boat.

Advantage also has their 21 with an outboard.

 

[Hammer]

R&D a whole new purpose built hull? That doesn't sound expensive at all.

Hallett doesn't need to build a name for them selves by giving away small boats in hopes they will buy another more expensive one in 10 years. They should be building the best most expensive boats they can sell to build up there name more.

If an entry level boater has $60k to spend and wants the big name boat they can just buy used. That's always an option.

I wanted my first boat to be a Hallett, I got it used for 10k, I wanted to upgrade to another Hallett(my 240), I spent a few more bucks, I wanted to upgrade to another nicer Hallett I spent A LOT more..... I'm as a loyal to the brand as they come, entry level Hallett is a 18/20ss,Vector or 210 and not a 16-18ft. outboard for 50k, I'd rather get into a used 240 for less and it is way more practical.

If you are a family man and admire Halletts you try to get into a 240 open bow for 35k and upgrade from there. Hallett doesn't need to create a 16-18ft boat to build the brand, they need to get the guy with the 1990 240 into a 2023 270 and sell the idea of a new composite boat that is more reliable and indestructible than your current boat, the rest of the Hallett purists will soon follow. The key is the styling of the boat, maxed outs FC did that with theirs, classic hull styling with modern features.

Forgot about the Maxed out Marine boat. That’s a pretty affordable custom boat.

Advantage also has their 21 with an outboard.

I like it a lot and it fits the bill for what rivermobster is asking for. I think they were like 80k...

Joe is probably drinking a beer patting himself on the back for "creating" boating content about now......

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Forgot about the Maxed out Marine boat. That’s a pretty affordable custom boat.

Advantage also has their 21 with an outboard.

The MOM boats are nice. But $80k+ new (probably $90+ now) Vs $50k for a nice used unit.. you can see why they haven’t made tons of them…

 

[monkeyswrench]

@rivermobster , I think you actually have an idea. Smaller "beginner" boats should have a market. People like me have always bought used stuff, because 1) I'm not a finance type 2) Don't have the coin to buy new stuff 3) Have tools and just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
An 80k boat for a first time buyer is a big chunk. People have said noone wants to pay for tooling up or R&D on a non-custom, "production" type line. SeaDoo has had various attempts, but still built with the PWC attitude and knowledge. Those little bastards are still everywhere, and they are still making attempts.

One of the biggest threads is still currently the "Speed" thread. Love it or hate it, it is basically a wheeled version of the same concept. Trophy trucks and Unlimiteds, even 1200hp sandcars, are beyond the reach of many. The SxS craze bridged the gap pretty well, allowing some to take families out for less. RG has some real experience with offroad, no two ways about it. He's looking to change that market, and I'm pretty sure he'll succeed.

There are already multiple hull designs that could be splashed. Merc has a lineup and a warranty already in place for the power package. It really is less far fetched to do a boat than some would think.

 

[rivermobster]

This or a Maxed Out FC is the "new" entry level custom boat

@rivermobster how many of these has Jerry sold? Here is your boat.....

I actually haven't talked to him in depth since I retired. His shop is right around the corner from where my shop was at Retts Automotive. I'd see him all the time back then.

Last time we chatted was at Desert Storm 2021? Was hoping to get a ride in his new boat, but really didn't want to bug him about it.

So at this point in time, I have no clue how his sales doing. I know my BIL came Very close to buying one of his boats, but ended up buying something used and a small house in Havasu City instead. Probably a Much better use of his money!

I'm just throwing out ideas Mike. It's not like anyone really cares what I think!

 

[clarence]

If I'm going buy an 50k entry level boat, I'd much rather have one that says Hallett on it than Yamaha.

You'd be in the minority.

 

[whiteworks]

This is Exactly what I'm talking about!

If I'm going buy an 50k entry level boat, I'd much rather have one that says Hallett on it than Yamaha.

Maybe think outside the existing box and come up with a whole new solution?

What does it matter what it says on the side of it? A $60K Hallett is gonna be a used boat with a piece meal of parts put together like all the other customs on the market. Where as a $60k Yamaha is gonna be new and be loaded with proprietary parts developed for the specific application, warranty, and huge corporate backing to take care of you. On top of that entry level boat buyer guy can walk in the door today, sign some papers for financing, hook the boat up and be at the river this weekend. No 6 month wait, possibility of funds being diverted, waiting for the piece meal parts package to be produced, etc…


There is zero need for an entry level boat to be made by a custom performance based manufacturer. I’d love to see @RiverDave run a Yamaha for a summer, drag that shit around the country behind his motorhome with the family and hear his opinion after that experience. From my Yamaha experience you just wash it down at the end of the week, and put the cover on until the next time you need it, maybe hook a battery tender up in the off season.

Truth be told I just like the Yamaha we use so much because it’s not mine LOL

 

[Done-it-again]

We are in a down turn.. and those that want to make and sell boats are still cranking them out. There isn’t any west coast MFG you can walk into and they will start your boat today. They are either busy or can’t manage a business.

The MFGs that haven’t figured out how to get boats out the door by now… aren’t ever going to.

Could have fooled me. Like you have said many times. When we started loosing blue collar jobs, then we have a down turn.

People are still spending like crazy and new home sells are selling very well.

Yes boat builders are busy, cause a lot of them can’t produce 1 boat a month. Keeping people waiting in line.