HEY-LAM , GOT A MODEL A*****

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[HNL2LHC]

Nice little cruiser. What are you thinking about for the starting bid?

 

[2FORCEFULL]

LET THE FUN BEGIN $$$$$$

 

[2FORCEFULL]

THINKING about making a pre war hot rod out of it....took for ever to find a nice 4 door.....it has juice brakes,... 35 ford 16''wire wheels,.. first thing is it's getting lowered..if the motor goes, I'll replace it with a 32 era flathead...... still 6 volt, but alternator and a few other up grades...

 

[HNL2LHC]

THINKING about making a pre war hot rod out of it....took for ever to find a nice 4 door.....it has juice brakes,... 32 ford 16''wire wheels,.. first thing is it's getting lowered..if the motor goes, I'll replace it with a 32 era flathead...... still 6 volt, but alternator and a few other up grades...

So the originals had mechanical brakes? Does this have the timing on the steering column?

 

[OLDRAAT]

What, no PJ'S?

 

[4Waters]

Looks like a down draft and a "B" motor

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Looks like a down draft and a "B" motor

it's suposed to be an A motor with a performace intake with a 2 barrel stromberg carb.... but I haven't checked that out yet,... also I think it has the 32 front and rear end with juice brakes...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

So the originals had mechanical brakes? Does this have the timing on the steering column?

thats how they came stock,... it now has the centrifugal advance with juice brakes...

 

[4Waters]

it's suposed to be an A motor with a performace intake with a 2 barrel stromberg carb.... but I haven't checked that out yet,... also I think it has the 32 front and rear end with juice brakes...

The head doesn't look like an "A" head, @monkeyswrench

 

[2FORCEFULL]

What, no PJ'S?

the boots are 4 years old,... that tells you how much I wear that get up...

 

[rivermobster]

Bitchin!

Let's see some dash/interior pics please!!

 

[2FORCEFULL]

The head doesn't look like an "A" head, @monkeyswrench

after looking, I think it's a 1932 "B" motor model "C" with the 3 bolt water pump... and no top water outlet..

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Model A Ford Garage ~ Model A and B Cylinder Head Identification

www.fordgarage.com

 

[BIGRED9158]

Is this a for sale ad

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Model A engines are rated at 40 hp stock. They use a smaller crank than their B and C counterparts, and use a gravity-feed or "splash-n-drip" oil system—not a pressurized oil system.
Model B engines feature a larger crank with no counterweights and a four-bolt water pump. They feature a pressurized oil system with direct lubrication to the mains. The oil galleys can be tapped to provide better lubrication for the crank, cam, and timing gears.
Model C engines pick up all of the advances of the B, but feature a counterweighted crank, a lighter flywheel—offsetting the crank counterweight's heft—and a three-hole water pump that will help you eyeball the difference at a swap meet or estate sale.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Bitchin!

Let's see some dash/interior pics please!!

cars in havasu, and i'm at vegas... but it restored mo hair....and stock looking...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

The Difference, Ford A,B & C Engines

'What are the differences in the Ford A, B and C engines?'

The 1932 V-8 was introduced as the 'Ford Model 18.' The four cylinder model was designated the 'Model B.' Although the V-8 was a national sensation and sold very well, there were many four cylinder Model B's produced. Compression of the Model B engine was 4.8; the A was 4.2. The Model B engine produced 50 hp at 2800 rpm; the A produced 40 hp at 2200 rpm. The Model 'B' mains were 2" diameter; mains in the 'A' were 1-5/8". 'B' rods were 1-7/8"; A rods were 1-1/2". The 'B' camshaft provided an increase in valve timing duration which contributed to the 50 hp at 2800 rpm. A diaphragm type fuel pump was mounted to the lower right side of the engine block. The water pump mounted with three bolts instead of four. The oil pump forced oil directly to the main bearings under mild pressure. Along with other valve chamber modifications, the oil return pipe was eliminated. Model 'C;' The 1933-34 Ford four cylinder engine has been unofficially dubbed the Model 'C.' This designation cannot be found in Ford literature or correspondence. It is strictly a user connotation. Changes from the 'B' to the 'C' engine included: a crank shaft employing integrally forged counterbalances, a shortened three bolt water water pump housing and a 39 pound flywheel compared to a 62-1/2 pound flywheel provided with the Model 'A.' (The counterbalances make up the difference.) There were 263,765 Model 'B' (and 'C') engines produced between March 9, 1932 and late 1934.

Ford produced the Model 'B' 4 cylinder engine from 1932 - 1934, concurrently with the V-8.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Pretty sure the block on that is an A block, it looks like the small oil fill. The head is a B or C (or aftermarket, like Broomfield) with an early V8 water pump adapter. Wheels look like 35s if 16"

 

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Modifications to the B engine included "pressure" feed to the main and cam bearings ; hence there was no need to partially fill the valve chamber with oil so that it could feed by gravity through tubes or holes to these bearings. Rather, oil was pumped directly into a gallery below the chamber and through holes which fed the main and cam bearings. The oil return pipe on the A engine carried away the overage and also cooled the oil as it was returned to the pan.

To understand why this was done, one must consider the engineering of the time. With respect to the main bearings of the crankshaft, Favary (see "Motor Vehicle Engineering - Engines" McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc.) had this to say in 1926: "When the linear speed of the bearings exceeds 1000 feet per minute, it is most important to maintain a film of oil between the bearing surfaces, hence pressure feed for such bearings in high-speed engines is essential." It should also be noted that a certain volume of oil must also circulate through the bearings to cool them.

Since the main bearing journal size on the B engine was increased to 2" from the 1 5/8" diameter of the Model A, and the engine was rated 50 hp at 2800 rpm instead of the previous 40 at 2250, this linear speed of the crankshaft was thus likely to exceed that which was considered "safe" for adequate lubrication using just gravity feed. At these rated speeds, the A crank linear speed is about 957 ft. per minute; the B is a touch over 1465 ft. per minute.

The above article by Phil Mino

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Pretty sure the block on that is an A block, it looks like the small oil fill. The head is a B or C (or aftermarket, like Broomfield) with an early V8 water pump adapter. Wheels look like 35s if 16"

correct,...guy i got it from said they were 32's and I said 32's had 18'' wheel if I remember... also,... the track seems wider than a model a .... so mabe a 32 axel??? or 34??? gotta go back to havasu to measure the spring to order a lowered one.... but I thing the wheels and tires will rub with the 600 -16 tire... we'll see...

 

[pwerwagn]

Hey I have one of those!

Mines a 29 Murray fordor. Was the last one restored by Pete Cosper, and has one of his "new evolution" or whatever he called them motors. Has "petes pistons" which I think are 283 gm pistons made to fit the model A, and a few other mods for reliability.

 

[rivermobster]

The Difference, Ford A,B & C Engines

'What are the differences in the Ford A, B and C engines?'

The 1932 V-8 was introduced as the 'Ford Model 18.' The four cylinder model was designated the 'Model B.' Although the V-8 was a national sensation and sold very well, there were many four cylinder Model B's produced. Compression of the Model B engine was 4.8; the A was 4.2. The Model B engine produced 50 hp at 2800 rpm; the A produced 40 hp at 2200 rpm. The Model 'B' mains were 2" diameter; mains in the 'A' were 1-5/8". 'B' rods were 1-7/8"; A rods were 1-1/2". The 'B' camshaft provided an increase in valve timing duration which contributed to the 50 hp at 2800 rpm. A diaphragm type fuel pump was mounted to the lower right side of the engine block. The water pump mounted with three bolts instead of four. The oil pump forced oil directly to the main bearings under mild pressure. Along with other valve chamber modifications, the oil return pipe was eliminated. Model 'C;' The 1933-34 Ford four cylinder engine has been unofficially dubbed the Model 'C.' This designation cannot be found in Ford literature or correspondence. It is strictly a user connotation. Changes from the 'B' to the 'C' engine included: a crank shaft employing integrally forged counterbalances, a shortened three bolt water water pump housing and a 39 pound flywheel compared to a 62-1/2 pound flywheel provided with the Model 'A.' (The counterbalances make up the difference.) There were 263,765 Model 'B' (and 'C') engines produced between March 9, 1932 and late 1934.

Ford produced the Model 'B' 4 cylinder engine from 1932 - 1934, concurrently with the V-8.

4.8:1 compression ratio...

Now I know why they could start those old engines by hand!

 

[monkeyswrench]

correct,...guy i got it from said they were 32's and I said 32's had 18'' wheel if I remember... also,... the track seems wider than a model a .... so mabe a 32 axel??? or 34??? gotta go back to havasu to measure the spring to order a lowered one.... but I thing the wheels and tires will rub with the 600 -16 tire... we'll see...

Yep, 32's had 18's, 33-34 had 17's. The track width may appear to be wider just because the wheel width maybe? 6.00's may get close to rubbing, but you may be ok with just a spring. A dropped axle and a spring won't work well.

It's a good looking car. The fordor's have some decent legroom for the back...front still a snug fit though.

 

[monkeyswrench]

4.8:1 compression ratio...

Now I know why they could start those old engines by hand!

3 main caps...and a model a crank shaft looks like a cartoon! Funny thing, a 7:1 four banger sounds pretty cool.

 

[bonesfab]

I have a 29 2-door sedan. Been in the family since 1973. All original and rough but runs and drives. I need to get it out for shop girl can learn to drive a stick with it. Cool find Steve.

 

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Yep, 32's had 18's, 33-34 had 17's. The track width may appear to be wider just because the wheel width maybe? 6.00's may get close to rubbing, but you may be ok with just a spring. A dropped axle and a spring won't work well.

It's a good looking car. The fordor's have some decent legroom for the back...front still a snug fit though.

first thing i did was move the front seat back 3''

I have a 29 2-door sedan. Been in the family since 1973. All original and rough but runs and drives. I need to get it out for shop girl can learn to drive a stick with it. Cool find Steve.

lets see it....

 

[bonesfab]

 

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got this off the internet" 1932 ford model "B" ute engine...note the small oil tube with the "C" looking head...????

 

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here's another one....1932 ford... probley an ozzie car.... but it's left hand drive and suicide doors?????

 

[sdpm]

My Dad had a 1929 coupe. I have some parts left over from it after he passed away. The engine looks the same. if it is, I have some oil and air filters, spark plugs, innertubes, and other misc parts if you could use them. His was all original except for the paint. It was a really awesome car. I wish I had it today. My kids loved riding in the rumble seat. I will see if I can find some pictures and try and figure out how to post them. Nice car Steve. I hope you enjoy it.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Nice little cruiser. What are you thinking about for the starting bid?

it stil has the 6 volt starter...

 

[monkeyswrench]

First pic I could find of a "B" oil fill...looks like a damn muffler

1932 1933 1934 model b bb ford oil filler tube pipe | eBay

Nice solid part.

www.ebay.com

 

[WTR&PWR]

Always wanted a model A. Keep me in the loop if anyone wants to let one of these go.

 

[Gelcoater]

Pretty cool project.

Who else thinks Mr & Mrs 2FF should go as Bonnie and Clyde for Halloween this year in that car?

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Steve I don't know how far you want to go with the V-8 deal, but H&H Flatheads has some very nice new pieces for the flatty these days.
They were working on a new block.
They ehave brand new 160cfm Stromberg 97's.
( I remember spending several weekends with my Dad going through carb cores trying to find rebuildable examples. Then, spending hourss cutting new gaskets because there were none to be had back in the 70s-80s
I am sitting on a lot of flathead stuff but it is promised to my younger son. He has the stroker flatty my Dad built in the 1980's. One day he wants to build an A model roadster pickup and drop it in.
Have fun, and please do a build thread on this one.

Home - H&H Flatheads

Welcome to H&H Flatheads the V8 Flathead Specialists! Old-time nostalgia, Modern Technology, and Durability. Flatheads Forever!

handhflatheads.com

 

[4Waters]

Steve I don't know how far you want to go with the V-8 deal, but H&H Flatheads has some very nice new pieces for the flatty these days.
They were working on a new block.
They ehave brand new 160cfm Stromberg 97's.
( I remember spending several weekends with my Dad going through carb cores trying to find rebuildable examples. Then, spending hourss cutting new gaskets because there were none to be had back in the 70s-80s
I am sitting on a lot of flathead stuff but it is promised to my younger son. He has the stroker flatty my Dad built in the 1980's. One day he wants to build an A model roadster pickup and drop it in.
Have fun, and please do a build thread on this one.

Home - H&H Flatheads

Welcome to H&H Flatheads the V8 Flathead Specialists! Old-time nostalgia, Modern Technology, and Durability. Flatheads Forever!

handhflatheads.com

They are the ones that freshened up my dad's motor

 

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First pic I could find of a "B" oil fill...looks like a damn muffler

1932 1933 1934 model b bb ford oil filler tube pipe | eBay

Nice solid part.

www.ebay.com

when I get back to havasu I need to run the engine numbers and see if it's a pre 32 motor... maybe they bored out the a motor and put the c head on it ?? pretty sure the oil fill will fit all years????... but it could be a equipment motor???? but it does have an oil pump motor with an oil pressure gauge, that and centrifugal advance distributor...

 

[monkeyswrench]

when I get back to havasu I need to run the engine numbers and see if it's a pre 32 motor... maybe they bored out the a motor and put the c head on it ?? pretty sure the oil fill will fit all years????... but it could be a equipment motor???? but it does have an oil pump motor with an oil pressure gauge, that and centrifugal advance distributor...

All kinds of options. Could be a B block with an A filler, an A block with a B crank...but hell, if it has full pressure oiling, it's pretty badass.

 

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anyone else grow up with this guy????

 

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All kinds of options. Could be a B block with an A filler, an A block with a B crank...but hell, if it has full pressure oiling, it's pretty badass.

one thing for sure is the motor isn't stock by any means... pulls pretty hard when the stromberg kicks in... maybe like 45 hp ....lol it has the down draft aluminum intake and I think its an early mallory dist... also it has the elect overdrive on the drive shaft,... not the 2 speed rearend...

the motor is a fresh rebuild, so who knows what they did...

 

[monkeyswrench]

one thing for sure is the motor isn't stock by any means... pulls pretty hard when the stromberg kicks in... maybe like 45 hp ....lol it has the down draft aluminum intake and I think its an early mallory dist... also it has the elect overdrive on the drive shaft,... not the 2 speed rearend...

the motor is a fresh rebuild, so who knows what they did...

Maybe a Mitchell overdrive? They kind of look like an aluminum box on the torque tube. There were some others, I've even seen a modified OD from a Ford 3spd put in...they had a weird planetary deal. I was thinking about the track width. If the rear is a bit wider, they could have put in a later axle. The earlies only had 3 spider gears, and the pinion was a keyed taper with no support.

There were some guys I used to deal with in Cali, "Forever Fours". Like the Model A Club guys meet Bonneville. Overhead conversions, sidedraft carbs and headers. One guy, Art, was in a wheelchair. He built an adapter to run a small Chrysler automatic overdrive. They did hill climbs and stuff. The motors are fun. Not cheap at all to build either if you do insert bearings and oiling systems. Truly a page from automotive history though.

 

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Maybe a Mitchell overdrive? They kind of look like an aluminum box on the torque tube. There were some others, I've even seen a modified OD from a Ford 3spd put in...they had a weird planetary deal. I was thinking about the track width. If the rear is a bit wider, they could have put in a later axle. The earlies only had 3 spider gears, and the pinion was a keyed taper with no support.

There were some guys I used to deal with in Cali, "Forever Fours". Like the Model A Club guys meet Bonneville. Overhead conversions, sidedraft carbs and headers. One guy, Art, was in a wheelchair. He built an adapter to run a small Chrysler automatic overdrive. They did hill climbs and stuff. The motors are fun. Not cheap at all to build either if you do insert bearings and oiling systems. Truly a page from automotive history though.

the over drive is about in the middle of the torque tube,.. I'll get more pics of stuff when I go tomorrow... the engine has an oil filter on the right side....and an oil pressure gauge in the car.... it's getting real interesting thats for sure... I wanna do reversed eye springs, the posie will lower the front 2'' I'b betting that they put latter 30's axels when the did the juice brakes... a 32-34 front spring is 2'' longer..

 

[Hypnautic]

We have a '30 four door--Briggs body.
Restored to original with exception of aluminum 4blade fan, Police head, 6volt alternator and Mitchell OD.
Will find a picture.
If your getting rid of any original parts--let me know

 

[Bigbore500r]

Cool car @2FORCEFULL!

 

[4Waters]

Maybe a Mitchell overdrive? They kind of look like an aluminum box on the torque tube. There were some others, I've even seen a modified OD from a Ford 3spd put in...they had a weird planetary deal. I was thinking about the track width. If the rear is a bit wider, they could have put in a later axle. The earlies only had 3 spider gears, and the pinion was a keyed taper with no support.

There were some guys I used to deal with in Cali, "Forever Fours". Like the Model A Club guys meet Bonneville. Overhead conversions, sidedraft carbs and headers. One guy, Art, was in a wheelchair. He built an adapter to run a small Chrysler automatic overdrive. They did hill climbs and stuff. The motors are fun. Not cheap at all to build either if you do insert bearings and oiling systems. Truly a page from automotive history though.

Borg Warner was the othe OD, we put a 5spd out of an S10 in my dads

 

[2FORCEFULL]

We have a '30 four door--Briggs body.
Restored to original with exception of aluminum 4blade fan, Police head, 6volt alternator and Mitchell OD.
Will find a picture.
If your getting rid of any original parts--let me know

where is the car???

 

[4Waters]

Since you already have an OD then I would look into a Mitchell synchronized transmission or put a 1939 transmission in it, they make adapters for that. I've done a few Mitchell's and 1 '39 trans, I liked the 39 as it is a stronger unit and still synchronized, the Mitchell is a modified A transmission that the gears are cut down to make room for the syncros thus loosing strength. For stockish power the Mitchell is fine.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Borg Warner was the othe OD, we put a 5spd out of an S10 in my dads

The T5 is the ticket for a banger or a flathead. It has a good gear spread, synchros and OD...makes an anemic 85hp flathead usable again. I used to pickup those boxes whenever I saw them at the wrecking yard. Have 2 left

 

[Hypnautic]

where is the car???

Car is now up in Medford, OR.
Prior to that is was touring in SoCal.
We are part of the OC Ford Model A Club of America