HEY-LAM , GOT A MODEL A*****

[4Waters]

The T5 is the ticket for a banger or a flathead. It has a good gear spread, synchros and OD...makes an anemic 85hp flathead usable again. I used to pickup those boxes whenever I saw them at the wrecking yard. Have 2 left

I got pretty good at putting those in, I did 6-7 of them

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Car is now up in Medford, OR.
Prior to that is was touring in SoCal.
We are part of the OC Ford Model A Club of America

pics ?

 

[2FORCEFULL]

kinda interesting if you don't know already....

 

[monkeyswrench]

I got pretty good at putting those in, I did 6-7 of them

Somewhere there is a cable shifted, column shift shoebox...that one was "fun". It felt weird, both to shift and to drive. Like a Vin Diesel movie meets Andy Griffith...grabbing gears, on the column. My personal ones just ended up being on the floor, cut off and bent early shifters.

 

[Hypnautic]

No good pics on my phone
Back of car when home was being built in OR.
We are the 2nd car in. Those are original and registered 1930 Ca plates on the front of car. We have both plates.

During restoration we found original color of car and repainted it back to original Chicle and Copra Drab with Straw wheels.

My Dad has owned this car since he was 17yo in 1964. Bought is for $75 with a rock tied up with rope that you dropped through the hole in the floor to use as a parking brake. Only request the seller had was "please dont make it a hot rod". I used to crawl through that same whole to play Lego's and Star Wars as a kid before we restored the car.

 

[Hypnautic]

Picture of Dad waiving-
He is the navigator when his friends races the speedster. This was in NorCal couple of years ago

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Picture of Dad waiving-
He is the navigator when his friends races the speedster. This was in NorCal couple of years ago

cool!!!

 

[old rigger]

View attachment 1213731

Nice!
I use to be in the 4 ever 4 club as well as the secrets of speed society. Had a '24 roadster, 26 touring, chopped '30 coupe, 28 Roadster pickup, 29 Tudor with a Cragar head, 30 Tudor, few more here and there. Fun cars. Like all the bangers, T's A's and B's.

Quickest was to see if you have a B is it will have a fuel pump boss on the right side of the block.

My old '30

my old '30.

 

[old rigger]

the over drive is about in the middle of the torque tube,.. I'll get more pics of stuff when I go tomorrow... the engine has an oil filter on the right side....and an oil pressure gauge in the car.... it's getting real interesting thats for sure... I wanna do reversed eye springs, the posie will lower the front 2'' I'b betting that they put latter 30's axels when the did the juice brakes... a 32-34 front spring is 2'' longer..

A model T rear spring on an A will lower the rear about 3 inches. In fact I have one in the garage you can have. Already massaged the leaf ends, all it needs is some paint.

 

[4Waters]

Nice!
I use to be in the 4 ever 4 club as well as the secrets of speed society. Had a '24 roadster, 26 touring, chopped '30 coupe, 28 Roadster pickup, 29 Tudor with a Cragar heard, 30 Tudor, few more here and there. Fun cars. Like all the bangers, T's A's and B's.

Quickest was to see if you have a B is it will have a fuel pump boss on the right side of the block.

My old '30

View attachment 1214203

my old '30.

The fuel pump boss, that was the thing I was forgetting

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Nice!
I use to be in the 4 ever 4 club as well as the secrets of speed society. Had a '24 roadster, 26 touring, chopped '30 coupe, 28 Roadster pickup, 29 Tudor with a Cragar heard, 30 Tudor, few more here and there. Fun cars. Like all the bangers, T's A's and B's.

Quickest was to see if you have a B is it will have a fuel pump boss on the right side of the block.

My old '30

View attachment 1214203

my old '30.

I'll find out tomorrow,.... what I think I have is an A motor that was hopped up a little...

 

[rivermobster]

No good pics on my phone
Back of car when home was being built in OR.
We are the 2nd car in. Those are original and registered 1930 Ca plates on the front of car. We have both plates.

During restoration we found original color of car and repainted it back to original Chicle and Copra Drab with Straw wheels.

My Dad has owned this car since he was 17yo in 1964. Bought is for $75 with a rock tied up with rope that you dropped through the hole in the floor to use as a parking brake. Only request the seller had was "please dont make it a hot rod". I used to crawl through that same whole to play Lego's and Star Wars as a kid before we restored the car.

Looks like a scene out of Peeky Blinders.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

well, found out I have a c motor.... (or B with a c head...}

 

[2FORCEFULL]

who can figure this out.... the engine number is B8731 us cars had stars first and last.... some british cars had numbers on the bell housing, not on motor, so they had to stamp the block after delivery to reg....

 

[2FORCEFULL]

lots of what seems to be performance parts...


electric overdrive..

mallory dist,

stromberg 2 barrel carb...

 

[4Waters]

lots of what seems to be performance parts...


electric overdrive..

View attachment 1214900


View attachment 1214901


mallory dist,
View attachment 1214902

stromberg 2 barrel carb...

View attachment 1214903

Never heard of that OD before, that's new to me. Vin is supposed to be stamped into the block, if that's not your vin then it's the vin from a previous car

 

[2FORCEFULL]

pic shows the fuel pump with some type oil pump set up ?????

F.P.O. intake....?????

 

[2FORCEFULL]

had the floor board out, but carpet is back in now...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

Never heard of that OD before, that's new to me. Vin is supposed to be stamped into the block, if that's not your vin then it's the vin from a previous car

the OD is cool, splits 1st-2nd, 2nd- 3rd and 3rd over drive


I think the B motor is out of a ute,... or british motor...

 

[old rigger]

well, found out I have a c motor.... (or B with a c head...}

The heads with the 'C' are just the standard heads on all 1932-4 engines. Slightly more compression than a stock A really, 4.6 compression compared to the A's 4.22.

the head to find as far as factory heads are the one's with the 'B' cast on top. 1931 Model A police head. Super rare, something like 5.22 compression.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

the motor number is not the number on the title , and the B motor started in 1932... in 1931 they started stamping the vin on the motor and frame,... but to see the frame number you have to take off the fender and lift the body.... also some where in the 1932 era they stamped the VIN on the bell housing.... and like said, ford us cars had stars on the VIN...

also,... ford never ground the VIN pad,... this could be a number for who ever built the MOtor????

 

[old rigger]

the OD is cool, splits 1st-2nd, 2nd- 3rd and 3rd over drive


I think the B motor is out of a ute,... or british motor...

I think the block is Canadian. If you look through the seemingly endless engine stamps on this site, a great site by the way, you'll find more stamping combos than thought possible. The Canadian blocks appear to be the best for for your block. To complicate things Ford built replacement blocks/engines up to WWII. My last T had a 1940 block in it.

Model A Ford Garage ~ Model A and B Ford Engine Serial (VIN) Numbers

www.fordgarage.com

 

[old rigger]

You exhaust manifold is Model A. A 'B' looks like this, much like the same flow as a T manifold.

 

[Wheeler]

the motor number is not the number on the title , and the B motor started in 1932... in 1931 they started stamping the vin on the motor and frame,... but to see the frame number you have to take off the fender and lift the body.... also some where in the 1932 era they stamped the VIN on the bell housing.... and like said, ford us cars had stars on the VIN...

also,... ford never ground the VIN pad,... this could be a number for who ever built the MOtor????

Listen to old rigger. he knows his shit.

 

[Community]

THINKING about making a pre war hot rod out of it....took for ever to find a nice 4 door.....it has juice brakes,... 35 ford 16''wire wheels,.. first thing is it's getting lowered..if the motor goes, I'll replace it with a 32 era flathead...... still 6 volt, but alternator and a few other up grades...

You heard of H & H for flat heads? They are in southern California.

 

[Community]

You heard of H & H for flat heads? They are in southern California.

My father did a 1932 flathead with a blower for Jim Farley. Ironically because Ford is in his blood his Grandfather was on the line that built that car at the factory it was built. Can't recall the magazine that had the article but the story of the family and car was pretty cool.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

The heads with the 'C' are just the standard heads on all 1932-4 engines. Slightly more compression than a stock A really, 4.6 compression compared to the A's 4.22.

the head to find as far as factory heads are the one's with the 'B' cast on top. 1931 Model A police head. Super rare, something like 5.22 compression.

I'm stoked that it a later model "B" block.... bigger bearings, internal balanced counter weight crank with lightened flywheel, but that was the era that milled the heads for more power.... so who know what I got at this point,.... who ever did this motor was after performace.... so who know what the compression is with out cc'n the heads....??????

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I think the block is Canadian. If you look through the seemingly endless engine stamps on this site, a great site by the way, you'll find more stamping combos than thought possible. The Canadian blocks appear to be the best for for your block. To complicate things Ford built replacement blocks/engines up to WWII. My last T had a 1940 block in it.

Model A Ford Garage ~ Model A and B Ford Engine Serial (VIN) Numbers

www.fordgarage.com

i think canada blocks have a C stamped,... also that web site is where I've been trying to find out where the motor started life

 

[monkeyswrench]

I'm stoked that it a later model "B" block.... bigger bearings, internal balanced counter weight crank with lightened flywheel, but that was the era that milled the heads for more power.... so who know what I got at this point,.... who ever did this motor was after performace.... so who know what the compression is with out cc'n the heads....??????

The stock combustion chamber on an A head is massive! Like measured in cups, not CC's. I think @old rigger is pretty much on the money for factory compression being somewhere around 4.2...thus the need for a 75lb flywheel. To mill a factory head to gain anything, you'd have to shave off a ton, and the castings didn't have enough deck thickness. I have seen heads welded up to fill the chambers, but most common was just a head. I cannot remember for the life of me what the compression psi was for a stocker. I'm thinking 75-85? It was low, miracle they ran

@old rigger , were the replacement blocks the "double diamonds"? Or was that something different?

 

[bonesfab]

Never heard of that OD before, that's new to me. Vin is supposed to be stamped into the block, if that's not your vin then it's the vin from a previous car

It’s a gear vendor. That’s what they use.

 

[warpt71]

View attachment 1214921

had the floor board out, but carpet is back in now...

View attachment 1214922

View attachment 1214923


View attachment 1214924


View attachment 1214925

That thing is cool as hell! I wanna go for a ride

 

[old rigger]

i think canada blocks have a C stamped,... also that web site is where I've been trying to find out where the motor started life

Yes the Canadian A blocks have numbers that start with the later C. But this is what the Model A engine site says about the B's...

"US and Canadian Model B and BB, and British (1932 only) Model AB, ABF, B, and BF serial numbers were stamped on an as-cast pad on the top of the flywheel housing, above the starter as shown in the pic below. The engine block pad was left unstamped and as-cast."

Also this...

"Model B 'engine' serial numbers started at 5,000,000 and increased sequentially. The assigned serial number was actually stamped on the (B-6395) flywheel housings of completed engines after they had passed run-in (run-off) tests and were released from the Engine Department for vehicle final assembly. The number pad above the block water inlet was left unstamped on US and Canadian built Model B engines."

So that might mean that if you don't have numbers on the flywheel cover, and your number on the block has no where near the amount of numbers in it the it needs, the B numbers started at 5,000,000, maybe its a Diamond block? Some of them were used as service engines. An old member in the 4E4 club found a Diamond block that was used as a generator.

I dunno, except I know I'm going to be re reading the info on the Model A engine site tonight...and I don't even have a banger anymore.

 

[old rigger]

I'm stoked that it a later model "B" block.... bigger bearings, internal balanced counter weight crank with lightened flywheel, but that was the era that milled the heads for more power.... so who know what I got at this point,.... who ever did this motor was after performace.... so who know what the compression is with out cc'n the heads....??????

The counter balanced cranks came in 33-34 engines, not '32s. I hope you do have one, you might be able to see the counter weights looking down the oil fill tube.

If you can find a copy of Jim Brierley's book, 'Four Bangers and Me' you might want to pick it up. Gotta be available somewhere. He was/is a great guy. I hope he's still around, haven't talked to him much after I bought his book. I didn't even have a banger any longer, had to have the book though.

 

[old rigger]

The stock combustion chamber on an A head is massive! Like measured in cups, not CC's. I think @old rigger is pretty much on the money for factory compression being somewhere around 4.2...thus the need for a 75lb flywheel. To mill a factory head to gain anything, you'd have to shave off a ton, and the castings didn't have enough deck thickness. I have seen heads welded up to fill the chambers, but most common was just a head. I cannot remember for the life of me what the compression psi was for a stocker. I'm thinking 75-85? It was low, miracle they ran

@old rigger , were the replacement blocks the "double diamonds"? Or was that something different?

I never had one of the elusive diamond blocks but I remember they were also used as service engines and left the factory with no numbers. This is what I was told back then.
The member in the 4E4 club that had one, I swear it was a Model A block, no fuel pump boss. Some of the old timers in the club, when I joined there were a few of original members still active that had formed the club in the mid 50s, said it was all bullshit searching for that block. They all drag raced original blocks with babbitt, Jim Brierley spun his to 6200 with babbitt bearings. They worried about oiling, manifolds and stuff like that.

I really don't know and I don't think the complete story about them is known. Some say they were outsourced and cast by non Ford foundries. Beats me.

 

[4Waters]

I never had one of the elusive diamond blocks but I remember they were also used as service engines and left the factory with no numbers. This is what I was told back then.
The member in the 4E4 club that had one, I swear it was a Model A block, no fuel pump boss. Some of the old timers in the club, when I joined there were a few of original members still active that had formed the club in the mid 50s, said it was all bullshit searching for that block. They all drag raced original blocks with babbitt, Jim Brierley spun his to 6200 with babbitt bearings. They worried about oiling, manifolds and stuff like that.

I really don't know and I don't think the complete story about them is known. Some say they were outsourced and cast by non Ford foundries. Beats me.

6200 on babbitts

 

[monkeyswrench]

I never had one of the elusive diamond blocks but I remember they were also used as service engines and left the factory with no numbers. This is what I was told back then.
The member in the 4E4 club that had one, I swear it was a Model A block, no fuel pump boss. Some of the old timers in the club, when I joined there were a few of original members still active that had formed the club in the mid 50s, said it was all bullshit searching for that block. They all drag raced original blocks with babbitt, Jim Brierley spun his to 6200 with babbitt bearings. They worried about oiling, manifolds and stuff like that.

I really don't know and I don't think the complete story about them is not known. Some say they were outsourced and cast by non Ford foundries. Beats me.

Working for Looney, I actually saw two of them. He had a stack of A blocks, and I helped an engine builder go through all of them. We found those two, and he wanted them. I can't remember his name...old timer...want to say Adolf? He told me they were later replacement blocks, less core shift in the castings and such.

 

[monkeyswrench]

6200 on babbitts

That doesn't scare me....6200rpm 200+ cubic inch 4 cylinder with 8" rods...that scares me

 

[old rigger]

6200 on babbitts

That doesn't scare me....6200rpm 200+ cubic inch 4 cylinder with 8" rods...that scares me

Yes, these guys didn't mess around. One member, damn I can't remember his name right now, ran a front engine dragster named Midnite Oil and was national champ back in '59 if I remember right. Brierley was part of the team. Can't remember his speed and times but it was pretty good for the era. I think Hot rod did a feature on the car? I actually have, somewhere, copies of all their home movies. Was working on a doc about the club and things went sideways so the project went in the shitter.
Another member's dad owned some kind of orchard, lemons or avocados maybe, and they would set up a dirt track complete with a jump and race their daily drivers, all model A's, for fun. They had their own lights and would put on their own meets at elmo or the LA river bed. They also ran the first Model T hill climb in Long Beach on Shell hill because they supplied those lights. I also have the home movies of those event.
I was decades younger then all the other members but it was so much damn fun being at the beginning of that learning curve, just listening to those guys. Legends all of them in that little world. I was pretty lucky because I had done the same thing when I was a kid and hung out with the car club dad was in starting around '67.Not to mention all the boat history I was around, fucking great times.

 

[old rigger]

Actually dad lit that Model A bug when I was pretty young, just took me a few years to get around to messing with them.

Downey Ca, 1959. hahaha

 

[2FORCEFULL]

anyone know anything about this oil pump/filter set up???

 

[4Waters]

anyone know anything about this oil pump/filter set up???

I think it's just an oil filter adapter

 

[gottaminute?]

anyone know anything about this oil pump/filter set up???

cant add a whole lot but i would venture to guess that the thumbscrew and jam nut would be to adjust a ball and spring to set oil pressure bypass point.

 

[monkeyswrench]

anyone know anything about this oil pump/filter set up???

The pump is still cam driven. The old school way was to drill a relief port in the housing, and block the stock return galley. Your setup looks to be running the pressure feed out to the filter, then to the valve cover. The wing nut deal is a regulator of sorts. Instead of running the bleed off to the pan, it feeds the cam gear. Factory it would have had a bakelite gear, but a lot of guys switch out to aluminum. The stock one is quiet, but wears, making timing goofy. The aluminum ones were a bit noisier, but with direct oiling it can fix that. Probably also means they machined the crank for a neoprene seal on the snout. The stock setup would have leaked like a stuck pig.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

I think it's just an oil filter adapter

stock motors have a fuel pump there for the 32's, model A's were gravity feed fuel... the pump runs off the cam and stock never had a filter...

the story with the car is the owner passed away, he was a member of the ventura model A club, when he passed the kids didn't want the car so they sold it... the guy I bought it from didn't know it was a "B" motor,...

But here's what I think, anyone that would spend the money to do the add on oil pump filter, the stromberg carb and manifold, aand the electric over drive,... must have done the internals ... maybe performance cam and such... I was thinking of reaching out to the members of the model A club in ventura , pretty sure they woulld know of the car...

I'm gonnna drop the pan and look in there to see how fresh the build is... but when you drop the pan in the car..... the oil pump falls out so there is a tool... (bolt that you install to hold the pump in]... but it goes where the filter line is.... so probley need to reserch it a little more before I go messing with it..

 

[4Waters]

stock motors have a fuel pump there for the 32's, model A's were gravity feed fuel... the pump runs off the cam and stock never had a filter...

the story with the car is the owner passed away, he was a member of the ventura model A club, when he passed the kids didn't want the car so they sold it... the guy I bought it from didn't know it was a "B" motor,...

But here's what I think, anyone that would spend the money to do the add on oil pump filter, the stromberg carb and manifold, aand the electric over drive,... must have done the internals ... maybe performance cam and such... I was thinking of reaching out to the members of the model A club in ventura , pretty sure they woulld know of the car...

I'm gonnna drop the pan and look in there to see how fresh the build is... but when you drop the pan in the car..... the oil pump falls out so there is a tool... (bolt that you install to hold the pump in]... but it goes where the filter line is.... so probley need to reserch it a little more before I go messing with it..

That car looked familiar to me and the Ventura A's is why, I just can't place the owner. If you can get that owners name I might be able to get you some info on the car.

 

[2FORCEFULL]

here's a model b oil pan,...

and here's a model A, major differance...

 

[2FORCEFULL]

That car looked familiar to me and the Ventura A's is why, I just can't place the owner. If you can get that owners name I might be able to get you some info on the car.

dennis Vaglica

 

[2FORCEFULL]

heres a stock model B motor...

 

[4Waters]

dennis Vaglica

Let me see what I can do

 

[2FORCEFULL]

here's where I'm at with this model A hotrod survivor, wanna leave it as is, and change out the springs to reverse eye 2'' lower.... the rest is just knowing what I got... compared to other modelA's i've owned this one has a lot more power.... runs with traffic no problem , cruises 45 zones with out getting in the way,... the over drive gear splitter makes it easy.... the juice brakes stop it with ease.....
the oil filter looks to be a kit..... but I can't find it anywhere so far..... probley have to join up on a model A forum so I can post pics and ask questions...


and thanks a million to those who have responded to this thread.....