Employer requiring the jab...

[Uncle Dave]

Like I said they walked back a shitload of deaths due to covid and the pcr test that has been used for testing gives false positives!

And if I did take the time you would just call it misinformation and I have posted it on other threads on here. Point being there is treatment all those people didn't have to die per your own cdc 78% also in the American medical journal I posted that also months ago, affective if treated early go look for yourself.

There are false positive, false negatives and sick peeps that didnt test.

Saying you won't come up with anything comprehensive because I'll just question your source allows you to say pretty much anything with absolutely nothing behind it.

I'm always open to looking at data.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Per the lib bible.
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lets say we trust cnn - Thats pretty much what I first said - about 1% that get it die.

 

[Andy B.]

There are false positive, false negatives and sick peeps that didnt test.

Saying you won't come up with anything comprehensive because I'll just question your source allows you to say pretty much anything with absolutely nothing behind it.

I'm always open to looking at data.

No you're not you didn't look at the AMJ website did you or the cdc where they posted about the effectiveness of early treatment.

 

[Uncle Dave]

No you're not you didn't look at the AMJ website did you or the cdc where they posted about the effectiveness of early treatment.

Happy too

last I looked at AMJ and CDC they were both really close to John Hopkins.

about 10% of US infected, about 1% die - mostly over 50.

If anyone has the links lets go look. I can probably scrounge them but need some time

sep note - Im on genset power here - so far so good my central AC works.

 

[Andy B.]

Happy too

last I looked at AMJ and CDC it was really close to John Hopkins.

If anyone has the links lets go look.

I posted the link for the AMJ months ago ill look for the thread my wife is yelling at me and she's naked soooo... I'll look tomorrow have a good night.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Not sure where wiki pulls its data but here are the top line numbers

Almost exactly in line with John Hopkins.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I posted the link for the AMJ months ago ill look for the thread my wife is yelling at me and she's naked soooo... I'll look tomorrow have a good night.

Totally open to it - Id be all over the naked wife (If I were you)

 

[C-2]

My fake card has already worked twice, once at an outdoor music venue and once at a bio lab research facility that required the shot. Federal database? lol. Those morons can't even keep the voter roles up to date!

I'm sure it did work in the same way a fake ID works, too.

But we're talking about as a requirement for employment.

I didn't say anything about a Federal database. It's State, the database is up and running and the verification takes about a minute or less.

My post was meant as a heads-up. If you think a card, legit or fake, will suffice, then go for it, makes no difference to me.

 

[Riley1]

We need people fighting against it. Not dancing around it with fake cards. We don’t win the WAR with fake cards. We win the WAR (and it is a war) when we ALL say F U. A fake card is like a second fence. IMHO

 

[HotRod82]

But we're talking about as a requirement for employment.

I didn't say anything about a Federal database. It's State, the database is up and running and the verification takes about a minute or less.

My post was meant as a heads-up. If you think a card, legit or fake, will suffice, then go for it, makes no difference to me.
[/QUOTE]

I get what your saying.....I will say that if I had an employer forcing their will on me, I would go get the jab, then say I don't feel well and go on unemployment for as long as possible.

 

[regor]

We need people fighting against it. Not dancing around it with fake cards. We don’t win the WAR with fake cards. We win the WAR (and it is a war) when we ALL say F U. A fake card is like a second fence. IMHO

That is the way Riley!!!

Be ungovernable!!!

 

[highvoltagehands]

Cool story. Neighbors 26yr old son got the jab and had cardiac arrest 23 days later and died. No previous cardiac issues. Never! Guess you would just chalk it up as a side effect of the “tested and proven”.

Bummer CC. I’m not going to chalk it up to anything because I don’t know his situation and i feel for you. We all know nothing is perfect, but there are also millions that aren’t getting sick or dying because they’ve been Vaxxed.

 

[pronstar]

Cool story. Neighbors 26yr old son got the jab and had cardiac arrest 23 days later and died. No previous cardiac issues. Never! Guess you would just chalk it up as a side effect of the “tested and proven”.

This won’t count against the vaccines…”not enough data”

But if he had COVID and was hit by a car as he was crossing the street, that would absolutely be counted as a COVID deaths.

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[Andy B.]

Totally open to it - Id be all over the naked wife (If I were you)
[/QUOTE

My wife has been reading up on this here you go:

Dr. Richard Fleming (he's got some great videos on his website too)

https://www.flemingmethod.com/best-available-published-evidence

America's Frontline Doctors (scroll to the bottom where it says COVID-19 Treatment Availability )
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/

Nurse Blows the Whistle on the Medical Industry: ‘They’re Not Offering Informed Consent’

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nurse...dium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-07-09-2

All these doctors, nurses, etc are being censored by your government and main stream media and that's not misinformation LOL! There are so many more doctors and scientists out there trying to share the same info. There is so much more we could share but you get the idea, have a great day sir i'm heading to the lake.

Bottom line is nothing is going to change until we get rid of these assholes that are in congress, including all the worthless republicans. The two party system doesn't work we need representative's that are for the American Tax Payer not this politically correct, help everyone else, hurt feelings bullshit!!!!!

 

[Uncle Dave]

Internets down here, so I'm using cell, but I looked at these links just a bit.

These support the position that effective treatment is being withheld. This is debatable but I support your position here.
I believe you should be able to receive whatever treatment you'd like. If poeple want to bleed each other with leaches - fine go for it.

Treatment doesn't lower the Rfactor - by the time an individual seeks treatment who knows how many other people they have infected?
Asymptomatic people are unlikely to seek treated at all and run around spreading the virus unknowingly.

 

[traquer]

All these numbers are good and well, but how many of the people that get very sick or die from covid are healthy people?

I think the biggest biggest takeaway from covid for me is that we've gotten lazy and complacent with our health (oh it's just some cholesterol medicine, oh I'm only a little fat, oh diabetes isn't that bad since we have insulin in, oh I sit on my ass all day at work and don't exercise but I feel good still) and we've let our health go down the tubes.

If it's not covid, it's going to be something else down the line. Get your shit in check! We take such good care of our cars and boats but they're replaceable. Why don't we take as much care about our bodies? We only get one

 

[just_floatin]

Can't remember who posted it but look at us arguing with each other, that's exactly what they (democrats) want! Meanwhile they're passing legislation right under our noses distract, distract, distract!
And yes those fucking Republicans are in on it or letting it happen I don't know what's worse.
Take care I wish no ill will on anyone...

Bingo Andy. One would be imprudent to think otherwise.

 

[regor]

Treatment doesn't lower the Rfactor - by the time an individual seeks treatment who knows how many other people they have infected?
Asymptomatic people are unlikely to seek treated at all and run around spreading the virus unknowingly.

Would this be the people that our government is allowing to cross the border illegally without any requirement of vaccination status or whether they are currently asymptomatic?

You know, the same government that wants to go door to door to determine American citizen's vaccination status?

Why should I give a shit about ANYONE who's parroting their vaccination cries.......................when they continually undermine the situation Dave?

 

[Uncle Dave]

Would this be the people that our government is allowing to cross the border illegally without any requirement of vaccination status or whether they are currently asymptomatic?

You know, the same government that wants to go door to door to determine American citizen's vaccination status?

Why should I give a shit about ANYONE who's parroting their vaccination cries.......................when they continually undermine the situation Dave?

I dont support our current regime position on immigration and you guys all know that.
We cant pull off a census so I have no faith in any door to door program which is redundant anyway as there is already a national registration for vaccination.

Your statement brings up an interesting question - Should our immigration policy force vaccination on them when we/ they dont force it on the population in general?
I'd be curious to hear peoples thoughts on that.


Vaccination should never have been politicized as its really about us vs any presidents or regimes lone policies.

I see little sense in pushing back on something that can protect us all because of who is in office at the moment.

I dont give a shit about "them" I care about about all of us.

 

[regor]

I dont support our current regime position on immigration and you guys all know that.
We cant pull off a census so I have no faith in any door to door program which is redundant anyway as there is already a national registration for vaccination.

Your statement brings up an interesting question - Should our immigration policy force vaccination on them when we/ they dont force it on the population in general?
I'd be curious to hear peoples thoughts on that.


Vaccination should never have been politicized as its really about us vs any presidents or regimes lone policies.

I see little sense in pushing back on something that can protect us all because of who is in office at the moment.

I dont give a shit about "them" I care about about all of us.

But does it not make you suspect of government's intentions when they are at the point of forcing vaccines on American citizens to function in society, all the while exacerbating the problem?

You see, they can't expect Americans who actually have the ability to think for themselves to take them seriously, ESPECIALLY about vaccines that have not gone through the proper trails, to give a rat's ass about their concerns, when they are not truly concerned about alleviating the problem.

 

[Uncle Dave]

But does it not make you suspect of government's intentions when they are at the point of forcing vaccines on American citizens to function in society, all the while exacerbating the problem?

You see, they can't expect Americans who actually have the ability to think for themselves to take them seriously, ESPECIALLY about vaccines that have not gone through the proper trails, to give a rat's ass about their concerns, when they are not truly concerned about alleviating the problem.

Many of the same people oppose vaccination "because of testing" also insist FAR less tested treatment should be made available.
I'm for allowing all theoretical treatment as I said before but the hypocrisy on this point is flat out amusing.

I think there is grave danger in supporting or detraction vaccination because of political agendas.
When politicized the subject morphs to whats best for us as a whole, vs. what " they" tell us.
I dont really put much faith in either political regime and they are all short timers anyway.

I focus more on the medical community and science from trusted entities than anything parroted by politicians. Its difficult to weed through, but its there.

In terms of trials at this stage there is an extremely large number of not only companies and governments and evidence they are at least as safe as prior vaccinations
The amount of compute power and manpower available to analyze and solve the covid vaccination problem is unprecedented in history.
At this stage these are some of the most tested medicines available, and the experiental / untested/ view simply doesnt hold water numerically and the stats show it.

One strategy uses 70's tech and was available first. (sputnik- J&J ) do we believe the Russians are out to destroy their own people and economy?
One strategy uses 21st century tech.

There is risk either way and I think the systems is biased to minimize risk, that but by and large the various government and more so private entities and the medical community have this right.

If you really believe the government is out to extinguish the population dont take it, but if you are wrong you should still understand the risks in potentially killing not only yourself but your loved family members and others.

 

[Crickets]

Easiest way around it is to quit.

Or fucking man up and get the jab. I’m afraid of needles too but I don’t want to be the one who brings this shit home to my family.

 

[Uncle Dave]

All these numbers are good and well, but how many of the people that get very sick or die from covid are healthy people?

I think the biggest biggest takeaway from covid for me is that we've gotten lazy and complacent with our health (oh it's just some cholesterol medicine, oh I'm only a little fat, oh diabetes isn't that bad since we have insulin in, oh I sit on my ass all day at work and don't exercise but I feel good still) and we've let our health go down the tubes.

If it's not covid, it's going to be something else down the line. Get your shit in check! We take such good care of our cars and boats but they're replaceable. Why don't we take as much care about our bodies? We only get one

Yup Most of us are overweight and out of shape - fixing that has tremendous benefits beyond covid.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

We’re not firing anybody for not getting a shot. We are letting people go because they don’t fit in.
Not getting a shot, alerted management to look deeper into an employees work behavior.

 

[regor]

Many of the same people oppose vaccination "because of testing" also insist FAR less tested treatment should be made available.
I'm for allowing all theoretical treatment as I said before but the hypocrisy on this point is flat out amusing.

Like Hydroxy and Ivermectin or something else?

I think there is grave danger in supporting or detraction vaccination because of political agendas.
When politicized the subject morphs to whats best for us as a whole, vs. what " they" tell us.
I dont really put much faith in either political regime and they are all short timers anyway.

Nor do I put faith in either side and I'm not politicizing anything. I'll ask again and until you can answer this with something that makes sense, your concern more me and others carries no water, since the agency that you're trumpeting for CONTINUES to exacerbate the problem.

Why would you expect Americans who actually have the ability to think for themselves to take them seriously, ESPECIALLY about vaccines that have not gone through the proper trails, to give a rat's ass about their concerns, when they are not truly concerned about alleviating the problem?

I focus more on the medical community and science from trusted entities than anything parroted by politicians. Its difficult to weed through, but its there.

Like WHO or the CDC or Lancet or someone else?

In terms of trials at this stage there is an extremely large number of not only companies and governments and evidence they are at least as safe as prior vaccinations

You can't be serious right?

There is risk either way and I think the systems is biased to minimize risk, that but by and large the various government and more so private entities and the medical community have this right.

And a very large portion of them refuse to take the vaccine and are silenced when discussing alternative treatments that have been PROVEN to be successful.

If you really believe the government is out to extinguish the population dont take it, but if you are wrong you should still understand the risks in potentially killing not only yourself but your loved family members and others.

And there it is, freedom with a side of shame........................

 

[regor]

We’re not firing anybody for not getting a shot. We are letting people go because they don’t fit in.
Not getting a shot, alerted management to look deeper into an employees work behavior.

Trump supporters...........................fire them!!!!!!

 

[Racey]

Many of the same people oppose vaccination "because of testing" also insist FAR less tested treatment should be made available.
I'm for allowing all theoretical treatment as I said before but the hypocrisy on this point is flat out amusing.

If you are referring to HCQ or Ivermectin they have a combined testing history of probably close to 150 years....

 

[regor]

If you are referring to HCQ or Ivermectin they have a combined testing history of probably close to 150 years....

Yea, I waiting on that one.

 

[DMF]

We’re not firing anybody for not getting a shot. We are letting people go because they don’t fit in.
Not getting a shot, alerted management to look deeper into an employees work behavior.

Are you fucking serious? If a person doesn't want the shot, then management thinks their work ethic sucks? Shame on management and you for backing this mentality!!!!

 

[regor]

Are you fucking serious? If a person doesn't want the shot, then management thinks their work ethic sucks? Shame on management and you for backing this mentality!!!!

CD has a bad case of TDS and we need to mandate the vaccine......................

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

Trump supporters...........................fire them!!!!!!

were trying to identify potential future workplace shooters.

 

[Uncle Dave]

If you are referring to HCQ or Ivermectin they have a combined testing history of probably close to 150 years....

Tested against Covid specifically ?

Or used for other treatment?

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

CD has a bad case of TDS and we need to mandate the vaccine......................

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Where’s the Pot? Where’s the alcohol? Where’s the steroids?

 

[regor]

Tested against Covid specifically ?

Or used for other treatment?

 

[Uncle Dave]

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Right..... because I dont really care if neither has high efficacy agains the disease I'm trying to treat, but work on hemorrhoids.

Streoids is a treatment, vitamin D helps, lots of things probably help, but what is their efficacy against the disease as a prevention mechanism or treatment?

As I said prior I think people that want it should be able to get it.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Like Hydroxy and Ivermectin or something else?



Nor do I put faith in either side and I'm not politicizing anything. I'll ask again and until you can answer this with something that makes sense, your concern more me and others carries no water, since the agency that you're trumpeting for CONTINUES to exacerbate the problem.

Why would you expect Americans who actually have the ability to think for themselves to take them seriously, ESPECIALLY about vaccines that have not gone through the proper trails, to give a rat's ass about their concerns, when they are not truly concerned about alleviating the problem?

Like WHO or the CDC or Lancet or someone else?

You can't be serious right?

And a very large portion of them refuse to take the vaccine and are silenced when discussing alternative treatments that have been PROVEN to be successful.

And there it is, freedom with a side of shame........................

HQC Ivermectin and anything else not tested by some 3rd party for efficacy agains the disease Im trying to treat.

What agency am I " trumpeting" for? Im confused by this.

I expect American to make their own decision on the matter, but Im not sold on politicized solutions from tiny groups with their own agendas.

I more trust more the larger companies and hospital chains than the government entities, but ut interesting the Russia and China beleiev enough in a vaxed solution to do it vs trust an existing pallet of potential cures (hqc/ ivermectin )

Data is an interesting thing two poeple can look at the same set of numbers and come to different conclusions.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Are you fucking serious? If a person doesn't want the shot, then management thinks their work ethic sucks? Shame on management and you for backing this mentality!!!!

Some of my very best employees dont want it and Im going to do everything I can to keep from forcing it - even though I got it myself

Because thats how America is supposed to work.

 

[regor]

Right..... because I dont really care if neither has high efficacy agains the disease I'm trying to treat, but work on hemorrhoids.

Streoids is a treatment, vitamin D helps, lots of things probably help, but what is their efficacy against the disease as a prevention mechanism or treatment?

As I said prior I think people that want it should be able to get it.

I think where Racey and I lost you at was the interpretation of your statement.........

"Many of the same people oppose vaccination "because of testing" also insist FAR less tested treatment should be made available."

Hydroxy and Ivermectin have been not only tested, but used for a very long time. Regardless of the ailment, they've been proven to be safe and in the case of Covid, effective.

Again, the demonization of these drugs was pure propaganda and yet ANOTHER reason to tell the government to fuck off. If you want the vaccine like you said, you're entitled to get it, but if I don't ESPECIALLY with all the bullshit being spewed by governments, pharmaceuticals and medical professionals that can CLEARLY be contradicted, I reserve the same right as you in deciding to not get it.....................without the bullshit shaming.

As far as trumpeting, ANYONE pushing for OR telling others to get the vaccination to save others in the population are simply either government or pharma mouthpieces or ill-informed in my book. There are a SHITLOAD of contradicting studies out there and again, until you can give me a reason why I should subject myself or my loved ones to a vaccine that the government and the pharmaceutical companies have absolutely zero liability for AND who continue to exacerbate the problem, it carries no water.


Can we talk about the children's vaccination push? What's your feeling there with all the data out so far? You feel they should get it also for the greater good of humanity?

 

[DWC]

Some of my very best employees dont want it and Im going to do everything I can to keep from forcing it - even though I got it myself

Because thats how America is supposed to work.

What would force an employer to make everyone get it?

 

[HBCraig]

Look at the "division" the Govt has created with this? Wake up guys, Even here in our own little slice of cyberspace, you can see the outcome that they want! They want to divide us!

My Barber sells authentic Vaccination cards for $50. Done Deal. Those things are so easy to forge that its not worth us arguing!

Where is this barber? You know, I want to get one for fun.

 

[Uncle Dave]

What would force an employer to make everyone get it?

The state that allows you to operate.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I think where Racey and I lost you at was the interpretation of your statement.........

"Many of the same people oppose vaccination "because of testing" also insist FAR less tested treatment should be made available."

Hydroxy and Ivermectin have been not only tested, but used for a very long time. Regardless of the ailment, they've been proven to be safe and in the case of Covid, effective.

Again, the demonization of these drugs was pure propaganda and yet ANOTHER reason to tell the government to fuck off. If you want the vaccine like you said, you're entitled to get it, but if I don't ESPECIALLY with all the bullshit being spewed by governments, pharmaceuticals and medical professionals that can CLEARLY be contradicted, I reserve the same right as you in deciding to not get it.....................without the bullshit shaming.

As far as trumpeting, ANYONE pushing for OR telling others to get the vaccination to save others in the population are simply either government or pharma mouthpieces or ill-informed in my book. There are a SHITLOAD of contradicting studies out there and again, until you can give me a reason why I should subject myself or my loved ones to a vaccine that the government and the pharmaceutical companies have absolutely zero liability for AND who continue to exacerbate the problem, it carries no water.


Can we talk about the children's vaccination push? What's your feeling there with all the data out so far? You feel they should get it also for the greater good of humanity?

Penicillin has been around a long time too. Its also safe, but whats its efficacy against Covid? same question with other treatments.
They probably do help in many cases, but whats their actual efficacy agaims the disease you are trying to treat?

I trust the government less than almost everyone here, but I do trust American ingenuity and tech.

This whole thing was hugely fucked up and I understand the distrust.
At some point there are statistic that are actionable, and generally trustworthy

Kids are a tough one, no doubt they won't suffer much, but what about what happens when grandma picks it up from Sally?
Like the disease It appears the vax side effects are also low in kids.

On kids I haven't studied a lot - assuming I don't see something that sticks out -this is how Id look at it.

If the kids aren't vacated Id forgo visits to your grandparents without testing.
In an environment where the family unit lives together or often mingle if it were my kids Id probably lean toward Vaxing,
If they visit twice a year Id test.

 

[regor]

Penicillin has been around a long time too. Its also safe, but whats its efficacy against Covid? same question with other treatments.
They probably do help in many cases, but whats their actual efficacy agaims the disease you are trying to treat?

Have you heard any news out of India lately? How come we never heard anything about Africa being a Covid hellhole with the hellish healthcare system they have?

I trust the government less than almost everyone here, but I do trust American ingenuity and tech.

This whole thing was hugely fucked up and I understand the distrust.
At some point there are statistic that are actionable, and generally trustworthy

Kids are a tough one, no doubt they won't suffer much, but what about what happens when grandma picks it up from Sally?
Like the disease It appears the vax side effects are also low in kids.

On kids I haven't studied a lot - assuming I don't see something that sticks out -this is how Id look at it.

If the kids aren't vacated Id forgo visits to your grandparents without testing.
In an environment where the family unit lives together or often mingle if it were my kids Id probably lean toward Vaxing,
If they visit twice a year Id test.

Kids should NEVER get the vaccine, EVER.

The risks far outweigh the benefits, which are nil at best.

A new study out of England quantifies just how tiny the risk of death from coronavirus is for children. Two in a million — that is the number of children under the age of 18 killed by coronavirus in England over 12 months according to the study by scientists at University College London, and the Universities of York, Bristol, and Liverpool.


A report at the BBC regarding the study also notes that, of the total of 25 children the study found to have died from coronavirus, “[a]round 15 had life-limiting or underlying conditions, including 13 living with complex neuro-disabilities.” The BBC report further notes that the study found a relatively small number of children experienced severe illness from coronavirus, with only about 250 children in all of England having been placed in intensive care related to coronavirus.


The study results confirm, and put some numbers to, what was known since the early days of governments across the world placing extreme restrictions on children in the name of countering coronavirus: Coronavirus poses nearly zero risk of death or serious injury for children. Indeed, the risks are quite minimal for healthy non-elderly individuals as well.



The chances of children dying from coronavirus are so low that vaccines would need to be proven to be “very low risk” before they were given jabs, according to child health experts. Their warning follows research that shows only 25 children and young people in England died from COVID-19 during the first year of the pandemic – just 0.005% of those who were infected with the virus.

Nineteen of the deaths were in children with an underlying health condition, with complex neurodisability accounting for 13 of them, according to results from three studies conducted by academics from universities around the country.



Dr Elizabeth Whittaker, one of the researchers and a consultant in paediatric infectious diseases at Imperial College London, said: “This data would suggest you have to have a very low risk of the vaccine to justify giving it to all healthy children.”

 

[GRADS]

Or fucking man up and get the jab. I’m afraid of needles too but I don’t want to be the one who brings this shit home to my family.

Yep! 100%

 

[regor]

Yep! 100%

Your's and every other liberal's heros in the White House are bringing this shit to our home.....................

Bunch of motherfucking imbeciles I tell ya.

 

[DMF]

Or fucking man up and get the jab. I’m afraid of needles too but I don’t want to be the one who brings this shit home to my family.

Hahahaha.....how about fucking man up and live your own life with the choices you see fit for yourself and your family. Who the fuck are you or anyone else to tell me and my family what is best for us?

 

[Uncle Dave]

Have you heard any news out of India lately? How come we never heard anything about Africa being a Covid hellhole with the hellish healthcare system they have?




Kids should NEVER get the vaccine, EVER.

The risks far outweigh the benefits, which are nil at best.

A new study out of England quantifies just how tiny the risk of death from coronavirus is for children. Two in a million — that is the number of children under the age of 18 killed by coronavirus in England over 12 months according to the study by scientists at University College London, and the Universities of York, Bristol, and Liverpool.


A report at the BBC regarding the study also notes that, of the total of 25 children the study found to have died from coronavirus, “[a]round 15 had life-limiting or underlying conditions, including 13 living with complex neuro-disabilities.” The BBC report further notes that the study found a relatively small number of children experienced severe illness from coronavirus, with only about 250 children in all of England having been placed in intensive care related to coronavirus.


The study results confirm, and put some numbers to, what was known since the early days of governments across the world placing extreme restrictions on children in the name of countering coronavirus: Coronavirus poses nearly zero risk of death or serious injury for children. Indeed, the risks are quite minimal for healthy non-elderly individuals as well.


The chances of children dying from coronavirus are so low that vaccines would need to be proven to be “very low risk” before they were given jabs, according to child health experts. Their warning follows research that shows only 25 children and young people in England died from COVID-19 during the first year of the pandemic – just 0.005% of those who were infected with the virus.

Nineteen of the deaths were in children with an underlying health condition, with complex neurodisability accounting for 13 of them, according to results from three studies conducted by academics from universities around the country.


Dr Elizabeth Whittaker, one of the researchers and a consultant in paediatric infectious diseases at Imperial College London, said: “This data would suggest you have to have a very low risk of the vaccine to justify giving it to all healthy children.”

Good link.

Also from that report

Lead researcher Prof Russell Viner said complex decisions around vaccinating and shielding children required input from many sources - not their work alone.
But he said if there were adequate vaccines, their research suggested certain groups of children could benefit from receiving Covid jabs.

when you said " kids" I was differentiating school age kids vs toddler. I see no reason at all a kid that lives at home should get it. (at least from what I know today)

 

[regor]

Good link.

Also from that report

Lead researcher Prof Russell Viner said complex decisions around vaccinating and shielding children required input from many sources - not their work alone.
But he said if there were adequate vaccines, their research suggested certain groups of children could benefit from receiving Covid jabs.

when you said " kids" I was differentiating school age kids vs toddler. I see no reason at all a kid that lives at home should get it. (at least from what I know today)

I would say anyone under 50 that is healthy. The data supports nothing else expect for the saving grandma cries.

Here's the brutal truth in regards to kids and vaccinations. You want to put people who are just starting their lives at risk........................for the remote and I mean remote possibility of saving someone who has already lived theirs?

 

[RACER J]

We’re not firing anybody for not getting a shot. We are letting people go because they don’t fit in.
Not getting a shot, alerted management to look deeper into an employees work behavior.

Sounds like a company with for shit morals that I wouldn’t want to work for anyways. Anyone that is forced to take the jab for the sake of keeping a job isn’t gonna be worth a shit employee and do minimal work out of spite.
I’m an employer and would never ask my employees about a shot or any other health related matters.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I would say anyone under 50 that is healthy. The data supports nothing else expect for the saving grandma cries.

Here's the brutal truth in regards to kids and vaccinations. You want to put people who are just starting their lives at risk........................for the remote and I mean remote possibility of saving someone who has already lived theirs?

I dont want to put anyones health at risk.

I want to watch and see what any test data might say about as to whats risker, but it seems clear "kids" are at much less risk from any covid side effects.