Employer requiring the jab...

[Uncle Dave]

GRAPHENE OXIDE........

where? in what?

 

[Activated]

I fully realize most of RDP are anti vaxxers,

Nope, just anti China virus Vaxxers.

I will be getting my shingles shot this year but not the China virus shot.

 

[sintax]

Probably should have said 80/20 anti. Enough to where its the vast majority.

I totally get it, i detest the government (all of em) and poeple telling me what to do.

You are aware that the J&J is 40 year old tech right? I also get the testing thing.
At some point after so many millions we can get a good idea of its safety.

Everyone gambles the VAX vs covid. You take a risk either way.

Im unaware of any recourse for any VAX regardless of what its for.

you are correct on the j&j tech, and IF i had to get one, thats the one i'd get (also because its just one round)

 

[just_floatin]

Really. You don’t say

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1414657188501626895

CDC: J&J COVID-19 Vaccine Linked to Rare Nerve Disorder; FDA Issues Warning

U.S. regulators on Monday added a new warning to Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine about links to a rare and potentially dangerous neurological reaction but said it’s not entirely clear the shot caused the problem. The Food and Drug Administration announced the new warning, flagging reports...

www.nbcboston.com

 

[sintax]

Really. You don’t say

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1414657188501626895

CDC: J&J COVID-19 Vaccine Linked to Rare Nerve Disorder; FDA Issues Warning

U.S. regulators on Monday added a new warning to Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine about links to a rare and potentially dangerous neurological reaction but said it’s not entirely clear the shot caused the problem. The Food and Drug Administration announced the new warning, flagging reports...

www.nbcboston.com

i retract my above statement! hah

 

[Uncle Dave]

100 cases pretty much all over 50 in 12.8 million does.....

Anyone look up what the odds are of being hit by lightning?

 

[Uncle Dave]

This is rounded so dont get all uppity with me, but compare to dying of COVID

 

[attitude]

Covid deaths will always be over inflated and vaccine deaths will be under inflated. We will never know the real numbers…

 

[just_floatin]

100 cases pretty much all over 50 in 12.8 million does.....

Anyone look up what the odds are of being hit by lightning?


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Your chances of being struck by lighting are next to null if you stay indoors. Why even put yourself in the situation Uncle Pusherman

 

[Uncle Dave]

Your chances of being struck by lighting are next to null if you stay indoors. Why even put yourself in the situation Uncle Pusherman

If you dont go anywhere or do anything things still happen.

Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US

danger.mongabay.com

Name calling? Really?

 

[Uncle Dave]

Covid deaths will always be over inflated and vaccine deaths will be under inflated. We will never know the real numbers…

take that down by half and its still less risky.

 

[attitude]

take that down by half and its still less risky.

Again, those numbers are not accurate. How far from accurate are they? No one will ever know…

 

[Uncle Dave]

Again, those numbers are not accurate. How far from accurate are they? No one will ever know…

Im all over looking for better numbers - no ones put anything up.

 

[Racey]

Because it just reinforces my position that their vaccines and their fear mongering is pure BULLSHIT.

I understand your position and stance on not making the vaccines mandatory, but when you come back at me and others about what we will do if it is state mandated for our employees, I tend to believe your position is waffling and not strong enough to stand up to the tyranny of the left, not to mention your statement of "if you are wrong you should still understand the risks in potentially killing not only yourself but your loved family members and others." That is a statement right out of the left's playbook trying to force a UNPROVEN vaccine with no long term studies performed.

Again, if the government wants to allow millions of illegals to cross our borders unchecked/unvaccinated, they and everyone else running around with their hair on fire can pound sand in my book. Until they actually treat this like a real problem by their actions, they can F the hell off.

Keep educating the misinformed with data that has been proven to be suspect time and time again, that's your right.

Exactly, so few seem willing to actively stand up and say NO. The entire country has become limp wristed and isn't interested in holding to any principle, it takes too much effort and they are more content to just stay quiet and ride along while they are stripped piece by piece of freedoms. We aren't at the slippery slope, we are riding it now.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Those same freedoms which you enjoy, so does your employer.

You are free to refuse the shot. He is free to replace you with a vaccinated employee.

You should not be forced to get a shot if you don't want to, but he should not be forced to employ the un-vaccinated if he does not want to.

The complicated thing about freedom is that it is a two way street. And one persons freedoms should not come at the expense of another's.

Well it should when one person is a citizen and a tax paying member of society and the other isn't..

 

[Tom Slick]

I've been away for a few days and didn't realize when I started this thread that it would take off as it has. My reason for starting this thread is because my wife whom is and has been an RN for 17 years is being backed into a corner by her employer. All three of the major healthcare systems in Idaho, St. Luke's, St, Al's and Primary health announced last Thursday that they are requiring the jab by all employees by September 1st, or they will be terminated. The irony is this, all three of these companies do business in other states, like our boarder state Oregon. Because of Oregon state law these companies cannot mandate the vaccine to there employees. Sadly the state of Idaho has no such law to protect employees of private companies from any such mandates. The hypocrisy in all of this is that our governor pasted a bill a few months back that prevents state government employees from having to get vaccinated. A similar bill for non government employees was presented to the state legislature, but it got dropped and they went on summer recess. So it's all good for government employees, but the rest of the citizens of the state can be required by their employees to get the vaccine. This situation is fucked up and isn't over by a long shot. The fight has just begun.

 

[regor]

Fauci Calls For 'More Vaccine Mandates At The Local Level', Slams Alex Berenson For Spreading Facts At CPAC

"I have been of this opinion, and I remain of that opinion, that I do believe at the local level, Jake, there should be more mandates..."
MON JUL 12, AT 12:02 PM

 

[Wonderbread]

Fuck that fowchee hobbit

 

[regor]

hahahaha the sheep couldn't handle it upstairs anymore.......................

 

[was thatguy]

All over a >99% survival rate.

 

[Wonderbread]

All over a >99% survival rate.

Truly boggles the mind does it not? When did people become so cowardly and naive...circling the drain

 

[regor]

Truly boggles the mind does it not? When did people become so cowardly and naive...circling the drain

The Chitown bath house queen made it hip to sit like a bitch.............

 

[was thatguy]

All over a >99% survival rate.

Truly boggles the mind does it not? When did people become so cowardly and naive...circling the drain

And by saying that one is immediately branded insensitive, or a denier of covid, or uncaring about spreading it, and a laundry list of other falsehoods.

“You’d change your tune if it was your loved one” rings out.
Well guess what? I am more than adequately educated in the matters of pain and loss.
People act like it’s the god damned plague.
The Black Plague killed HALF of Europe.
Covid is real, it can kill you, it can make you really sick, masks do nothing, spacing is better, a plastic face shield is better than a cloth mask, a rushed vaccine is not a good thing, it’d be different if the mortality rate was 30%- 60% like the Black Death was.
But it’s not. It isn’t life or death.[/QUOTE]

 

[regor]

 

[Wonderbread]

And by saying that one is immediately branded insensitive, or a denier of covid, or uncaring about spreading it, and a laundry list of other falsehoods.

“You’d change your tune if it was your loved one” rings out.
Well guess what? I am more than adequately educated in the matters of pain and loss.
People act like it’s the god damned plague.
The Black Plague killed HALF of Europe.
Covid is real, it can kill you, it can make you really sick, masks fo nothing, spacing is better, a plastic face shield is better than a cloth mask, a rushed vaccine is not a good thing, it’d be different if the mortality rate was 30%- 60% like the Black Death was.
But it’s not. It isn’t life or death.

[/QUOTE]

The cold hard facts of life (and you seem to have an understanding via a different learning curve than I, but same lesson learned) Humans are born and die. It may be emotionally difficult for some to get past this but, we as humans have become so arrogant believing we can cheat the system.

 

[regor]

100 cases pretty much all over 50 in 12.8 million does.....

Anyone look up what the odds are of being hit by lightning?


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Reminiscent of 1976.................

archive.ph

 

[Uncle Dave]

Risk either way.

I havent seen any numbers put up that says Ive got the risks wrong.

I hear the numbers aren't right, but not single digit on put forward on what at the right ones are.

Feelings, politics, memes, tropes, arent actual data even if they say what Id like them to say.

IF one doest have the have the numbers how does one determine risk?

 

[Uncle Dave]

Well it should when one person is a citizen and a tax paying member of society and the other isn't..

In that scenario who isn't paying taxes? The employer pays and the guy getting paycheck pays.

I may have missed a post somewhere else on that.

 

[j21black]

Risk either way.

I havent seen any numbers put up that says Ive got the risks wrong.

I hear the numbers aren't right, but not single digit on put forward on what at the right ones are.

Feelings, politics, memes, tropes, arent actual data even if they say what Id like them to say.

IF one doest have the have the numbers how does one determine risk?

And in that you have you answer. Let's talk about numbers a few years down the road. The sample period is to short. That is all that I am saying.

Again at the beginning of this a heart attack death (and many other unrelated deaths) were being classified as Covid. My wife being in the medical field saw this first hand.

Again I am not saying someone getting the shot is a bad thing. I am not anti-vax, as long as the studies are done properly, and we have time to see the true effects down the road before it is applied to the gen pop, great.

Maybe this all we be a non issue. Seems every few years someone has a miracle drug that will cure cancer (understanding cancer is not a virus)- It still hasn't happened yet.

In the end, time will tell.

ETA: Do you have the data on FLU cases for the 2020 Flu season?

 

[regor]

Risk either way.

I havent seen any numbers put up that says Ive got the risks wrong.

I hear the numbers aren't right, but not single digit on put forward on what at the right ones are.

Feelings, politics, memes, tropes, arent actual data even if they say what Id like them to say.

IF one doest have the have the numbers how does one determine risk?

Numbers from a vaccine that has no trials nor long term risk assessment.......................

 

[Uncle Dave]

And in that you have you answer. Let's talk about numbers a few years down the road. The sample period is to short. That is all that I am saying.

Again at the beginning of this a heart attack death (and many other unrelated deaths) were being classified as Covid. My wife being in the medical field saw this first hand.

Again I am not saying someone getting the shot is a bad thing. I am not anti-vax, as long as the studies are done properly, and we have time to see the true effects down the road before it is applied to the gen pop, great.

Maybe this all we be a non issue. Seems every few years someone has a miracle drug that will cure cancer (understanding cancer is not a virus)- It still has happened yet.

In the end, time will tell.

Im not saying its "bad not to get" I understand why people dont want to get it
I also understand that its always more comforting to know long term data.

No matter how many time I say Im pro choice this place acts like Im selling something.

Thing is no one can show me the data that says the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk from covid

One is very small the other even smaller.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Numbers from a vaccine that has no trials nor long terms assessment.......................

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Hundreds of agencies have put their best people on this problem.

We've been doing vaccines a long time.
Especially the J&J version.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

In that scenario who isn't paying taxes? The employer pays and the guy getting paycheck pays.

I may have missed a post somewhere else on that.

Illegal aliens are taking more out of the system than the sales taxes they are paying, and flooding through the border unvaccinated adding to our pool of COVID risk. And then the homeless - need I say more.

Beyond Covid, neither of these groups "personal freedoms" should be impeding of the freedoms of tax paying producing members of society. I'm not saying they don't have human rights, but letting them affect how we run as a society at large is detrimental to the whole.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Illegal aliens are taking more out of the system than the sales taxes they are paying, and flooding through the border unvaccinated adding to our pool of COVID risk. And then the homeless - need I say more.

Beyond Covid, neither of these groups "personal freedoms" should be impeding of the freedoms of tax paying producing members of society. I'm not saying they don't have human rights, but letting them affect how we run as a society at large is detrimental to the whole.

OK I get it now - you are saying he hires illegals.

 

[regor]

Hundreds of agencies have put their best people on this problem.

We've been doing vaccines a long time.
Especially the J&J version.

Oh yea, the ferrets know all about that mRNA vaccine Dave.

They asked to please stop killing their brothers!!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Thing is no one can show me the data that says the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk from covid

One is very small the other even smaller.

At this point the vaccine is less risk than getting covid. At best this is just a flu shot. Some not insignificant amount of people feel like crap for a day or 2 after getting the flu shot, the same seems to be true with the Covid shot.

The "risk" is a slippery slope. It is less risky for you not to boat, or off road, or ride a motorcycle. Those are dangerous activities, but the risk stops very few people from doing those things. As far as affecting others, there is risk you could go out in your car and accidently kill someone. You could give someone a cold or flu and they could die. We didn't care about any of those risks until this virus got politicized.

If we really cared about the risk, we would seal off the borders and close down airports. None of that ever happened, because this virus is simply not that dangerous to the vast majority of the population.

 

[Wonderbread]

Hundreds of agencies have put their best people on this problem.

We've been doing vaccines a long time.
Especially the J&J version.

exactly what agencies are those? I mean unless you live in a cave, all the numbers pumped out by hospitals, vaxx mfg’s and our very own gov have been falsified.....and hell they even admitted making “mistakes” in the numbers.

bottom line, peeps should be able to make up their own minds. If you want to live fear and vaxx free go ahead, if you prefer masks, vaxx and fear of death, well knock yourself out.

 

[Wonderbread]

At this point the vaccine is less risk than getting covid. At best this is just a flu shot. Some not insignificant amount of people feel like crap for a day or 2 after getting the flu shot, the same seems to be true with the Covid shot.

The "risk" is a slippery slope. It is less risky for you not to boat, or off road, or ride a motorcycle. Those are dangerous activities, but the risk stops very few people from doing those things. As far as affecting others, there is risk you could go out in your car and accidently kill someone. You could give someone a cold or flu and they could die. We didn't care about any of those risks until this virus got politicized.

If we really cared about the risk, we would seal off the borders and close down airports. None of that ever happened, because this virus is simply not that dangerous to the vast majority of the population.

ummmmmm the “numbers” say the opposite. More peeps are being medically injured/ill or dead by the vax, compared to covid

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

OK I get it now - you are saying he hires illegals.

Well slaves in other countries, but whatever

He's saying freedom is always some authoritarian 2 way street and it is not (If you do X I do Y). A vagrant is free to crap in my yard, I am not free to move him out of my yard. We have unvetted immigrants pouring into the country... they aren't vaxed and are spreading the disease to our most vulnerable communities, who then spread it to our entire community and country. We cant exercise our freedom to stop it. We just have to deal with it.

 

[Uncle Dave]

exactly what agencies are those? I mean unless you live in a cave, all the numbers pumped out by hospitals, vaxx mfg’s and our very own gov have been falsified.....and hell they even admitted making “mistakes” in the numbers.

bottom line, peeps should be able to make up their own minds. If you want to live fear and vaxx free go ahead, if you prefer masks, vaxx and fear of death, well knock yourself out.

Russia, China, the US works with Pfizer, Moderna, J&J and others. John Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon the list is pretty big. (if its political to you think about who Trump trusted)

All large form data has mistakes

Simply sayin the data is wrong but not putting any up means an emotional decision is being made - not a data driven one.

I dont care what people do but selling the decision to me supposedly based on science means I need to see data.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

ummmmmm the “numbers” say the opposite. More peeps are being medically injured/ill or dead by the vax, compared to covid

Lets be real here, no they are not. I don't believe there are a couple hundred people a day dying in this country from the vaccine.

Is it causing weird stuff in some people, yes, but not anywhere close to a majority. I know a couple people personally that had some odd things happen post vaccine.

Do I think we should be coerced to take a vaccine for a virus that most of the country has no chance of dying from.. no.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Well slaves in other countries, but whatever

He's saying freedom is a authoritarian 2 way street and it is not. A vagrant is free to crap in my yard, I am not free to move him out of my yard.

In the case of US employer employing legal workers. Each should have the freedom to decide.

 

[Wonderbread]

All large form data has mistakes

Simply sayin the data is wrong but not putting any up means an emotional decision is being made - not a data driven one.

I dont care what people do but selling the decision to me supposedly based on science means I need to see data.

mistakes as in the data being off by say 250%....lol thats no mistake, that was called manipulation and fraud.

my question stands, where is this data? Also if the sources of this date were in on the “mistakes” are they suddenly now “mistake free” or “less mistaken”

 

[Uncle Dave]

ummmmmm the “numbers” say the opposite. More peeps are being medically injured/ill or dead by the vax, compared to covid

show me, dont tell me.

 

[Wonderbread]

Lets be real here, no they are not. I don't believe there are a couple hundred people a day dying in this country from the vaccine.

Is it causing weird stuff in some people, yes, but not anywhere close to a majority. I know a couple people personally that had some odd thing happen post vaccine.

Do I think we should be coerced to take a vaccine for a virus that most of the country has no chance of dying from.. no.

really? Where are these hundreds per day dying from covid? you can look up the vaers reports yourself....if you trust data

 

[Uncle Dave]

mistakes as in the data being off by say 250%....lol thats no mistake, that was called manipulation and fraud.

my question stands, where is this data? Also if the sources of this date were in on the “mistakes” are they suddenly now “mistake free” or “less mistaken”

I picked john hopkins infection and death data at the beginning of the thread.

 

[Wonderbread]

show me, dont tell me.

You show me the data that says otherwise? Lol I could give 2 poops. I have never worn a mask since this started and not even a cold....I just like to sit back and laugh at the clowns

 

[Uncle Dave]

You show me the data that says otherwise? Lol I could give 2 poops. I have never worn a mask since this started and not even a cold....I just like to sit back and laugh at the clowns

again - nothing.

 

[Wonderbread]

I picked john hopkins infection and death data at the beginning of the thread.

in on the fraud....but you knew that

you believe the numbers and trust the sources, I dont.
You do you, and I’ll do me. I just find it ironic a dude comes on posting how everyone is wrong, ‘cept for him and the book cookers numbers he’s using as proof

 

[Uncle Dave]

Lets be real here, no they are not. I don't believe there are a couple hundred people a day dying in this country from the vaccine.

Is it causing weird stuff in some people, yes, but not anywhere close to a majority. I know a couple people personally that had some odd thing happen post vaccine.

Do I think we should be coerced to take a vaccine for a virus that most of the country has no chance of dying from.. no.

I know were at odds but I also know you are aware that comment is completely off the reservation.