Diesel Pusher Shopping

[wzuber]

Where is the best place to sell a used rv these days? Getting ready to list ours.

This thread could be a good trial run. Post up some pix and info. See how the peeps here like your presentation.

 

[RiverDave]

This thread could be a good trial run. Post up some pix and info. See how the peeps here like your presentation.

You offering the commission to me? lol.

 

[wzuber]

You offering the commission to me? lol.

I have no such authority.
We're simply offering to assist them in refining their market presentation for when they post their "for sale" add on Facebook market place or other highly effective rv sales websites. Nobody sells anything on here any more, it's dead.

 

[Take N Advantage]

You can also buy an extended warranty
Check out wholesale warranties. They cover just about everything. My father had it and replaced quite a few things Worked out well for him.

Not sure of your budget. But this guy gets some good stuff, prices are slightly higher, but they go over the complete coach in detail

You have to call them as they don’t list everything they have.

Motorcoach Showroom - The Motorcoach Store

www.themotorcoachstore.com

Also Check Andrew’s YouTube channel

RVing with Andrew Steele

Being in the RV industry, I come across all kinds of cool RV related stuff that I would like to share with the world.

m.youtube.com

Andrew is a total “Cake Eater”.

 

[FROGMAN524]

I talked to these guys about this one which is already been delivered, but they don’t have anything else coming in till April and then nothing after that in this floor plan

2025 Renegade Verona 40VTS VU0016 | SportTruckRV

SportTruckRV is a dealer of new and used trucks, rvs, and trucks in Chandler, Arizona and near Queen Creek, Gilbert, Mesa and Tempe. We feature quality products from brands such as Freightliner, Renegade and IKON.

www.sporttruckrv.com

We’re gonna stop by the show in Scottsdale this weekend and then there’s another show in March over at Phoenix international raceway where NASCAR is they will probably also check out

 

[FROGMAN524]

Does anybody know what the cheapest 45 foot class A with a bunk plan and an X15 or equivalent motor K3 chassis is?

I like the American coach but they don’t have a bunk plan and the Newmar’s are close to $1 million which is out of our budget.

 

[Done-it-again]

Does anybody know what the cheapest 45 foot class A with a bunk plan and an X15 or equivalent motor K3 chassis is?

I like the American coach but they don’t have a bunk plan and the Newmar’s are close to $1 million which is out of our budget.

You are not going to get something new on a K3 chassis for under 400k.

 

[FROGMAN524]

You are not going to get something new on a K3 chassis for under 400k.

I know that, the DD was discounted from $745K to $550K. What’s something else I may have missed?

 

[Done-it-again]

I know that, the DD was discounted from $745K to $550K. What’s something else I may have missed?

You will come to find out the there are not many mid high level units with bunks and non with the bed above the driver passenger.

The Newmar Dutch Star 4340 would be it about it. But not getting the X15 or the K3

 

[FROGMAN524]

You will come to find out the there are not many mid high level units with bunks and non with the bed above the driver passenger.

The Newmar Dutch Star 4340 would be it about it. But not getting the X15 or the K3

Dutchstar gives up the drop down bed above the drivers seat. Have to go down to the ventana to do that, which I wouldn’t be opposed to, but I’m afraid I’d want more power when towing.

 

[Cooter01]

Dutchstar gives up the drop down bed above the drivers seat. Have to go down to the ventana to do that, which I wouldn’t be opposed to, but I’m afraid I’d want more power when towing.

How much weight do you plan on towing?

 

[Singleton]

I talked to these guys about this one which is already been delivered, but they don’t have anything else coming in till April and then nothing after that in this floor plan

2025 Renegade Verona 40VTS VU0016 | SportTruckRV

SportTruckRV is a dealer of new and used trucks, rvs, and trucks in Chandler, Arizona and near Queen Creek, Gilbert, Mesa and Tempe. We feature quality products from brands such as Freightliner, Renegade and IKON.

www.sporttruckrv.com

We’re gonna stop by the show in Scottsdale this weekend and then there’s another show in March over at Phoenix international raceway where NASCAR is they will probably also check out
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Trailers of the East Coast is another solid dealer, based on the groups I belong to.

2025 Renegade RV Verona 40VBH Class C Motorhome (SHVU0021)

2025 Renegade RV Verona 40VBH Class C Motorhome (SHVU0021) is available at Trailers Of The East Coast, a 3rd generation, family-owned business. Get a quote today!

www.trailersoftheeastcoast.com

 

[mooseknuckles]

2025 Renegade Verona 40VBH for sale in Scott City, MO, Price: $339,995

2025 Renegade Verona 40VBH for sale in Scott City, MO, Price: $339,995

www.racingjunk.com

 

[Done-it-again]

Dutchstar gives up the drop down bed above the drivers seat. Have to go down to the ventana to do that, which I wouldn’t be opposed to, but I’m afraid I’d want more power when towing.

I understand about power and well all want more, but to get 600 hp and the chassis with bunks you are getting in Newell territory. Not many production DP manufacturers units out there.

Then your best bet is a class 8 (super c) with the over head bed and bunks.

 

[Done-it-again]

@FROGMAN524

Pretty sure the Essex has the K3. This unit has been for sale for a bit.

Used 2022 Newmar Essex | Aledo | Aledo | #12595CC | Atlanta

Shop for Used 2022 Newmar Essex motorhomes in Atlanta with National Indoor RV Centers

www.nirvc.com

 

[evantwheeler]

CAT’s issues were more about meeting EPA/CARB requirements. They couldn’t get their on-road motors to clear the government environmental nazi’s requirements.

To the OP - I like this website to find nice pushers & pullers that have some age on them but are well taken care of and garage stored. They’re particular on what coaches they promote.

Motorhomes For Sale | Texas | Used RV & Motorhome Dealership

Shop the best deals on used motorhomes and RVs for sale at Motorhomes of Texas located in Nacogdoches near Lufkin, TX!

www.motorhomesoftexas.com

MOT still consigns coaches with lots of hidden issues. I am a Foretravel bandwagoner, and MOT will not allow certain independent Foretravel inspectors on their property for PPI's. They do limit the brands they sell to higher quality coaches, but just because they are selling it doesn't mean it has been properly vetted.....

 

[bonesfab]

@FROGMAN524

Pretty sure the Essex has the K3. This unit has been for sale for a bit.

Used 2022 Newmar Essex | Aledo | Aledo | #12595CC | Atlanta

Shop for Used 2022 Newmar Essex motorhomes in Atlanta with National Indoor RV Centers

www.nirvc.com

DAMN. when you want to go camping in the Taj Mahal.

 

[FROGMAN524]

@FROGMAN524

Pretty sure the Essex has the K3. This unit has been for sale for a bit.

Used 2022 Newmar Essex | Aledo | Aledo | #12595CC | Atlanta

Shop for Used 2022 Newmar Essex motorhomes in Atlanta with National Indoor RV Centers

www.nirvc.com

I like the outside but interior is hideous. I will look for a 4578 though.

 

[rivrrts429]

MOT still consigns coaches with lots of hidden issues. I am a Foretravel bandwagoner, and MOT will not allow certain independent Foretravel inspectors on their property for PPI's. They do limit the brands they sell to higher quality coaches, but just because they are selling it doesn't mean it has been properly vetted.....

I’m a huge ForeTravel fan and I don’t disagree with anything you said. It’s still a decent website to network and maybe find something not listed.

 

[Done-it-again]

2025 Entegra Coach Cornerstone 45R Bath & 1/2 Bunk Model RV W/ Starlink, Upgraded Interior & Much More

mhsrv.com

2019 Foretravel Realm Lvb #UM52171 - For Sale in Dover, FL

Shop used 2019 Foretravel Realm Lvb from Blue Compass RV Tampa in Dover, FL

www.foretravelrvsource.com

 

[EmpirE231]

Foretravel realm has a bunk floor plan… w/ big motor. Pricey rigs / very nice but you might be able to a find a used one close to that range?

I am a big Newmar fan, but pre-buyout…. So I’d be looking at 2020’s and older.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Foretravel realm has a bunk floor plan… w/ big motor. Pricey rigs / very nice but you might be able to a find a used one close to that range?

I am a big Newmar fan, but pre-buyout…. So I’d be looking at 2020’s and older.

There's an argument to be made about that time frame for all manufacturers. During peak COVID no one could keep coaches in stock and most manufacturers ramped up their production to within an inch of it's life. COVID coaches appear to have moderately more issues than their pre COVID brethren.

 

[Singleton]

There's an argument to be made about that time frame for all manufacturers. During peak COVID no one could keep coaches in stock and most manufacturers ramped up their production to within an inch of it's life. COVID coaches appear to have moderately more issues than their pre COVID brethren.

This 100%.
When I started researching for my RV, almost everyone (service techs, etc.) said to avoid coaches with a build date of May 2020 until January 2023.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Looking at new Newmar diesel coaches in California at Mike Thompson and they have CARB clean air stickers on them. Do these have even more emissions shit than the Florida coaches I’m looking at?

 

[Singleton]

Looking at new Newmar diesel coaches in California at Mike Thompson and they have CARB clean air stickers on them. Do these have even more emissions shit than the Florida coaches I’m looking at?

No. Unit was built 3-6 months ago, so same equipment. i have read some slight changes for units built after 01.01.2025, but those changes are engine related (same chassis, different engine), but CARB has also backed away some from the original requirements.

 

[Justsomeguy]

How does the South Dakota thing work for reg?

Just got the info myself. Working on it.

 

[Mrs. Riley1]

Looking at new Newmar diesel coaches in California at Mike Thompson and they have CARB clean air stickers on them. Do these have even more emissions shit than the Florida coaches I’m looking at?

My sister works at Mike Thompsons. I can give you her info if you’re interested.

 

[sml]

Just got the info myself. Working on it.

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How i am understanding this is that South Dakota registers this in your personal name? Be careful with that as most states require residents to register their vehicles in “X” amount of time in the state you live in.

 

[Justsomeguy]

How i am understanding this is that South Dakota registers this in your personal name? Be careful with that as most states require residents to register their vehicles in “X” amount of time in the state you live in.

I mean i guess with an llc you have some deniability. But either way you're not above board.

That drums been beat. Yes the right cop would certainly be an issue.

 

[Singleton]

How i am understanding this is that South Dakota registers this in your personal name? Be careful with that as most states require residents to register their vehicles in “X” amount of time in the state you live in.

Not 100% true. I have vehicles registered in AZ to my AZ address, vehicles registered in NM to my NM address.
The vehicles I use 100% in CA are registered to my CA address.

New Mexico has an RV snowbird rule. Purchase and take possession of RV in NM, you can register in NM, even if you live somewhere else.

 

[FROGMAN524]

My sister works at Mike Thompsons. I can give you her info if you’re interested.

Working on a newmar at the one in Santa Fe Springs. Is that the location she’s at?

 

[Mrs. Riley1]

Working on a newmar at the one in Santa Fe Springs. Is that the location she’s at?

She’s at Colton

 

[sml]

I mean i guess with an llc you have some deniability. But either way you're not above board.

That drums been beat. Yes the right cop would certainly be an issue.

I’d probably just roll with montana and not worry about it. I’ve never had any issues that way, but i am not living in cali either!

 

[baja-chris]

I'm pulling my 2019 Dutch Star 4362 out of indoor storage in Havasu tomorrow to take photos to list it. Taking one last trip in it Monday to Texas for 2 weeks. Planning to list it for $265k. Zero issues. New tires, new batteries, Directv, Starlink, Airforce 1 tow brakes, etc. Will be avail for viewing this weekend in an rv camp in Havasu. Has theater recliners, euro dinette, front and exterior tv's, basement freezer, basically a loaded DS. I think I've got about 40k miles on it. Recent chassis and house service at NIRVC Vegas. Plan to put it on Facebook and RV Trader.

 

[Done-it-again]

I'm pulling my 2019 Dutch Star 4362 out of indoor storage in Havasu tomorrow to take photos to list it. Taking one last trip in it Monday to Texas for 2 weeks. Planning to list it for $265k. Zero issues. New tires, new batteries, Directv, Starlink, Airforce 1 tow brakes, etc. Will be avail for viewing this weekend in an rv camp in Havasu. Has theater recliners, euro dinette, front and exterior tv's, basement freezer, basically a loaded DS. I think I've got about 40k miles on it. Recent chassis and house service at NIRVC Vegas. Plan to put it on Facebook and RV Trader.

That’s a pretty decent deal. GWTS

How is your starlink mounted?

 

[whiteworks]

Be prepared to be disappointed if you purchase a new unit. While all the buttons of luxury are awesome, they are one more thing to fail in your life. Our group of off-roaders have a variety of rvs’s ranging from my little class c that’s 20 years old to brand new pushers, super c’s, show haulers, grand design and massive luxe 5th wheels.

While the luxury rigs are amazing, I shit you not every one of those things have major failures every-time we are out and that’s if they are not being held hostage in the shop having warranty work done at a snails pace. And can actually make the trip.

I think there is an owner/rig profile that you want to figure out. Ideally the rig has enough miles on it to know that the guy used it and has sorted the issues. The big busses are definitely cool though, best of luck finding the right one.

 

[FROGMAN524]

She’s at Colton

Let me see what they’ve got. Trying to test drive Super C and A today. Not opposed to a Momentum TH but apparently they’ve got frame cracking issues right now.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Be prepared to be disappointed if you purchase a new unit. While all the buttons of luxury are awesome, they are one more thing to fail in your life. Our group of off-roaders have a variety of rvs’s ranging from my little class c that’s 20 years old to brand new pushers, super c’s, show haulers, grand design and massive luxe 5th wheels.

While the luxury rigs are amazing, I shit you not every one of those things have major failures every-time we are out and that’s if they are not being held hostage in the shop having warranty work done at a snails pace. And can actually make the trip.

I think there is an owner/rig profile that you want to figure out. Ideally the rig has enough miles on it to know that the guy used it and has sorted the issues. The big busses are definitely cool though, best of luck finding the right one.

It’s not easy. The money changes big time depending on which way we go and I’m starting to feel like spending hundreds of thousands on a headache may be the wrong idea. Maybe ending up with a TH after all is said and done.

 

[monkeyswrench]

What WW says makes a lot of sense. The last part there, about getting a used rig that has been used enough for the previous owner to work the bugs out.

The super C chassis and the pusher chassis seem to be well sorted. Nothing really new or cutting edge there, just some smog headaches. If someone has used it enough to get some time on the coach systems, they will have found the problems in advance.

 

[Singleton]

It’s not easy. The money changes big time depending on which way we go and I’m starting to feel like spending hundreds of thousands on a headache may be the wrong idea. Maybe ending up with a TH after all is said and done.

The lower production number manufactures don’t have as many issues. Always a few bugs to work on a new coach.

That is why dealership and manufacturer matter. My dealership is not the best but manufacture has been awesome. Shipping parts overnight to dealer or repair shops when I email stating why is it taking so long, etc.

 

[DRIVE BYE]

I wish you the best on your Choice. What great info everyone has Shared. I agree and have had first hand experience with This. My 2 cents is the same- Pre 20 Coach. DutchStar being my first choice. The Super C has its spot.. Taller to get into I think. (More steps) Keep us posted!

 

[Justsomeguy]

It’s not easy. The money changes big time depending on which way we go and I’m starting to feel like spending hundreds of thousands on a headache may be the wrong idea. Maybe ending up with a TH after all is said and done.

They have their own issues. But definitely one less power train to worry about. Mine was new but a few years old. I was hoping to not have issues. New enough everything's good. Old enough he worked the bugs out. Except he was a complete moron. I fixed all the bugs myself. They weren't difficult. Just annoyed me the first couple trips.

For example my kitchen sink is on a slide. So there is a flex hose that connects to the hard line plumbing. It would pop off every damn time you open or closed the slide. Couple of couplers at ace for 2 bucks fixed that. Generator needed a full service never shut down on me again. Idk if they over filled it or it needed a fuel filter all along. But I read the service records and it did it to me first trip. Never did it to me again. I've run it hours on end since that first trip. It used to shut itself down after an hour or so if use.

Ac needed a capacitor. That one I'm not sure was him because I checked them before I bought it. But maybe I just didn't notice it wasn't getting ice cold.

So they all have their issues. But I love mine now. It's fairly dialed in.

So I guess don't expect all the bugs to fixed. You may still have to figure some out. But if you're fairly handy it's not hard.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Well I think class C and super c are out. Torn between a DP and a TH. Big price difference but I love the As

 

[Cooter01]

Be prepared to be disappointed if you purchase a new unit. While all the buttons of luxury are awesome, they are one more thing to fail in your life. Our group of off-roaders have a variety of rvs’s ranging from my little class c that’s 20 years old to brand new pushers, super c’s, show haulers, grand design and massive luxe 5th wheels.

While the luxury rigs are amazing, I shit you not every one of those things have major failures every-time we are out and that’s if they are not being held hostage in the shop having warranty work done at a snails pace. And can actually make the trip.

I think there is an owner/rig profile that you want to figure out. Ideally the rig has enough miles on it to know that the guy used it and has sorted the issues. The big busses are definitely cool though, best of luck finding the right one.

I agree 1000% two people we camp with are always buying the latest and greatest toy hauler or rv every 1-2 ish years and every time they come out it is an issue loading up, the duration of the trip, and the month long repair. One time the hydraulic system was stuck in the down position as the seals on the rod had sand/dirt on them and would not come up. Another trip, second one out, the rv went into limp mode and was stuck doing 35 the whole trip until he got to a local place to look at it. Was stuck there for a few extra days. I fully agree buy a 1-3 year older rig that someone has worked out the bugs and headaches with. Yes, the latest stuff is great to a point. If you plan on towing a decent weight above 15k lbs a toter home is a much better setup.

 

[Singleton]

Well I think class C and super c are out. Torn between a DP and a TH. Big price difference but I love the As

If you have a truck to pull TH, that is an easier purchase.

We started with that. We moved to the RV because we wanted to travel longer distances and the RV is easier to setup if you arrive later at camp.

Then again I had two SXS’s or a Jeep Wrangler in my TH, so whenever we got to camp, those had to exit before we could sleep. PIA.

 

[yz450mm]

Let me see what they’ve got. Trying to test drive Super C and A today. Not opposed to a Momentum TH but apparently they’ve got frame cracking issues right now.

Look at the Valor line by Alliance, we settled on them over GD for the next TH purchase later this year.

Valor | Alliance RV

You have family, toys, gear and the intense personal desire to explore the outdoors. Courageously take adventure head on with the most versatile multi-zone living vehicle designed by RVers for RVers. Valor by ALLIANCE RV is packed with adventure-ready quality equipment for the extreme journey...

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[spectras only]

I've been around DP's and Super C's friends have. It's a toss up, depending what the better half wants.
DP's normally more spacious vs Super C, similar lengths. However, Super C's can have 20k tow capacity, DP's need to have 600HP or more towing over 15k pounds, Front fascia damage on a class A DP could take months to fix, get replacement parts. Super C would be safer in a frontal collision for driver/passenger, and easier access for maintenance of engine and accessories. I favour the Super C but, better deals can be had with Class A's. There's a lot more Class A's to choose from, new and used. Just my two cents of opinion.

I like this unit. It's about 540,000 in US in Canada

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[FROGMAN524]

After a long long day of crawling through everything from Cs to Super Cs to As and even one TH, we’re pretty set on a luxury DP with big power. I wanted bunks for the kids but I am willing to forgo that if I can find one that will sleep 6 without bunks and that’s high quality and maybe a year or two old.

Prices on brand new units are insane and for the same or less money as a new Dutch Star, I can buy a 2-4 year old Mountain Aire, Essex or London Aire on a K3 chassis.

Possibly going to havasu tomorrow for the RV show there to see some more toy haulers. Anybody been?

 

[n2otoofast4u]

After a long long day of crawling through everything from Cs to Super Cs to As and even one TH, we’re pretty set on a luxury DP with big power. I wanted bunks for the kids but I am willing to forgo that if I can find one that will sleep 6 without bunks and that’s high quality and maybe a year or two old.

Prices on brand new units are insane and for the same or less money as a new Dutch Star, I can buy a 2-4 year old Mountain Aire, Essex or London Aire on a K3 chassis.

Possibly going to havasu tomorrow for the RV show there to see some more toy haulers. Anybody been?

Fuck a TH!!!! Makin samiches and taking a piss all while rolling down the road is where it’s at!! I think you’re spot on in that year/2/3 old idea. Buy a warranty, bitches love warranties!

 

[FROGMAN524]

Highlight of the show was in the parking lot