Did we land on the moon?

[bentprops]

Or devout Seventh Day Adventist, which is where I recall hearing these same claims. The same person would argue all day as one who takes the biblical book of Genesis timeline literally.

Im not a 7 day advanetist. If you spend some time and do some research you will find that the "real science" things that can be observed and messured, proves the Bible as truth over and over. However i do take it literally.
Romans 3:4, God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

 

[bentprops]

Some things to consider, copied from Masini
If science is all about questioning everything and always looking for proof, here's some critical thinking questions:
- This 50 million dollar pop up tent made of curtain rods and cellophane held a Lunar Rover and two men for like two weeks in the extreme vacuum of space? How?
- Didn't we just figure out how to land a rocket vertically a year ago?
- Why did they wrap everything, including the legs, with that cellophane?
- If they say that Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon, then why don't they give credit to the cameraman who was already there filming his landing on the moon?
- Did two guys really spend like two weeks packed in this pop-tent with a Lunar Rover on their lap?
- Do those space suites really protect the astronauts from the extreme vacuum of space; if so, how?
- Why would this timy space craft, which operates in very little gravity, need a giant 10,000 lb thrust rocket engine?
- Where's the blast crater left on the moon from this 10,000 lb thrust engine?
- Where does all the fuel for this 10,000 lb thrust rocket engine go, and how could there be room enough for a Lunar Lander with the crew in this tiny craft?
- Were they really able to live stream video and audio in real time from the moon without Satelites? If so, why haven't we been able to live stream video in real time accross the street until 40 years later?
- If they could live stream video and audio from the moon without satellites 40-50 years ago and remotely operate cameras from earth, then why didn't they send unmanned drones to the moon 50 years ago?
- If we have such powerful telescopes, why can't we see the American flag or any of the half dozen or so Lunar Rovers left on the moon; especially when we can see so many of the craters and moon surface details with the naked eye?

Thrust Capabilities:
Where's the blast crater left behind on the moon from this 10,000 thrust ascent engine of the Lunar Lander? Why don't we see any debris flying up from the low gravity surface of the moon when the Lunar Lander takes off of the several times the Lunar Landers have been to the moon? Why would they ever put such a ridiculously powerful engine on something landing on a low gravity surface?

 

[SBMech]

Some things to consider, copied from Masini
If science is all about questioning everything and always looking for proof, here's some critical thinking questions:
- This 50 million dollar pop up tent made of curtain rods and cellophane held a Lunar Rover and two men for like two weeks in the extreme vacuum of space? How?
- Didn't we just figure out how to land a rocket vertically a year ago?
- Why did they wrap everything, including the legs, with that cellophane?
- If they say that Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon, then why don't they give credit to the cameraman who was already there filming his landing on the moon?
- Did two guys really spend like two weeks packed in this pop-tent with a Lunar Rover on their lap?
- Do those space suites really protect the astronauts from the extreme vacuum of space; if so, how?
- Why would this timy space craft, which operates in very little gravity, need a giant 10,000 lb thrust rocket engine?
- Where's the blast crater left on the moon from this 10,000 lb thrust engine?
- Where does all the fuel for this 10,000 lb thrust rocket engine go, and how could there be room enough for a Lunar Lander with the crew in this tiny craft?
- Were they really able to live stream video and audio in real time from the moon without Satelites? If so, why haven't we been able to live stream video in real time accross the street until 40 years later?
- If they could live stream video and audio from the moon without satellites 40-50 years ago and remotely operate cameras from earth, then why didn't they send unmanned drones to the moon 50 years ago?
- If we have such powerful telescopes, why can't we see the American flag or any of the half dozen or so Lunar Rovers left on the moon; especially when we can see so many of the craters and moon surface details with the naked eye?

Thrust Capabilities:
Where's the blast crater left behind on the moon from this 10,000 thrust ascent engine of the Lunar Lander? Why don't we see any debris flying up from the low gravity surface of the moon when the Lunar Lander takes off of the several times the Lunar Landers have been to the moon? Why would they ever put such a ridiculously powerful engine on something landing on a low gravity surface?

What a bunch of absolute bullshit and misinformation.

All of these stupid fucking questions are answered and/or corrected here : https://www.nasa.gov/history/apollo-11-mission-overview/

For what it's worth, if this is where you are getting your info from, you should pick another god/religion....because everything in that C/P is wrong.


They spent 8 days in space for 1. All the other stupid assumptions and misinformation are corrected in the overview.

 

[sintax]

this is quickly turning into one of my favorite threads!!!

if we could toss in some blown v-drives in here it would be perfect!

 

[D19]

well when he fell down... he could of just called back to earth for some assistance.....


sorry Hippy...

I'm not a believer..... anymore...


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sorry Hippy...

I'm not a believer..... anymore...


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Space is one of the greatest lies of all time.

 

[rivermobster]

What a bunch of absolute bullshit and misinformation.

All of these stupid fucking questions are answered and/or corrected here : https://www.nasa.gov/history/apollo-11-mission-overview/

For what it's worth, if this is where you are getting your info from, you should pick another god/religion....because everything in that C/P is wrong.


They spent 8 days in space for 1. All the other stupid assumptions and misinformation are corrected in the overview.

Don't feed the trolls...

 

[hallett21]

Don't feed the trolls...

As a computer guy you have to admit there’s a pretty big disconnect between the “computers” of the 60s occupying full rooms and having the same computing power as a phone in the early 2000s.

But then simultaneously we had the tech to send video/audio signals 100,000s of miles. So good that POTUS had a phone call with the astronauts.

I don’t doubt we went (completely). But I think the video/audio was a full blown propaganda agenda. No one can explain NASA footage of astronauts getting picked up like they’re on cables lol.

 

[rivermobster]

As a computer guy you have to admit there’s a pretty big disconnect between the “computers” of the 60s occupying full rooms and having the same computing power as a phone in the early 2000s.

But then simultaneously we had the tech to send video/audio signals 100,000s of miles. So good that POTUS had a phone call with the astronauts.

I don’t doubt we went (completely). But I think the video/audio was a full blown propaganda agenda. No one can explain NASA footage of astronauts getting picked up like they’re on cables lol.

There is really no comparison to the technology back then vs. today.

Ever watch Hidden Figures?

Computers haven't always been required.

 

[hallett21]

There is really no comparison to the technology back then vs. today.

Ever watch Hidden Figures?

Computers haven't always been required.

Like I said landing and walking was one thing. Live broadcasting it is a whole different ball of wax lol.

 

[rivermobster]

Like I said landing and walking was one thing. Live broadcasting it is a whole different ball of wax lol.

The biggest reason I'm Sure it happened?

The Russians and the rest of the world would have called us out BIG time.

You know they were watching like hawks.

 

[Taboma]

As a computer guy you have to admit there’s a pretty big disconnect between the “computers” of the 60s occupying full rooms and having the same computing power as a phone in the early 2000s.

But then simultaneously we had the tech to send video/audio signals 100,000s of miles. So good that POTUS had a phone call with the astronauts.

I don’t doubt we went (completely). But I think the video/audio was a full blown propaganda agenda. No one can explain NASA footage of astronauts getting picked up like they’re on cables lol.

Oh please not you too, you're much smarter than this, and this discussion has now become far to painful to endure.

 

[buck35]

What is the speed of a transmitted signal?

 

[hallett21]

The biggest reason I'm Sure it happened?

The Russians and the rest of the world would have called us out BIG time.

You know they were watching like hawks.

At the time what could they watch? The launch and maybe the trip over to an extent. They couldn’t watch the landing, unless they did so we could have too?

In 1965 we lied our way into Vietnam lol. My only point is that we accept certain false flags but not others. Somehow the Moon is just a “Murica Fuck Ya” moment lol.

I believe we went landed and walked. But you’d be a terrible government if you didn’t hype the propaganda just a little.

Oh please not you too, you're much smarter than this, and this discussion has now become far to painful to endure.

I believe we landed there and walked around. I just have my doubts of how clean cut it was made to the public.

Apollo 16 footage shows a few instances that look like a middle school play lol.

At the very least filming Nixon talking to astronauts was a stretch. Those same astronauts are talking to mission control with a delay and using radio etiquette. Towards the end of the conversation Nixon and Armstrong have narrowed the delays to maybe less than 2 seconds.

Which is a hell of an accomplishment to radio to mission control and have them relay the message on a phone line that quickly.

 

[rivermobster]

At the time what could they watch? The launch and maybe the trip over to an extent. They couldn’t watch the landing, unless they did so we could have too?

In 1965 we lied our way into Vietnam lol. My only point is that we accept certain false flags but not others. Somehow the Moon is just a “Murica Fuck Ya” moment lol.

I believe we went landed and walked. But you’d be a terrible government if you didn’t hype the propaganda just a little.

I believe we landed there and walked around. I just have my doubts of how clean cut it was made to the public.

Apollo 16 footage shows a few instances that look like a middle school play lol.

At the very least filming Nixon talking to astronauts was a stretch. Those same astronauts are talking to mission control with a delay and using radio etiquette. Towards the end of the conversation Nixon and Armstrong have narrowed the delays to maybe less than 2 seconds.

Which is a hell of an accomplishment to radio to mission control and have them relay the message on a phone line that quickly.

They have always had more or less the same technology we have?

According to the interwebs, radio waves travel about the same speed as light. 270 million miles per hour!

The moon is roughly 240 thousand miles away.

Light takes 1.3 seconds to get to the moon.

So yeah, a roughly 2 second delay, would be about right?

Math hurts my head. So I looked all this shit up.

 

[rmarion]

Flat Earth Theism

US Air Force Pilot Speaks The Truth

t.me

don't YELL, get all BUTT HURT....
just do a little math....

pilot tells you the locations...


NASA wouldn't lie.

 

[bentprops]

The biggest reason I'm Sure it happened?

The Russians and the rest of the world would have called us out BIG time.

You know they were watching like hawks.

I used to think the same thing. Once you understand the Antarctic Agreement It makes more sense. The cliff notes version is almost all govermnts on the earth are working together against you and i. Have you already forgot 2020 C19 hoax?
Putin was a WEF young leader 1993 and just about every other leader today.

also see space agency symbols i provided in a earlier post.

 

[bentprops]

Flat Earth Theism

US Air Force Pilot Speaks The Truth

t.me

don't YELL, get all BUTT HURT....
just do a little math....

pilot tells you the locations...


NASA wouldn't lie.

Well since you took it there. Acourding to the Bible we live in a snow globe

 

[Roosky01]

whichever side you are on I think it all boils down to…

 

[rivermobster]

From ChatGPT:

Did the USA actually put a human on the moon?

Yes, the United States did land humans on the moon. The historic event took place during the Apollo program, specifically with the Apollo 11 mission. On July 20, 1969, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first and second humans to walk on the lunar surface. Armstrong's famous words as he stepped onto the moon, "That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind," are etched in history.

The Apollo program, conducted by NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration), included a total of six manned moon landings between 1969 and 1972. The other successful Apollo moon landings were Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16, and Apollo 17. These missions provided valuable scientific data, conducted experiments, and left a lasting impact on our understanding of the moon and space exploration.

Do we have proof of this?

Yes, there is a substantial amount of evidence supporting the fact that humans landed on the moon during the Apollo missions. Here are some key points:

1. **Photographic and Video Evidence:** The Apollo astronauts captured a vast number of photographs and videos during their missions. These images and footage show the lunar landscape, the lunar module, astronauts on the moon's surface, and various experiments being conducted.

2. **Moon Rocks:** The astronauts collected rock and soil samples during their missions, and these samples were brought back to Earth. The moon rocks have been extensively studied by scientists around the world and have unique characteristics that distinguish them from Earth rocks.

3. **Laser Reflectors:** Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions placed retroreflectors on the lunar surface. These devices reflect laser beams sent from Earth, providing a means to precisely measure the distance between the Earth and the Moon. Scientists continue to use these reflectors for ongoing lunar distance measurements.

4. **Independent Tracking:** The missions were tracked by various independent tracking stations around the world. Scientists and radio operators from different countries, including those not affiliated with NASA, were able to track the spacecraft as they traveled to the moon and back.

5. **Telemetry Data:** The telemetry data transmitted during the Apollo missions, including radio communications, biomedical data, and other technical information, was received and recorded by multiple ground stations. This data is consistent with the missions being conducted as reported.

6. **Eyewitness Accounts:** The thousands of people involved in the Apollo program, including astronauts, scientists, engineers, and mission control personnel, provide a substantial number of eyewitness accounts. These individuals have consistently affirmed the authenticity of the moon landings.

Conspiracy theories have emerged over the years, suggesting that the moon landings were hoaxes, but these claims have been thoroughly debunked by experts in various fields. The evidence supporting the moon landings is overwhelming and has withstood extensive scrutiny.



I had to go look up #3...

Lunar Laser Ranging experiments - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[hallett21]

From ChatGPT:

Did the USA actually put a human on the moon?

Yes, the United States did land humans on the moon. The historic event took place during the Apollo program, specifically with the Apollo 11 mission. On July 20, 1969, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first and second humans to walk on the lunar surface. Armstrong's famous words as he stepped onto the moon, "That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind," are etched in history.

The Apollo program, conducted by NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration), included a total of six manned moon landings between 1969 and 1972. The other successful Apollo moon landings were Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16, and Apollo 17. These missions provided valuable scientific data, conducted experiments, and left a lasting impact on our understanding of the moon and space exploration.

Do we have proof of this?

Yes, there is a substantial amount of evidence supporting the fact that humans landed on the moon during the Apollo missions. Here are some key points:

1. **Photographic and Video Evidence:** The Apollo astronauts captured a vast number of photographs and videos during their missions. These images and footage show the lunar landscape, the lunar module, astronauts on the moon's surface, and various experiments being conducted.

2. **Moon Rocks:** The astronauts collected rock and soil samples during their missions, and these samples were brought back to Earth. The moon rocks have been extensively studied by scientists around the world and have unique characteristics that distinguish them from Earth rocks.

3. **Laser Reflectors:** Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions placed retroreflectors on the lunar surface. These devices reflect laser beams sent from Earth, providing a means to precisely measure the distance between the Earth and the Moon. Scientists continue to use these reflectors for ongoing lunar distance measurements.

4. **Independent Tracking:** The missions were tracked by various independent tracking stations around the world. Scientists and radio operators from different countries, including those not affiliated with NASA, were able to track the spacecraft as they traveled to the moon and back.

5. **Telemetry Data:** The telemetry data transmitted during the Apollo missions, including radio communications, biomedical data, and other technical information, was received and recorded by multiple ground stations. This data is consistent with the missions being conducted as reported.

6. **Eyewitness Accounts:** The thousands of people involved in the Apollo program, including astronauts, scientists, engineers, and mission control personnel, provide a substantial number of eyewitness accounts. These individuals have consistently affirmed the authenticity of the moon landings.

Conspiracy theories have emerged over the years, suggesting that the moon landings were hoaxes, but these claims have been thoroughly debunked by experts in various fields. The evidence supporting the moon landings is overwhelming and has withstood extensive scrutiny.



I had to go look up #3...

Lunar Laser Ranging experiments - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Didn’t we build what is still considered the fastest airplane ever before we landed on the moon?

When did the SR71 become declassified? Meanwhile the Moon landings were the most authentic, on its face footages we’ve ever seen. Just for the good of the people lol.

We couldn’t disclose the worlds fastest airplane for decades. But hey guys we landed on the moon and filmed it with audio.

Another one, Area 51 is figured to have been built in 1955 but didn’t become “mainstream” until the 80s. They still send unmarked planes from Vegas to 51 and Edwards every day.

Edit. Actual Skunk Works is at Edwards now according to Wikipedia. Bet it’s mostly based there lol.

 

[hallett21]

Before we went to the moon the US government setup fake Russian corporations to obtain titanium to build the SR71.

But leaving the planet was completely public. History shows us the government hides a lot of stuff and lies about a bunch too.

 

[Roosky01]

I’m not saying we didn’t go to the moon. Just hard to fathom we could go to the moon and then lose a damn war following the feat…

 

[hallett21]

I’m not saying we didn’t go to the moon. Just hard to fathom we could go to the moon and then lose a damn war following the feat…

The one we fully faked an attack to get into? Lol

 

[rrrr]

I will say the discreet components in the original capsules would have a much better tolerance to the radiation than ic chips.

Actually the Apollo Guidance Computer was made with 100% IC chips of just one type.

By the time the Apollo program began to produce physical flight rated electronic equipment (early 1965), the silicon integrated circuit chip had been developed to the point where it was the primary component of the guidance and operating hardware of the spaceship. Packaged ICs using the familiar twin parallel rows of pins for circuit construction had only gone into production around late 1962. Philco, a subsidiary of Ford Motor Company, was the division of that corporation which made electronic components. They manufactured the chips for the AGC.

The first versions of the Apollo Guidance Computer, of which there was one each in the Command Module and Lunar Module (with different memory programs, i.e. software), used around 4,000 integrated circuit chips. It was one of the first central processing computers built with all silicon chips and no vacuum tubes.

That number was reduced in later versions due to improvements in programming language and the addition of other subsequently produced IC products. The overall use of IC devices in the development of electronics and the way in which they functioned resulted in industry's description of the discipline as transistor-transistor logic, or TTL.

Each chip had 2 three input NOR gates, a logic function. NOR gates, properly combined and arranged, can perform any Boolean logic operation, meaning they can comprise a complete central processing computer. Because of this capability, also possible with NAND gates, they are termed universal logic gates.

Logic gate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Here's a photo of NOR IC chips mounted on an arithmetic processing module of the AGC. There were four of these arithmetic modules in the computer, using a total of 240 chips:

A closeup of the chips:

This is a schematic of just one arithmetic bit in the module. It uses binary inputs from sensors, the keypad interface, and the computer memory (the symbols with two inputs) and NOR gates (the symbols with three inputs) to perform the function, which includes shift registers for moving decimal points.

The use of IC chips made the Apollo project possible. Discrete components would have made the complexity and weight of the hardware increase exponentially. It wouldn't have fit in the allocated spaces, and the calculated inherent unreliability of the required tens of thousands of individual devices revealed an unacceptable risk of failure that could cause loss of the vehicle and astronauts.

I'm familiar with the history of the AGC due to my interest in the American space program, which, for me and many of my contemporaries, began when I was still in elementary school. Because of my early 1990s participation in specifying, installing, and maintaining large data processing UPS systems, I gained functional knowledge of TTL and could diagnose and repair circuit boards with damaged ICs, so I have been able to educate myself about the AGC and its history.

That being said, like some of my other technical skills, the continuing progression of my brain turning to mush has caused me to forget just about everything I knew about the subject. Today I look at the circuit board schematics in the few books I've kept, and I might as well be looking at the Chinese language characters known as Kanji.

As a computer guy you have to admit there’s a pretty big disconnect between the “computers” of the 60s occupying full rooms and having the same computing power as a phone in the early 2000s.

But then simultaneously we had the tech to send video/audio signals 100,000s of miles. So good that POTUS had a phone call with the astronauts.

I don’t doubt we went (completely). But I think the video/audio was a full blown propaganda agenda. No one can explain NASA footage of astronauts getting picked up like they’re on cables lol.

It's OK to be skeptical, but don't ignore facts. If you're serious about knowing how it worked, just watch these videos. I've watched all 31 of them. It's all explained and demonstrated with actual Apollo hardware.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-_93BVApb58SXL-BCv4rVHL-8GuC2WGb&si=D_b5MUKb-x7rowrx

 

[spectras only]

watch this video about the Artemis mission to the moon.
Fast forward to 29 min mark.

 

[Taboma]

At the time what could they watch? The launch and maybe the trip over to an extent. They couldn’t watch the landing, unless they did so we could have too?

In 1965 we lied our way into Vietnam lol. My only point is that we accept certain false flags but not others. Somehow the Moon is just a “Murica Fuck Ya” moment lol.

I believe we went landed and walked. But you’d be a terrible government if you didn’t hype the propaganda just a little.

I believe we landed there and walked around. I just have my doubts of how clean cut it was made to the public.

Apollo 16 footage shows a few instances that look like a middle school play lol.

At the very least filming Nixon talking to astronauts was a stretch. Those same astronauts are talking to mission control with a delay and using radio etiquette. Towards the end of the conversation Nixon and Armstrong have narrowed the delays to maybe less than 2 seconds.

Which is a hell of an accomplishment to radio to mission control and have them relay the message on a phone line that quickly.

There is no real delay with a phone patch other than the brief switching from RX to TX and that depends if it's PTT (Push to talk) or VOC (Voice operated switch) there's no additional relaying involved.
However, in this case what you heard and saw was being recorded by Houston, then re-broadcast on various radio and TV networks. Not sure how you could come to any "Timing" conclusion with the various recording and re-transmitting variables.

 

[hallett21]

There is no real delay with a phone patch other than the brief switching from RX to TX and that depends if it's PTT (Push to talk) or VOC (Voice operated switch) there's no additional relaying involved.
However, in this case what you heard and saw was being recorded by Houston, then re-broadcast on various radio and TV networks. Not sure how you could come to any "Timing" conclusion with the various recording and re-transmitting variables.

If you watch the Nixon/Armstrong talk it starts with Houston “patching” Armstrong over to Nixon. I’m assuming the astronauts means of communication didn’t change and that the connection happened on earth.

But there’s a 3-5 second delay between Armstrong and Houston. It’s roughly the same when Nixon and Armstrong start talking. But by the end the delay is cut down to a normal phone call.

Given the feat of landing on the moon, communicating back home and trying to describe what you’re feeling. It sure seems like you could pre record a convo if needed lol.

It’s not that far fetched to think Nixon had 2 scripts. One for them landing on the moon and one for the American people if they blew up. It wouldn’t be that hard for Armstrong to radio in his end of the convo either.

I still say we went to the moon but with all of the military secrecy/deceit that we now know of for the time. It seems far fetched that we just went honest Able for landing on the moon.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If you watch the Nixon/Armstrong talk it starts with Houston “patching” Armstrong over to Nixon. I’m assuming the astronauts means of communication didn’t change and that the connection happened on earth.

But there’s a 3-5 second delay between Armstrong and Houston. It’s roughly the same when Nixon and Armstrong start talking. But by the end the delay is cut down to a normal phone call.

Given the feat of landing on the moon, communicating back home and trying to describe what you’re feeling. It sure seems like you could pre record a convo if needed lol.

It’s not that far fetched to think Nixon had 2 scripts. One for them landing on the moon and one for the American people if they blew up. It wouldn’t be that hard for Armstrong to radio in his end of the convo either.

I still say we went to the moon but with all of the military secrecy/deceit that we now know of for the time. It seems far fetched that we just went honest Able for landing on the moon.

Just as an FYI.. you are debating with people that think Kennedy was shot by a lone gunman less than a decade earlier because that’s what the government told them.

You are spot on, there were contingency plans for everything. Every effort was made to propagandize this event and effort.

 

[Taboma]

Just as an FYI.. you are debating with people that think Kennedy was shot by a lone gunman less than a decade earlier because that’s what the government told them.

You are spot on, there were contingency plans for everything. Every effort was made to propagandize this event and effort.

Of course they did. Just as does every other governmental, institutional and most all private entities down to and including people themselves. In NASA's case, the huge amount of taxpayer money. If it's the Coast Guard or Navy, the "Biggest ever" drug seizure.
Everybody is promoting something, unless of course it's those "Things" you're trying to keep hidden in the closet.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Of course they did. Just as does every other governmental, institutional and most all private entities down to and including people themselves. In NASA's case, the huge amount of taxpayer money. If it's the Coast Guard or Navy, the "Biggest ever" drug seizure.
Everybody is promoting something, unless of course it's those "Things" you're trying to keep hidden in the closet.

Yes. But we would have “went to the moon” if we went there or not is the point.

 

[hallett21]

Another wild number is that in 1969 Apollo 11 cost roughly 350 million. I know we throw around billions today but we weren’t spending money in the 60’s the way we are today.

Factoring in inflation we spent roughly 260 billion dollars (today’s money) to run the Apollo missions. Thats a lot of scratch to never have gone back. Nor has any other country put a man on the moon.

Meanwhile Space X is valued at 175 billion lol.

 

[Taboma]

Yes. But we would have “went to the moon” if we went there or not is the point.

Well that right there would have been an incredible accomplishment considering what that would have involved and how many would have been eliminated in order to preserve the secret.

So no, I don't agree.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well that right there would have been an incredible accomplishment considering what that would have involved and how many would have been eliminated in order to preserve the secret.

So no, I don't agree.

You mean like a government agency plotting to and then killing a sitting President and concealing it for 60+ years?

Like I just said, the government already proved earlier in the decade that it is capable of carrying out this kind of lie to the American people.

 

[hallett21]

You mean like a government agency plotting to and then killing a sitting President and concealing it for 60+ years?

Like I just said, the government already proved earlier in the decade that it is capable of carrying out this kind of lie to the American people.

Not to mention a standing “radical” president saying that declassifying the incident would be a threat to national security lol.

 

[JJ McClure]

and don’t forget, Americans bought the “magic bullet” theory…

 

[hallett21]

Well that right there would have been an incredible accomplishment considering what that would have involved and how many would have been eliminated in order to preserve the secret.

So no, I don't agree.

Area 51 and Skunk Works (just using them as examples) only became public knowledge because .Gov allowed it or because of “whistleblowers”.

There are still a lot of secrets that we don’t know about.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Not to mention a standing “radical” president saying that declassifying the incident would be a threat to national security lol.

RFK says if he wins, he’s declassifying all of it Day 1.

Honestly the government views that it would be a threat to national security, because it would probably mean a disbanding of the CIA as we know it.

Which of course any government agency being regulated, investigated, or disbanded will be called a threat to national security… by the national security apparatus

 

[bentprops]

You mean like a government agency plotting to and then killing a sitting President and concealing it for 60+ years?

Like I just said, the government already proved earlier in the decade that it is capable of carrying out this kind of lie to the American people.

ww2, Vitnaim, ruby ridge 1992, wako 1995, 911 2001, 2020 c19, 2021 -current gene therapy, LVS shooting, paridise fires, maui fires, hurricane Ian

 

[JJ McClure]

Didn’t Mr. Trump say the same thing before being elected? But was unable to for whatever reason?

But let’s not drag this into The Who Killed Kennedy weeds… back to the moon landing please.

The world at large, must have had suspicions about the moon landing being faked almost instantly. RE James Bond stealing a moon rover in 1971’s Diamonds Are Forever.

 

[Taboma]

Area 51 and Skunk Works (just using them as examples) only became public knowledge because .Gov allowed it or because of “whistleblowers”.

There are still a lot of secrets that we don’t know about.

I certainly friggin hope so, that's the whole point of "Secret Projects" and various levels of security classifications, be they governmental or private.
Some whistleblowers are credible, others have other personal motivations and some just think they know something.
I'm a believer in the principle of "Need to know basis", made familiar with it both in the military and in my civilian environments.

 

[PlanB]

Actually the Apollo Guidance Computer was made with 100% IC chips of just one type.

By the time the Apollo program began to produce physical flight rated electronic equipment (early 1965), the silicon integrated circuit chip had been developed to the point where it was the primary component of the guidance and operating hardware of the spaceship. Packaged ICs using the familiar twin parallel rows of pins for circuit construction had only gone into production around late 1962. Philco, a subsidiary of Ford Motor Company, was the division of that corporation which made electronic components. They manufactured the chips for the AGC.

The first versions of the Apollo Guidance Computer, of which there was one each in the Command Module and Lunar Module (with different memory programs, i.e. software), used around 4,000 integrated circuit chips. It was one of the first central processing computers built with all silicon chips and no vacuum tubes.

That number was reduced in later versions due to improvements in programming language and the addition of other subsequently produced IC products. The overall use of IC devices in the development of electronics and the way in which they functioned resulted in industry's description of the discipline as transistor-transistor logic, or TTL.

Each chip had 2 three input NOR gates, a logic function. NOR gates, properly combined and arranged, can perform any Boolean logic operation, meaning they can comprise a complete central processing computer. Because of this capability, also possible with NAND gates, they are termed universal logic gates.

Logic gate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Here's a photo of NOR IC chips mounted on an arithmetic processing module of the AGC. There were four of these arithmetic modules in the computer, using a total of 240 chips:

A closeup of the chips:

This is a schematic of just one arithmetic bit in the module. It uses binary inputs from the computer memory (the symbols with two inputs) and NOR gates (the symbols with three inputs) to perform the function, which includes shift registers for moving decimal points.

The use of IC chips made the Apollo project possible. Discrete components would have made the complexity and weight of the hardware increase exponentially. It wouldn't have fit in the allocated spaces, and the calculated inherent unreliability of the required tens of thousands of individual devices revealed an unacceptable risk of failure that could cause loss of the vehicle and astronauts.

I'm familiar with the history of the AGC due to my interest in the American space program, which, for me and many of my contemporaries, began when I was still in elementary school. Because of my early 1990s participation in specifying, installing, and maintaining large data processing UPS systems, I gained functional knowledge of TTL and could diagnose and repair circuit boards with damaged ICs, so I have been able to educate myself about the AGC and its history.

That being said, like some of my other technical skills, the continuing progression of my brain turning to mush has caused me to forget just about everything I knew about the subject. Today I look at the circuit board schematics in the few books I've kept, and I might as well be looking at the Chinese language characters known as Kanji.



It's OK to be skeptical, but don't ignore facts. If you're serious about knowing how it worked, just watch these videos. I've watched all 31 of them. It's all explained and demonstrated with actual Apollo hardware.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-_93BVApb58SXL-BCv4rVHL-8GuC2WGb&si=D_b5MUKb-x7rowrx

My grandfather worked on the Apollo program. These are some chips that were used. My father had this stuff framed for my grandfather.

 

[SBMech]

At the time what could they watch? The launch and maybe the trip over to an extent. They couldn’t watch the landing, unless they did so we could have too?

In 1965 we lied our way into Vietnam lol. My only point is that we accept certain false flags but not others. Somehow the Moon is just a “Murica Fuck Ya” moment lol.

I believe we went landed and walked. But you’d be a terrible government if you didn’t hype the propaganda just a little.

I believe we landed there and walked around. I just have my doubts of how clean cut it was made to the public.

Apollo 16 footage shows a few instances that look like a middle school play lol.

At the very least filming Nixon talking to astronauts was a stretch. Those same astronauts are talking to mission control with a delay and using radio etiquette. Towards the end of the conversation Nixon and Armstrong have narrowed the delays to maybe less than 2 seconds.

Which is a hell of an accomplishment to radio to mission control and have them relay the message on a phone line that quickly.

Dude.

Purely from a power standpoint, it's easily done, radio waves and TV signals can be boosted to unreal scopes of power.

"In 1936, the Olympic Games in Berlin benefited from the first television coverage. These broadcasts could be seen in specially equipped rooms, allowing more than 162,000 people in all to follow the competitions outside the stadium, but in close proximity. At the 1948 Olympic Games in London, television came into people’s living rooms, allowing 500,000 people to follow the competitions up to 200km away from the actual event."

By the late 60's world wide color tv signals were being broadcast. In 1969 a focused signal could easily be sent to Earth. Radio is even more powerful.

The facts are out there, you just need to find them. I don't fucking trust much of the government either, but I am positive we landed on the moon.

 

[spectras only]

The world at large, must have had suspicions about the moon landing being faked almost instantly. RE James Bond stealing a moon rover in 1971’s Diamonds Are Forever.

The Chinese are feverishly working on their Moon program to set up a base up there, and for a reason alone, to discredit the US, to find anything on the surface of the Moon, left by astronauts. Sadly, they stole enough technology from the west to succeed to do so in the near future. Worked with a lot of Chineese in the tech sector and I'm famiiar with their mindset. They want to mow down the world and will succeed, unless the whole world wake up and do something about it.
They had the audacity to blast the US recently for its recon plane flying through the South China Sea, hundreds of miles from their shores, yet flying their balloons across the country passing by, let go by the administration! That balloon should have been taken out near Alaska, or the Northern Canadian airspace before entering the US.

 

[rrrr]

My grandfather worked on the Apollo program. These are some chips that were used. My father had this stuff framed for my grandfather.

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That's outrageously cool. Raytheon was responsible for agglomerating the hundreds of suppliers along with providing the engineering and manufacturing muscle to build the Apollo Guidance Computer. It's really nice your dad put together that display so your grandfather's memories of being involved in one of the greatest feats in man's history are preserved.

 

[Racey]

watch this video about the Artemis mission to the moon.
Fast forward to 29 min mark.

NASA has completely run amok.

 

[hallett21]

Dude.

Purely from a power standpoint, it's easily done, radio waves and TV signals can be boosted to unreal scopes of power.

"In 1936, the Olympic Games in Berlin benefited from the first television coverage. These broadcasts could be seen in specially equipped rooms, allowing more than 162,000 people in all to follow the competitions outside the stadium, but in close proximity. At the 1948 Olympic Games in London, television came into people’s living rooms, allowing 500,000 people to follow the competitions up to 200km away from the actual event."

By the late 60's world wide color tv signals were being broadcast. In 1969 a focused signal could easily be sent to Earth. Radio is even more powerful.

The facts are out there, you just need to find them. I don't fucking trust much of the government either, but I am positive we landed on the moon.

The Westinghouse Camera drew 7 watts. Average cellphone today uses 4-6ish. Now I’ll assume the lander used extra power to send the signal back.

So let’s say that’s all legit. How could it come back “live”? There would have to be a decent delay no?

Which then circles back to the Nixon/Armstrong phone call. Speed of light says it takes 1.5ish seconds to transmit the signal. So it makes sense that there’s delays between Houston and the lander.

But if you watch the footage Nixon starts talking to Neil like they’re just on the phone. I imagine that Neil’s signal is sent to earth and then transmitted in some way to a phone line (more time). Or a guy in Houston was holding his headset to the phone?

I don’t doubt we landed there.

 

[Taboma]

The Westinghouse Camera drew 7 watts. Average cellphone today uses 4-6ish. Now I’ll assume the lander used extra power to send the signal back.

So let’s say that’s all legit. How could it come back “live”? There would have to be a decent delay no?

Which then circles back to the Nixon/Armstrong phone call. Speed of light says it takes 1.5ish seconds to transmit the signal. So it makes sense that there’s delays between Houston and the lander.

But if you watch the footage Nixon starts talking to Neil like they’re just on the phone. I imagine that Neil’s signal is sent to earth and then transmitted in some way to a phone line (more time). Or a guy in Houston was holding his headset to the phone?

I don’t doubt we landed there.

That settles it, I'm now convinced you're no sparky, you're another damned Roofer.

 

[hallett21]

That settles it, I'm now convinced you're no sparky, you're another damned Roofer.

Lol . To think that no part of the Apollo missions was a PR stunt is naive imo.

Take a look at NASA itself. The USA helped move Nazi scientists to South America (via the Vatican) and then brought them here so that we’d have a leg up on the Russians. You’re telling me those same people 20 years later went legit?

I don’t doubt that we went, landed etc. I just doubt the story we’re told.

 

[EmpirE231]

another rabbit hole that I do not even have time to consider..

The nuclear / atomic bomb testing videos we've all seen where things disintegrate, houses blown away etc.

Joe Rogan had someone on the podcast and were going over it.... holy crap, talk about looking so fake and staged. They question how did the camera's survive, the movement of the dust etc, a car that magically disappears before the blast etc

I've just seen and heard enough to question just about everything at this point in my life.

 

[Taboma]

Lol . To think that no part of the Apollo missions was a PR stunt is naive imo.

Take a look at NASA itself. The USA helped move Nazi scientists to South America (via the Vatican) and then brought them here so that we’d have a leg up on the Russians. You’re telling me those same people 20 years later went legit?

I don’t doubt that we went, landed etc. I just doubt the story we’re told.

Did you read what I contributed above ?? I agreed they were promoting the shit out of the program, before, during and after. Hell yes they were, for the same reason EVERYBODY is promoting something, for $$$$$ or in their case, continued funding.

Did they confide in every detail, unlikely unless it served to PROMOTE something.

Now you're switching gears to suggesting that German or Russian scientists are conducing secret nefarious and hideous experiments they've deeply and secretly been harboring since they left their home countries ???

The X-Nazi soldiers I had the privilege of working with while in Germany were great guys and all had served time in an American POW camp.
I'm sure many of them performed the same ugly acts many of us soldiers were tasked with, but the vast majority don't come home with secret desires to kill our fellow citizens, nor did they. The worst those old guys came home with was a strong desire for American Cigarettes.


Don't you have some shingles to nail down. Get ahold of rmarion, you need some schoolin son (Sorry couldn't resist),