Depressing Photos of Lake Nacimiento...

[Tank]

I don't think it's useable yet. I think I've only seen 1 person use it ever. I've never had an issue launching when. The water is above the ramp. I didn't have an issue launching my uncle's wakeboard boat either when the water was up there.

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Ah.

A few years back (before they even built that little side ramp) we had some issues getting the cigarette launched because the water was up over the actual ramp drop. Had to back the truck way down in water that was up to the frame rails until the boat finally floated. When we loaded it I actually just walked it up the parking lot to the trailer with the drives up LOL

 

[DGRAY75]

Off subject a bit, But Tank were you a cop in ventura at one point?

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Ah.

A few years back (before they even built that little side ramp) we had some issues getting the cigarette launched because the water was up over the actual ramp drop. Had to back the truck way down in water that was up to the frame rails until the boat finally floated. When we loaded it I actually just walked it up the parking lot to the trailer with the drives up LOL

Yeah, it's pretty flat but there is still enough slope that most trucks can launch and retrieve most boats without issue.

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[Tank]

Looks like the main marina camp grounds are well under water!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

If you look at this top picture from January 18th, there is a small lone tree on that low ridge in front of the ramp. In the bottom picture from this afternoon, you can see that same tree..... In the water.

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[H2O]

If you look at this top picture from January 18th, there is a small lone tree on that low ridge in front of the ramp. In the bottom picture from this afternoon, you can see that same tree..... In the water. View attachment 737422

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YES!!

Now sneak over to the dam at night and figure out a way to plug up that damn outlet pipe...

 

[Flying_Lavey]

YES!!

Now sneak over to the dam at night and figure out a way to plug up that damn outlet pipe...

Haha! Yeah really.

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[DGRAY75]

I tested a boat out there on mon.. So excited for this summer..

 

[Fenderbender]

Sweet!! @Flying_Lavey might need to get up there with Nick late summer!

 

[Tank]

I tested a boat out there on mon.. So excited for this summer..
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Much crap floating around Donald?

 

[DGRAY75]

ya it was pretty bad but the wind came up later in the day and blew a lot of it to shore. A month or so and it will be cleaned up..

 

[Tank]

ya it was pretty bad but the wind came up later in the day and blew a lot of it to shore. A month or so and it will be cleaned up..

Floating trees and shit always scare me. That will ruin your day ripping a drive off.

It always goes to shore pretty quick at Naci though.

Did you launch from the main marina? Water up to the restaurant or what?

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Sweet!! @Flying_Lavey might need to get up there with Nick late summer!

Late Summer and might? WTF? That better be early summer and for sure! Lol!

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[DGRAY75]

still not to store yet, but we got a lot of rain tue and wed.. she is full for sure..you going to make it up here this year Tank?

 

[Tank]

still not to store yet, but we got a lot of rain tue and wed.. she is full for sure..you going to make it up here this year Tank?

Yea. We’ll get up there at LEAST once this summer. Hopefully more. If / when we do I’ll be sure to give you a heads up see if you’re around.

 

[Fenderbender]

Late Summer and might? WTF? That better be early summer and for sure! Lol!

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We will! haha. We already have 3 trips planned 5 days each.. Late July might work too though.

 

[Minimatt]

Anybody else notice MCWRA has tripled the daily release volume this week?

 

[4Waters]

Anybody else notice MCWRA has tripled the daily release volume this week?

Normal, the lake will be below 50% by the end of june.

 

[milkmoney]

I would like to tow my shit box up there and try it out. But that is a long haul from parker ...[emoji41][emoji202]

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[Tank]

I would like to tow my shit box up there and try it out. But that is a long haul from parker ...[emoji41][emoji202]

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Shit, lets do this!

 

[milkmoney]

Shit, lets do this!

Easy for you to say. Lol. [emoji41][emoji202]

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[Tank]

Easy for you to say. Lol. [emoji41][emoji202]

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It's super easy for me to type. Indeed.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Anybody else notice MCWRA has tripled the daily release volume this week?

I just saw that. Looks like they closed it back down today. I'm guessing it was in anticipation of that storm we had roll through last night. We did get a pretty decent amount of rain. I was surprised.

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[jetboatperformance]

Hmmmm a lot of debris , better stock up on pump parts for my locals

 

[Tank]

Recent updates:


NRWMAC NEWSLETTER
May 18, 2019


NRWMAC VS Monterey County

The Nacimiento Regional Water Management Advisory Committee (NRWMAC) lawsuit filed against Monterey County, the Monterey County Board of Supervisors, Monterey County Water Resources Agency, marches on. The suit alleges that the defendants violated their obligation to operate Lake Nacimiento Reservoir in such a way so as to provide sufficient water levels for recreation. The suit further alleges the defendants did not provide all the documents responsive to a Public Records Act request and court filings related to the lake.

The lawsuit may be reviewed on NRWMAC's website
www.nrwmac.org/knowledge-base

NRWMAC also lodged a complaint with the California Environmental Protection Agency alleging that MCWRA diverted more water from Lake Nacimiento than permitted by the State of California, which limits withdrawal of water from the lake to 180,000 acre-feet per year.

NRWMAC will provide updates as possible during the lawsuit and the investigation of the environmental complaints. At this time we can say that because of the lawsuit, Monterey county has asked to conduct negotiation meetings to help find resolutions, however at this time the lawsuit is still moving forward.

The Recreation Component...

The Monterey County Flood Control and Water Conservation District ('District'), the predecessor to MCWRA, built Nacimiento Reservoir in the mid-1950's for recreation, flood control and water conservation. In order to begin construction, the District first had to condemn and take private properties in and around the reservoir site by eminent domain. (The District had eminent domain powers under the Monterey County Flood Control and Water Conservation District Act ("Act")). At that time, SLO County Supervisors approved the eminent domain by Monterey County because they were paying to have the dam built on SLO County property.

In relevant part, the Act gave the District the power to condemn "lands deemed by the supervisors of the district to be necessary or convenient for the installation, construction, use and maintenance of recreational areas or facilities including picnic grounds, play grounds, camp grounds, home sites, boats and fishing, bathing or other facilities for use by the public..."(Emphasis supplied.) Thus, the provision of recreation at the reservoir was key to allowing the construction to commence.

These proceedings provide the basis for the 'Recreational Portion' of Lake Nacimiento and the removal or diminishing of this component invalidates Monterey's Eminent Domain claims and provides a strong case for overturning the Eminent Domain proceedings.

Simply put, Monterey County based recreational support at the lake as an equal right to take land, and they must continue to support recreation or they can be faced with invalidating their right to that land.







Let's be very clear about the water...

In California, water is protected for the use and benefit of all Californians. California's waters cannot be owned by individuals, groups, businesses, or governmental agencies.And permits, licenses, and registrations give individuals and others the right to beneficially use reasonable amounts of water.

Monterey County was provided a grant in 1958 on their application of developing a first class recreation area at Lake Nacimiento, making a long term promise to promote and develop recreational facilities at Lake Nacimiento.

Monterey County was again licensed in August of 1964 with a statement of purpose of "Recreational use at Lake Nacimiento Reservoir within San Luis Obispo County and irrigation, domestic, municipal, industrial and recreational uses within an area of Monterey County".

And again in 1996 Monterey County applied for and was granted Permit # 21089, subject to prior rights that authorized purposes for using the water for irrigation, industrial, municipal, recreation and domestic use.

There is no "Percentage of" listed in those rights. There is no "group" that owns the water... all five interests share the water interest, and all five interests are entitled to it.

MCWRA Release Schedule

NRWMAC's Lawsuit and the recent rains have had some success at slowing the releases. While the current Lake Nacimiento water release schedule is still published as 'a working document' according to MCWRA, they are now claiming that the current release schedule will provide for the lake levels to be at or 'very near' 757ft by Labor Day. The current MCRWA release schedule can be viewed at

http://nrwmac.org/knowledge-base/mcrwa-release-schedule-april-25-2019/


NOAA Suspends Biological Opinion

NOAA, (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) The agency that decrees the amount of water that must be released for fish and habitat has suspended their latest Biological Opinion do to lawsuits and several interested groups asking for proof of the release requirements.

Unfortunately, Monterey County Water Resources Agency (MCWRA), has stated they will maintain the NOAA B.O. Release schedule until there has been a court verdict or a new NOAA B.O. has been updated and released.


Making a Difference

With the increased pressure that NRWMAC has been applying, Monterey County Parks has purchased 20 new navigational buoy's (with lights!), to replace bad or missing buoy's, and as soon as they arrive will be installed. We dont have exact dates or locations for the buoys, but we should be seeing them installed shortly.

Additionally, while ranger staffing hasnt really been increased, safety concerns are being discussed and additional officer presence on the lake, in addition to more ranger presence has been added for this summer.

We are also being told that the Park Management maintenance and upkeep of lake areas and facilities is, and will continue to be a priority, with the latest planning of making Lake Nacimiento a first class Lake side resort.









Firewise in Our Communities

A large shout out to Firewise for their continued efforts for helping out at the lake. In case you didnt realize, Firewise provides fire safe training, outreach and a collaborative action to help our communities defend against the ravages of fire. The Firewise council has also secured grants to pay for road side clearing and additional clearing services to help prevent fires. Please support them by attending local Firewise events.


Lake Communities Get Involved!

NRWMAC's lawsuit against Monterey County Water Resources is the start of the correction of this dire situation that has gone on too long, and will force Monterey County to adopt a recreation plan that will protect all aspects of recreation in the future for the rights of lake owners and recreational users.

And the Lake Nacimiento communities are stepping up and helping collect funds for this effort. The Oak Shores NRWMAC event was epic, and this month Heritage Ranch hosted their NRWMAC event as well. Cal Shasta is also hosting a NRWMAC event, and many other other clubs have contributed, have hosted, or are planning on hosting events to help funding needs.


Help NRWMAC Save The Dragon

"Save The Dragon" is not simply a turn of phrase; it's a fervent plea for help. Lake Nacimiento is not going to save itself from Monterey County's mismanagement. Without a court's intervention, Monterey County is not going to realize the error of its profligate ways and turn off the drain spigot all by itself.

NRWMAC's lawsuit against Monterey County Water Resources is the start of the correction of this dire situation that has gone on too long, and will force Monterey County to adopt a recreation plan that will protect all aspects of recreation in the future for the rights of lake owners and recreational users. However, this litigation will require funding support from all lake property owners and enthusiasts to make this happen.

NRWMAC's GoFundMe legal campaign, with your contributions, has raised over $150,000 and we are grateful to all of those who have contributed. Being the primary source of funding for these legal efforts, we need everyone's help. Now more than ever your donation will make a difference.

Please share, forward and circulate this newsletter with your friends, family and anyone you know that uses or cares about the lake, wildlife, and future of the lake tell everyone you know why their funding support is so critically important right now, and to please donate today.

If you value your recreation, water quality, way of life and property values, please donate today - even if you have previously donated.

If you prefer you can privately donate using the nrwmac.org link below, or mail a check to NRWMAC at P.O. Box 398, Paso Robles, CA 93447.

For more information, updates and donations please go to our website,www.NRWMAC.orgor directly to the GoFundMe location atwww.gofundme.com/lake-nacimiento-save-the-dragon.


New NRWMAC Apparel has Arrived!

The latest styles and colors are showing at NRWMAC. We have beanies back in stock by popular demand! And we have added Grey and Teal colors to many different styles. Look for our new Ladies shirts in Teal. And the new sweat shirts ( "hoodies"), Tanks and t-shirts in gray! And the new two color hats Khaki / Green and Blue / White as well!

All the latest apparel will be out in full force for Memorial day at Running Deer, Oak Shores, Heritage Ranch, Cal Shasta and other lakeside communities and NRWMAC events! Please support these groups and their efforts, proceeds go to helping fund the NRWMAC lawsuit. (and if you miss them in person... the latest apparel styles and colors will be on the web site shortly as well!)


Thank you for your support

We wish to thank everyone that supports NRWMAC, and as everyone continues to come up with more ways to help, we need everyone to get involved. NRWMAC needs volunteers to help with getting the word out, donations, sign-ups, handouts, information booths, fund raisers, t-shirt sales, and help at functions and events.

You can help the effort by donating time, dollars, purchasing merchandise or signing up for events atwww.nrwmac.org/get-involved.






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[H2O]

WTF is up at the Lake???

The "Special Release Notification" states they will be releasing 45 CFS through June 30th. Every time I check they are still releasing +/- 10 times that amount!! Whats to goal? Drain the Lake by Fourth of July?

Or is the "Release Notification" off by a decimal point?

I know you are out of there FL, but have you heard anything?

 

[hallett21]

Camping there mid July. There better be water in there!


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[brgrcru]

what's with the rv camping at naci ?
called to go for a few days.
they have no spots close to the water?
you have to take a car down, to lake?
kind of hard to do when you have Rv.

guess why we went to the dirt pit for a few times.
is the north shore open for camping at lake San Antonio?
is it even worth it?

 

[77charger]

what's with the rv camping at naci ?
called to go for a few days.
they have no spots close to the water?
you have to take a car down, to lake?
kind of hard to do when you have Rv.

guess why we went to the dirt pit for a few times.
is the north shore open for camping at lake San Antonio?
is it even worth it?

They have one campground near water last I went it was first come it's a minute or 2 walk to the beach. They had others where I think reservable but those were definitely further away from water.

 

[Tank]

Trying to drag the cig up there next weekend. How it works out.

 

[ROBINSON]

We will be up there in 2 weeks, why do they let so much water out so quickly? Seems like it only lasted a year after all the rain in early 17’, last year it got pretty dam low towards the end of summer.


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[Flying_Lavey]

WTF is up at the Lake???

The "Special Release Notification" states they will be releasing 45 CFS through June 30th. Every time I check they are still releasing +/- 10 times that amount!! Whats to goal? Drain the Lake by Fourth of July?

Or is the "Release Notification" off by a decimal point?

I know you are out of there FL, but have you heard anything?

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They have started overly explaining things. The 45 CFS I believe is from their diversion dam down stream.

This is all SOP for Monterey County. Release a shit load and pray we have a wet winter next.

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[G. Faulk]

Trying to drag the cig up there next weekend. How it works out.

Same here Honey, I'll look for ya.

 

[G. Faulk]

They have started overly explaining things. The 45 CFS I believe is from their diversion dam down stream.

This is all SOP for Monterey County. Release a shit load and pray we have a wet winter next.

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Fucking Bullshit... You around next weekend?

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Fucking Bullshit... You around next weekend?

Nope. Moving to Tucson on Friday.

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[Tank]

Well, here we go again. By the time it rains in Naci I'm betting the water will be lower than its been in recent history. It was super low about 3 years ago but not this early in the summer.

This is Heritage ramp, marina and the cove leading into Heritage ramp. crazy low.

 

[SBMech]

Criminal what they do to the water levels there.

Nothing new however, the state agencies have been draining everything, every year to continue to try to force everyone onto state water.

So much fuckery.

 

[hallett21]

I thought that lawsuit got some traction to fight this BS? From what I heard they were dumping water at full throttle knowing they would run out.

I understand they need to farm. But what good does it do when the lake is empty? Then what?


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[rivermobster]

I thought that lawsuit got some traction to fight this BS? From what I heard they were dumping water at full throttle knowing they would run out.

I understand they need to farm. But what good does it do when the lake is empty? Then what?


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I'm not 100 percent positive here, but I think they use the water from the lake to refill the underground aquifers.

The Azusa canyon reservoirs are used for the same thing. They drain the lakes to refill the underground water tables.

You can see all the holding ponds right off the 605. You can see the water table levels in the mining pits a bit south.

It's the water you don't see that counts the most.

 

[Havasu blue label]

The only water I see on the 605 is the homeless campgrounds and crackheads sitting in the sun

 

[Lumpy]

Up until last week they were dumping over 420cfs out of Naci. I was there on July 16th, it was 19%. By the time I got home on the 18th it was 17%.
About June 13th they shut it down to about 60cfs. Currently its 15%. 420cfs is over 3000 gallons per second...that will fill most swimming pools in the U.S. in 4.5 seconds.

I'm not 100 percent positive here, but I think they use the water from the lake to refill the underground aquifers.

The Azusa canyon reservoirs are used for the same thing. They drain the lakes to refill the underground water tables.

You can see all the holding ponds right off the 605. You can see the water table levels in the mining pits a bit south.

It's the water you don't see that counts the most.

You are partially correct.
Monterey County is ran by a bunch of greedy, cocksucking, goatfucking, sons of bitches.
They don't give a rats ass about the aquifers...that water is being ponded, sold to big farm and the food is being sold over seas.
A big portion of their expenses are be subsidized by guess who?

 

[rivermobster]

Up until last week they were dumping over 420cfs out of Naci. I was there on July 16th, it was 19%. By the time I got home on the 18th it was 17%.
About June 13th they shut it down to about 60cfs. Currently its 15%. 420cfs is over 3000 gallons per second...that will fill most swimming pools in the U.S. in 4.5 seconds.



You are partially correct.
Monterey County is ran by a bunch of greedy, cocksucking, goatfucking, sons of bitches.
They don't give a rats ass about the aquifers...that water is being ponded, sold to big farm and the food is being sold over seas.
A big portion of their expenses are be subsidized by guess who?

I think this same program was discussed in 2FF's thread. The farmers have to use their allocations, of loose them.

Makes sense that it works the same way up there.

But what's weird is...

The farmers built the dam themselves! So since it's basically their water...

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I think this same program was discussed in 2FF's thread. The farmers have to use their allocations, of loose them.

Makes sense that it works the same way up there.

But what's weird is...

The farmers built the dam themselves! So since it's basically their water...

[emoji1745]

They don't lose them. The farms along the Salinas River have grandfathered in water rights that are crazy high. Like damn near whatever they want amounts.

I think they are attempting to keep the water low to get the go ahead to put the transfer pipe in to San Antonio where they have FAR less opposition to their water usages and its whole in their county. There is a TON of bullshit and lying going on from the Monterey side as to how much and when they are letting out water. There have been MANY times where the USGS river flow meters down stream of the dam do not equal what is being released.

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[SamMaxco]

The average semi intelligent working person that enjoys boating, or fishing or watering his lawn, really can’t be imagine just how dirty, corrupt and controlled the water is in central California. The entire middle of the state. You can throw all the stated rules and regulations and conservation bullshit right out the door. It comes down to a very few incredibly powerful companies/ families that have for years maintained the very best and most powerful law firms and lobbyists in the state to write and manipulate the usage and controls. They have had the pleasure of slicing up the water the exact way they want to. The bottom line that all should know is that the elite of California control the water and have for decades. They have stolen it legally. The have it to sell, x amount to So Cal and x amount to the Bay Area. Nor Cal needs it so tbey can literally flush their sewage /shit out of the bay and deeper into the ocean because they’re too fucking stupid and corrupt to have proper management of their own water for decades. So cal uses it flush their toilets and drink it. But for all the corruption working together in the north, with the south powers that be, the middle of California would have all the water we could ever need or want. For agriculture and recreation. We had no representation when it really mattered and the pie was divided up between the north and south back in the early 60’s, very quietly. It’s got nothing to do with rain, drought or agriculture or some fucking little fish lie, it’s all about power and control and we don’t have any.
a great place to start would be getting rid of that piece of shit Governor for starters.

 

[rivermobster]

They don't lose them. The farms along the Salinas River have grandfathered in water rights that are crazy high. Like damn near whatever they want amounts.

I think they are attempting to keep the water low to get the go ahead to put the transfer pipe in to San Antonio where they have FAR less opposition to their water usages and its whole in their county. There is a TON of bullshit and lying going on from the Monterey side as to how much and when they are letting out water. There have been MANY times where the USGS river flow meters down stream of the dam do not equal what is being released.

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From doing a bunch of homework last time this came up...

It looks like the farmers themselves paid for the dam that creates Naci.

So let's say you and I built that dam. I would think you and I would have the final say on how it's used, since you and I paid for it?

I'd be pissed if someone came along and told me how I had to use something I built with my own money!

Just the way I look it is all.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

From doing a bunch of homework last time this came up...

It looks like the farmers themselves paid for the dam that creates Naci.

So let's say you and I built that dam. I would think you and I would have the final say on how it's used, since you and I paid for it?

I'd be pissed if someone came along and told me how I had to use something I built with my own money!

Just the way I look it is all.

They may have funded it, but there are a BOAT load of regulations and requirements for operation from the state and various other agencies that had to be approved and agreed to before the construction could even happen.

And really, what this TRULY comes down to is too many people trying to make a seasonal river (Salinas river is ONLY fed from storm run-off, no snow pack to feed it) into a perennial one. Doing so is NOT natural and causes the lake to fluctuate to the extreme levels that it does.

 

[rivermobster]

They may have funded it, but there are a BOAT load of regulations and requirements for operation from the state and various other agencies that had to be approved and agreed to before the construction could even happen.

And really, what this TRULY comes down to is too many people trying to make a seasonal river (Salinas river is ONLY fed from storm run-off, no snow pack to feed it) into a perennial one. Doing so is NOT natural and causes the lake to fluctuate to the extreme levels that it does.

Absolutely True story.

And I'll bet only 10 percent of the current regulations were in place when they built that dam!

I'd tell them bastards to F off. And go build your own dam if you don't like mine!

One of the other things I dug up was...

The mountains above that dam get the most rain in all of CA. The lake will always be back.

 

[77charger]

Absolutely True story.

And I'll bet only 10 percent of the current regulations were in place when they built that dam!

I'd tell them bastards to F off. And go build your own dam if you don't like mine!

One of the other things I dug up was...

The mountains above that dam get the most rain in all of CA. The lake will always be back.

After a few good days of rain that lake can come up 8ft overnight.Doesnt take long to fill unlike other lakes

 

[Minimatt]

So let's say you and I built that dam. I would think you and I would have the final say on how it's used, since you and I paid for it?

I'd be pissed if someone came along and told me how I had to use something I built with my own money!

Just the way I look it is all.

When the developers (farmers) sought to build the damn, SLO county agreed to permit construction/operation (and to take land by eminent domain) on the condition that a first-class recreational facility (among many other conditions) be provided. Those conditions are in perpetuity. If the farmers did not want to, or were unable to meet that condition (or any other condition), they shouldn't have built the dam.

 

[hallett21]

So the water is for aquifers or farming?


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