Anyone tow "heavy" with a 2014-2017 Silverado 1500 ?

[Bigbore500r]

My 07 halfton vmax had more horsepower than the same year 2500 gas chevy truck..... so this is not true!

Allow me to geek out for second Brian. I've towed my boat behind your old NNBS Vortec Max 1500, and with my current NBS 2500HD. Whats interesting is that my '07 2500 with the LQ4 (less HP / TQ) than your Vortec Max NNBS, pulls way harder.

The reason is that the L92 heads your motor came equipped with are huge, and make big power upstairs. But we don't tow above 4000rpm (i dont anyway) and it isn't until 4000rpm that those heads match or exceed the cathedral port 317 head equipped motor's power. Below that the old LQ4 is holding a higher torque curve. The newer DI motors (both 5.3 and 6.2 models) actually have smaller ports than the L92 headed motors. They've figured out how to keep flow up with less runner volume, which boosts low end torque. Combine that with the over 11:1 compression ratio the DI motors run, and they are torque monsters compared to the 07-14 generation 6.0's

 

[Bigbore500r]

I have bought 2 trucks from Jason Holley in the last 2 weeks and one of them has a6.2 and it is rocket ship !!!!!!!!

Almost the exact same motor as the 6.2L vette and camaro. It's a monster in stock form

 

[Bigbore500r]

I have a 16 1500 4x4 LTZ with the 6.2l ecotec and 8 speed trans and it tows great. Per your family needs it would be a great choice. If you want to try it out, hit me up and you can drive my truck with your trailer and see for yourself.

I may have to do this! Where are you located?

 

[Bigbore500r]

I just checked Selman website. They have a nice 2017 with 6.2 High country for $40K sticker is $60K. Give Jason a text.

Must be sold already, I dont see it. Can you send me a link?

 

[CLdrinker]

You know how to tell if someone don’t know jack shit about towing? They start talking about horse power and torque along with “ratings”

Can anybody tell me how much horsepower it takes to fight a 45mph sidewind?
Can anybody tell me how wind is calculated into the manufacture rating?

What kind of horsepower and torque did we have in the 1950’s ,60’s or 70’s? What were brakes like?
They were all shity yet we still pulled large amounts of weight.

Morale of the story you can get any trailer to go and whoa. Your biggest problem is the unexpected wind gust or evasive maneuver that puts your ass in the ditch.

Now I will sit back and wait for every towing professional to chime in with how I’m full of shit all the while they do not answer the 2 questions in my second paragraph.

 

[Bigbore500r]

You know how to tell if someone don’t know jack shit about towing? They start talking about horse power and torque along with “ratings”

Can anybody tell me how much horsepower it takes to fight a 45mph sidewind?
Can anybody tell me how wind is calculated into the manufacture rating?

What kind of horsepower and torque did we have in the 1950’s ,60’s or 70’s? What were brakes like?
They were all shity yet we still pulled large amounts of weight.

Morale of the story you can get any trailer to go and whoa. Your biggest problem is the unexpected wind gust or evasive maneuver that puts your ass in the ditch.

Now I will sit back and wait for every towing professional to chime in with how I’m full of shit all the while they do not answer the 2 questions in my second paragraph.

How did you calculate it back in the day?

 

[pronstar]

SAE tow standards here, if anyone is interested.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...yCcQQFgglMAA&usg=AOvVaw2ebH7guwzsCPQDbtsXCAN0

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[Bigbore500r]

SAE tow standards here, if anyone is interested.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...yCcQQFgglMAA&usg=AOvVaw2ebH7guwzsCPQDbtsXCAN0

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Get out of here with your facts! Lol

 

[Bigbore500r]

SAE tow standards here, if anyone is interested.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...yCcQQFgglMAA&usg=AOvVaw2ebH7guwzsCPQDbtsXCAN0

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This is a great document to read. It shows that there really is a uniform grading and scientific aspect of these ratings, not just dodge saying "yeah....we'll stamp 30k on that Ram, the lawyers are comfortable"

 

[mesquito_creek]

You know how to tell if someone don’t know jack shit about towing? They start talking about horse power and torque along with “ratings”

Can anybody tell me how much horsepower it takes to fight a 45mph sidewind?

Why would I ever need to know how much HP is takes to tow in 45mph sidewinds? Driving is no different than flying or boating. You only operate in conditions that are acceptable given the "ratings" of the equipment that you have. I have cancelled trips because the weather conditions don't favor my equipment of level of risk.

My guess is what you are saying is that you plan on going home from Glamis no matter what on a Sunday OR you configured you truck/trailer in a matter that you think will handle something like a 45 mph sidewind.

I would just stay at home or extra days on vacation. I have stayed home from the river because it was intermittently raining I didn't want my fully detailed boat to get thrashed on the way out.

 

[CLdrinker]

How did you calculate it back in the day?

By the seat of your pants and some common sense.

 

[Bigbore500r]

By the seat of your pants and some common sense.

So just keep increasing the weight till you get blown of the road, then back off 2 clicks?

 

[wsuwrhr]

Get out of here with your facts! Lol

Can we see the "facts" on MPG too?

 

[CLdrinker]

Why would I ever need to know how much HP is takes to tow in 45mph sidewinds? Driving is no different than flying or boating. You only operate in conditions that are acceptable given the "ratings" of the equipment that you have. I have cancelled trips because the weather conditions don't favor my equipment of level of risk.

My guess is what you are saying is that you plan on going home from Glamis no matter what on a Sunday OR you configured you truck/trailer in a matter that you think will handle something like a 45 mph sidewind.

I would just stay at home or extra days on vacation. I have stayed home from the river because it was intermittently raining I didn't want my fully detailed boat to get thrashed on the way out.

You are correct, I have my setup where it is under its capability and if need be I can adjust my driving habits to make it safe.

For instance coming home from Zion we left in perfect weather but ran into major wind approaching Vegas. I was able to reduce my speed to 50mph or so where it wasn’t to bad. Any worse and we would have pulled over.

The brochure says I can tow 10,000lbs. I’m 8,000 or under and that is all I feel safe doing in this truck.

 

[CLdrinker]

So just keep increasing the weight till you get blown of the road, then back off 2 clicks?

Either I’m not getting your sarcasm or you took my reply differently than I intended?

 

[Bigbore500r]

Either I’m not getting your sarcasm or you took my reply differently than I intended?

It was a joke

 

[NicPaus]

Must be sold already, I dont see it. Can you send me a link?

I just checked no longer listed on site.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Can we see the "facts" on MPG too?

The EPA test is pretty detailed, the problem is nobody drives like they test! Usually bad mpg is cured with a driver mod

 

[CLdrinker]

This is maxed out for a Ram 1500 in my opinion. Roughy 2,000lbs under what the ratings say.

 

[wsuwrhr]

The EPA test is pretty detailed, the problem is nobody drives like they test! Usually bad mpg is cured with a driver mod

Noted.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Noted.

i.e - slowthefakdown, dontridethebrakes, norapidstarts

 

[wsuwrhr]

i.e - slowthefakdown, dontridethebrakes, norapidstarts

No rapid starts, stay off the brakes. Noted.

Otherwise, contradicktory.

 

[NicPaus]

Only concern would be the tongue weight. My old 26' TH FB would sag F350 and needed bags on my 2500 when towing it empty. With full water and balanced load not to bad.

I started out towing our 25' Camper with a 4.3 Astro van my Dad ordered for Mom just for it. I recall the first time in the wind on the 10. I got home and bought a Dually after that.

 

[Runs2rch]

Everyone has an opinion here. Some with real world experience.

Bottom line is you don't need a 3/4 to tow 8-10k 3-4 times a year. A PROPERLY equipped 1/2 ton will do the job. Guys that don't believe or need to see to believe the new 1/2 ton's own 3/4 tons from yester year. Late 90's Burbs where dogs. We had one. Pulling a 270T up Baker grade running 25-30. Our 04 5.3 Tahoe pulled the same grade at 55 easily. My 02 Harley F150 pulled it cruising 65-70 up the same grade.

Braking also is far superior compared to these older trucks also.

 

[spectras only]

The link Pronstar posted is a bit outdated [ revised in 2012]. Most of the tests regarding tire pressures [ very important to check before towing ] were done with 15" wheels @ max 65 psi. Even my 04 Navigator came with 18" wheels just like most 1500 trucks with 6 bolt pattern today. Sticker on the door of my 2014 F-150 say max 50 PSI cold. My total TWR is 9600lbs. Tongue weight is 960 lbs according to brochure, so it's bang on 10% tounge weight with balanced load. I also use a WDH that's rated 1200 lbs.
One can buy a TW scale at Summit that's handy to set up trailers properly if one in doubt. Most RV dealers are clueless IMHO,lol. And yes, newer trucks are more capable than old ones, especially regarding brake and transmissions, ABS etc..... My Navigator's weight is about same as the F-150, it had the 5.4 DOHC V-8, same large diam rotors, yet, the F-150 outpperforms it in every aspect.

 

[pronstar]

The link Pronstar posted is a bit outdated [ revised in 2012]. .

Edit:
The testing standard was revised recently.

Here's the latest

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...DCXcQFggsMAM&usg=AOvVaw2Tmu5F5V7pE65nyefsn1Ei

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[spectras only]

It's interesting that the gooseneck percentage reduced to 15 from 20%. Wheels in the tests are still 16" until real heavy weights over 12000 with 17.5 wheels. People with larger diam wheels with low profile tires [Like Platinum & Limited models ] must find out their safe towing limits that would be substaintially lower. I'm sure are lot of people ignore that scenario for the sake of looking cool,lol.

 

[rivermobster]

How did you calculate it back in the day?

I really did LOL at that!!!!!!!

 

[pronstar]

At the end of the day, look at vehicle rating and your own comfort level, then default to the lower of the two [emoji106]


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[Flying_Lavey]

We will agree to disagree then...

Why? If you load your trailer with too little tongue weight, it will sway with NO wind at all.

If you load your trailer with enough tongue weight, the likelyhood of trailer sway is nil.

I've towed my toy hauler for Thousands of miles, and drivin in the worst cross winds you'll ever see. My whole rig never moves in the wind. It's all about how much tongue weight you run, and if your truck/hitch can deal with that weight. I run a Class IV reciever with a WD hitch. I have no issues at all.

A weight distribution hitch is just that. It distributes the weight to front wheels and takes some of the weight off the rear axle. This effect doubles the capacity of the hitch. IF you have a truck with a tow package from the factory, that info you speak of MIGHT be in the truck owners manual, then again, it might not. A lot of hitches/recievers are dealer installed.

If you are adding a hitch to whatever you have (truck, motor home, van, etc...), you'll need to use the instructions that came with the hitch/receiver.

Nothing is ever as simple as it seems...

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I guess we will agree to disagree then. Im just speaking from personal, family, and friends' experiences. Ive never heard of a single tag trailer NOT sway somewhat while being towed.

When was the last time you saw a 1/2 ton and up truck come WITHOUT a hitch? Also, the owners manual for all trucks are the same for each model year no matter what options were ordered and installed on it. Shit, my 2001 Silverado manual has all kinds of stuff in it for a 1 ton dually with a 5 speed even. Including the dually's ratings.

 

[MCnParker]

Not sure if this has been posted in here yet but I saw it a while back and thought it might apply to this conversation...

We will agree to disagree then...

Why? If you load your trailer with too little tongue weight, it will sway with NO wind at all.

If you load your trailer with enough tongue weight, the likelyhood of trailer sway is nil.

I've towed my toy hauler for Thousands of miles, and drivin in the worst cross winds you'll ever see. My whole rig never moves in the wind. It's all about how much tongue weight you run, and if your truck/hitch can deal with that weight. I run a Class IV reciever with a WD hitch. I have no issues at all.

A weight distribution hitch is just that. It distributes the weight to front wheels and takes some of the weight off the rear axle. This effect doubles the capacity of the hitch. IF you have a truck with a tow package from the factory, that info you speak of MIGHT be in the truck owners manual, then again, it might not. A lot of hitches/recievers are dealer installed.

If you are adding a hitch to whatever you have (truck, motor home, van, etc...), you'll need to use the instructions that came with the hitch/receiver.

Nothing is ever as simple as it seems...

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[Bigbore500r]

Not sure if this has been posted in here yet but I saw it a while back and thought it might apply to this conversation...

And this forks is why you never tow with a purple mustang

 

[rivermobster]

I guess we will agree to disagree then. Im just speaking from personal, family, and friends' experiences. Ive never heard of a single tag trailer NOT sway somewhat while being towed.

When was the last time you saw a 1/2 ton and up truck come WITHOUT a hitch? Also, the owners manual for all trucks are the same for each model year no matter what options were ordered and installed on it. Shit, my 2001 Silverado manual has all kinds of stuff in it for a 1 ton dually with a 5 speed even. Including the dually's ratings.

Well, now you have! Mine tows straight as an arrow.

I'm sure anyone else on here that has their trailer loaded right, will tell you the exact same thing.

A half ton won't handle a whole lota tongue weight, so it will naturally be all over the road.



P.S. I've never owned a half ton truck, so I have no clue what one does or doesn't come with.

 

[USMC2010]

Well, now you have! Mine tows straight as an arrow.

I'm sure anyone else on here that has their trailer loaded right, will tell you the exact same thing.

A half ton won't handle a whole lota tongue weight, so it will naturally be all over the road.

x2, 2 years with our trailer I have not had any sway.

 

[Boat 405]

While all the 3/4 ton diesel crew cab 4x4 guys sit back and laugh at the endless talk about towing heavy with a 1/2 ton 2wd trucks.

 

[Bigbore500r]

While all the 3/4 ton diesel crew cab 4x4 guys sit back and laugh at the endless talk about towing heavy with a 1/2 ton 2wd trucks.

...and all the long bed crew cab guys laugh at the need for a slider hitch and lack of bedspace for a transfer tank!

 

[NicPaus]

When was the last time you saw a 1/2 ton and up truck come WITHOUT a hitch?


I was surprised how many I saw in my last search without a hitch. Jason had a 4x4 3/4 ton all cleaned up and waiting for me. To my surprise no hitch.

 

[rivermobster]

...and all the long bed crew cab guys laugh at the need for a slider hitch and lack of bedspace for a transfer tank!

My F350 long bed crew cab long bed came with a fifty gallon tank from the factory.

Silly chebbys.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

When was the last time you saw a 1/2 ton and up truck come WITHOUT a hitch?


I was surprised how many I saw in my last search without a hitch. Jason had a 4x4 3/4 ton all cleaned up and waiting for me. To my surprise no hitch.

Really? I can honestly say i habe never seen one on a lot without one.

 

[wsuwrhr]

While all the 3/4 ton diesel crew cab 4x4 guys sit back and laugh at the endless talk about towing heavy with a 1/2 ton 2wd trucks.

Why is exxaaaactly why they know.

 

[28Eliminator]

The horror of it all...

 

[pwerwagn]

I didn't really read the whole thread, but I have towed quite a bit with my wife's Escalade with the 6.2. It tows very well. Towing the boat, It only gets about 3mpg less than my 5.9 Cummins. The brakes work great too, as does the trailer tow mode.

I've also towed my tractor behind it, and that seemed to be a little over its comfort zone. The tractor is around 7200lbs, and the trailer is 2740. So right around 10K...and it wasn't very happy with me.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

View attachment 606024 The horror of it all...

The Bridgeview !

 

[28Eliminator]

The Bridgeview !

Close, bridgewater (AKA.. Bates Motel)

 

[Danger Dave]

Hopefully this thread will help me convince my wife I need to sell the Tundra and get a diesel for the 3 mile round trip tow I have here in Canyon Lake.

 

[TPC]

Towed a 8.7K lb trailer for years with a V8 Grand Cherokee with the exception of the crappy Chrysler brakes, no issues at all.
That swore us off any Chrysler product.

 

[28Eliminator]

Hopefully this thread will help me convince my wife I need to sell the Tundra and get a diesel for the 3 mile round trip tow I have here in Canyon Lake.

Make sure it's a dually

 

[Danger Dave]

Make sure it's a dually

Crew Cab 4X4 Diesel dually, noted. I like the way you think.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Buy a newer half ton and laugh your way to the bank! I wouldn’t hesitate to tow a 26 toy hauler with my f150 ecoboost. I have a trailer brake controller already I just need to have the weight distribution hitch for that trailer. And I’ll cruise at 60 and be just fine!

We used to tow a 25 ft toy hauler with a expedition 5.4 it towed and stopped and didn’t sway at all.

 

[Andy01]

Currently owning a 2005 Crew Cab Duramax long bed 4x4, a 2004 2500HD Single Cab long bed 6.0 and a 2017 1/2 ton crew cab short bed 4x4 I have to say there is no comparison in the towing of the 1/2 to the older 3/4 ton. My Duramax would still out tow and handle the 1/2 ton easy. To say a newer half ton is better than a older 3/4 ton is a uneducated statement.

Can you cross the country on a bicycle? Of course you can, doesn't mean you want to or it's safe lol!