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Stooge number 1 right on cue 😂.

The entertainment is watching you try to tap dance out of saying you were wrong with memes.

Tell me again how RG saying they will be repackage coolant lines and harness in future cars will devalue mine and Carl’s machines 😝.

I'm number one, I'm number one, I'm number one!! 😁😁

Rewrite my words to mean whatever you like. I never said it would devalue your cars but I would stand by my assessment that later cars have more value to most.
Enjoy being a guinea pig.

And of course you've said all along the cars would be late but only because for a year and a half you've continuously stated the deliveries were starting shortly and then had to reel in your enthusiasm.

Being wrong then claiming you were actually right is definitely an LOF Psaki talent.👍
 

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I'm number one, I'm number one, I'm number one!! 😁😁

Rewrite my eords to mean whatever you like. I never said it would devalue your cars but I would stand by my assessment that later cars have more value to most.
Enjoy being a guinea pig.

And of course you've said all along the cars would be late but only because for s year and a half you've continuously stated the deliveries were starting shortly and then had to reel in your enthusiasm.

Being wrong then claiming you were actually right is definitely an LOF Psaki talent.👍


They were your words I quoted precious, go back and read them :)

Keep backpedaling.. calling me Psaki really makes it entertaining watching you trying to explain away how you keep loosing arguments with Raggedy Ann.
 

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They were your words I quoted precious, go back and read them :)

Keep backpedaling.. calling me Psaki really makes it entertaining watching you trying to explain away how you keep loosing arguments with Raggedy Ann.

No need for me to go back and read them.
I wrote them.

Don't bother with the precious compliment, I'm not into red heads.
 

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Im saying....1st im not high
When will number 5000 be delivered? How about 10000? Real question.
Then i will reply 😁
 

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Im saying....1st im not high
When will number 5000 be delivered? How about 10000? Real question.
Then i will reply 😁
WTF.
They can't even get within a year and a half (and counting) on car number one and you think 5,000 or 10,000 will be any better?😁😁
 

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Im saying....1st im not high
When will number 5000 be delivered? How about 10000? Real question.
Then i will reply 😁
I cant wait...
What i was saying was the guys on shark tank would have not been confident with the pitch.
My personal feeling is by the time unit number 5000 gets delivered the hype is gone. The remaining buyers will drop off and the excitement will slow.
Or....if this thing is truly that bad ass and is proven and the hype picks up momentum and the competition is not equal then speed will do good. Time will tell.
But my personal opinion is sell the car when you get it.
But i not in this industry and my day job is secure.

Also, speed needs to constantly evolve, the competition will pass them in 2 years from today.
 

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On the flip..nostradamis RR also thinks theres a chance by unit 10000 arrives lake havasu might be ocean front property after cal is blown to bits. 🤪crazy times we are in
 

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I cant wait...
What i was saying was the guys on shark tank would have not been confident with the pitch.
My personal feeling is by the time unit number 5000 gets delivered the hype is gone. The remaining buyers will drop off and the excitement will slow.
Or....if this thing is truly that bad ass and is proven and the hype picks up momentum and the competition is not equal then speed will do good. Time will tell.
But my personal opinion is sell the car when you get it.
But i not in this industry and my day job is secure.

Also, speed needs to constantly evolve, the competition will pass them in 2 years from today.

If you actually watched the releases, the car has evolved a ton in the last year, and will continue to. What makes you think the car won’t be improved year after year like every other vehicle made?

You are still confused about what this car is supposed to be and how it fits in the market. This is a mass produced semi custom SXS. They are not going to outsell Polaris or Can Am with it. They are not trying at this point to outsell Polaris and Can Am. They are trying to make a reliable good performing SXS for recreational use. It is not a race SXS. It’s not going to run circles around your Can Am. It is just gonna cost 10k less to build because it comes standard with more features and it will be a little faster, a little wider and a little better.

Speed will sell every car they make without a problem. You are worried about hype.. there is 0 hype with Can Am right now, and it is fading with the Pro R as the season ends.

Again, you are high. If you rolled into shark tank with $500M in commits with reasonable margins and a fully designed product that just needed to be manufactured and then collect money, they would want in. The question on Shark Tank is always valuation and ownership stake.
 

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My friend just received his pro R today from the dealer 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️ Not sure if you were referring to the speed or the R 😂😂

Lol there are so many Pro Rs available that Polaris has an entire page talking about why you have to wait months for them😂

Robby Gordon must be working with Polaris again!

 

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And Robbie will magically get his parts built faster 😂😂😂

Stands to reason since he’s building a fraction of the units Polaris is, and they are going all to one dealer as opposed to being spread paper thin across the nation.

I still can’t get the only other car I’d want anyway... the Turbo R.
 

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Stands to reason since he’s building a fraction of the units Polaris is, and they are going all to one dealer as opposed to being spread paper thin across the nation.

I still can’t get the only other car I’d want anyway... the Turbo R.
I’ll see if I can pull some strings for you, 😂😂 I should have one here soon. The supply chain is really jacking things up right now it’s crazy.
 

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I’ll see if I can pull some strings for you, 😂😂 I should have one here soon. The supply chain is really jacking things up right now it’s crazy.

So wait, when Polaris can’t built a car and it debuts a year late, it is the the supply chains fault.. but when Speed is late it’s Robby Gordon’s fault.

Got it.

Looking forward to seeing a real Turbo R out in the wild.
 

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So wait, when Polaris can’t built a car and it debuts a year late, it is the the supply chains fault.. but when Speed is late it’s Robby Gordon’s fault.

Got it.

Looking forward to seeing a real Turbo R out in the wild.
I get your logic but the one thing Polaris has that Robbie doesn’t is money and lots of it. They didnt ask anyone for a dollar while creating the baddest mofo out right now. Robbie had to bring in deposits from customers and investors, They “Polaris” also have a proven record of designing a car from the ground up and delivering that product. Robbie doesn’t have that. I know you want to stand up for Robbie and how late he is etc, etc but you won’t win the battle when trying to throw shade on Polaris. They have and will follow thru with what they promised period end of story!
 

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I get your logic but the one thing Polaris has that Robbie doesn’t is money and lots of it. They didnt ask anyone for a dollar while creating the baddest mofo out right now. Robbie had to bring in deposits from customers and investors, They “Polaris” also have a proven record of designing a car from the ground up and delivering that product. Robbie doesn’t have that. I know you want to stand up for Robbie and how late he is etc, etc but you won’t win the battle when trying to throw shade on Polaris. They have and will follow thru with what they promised period end of story

RG and Polaris have gone through the last 2 years suffering many of the same issues. Clearly money can’t fix any of these problems. Polaris was a year late debuting their car. RG is late too,

If I want to give a guy a couple grand for a discount on his new car, who cares (seems many people do)?

No one put a gun to my head. If you can’t handle the wait for a new car to debut, go wait for a Polaris or Can Am.
 

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RG and Polaris have gone through the last 2 years suffering many of the same issues. Clearly money can’t fix any of these problems. Polaris was a year late debuting their car. RG is late too,

If I want to give a guy a couple grand for a discount on his new car, who cares (seems many people do)?

No one put a gun to my head. If you can’t handle the wait for a new car to debut, go wait for a Polaris or Can Am.
I could care less what you spend your money on, I’m simply pointing out that Polaris didn’t require a deposit to develop their car. And also I could care less who waits for a car to be built\developed I had to wait also. You get defensive when I’m not even attacking you ?
 
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RG and Polaris have gone through the last 2 years suffering many of the same issues. Clearly money can’t fix any of these problems. Polaris was a year late debuting their car. RG is late too,

If I want to give a guy a couple grand for a discount on his new car, who cares (seems many people do)?

No one put a gun to my head. If you can’t handle the wait for a new car to debut, go wait for a Polaris or Can Am.

Difference is Polaris actually released the car. Correct me if I am wrong but speed still hasn't even started production yet.
 

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I could care less what you spend your money on, I’m simply pointing out that Polaris didn’t require a deposit to develop their car. And also I could care less who waits for a car to be built\developed I had to wait also. You get defensive when I’m not even attacking you ?

Have you not been introduced to LOF Psaki before? ;)
That reaction is par for the course.
 

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I could care less what you spend your money on, I’m simply pointing out that Polaris didn’t require a deposit to develop their car. And also I could care less who waits for a car to be built\developed I had to wait also. You get defensive when I’m not even attacking you ?

You got defensive when I said Polaris is having the exact same problems Speed is. I was not attacking you or Polaris. The fact is, the current problems are ones money can’t solve. Asking for deposits while something is in development in exchange for a discount on the final product isn’t a crime or something to be ashamed of. It is simply a different business model.
 
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Difference is Polaris actually released the car. Correct me if I am wrong but speed still hasn't even started production yet.

The difference is Polaris started development of their new car first... as in before the Speed car was even announced. Speed is going to have their car out faster than Polaris developed theirs. They just started at different times.
 

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The difference is Polaris started development of their new car first... as in before the Speed car was even announced. Speed is going to have their car out faster than Polaris developed theirs. They just started at different times.

You continually make statements like this that (according to you) you have no way of knowing.

How do you know when Speed started development of their car? You can't be thick enough to assume that they announced the car first then grabbed a napkin and pencil and started drawing.
You make wholesale statements like they are fact when in reality, you are simply guessing.
 

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The difference is Polaris started development of their new car first... as in before the Speed car was even announced. Speed is going to have their car out faster than Polaris developed theirs. They just started at different times.

You keep talking like speed has produced a single car. They still have not even started production. They haven't even given a date they are going to start. They have said they are 60 days away from starting 2-3 times that I can remember. So is it from the first time they said they are 60 days out or the last time weeks later they said they are 60 days out? You get where I am going here?

It wasn't too long ago River Dave was 100% sure he would be driving his by Feb 1st and he was even taking bets on it. It is now middle of March and THEY STILL HAVEN'T STARTED PRODUCTION NOR GIVEN A PRODUCTION DATE. So I can't see how you can say they are faster than Polaris? Polaris has already been selling and delivering the pro R for weeks now.
 

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You continually make statements like this that (according to you) you have no way of knowing.

How do you know when Speed started development of their car? You can't be thick enough to assume that they announced the car first then grabbed a napkin and pencil and started drawing.
You make wholesale statements like they are fact when in reality, you are simply guessing.

Robby Gordan: Hello new employee's, welcome to Day 1 of Speed UTV inc. First order of business, start the design on the sxs I have anounced and taking been taking investors money on. I say we anounce our release date one year from now and we'll just keep moving it if we run into problems. We gotta start working fast as Polaris have been working on there ProR for many many years and we want to compete with them.
 

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Robby Gordan: Hello new employee's, welcome to Day 1 of Speed UTV inc. First order of business, start the design on the sxs I have anounced and taking been taking investors money on. I say we anounce our release date one year from now and we'll just keep moving it if we run into problems. We gotta start working fast as Polaris have been working on there ProR for many many years and we want to compete with them.

New Employee: How many sick days do we get?
 

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You keep talking like speed has produced a single car. They still have not even started production. They haven't even given a date they are going to start. They have said they are 60 days away from starting 2-3 times that I can remember. So is it from the first time they said they are 60 days out or the last time weeks later they said they are 60 days out? You get where I am going here?

It wasn't too long ago River Dave was 100% sure he would be driving his by Feb 1st and he was even taking bets on it. It is now middle of March and THEY STILL HAVEN'T STARTED PRODUCTION NOR GIVEN A PRODUCTION DATE. So I can't see how you can say they are faster than Polaris? Polaris has already been selling and delivering the pro R for weeks now.

They are starting production in April. That has been said several times by Speed. This is the first time they said they are starting production in X timeframe. We will see if it holds true. Taking bets on when we think a car might be made and when the MFG says they will be made are 2 different things. Last spring I bet RiverRoyal beers that said they would be beginning deliveries before the end of 2021. I lost, that is fine with me, the product is better for it.

Polaris didn't tell you when they started development of the Pro R. They didn't tell you when they started making them. They didn't tell you anything about it along the way. They didn't let you touch and feel the preproduction prototypes. The owner of the company was not out giving random people rides in them.

It is a different business, advertising and marketing model. If these start getting built in April and delivered 90 days after, they will have developed and brought their car to market faster than Polaris developed and brought theirs to market.

We have already established that Polaris has tons of money to throw at things to get them done, they still delayed their car a year. Why are you trying to hold Speed to another standard when they are on track to be faster to market than the market leader was? They don't have the money Polaris does, and Robby Gordon spent all our money on his Trophy truck and the Hastings building I'm told by the experts in this thread. We will just have to find out how the cars compete against each other when they are both readily available.
 

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Whatever happens, I hope Speed departs from the way side by sides are currently built.

Worked on a newer Turbo S the other day. Replaced the boost actuator and BOV due to an overboost code and limp mode. Never have I seen so many zip ties on an "offroad" car. Accessibility to components made it clear the engineers don't work on them. Designs of the components is pure shit. I took apart the old BOV just to see how it was made. Pure shit. The boost actuator apparently has a fragile diaphragm in it that commonly blows out and causes problems.

Finish that job up and then notice pieces of a retaining clip in the transmission fluid. Research what's in there and find out that each transmission is manufactured for a total cost of about $300 because the parts in there are...pure shit. Cheap Chinese bearings and other ridiculousness.

It's amazing these cars go as far as they do. This car is driven by a 60-something year old guy and has not been abused. Really shouldn't be having these problems. Maybe Speed will improve on it all, but I don't see how at the price point they are offering and considering "Hisun" is involved.
 

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They are starting production in April. That has been said several times by Speed. This is the first time they said they are starting production in X timeframe. We will see if it holds true. Taking bets on when we think a car might be made and when the MFG says they will be made are 2 different things. Last spring I bet RiverRoyal beers that said they would be beginning deliveries before the end of 2021. I lost, that is fine with me, the product is better for it.

Polaris didn't tell you when they started development of the Pro R. They didn't tell you when they started making them. They didn't tell you anything about it along the way. They didn't let you touch and feel the preproduction prototypes. The owner of the company was not out giving random people rides in them.

It is a different business, advertising and marketing model. If these start getting built in April and delivered 90 days after, they will have developed and brought their car to market faster than Polaris developed and brought theirs to market.

We have already established that Polaris has tons of money to throw at things to get them done, they still delayed their car a year. Why are you trying to hold Speed to another standard when they are on track to be faster to market than the market leader was? They don't have the money Polaris does, and Robby Gordon spent all our money on his Trophy truck and the Hastings building I'm told by the experts in this thread. We will just have to find out how the cars compete against each other when they are both readily available
Looking at the parts shelves at the local Polaris dealer, if speed has even half those problems, I don’t see it happening in April.
I see more time for R&D, and working out the bugs, and a few more “test vehicles”.
Havasu will be in full boating season in 2 weeks, and I expect there won’t be a rush to let them sit in garages, for 6 months.
 

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Looking at the parts shelves at the local Polaris dealer, if speed has even half those problems, I don’t see it happening in April.
I see more time for R&D, and working out the bugs, and a few more “test vehicles”.
Havasu will be in full boating season in 2 weeks, and I expect there won’t be a rush to let them sit in garages, for 6 months.
All that is done. Design and R&D for the first MY of cars is done. Speed has to make one car, in 2 lengths and those 2 cars are is 98% the same. All the parts can be used on either side of the car. All 4 shocks are the same all the way around. Same axle all the way around. The entire suspension only uses 3 or 4 different size bolts. It has no electronic shocks, no ride command, no built in navigation.

And they are trying to make way fewer cars then Polaris. I'm not saying there is not going to be problems, but they aren't Polaris with 100 different off road models/trims etc. they are trying to produce.
 

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They are starting production in April. That has been said several times by Speed. This is the first time they said they are starting production in X timeframe. We will see if it holds true. Taking bets on when we think a car might be made and when the MFG says they will be made are 2 different things. Last spring I bet RiverRoyal beers that said they would be beginning deliveries before the end of 2021. I lost, that is fine with me, the product is better for it.

Polaris didn't tell you when they started development of the Pro R. They didn't tell you when they started making them. They didn't tell you anything about it along the way. They didn't let you touch and feel the preproduction prototypes. The owner of the company was not out giving random people rides in them.

It is a different business, advertising and marketing model. If these start getting built in April and delivered 90 days after, they will have developed and brought their car to market faster than Polaris developed and brought theirs to market.

We have already established that Polaris has tons of money to throw at things to get them done, they still delayed their car a year. Why are you trying to hold Speed to another standard when they are on track to be faster to market than the market leader was? They don't have the money Polaris does, and Robby Gordon spent all our money on his Trophy truck and the Hastings building I'm told by the experts in this thread. We will just have to find out how the cars compete against each other when they are both readily available.

That is not true, they said in like oct they should be going into production in a couple of months. That's what led to RD thinking production would start in dec and he would get his in feb. Then they ran into unexpected problems and had to delay. Then this time around instead of saying a couple of months they say 60 days over and over again. Hate to break it to you but 60 days is a couple of months. Yet they still haven't given a date and are probably going to run into "unexpected problems" and push it back. Or they will find "unexpected problems" in the first 20 cars and delay customer cars but everyone will say they are in "production" so its ok.
 

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Whatever happens, I hope Speed departs from the way side by sides are currently built.

Worked on a newer Turbo S the other day. Replaced the boost actuator and BOV due to an overboost code and limp mode. Never have I seen so many zip ties on an "offroad" car. Accessibility to components made it clear the engineers don't work on them. Designs of the components is pure shit. I took apart the old BOV just to see how it was made. Pure shit. The boost actuator apparently has a fragile diaphragm in it that commonly blows out and causes problems.

Finish that job up and then notice pieces of a retaining clip in the transmission fluid. Research what's in there and find out that each transmission is manufactured for a total cost of about $300 because the parts in there are...pure shit. Cheap Chinese bearings and other ridiculousness.

It's amazing these cars go as far as they do. This car is driven by a 60-something year old guy and has not been abused. Really shouldn't be having these problems. Maybe Speed will improve on it all, but I don't see how at the price point they are offering and considering "Hisun" is involved.
That Polaris platform is abysmal to work on. I just had mine apart. The problem with Polaris (and Textron and all the others) is the bean counters. The designers generally develop a pretty good car. Then the bean counters go in figure out where they can cut costs.

The Speed car appears to be much easier to work on, you can have the entire engine and trans out in an hour or so. and the new Polaris cars are very easy to work on. The entire bed comes off in a couple minutes.
 

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That is not true, they said in like oct they should be going into production in a couple of months. That's what led to RD thinking production would start in dec and he would get his in feb. Then they ran into unexpected problems and had to delay. Then this time around instead of saying a couple of months they say 60 days over and over again. Hate to break it to you but 60 days is a couple of months. Yet they still haven't given a date and are probably going to run into "unexpected problems" and push it back. Or they will find "unexpected problems" in the first 20 cars and delay customer cars but everyone will say they are in "production" so its ok.
RG said April. It was said in the releases and there are screenshots from instagram in this thread a couple pages back. Its gonna happen or its not. They said they needed 3-4 months after they got the preproduction cars. That turned into what, 6 months, in a global pandemic with supply chain issues. Seems fair as no one else is doing anything any faster.

If it is delayed more it is delayed more. If Polaris can't get cars out why are you holding Speed to a different standard?
 

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RG said April. It was said in the releases and there are screenshots from instagram in this thread a couple pages back. Its gonna happen or its not. They said they needed 3-4 months after they got the preproduction cars. That turned into what, 6 months, in a global pandemic with supply chain issues. Seems fair as no one else is doing anything any faster.

If it is delayed more it is delayed more. If Polaris can't get cars out why are you holding Speed to a different standard?

What are you talking about, Polaris has the cars out. My friend has one and loves it. Problem is Polaris can't keep up with demand and more people want them than they can get out. Speed on the other hand hasn't even started production yet and you are saying they are better, cheaper, and were designed/produced in a shorter time than the ProR. We all know Robby can build bad ass custom cars. The current pre-production speed cars were not produced on the assembly line. You are not going to get a hand built car. I don't know how you can compare the ProR to the 3 handbuilt cars they keep showing over and over again. Show me what the customer gets and we'll talk.
 

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What are you talking about, Polaris has the cars out. My friend has one and loves it. Problem is Polaris can't keep up with demand and more people want them than they can get out. Speed on the other hand hasn't even started production yet and you are saying they are better, cheaper, and were designed/produced in a shorter time than the ProR. We all know Robby can build bad ass custom cars. The current pre-production speed cars were not produced on the assembly line. You are not going to get a hand built car. I don't know how you can compare the ProR to the 3 handbuilt cars they keep showing over and over again. Show me what the customer gets and we'll talk.

People are not waiting 3 months for Pro Rs because there is overwhelming demand.. there is no supply. Go to any dealer, they don't have any or very many on the floor. That is why there is an entire page on Polaris' website talking about why they cant make very many cars right now due to supply chain issues and the wait is 12+ weeks.

Like I said before, there are more new UTV buyers than they are new UTVs to sell. Speed is going to sell every car they can make, just like Polaris will.

It took Polaris 3 years to bring the Pro R to market and it was a year late. Speed is part way through year 2. If we see cars this year, they will have been faster than Polaris at bringing a top line car to market.
 
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There will not be a list of people waiting for unit 15001. I will be available on a floor

Did i read there is one speed dealership? I know the hastings building. I must have read it wrong
 

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There will not be a list of people waiting for unit 15001. I will be available on a floor

Did i read there is one speed dealership? I know the hastings building. I must have read it wrong

Every major powersports dealer in the southwest is a dealer. Speed has their own headquarters/dealer, the Hastings building in Havasu.

You are high again tonight if you think dealers won't continue to order and sell these things. It is one more thing for them to sell and service. These dealer conglomerates didn't grow by saying no to people's money.

 

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Wait … You got yo go for a ride on a Magical Unicorn, that’s never seen the light of day?

we need more info than that!

What color was the car?
Who drove the car?
Where did you go?

pics ???

LOL
good for you!! Are you on the list for a Speed car?
Car was Orange and Black, Robby was driving, we were on Shea road in Parker.
 
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