4 seat speed UTV

[HCP3]

"You let me worry about building this car, and if you are a customer, you worry about being a customer." - RG Ep. #87.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Maybe that’s why LOF stopped posting Robbie told him to shut up!

 

[JayBreww]

Pretty sure he said that his team is no longer doing any racing until the speed cars are done. So this is a good sign?

They just raced Parker didn’t they. I believe in his kids car DNF

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

"You let me worry about building this car, and if you are a customer, you worry about being a customer." - RG Ep. #87.

Truer words have never been spoken .

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Tonight’s updates -

Went over the production front bulkheads. All pivot pivot and threaded attachment points have steel inserts into the cast aluminum bulkhead.No U joints in the driveshafts, instead they are using same tech they used in NASCAR to build cambered rear ends in straight axles.

Chassis is 100% done and off to production

They revised the windsheild and are finalizing a few other accessories.

Out of the near 300 items they had to revise coming out of Sand Sports, they are down to 4 they need to finish.

RG said the customer response and deposits have allowed them to build a much better car. He said they put all those dollars back into development.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I watched episode 88 this morning. My assessment of delivery still stands at September time frame. They are making changes to tooling (like bulkheads) plumbing, wiring, windshield, and a lot more. These changes have to go through proto runs, the. Production proto. Then approval. That takes months in some cases (major tooling on casting). I think in the back of their minds they want this released by sand show 22’ I believe that will happen as well

 

[Lavey5150]

100 Pages by Superbowl. Kegger.

 

[1Carl]

Well I’m glad I’m still waiting on my Speed UTV and didn’t sell to buy an R model. Lol

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Well I’m glad I’m still waiting on my Speed UTV and didn’t sell to buy an R model. Lol

Because it's so much more fun sitting on the sofa with your laptop than it is being outside busting shit up.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Because it's so much more fun sitting on the sofa with your laptop than it is being outside busting shit up.

When you didn’t sell your ride you get break your crappy Polaris while you wait .

 

[RiverDave]

Well I’m glad I’m still waiting on my Speed UTV and didn’t sell to buy an R model. Lol

I don’t see this as any better than the people bashing on speed..

Anyone can break anything if ya try hard enough

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don’t see this as any better than the people bashing on speed..

Anyone can break anything if ya try hard enough

Sure but just wait for the uproar from the peanut gallery when you admit had to air up the tires on your Speed car.... let alone break anything

 

[Nordie]

Sure but just wait for the uproar from the peanut gallery when you admit had to air up the tires on your Speed car.... let alone break anything

Yeah but calling a car that hasn't been in the publics hands yet superior to something that is in the public hands, well it's pretty pointless. That's probably why when any little thing happens to a speed car people are going to talk shit.

You should know this already, you're the smartest guy on RDP, this has been happening on forums forever.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yeah but calling a car that hasn't been in the publics hands yet superior to something that is in the public hands, well it's pretty pointless. That's probably why when any little thing happens to a speed car people are going to talk shit.

You should know this already, you're the smartest guy on RDP, this has been happening on forums forever.

People are free to say whatever they want.

However talking shit on a product or business while not knowing even a small subset of the facts around the product or business model is equally pointless. As you said, the final product it is not in the public’s hands to judge it yet.

It is blatantly obvious by this thread that people hold Polaris, and Speed to different standards however. People seem to accept and expect failures from Polaris because they have a long history of botched rollouts, product delays, recalls, etc. but seem to expect total perfection from Speed.

Or they don’t have a SXS at all

 

[Nordie]

People are free to say whatever they want.

However talking shit on a product or business while not knowing even a small subset of the facts around the product or business model is equally pointless. As you said, the final product it is not in the public’s hands to judge it yet.

It is blatantly obvious by this thread that people hold Polaris, and Speed to different standards however. People seem to accept and expect failures from Polaris because they have a long history of botched rollouts, product delays, recalls, etc. but seem to expect total perfection from Speed.

Or they don’t have a SXS at all

I think most people are just taking shots at you. I know that you're fully aware of that.

I still stand by what I said 500 pages ago, I hope they succeed and I have no skin in the game. I might own a SxS someday, but have always preferred 2 wheels.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think most people are just taking shots at you. I know that you're fully aware of that.

I still stand by what I said 500 pages ago, I hope they succeed and I have no skin in the game. I might own a SxS someday, but have always preferred 2 wheels.

Watching them go though all these machinations and hiding behind a UTV just to fight with me is part of the fun

I also stand by what I said 500 pages ago. The car will be late, and there is risk in any new product. This product looks pretty cool with features not in any other SXS and represents and pretty good value when they deliver on it. That still holds true today.

 

[RVR SWPR]

Gotta say RG has his hands full. Polaris put on a show @ KOH today. Race commentators talking up Polaris Especially at finish line.

 

[c_land]

Gotta say RG has his hands full. Polaris put on a show @ KOH today. Race commentators talking up Polaris Especially at finish line.

 

[BRONCOBOY]

People are free to say whatever they want.

However talking shit on a product or business while not knowing even a small subset of the facts around the product or business model is equally pointless. As you said, the final product it is not in the public’s hands to judge it yet.

It is blatantly obvious by this thread that people hold Polaris, and Speed to different standards however. People seem to accept and expect failures from Polaris because they have a long history of botched rollouts, product delays, recalls, etc. but seem to expect total perfection from Speed.

Or they don’t have a SXS at all

I dont think people expect total perfection from speed but they do expect a car!

 

[Done-it-again]

And speed owners don’t think their cars are going to break. Lol. People will find the week link and stuff will break.

RG taking more time right now will NOT prevent the speed car from breaking.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I dont think people expect total perfection from speed but they do expect a car!

I have not talked to one person they has a deposit that thinks they won’t get a car.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

And speed owners don’t think their cars are going to break. Lol. People will find the week link and stuff will break.

RG taking more time right now will NOT prevent the speed car from breaking.

I don’t know where anyone said the car will be unbreakable.

 

[Done-it-again]

I don’t know where anyone said the car will be unbreakable.

You have mentioned it before saying. “If it’s taking longer to make it right. Im good with that”. That’s suggesting the longer RG takes the more bullet proof it it will be.

He can come out with it in the next 4-5 months and will be the same if it comes out in 6-12 months.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You have mentioned it before saying. “If it’s taking longer to make it right. Im good with that”. That’s suggesting the longer RG takes the more bullet proof it it will be.

He can come out with it in the next 4-5 months and will be the same if it comes out in 6-12 months.

LOL. Explain to me again how that is saying it is not gonna break ever? We are both smart enough to know what you claimed and what I actually said are not the same thing.

Your premise must be why automakers don’t make refinements to cars year after year...oh wait they do that constantly, year after year. As do Polaris Can Am and the rest.

The more R&D they do, and changes they make from that R&D, the better the car will be. That goes for everyone making SXS, or anything else. If Speed came out with the car 6 months ago, the car they have today is much better and more polished by leaps and bounds.

If they take another 6 months working on it, it would be better still. As they have said in the weekly releases, they are continuing to work on the car, and aside from a handful of remaining items they are working for the initial run of cars, all the other refinements they have made are going into the next generation cars to come down the line.

 

[Loo Dog]

I don’t know where anyone said the car will be unbreakable.

No, but your buddy Carl sure is implying it with his desperate sales tactic of repetitively bashing the competition.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

No, but your buddy Carl sure is implying it with his desperate sales tactic of repetitively bashing the competition.

As your hanger-on @WhatExit? knows, anyone is free to post anything they want.

Based on your desperate sales tactic premise, can we agree that repeatedly bashing Speed is just as desperate of a anti-sales tactic?

When I break my car all of the dingleberries hanging in this this thread will magically show up to bash the car and me. I’m sure I can count on you then for the same consistent stance

 

[HCP3]

Well I’m glad I’m still waiting on my Speed UTV and didn’t sell to buy an R model. Lol

Kinda confused. Are we bashing Fox now?

 

[BHC Vic]

No, but your buddy Carl sure is implying it with his desperate sales tactic of repetitively bashing the competition.

Poor Carl is having a rough day on fb today

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Poor Carl is having a rough day on fb today

Carl is a savage. I’m sure he will weather whatever shitstorm he created

 

[rivermobster]

So I watched one of the Speed Shows out at the river. My friends bought a reservation for one? If that's what you call it?

I was embarrassed for the guy. He clearly had no Clue what he was talking about. The thing that Really struck me was him saying...

There is way more to this than I thought there would be (or some shit like that).

RG bit off a shit ton more than he could ever chew. It was sad to watch.

Hope he eventually pulls this off.

 

[1Carl]

I just put up some of my cars for sale. I have too many. I still have more besides these.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Carl has 40k plus tied up in money so far on these cars (only ones shown) the #35 car is 70k plus all said and done

Give me a fucking break!

 

[Bpracing1127]

So I watched one of the Speed Shows out at the river. My friends bought a reservation for one? If that's what you call it?

I was embarrassed for the guy. He clearly had no Clue what he was talking about. The thing that Really struck me was him saying...

There is way more to this than I thought there would be (or some shit like that).

RG bit off a shit ton more than he could ever chew. It was sad to watch.

Hope he eventually pulls this off.

This is my consensus too

 

[Loo Dog]

Carl has 40k plus tied up in money so far on these cars (only ones shown) the #35 car is 70k plus all said and done

Give me a fucking break!

Hey, at least it’s down from the original asking price of best offer over $80k! “He knows what he has.”

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Man if he would’ve stuck with the idea of stretching the 2 seat xx or similar he would’ve really made Polaris/can am look bad 2 years ago!! Then he could’ve put all his time and energy into the car he’s got going now and really hyped it up with a couple years of race results and customer feed back. Now that’s all going to start with a 100% new car that’s going to be built way over budget and probably make the non deposit/second run of cars priced out of the market. I hope not as I still want one in three years.

This thing taken from the 1st post of this thread would be all you see at glamis or anywhere in the southwest if he had made it! I would’ve had this in my garage instead of my RZR!!!

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Hey, at least it’s down from the original asking price of best offer over $80k! “He knows what he has.”

The problem is, so does everyone else.

Speed has already announced changes that need to be made to the cars but won't be on the first runs of production.

How many runs is anyone's guess at this stage.

That alone, in my mind, should kill any excessive value of the early cars.

If Speed keeps making comments like that, 1Carl may be in for a bit of an awakening on his prices

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So I watched one of the Speed Shows out at the river. My friends bought a reservation for one? If that's what you call it?

I was embarrassed for the guy. He clearly had no Clue what he was talking about. The thing that Really struck me was him saying...

There is way more to this than I thought there would be (or some shit like that).

RG bit off a shit ton more than he could ever chew. It was sad to watch.

Hope he eventually pulls this off.

What no one cares to remember is that this went from making several hundred cars a year to multiple thousands because of consumer demand. Of course there will be challenges scaling that, and everything that goes with it.

I’d rather them admit their challenges and watch them overcome them as they have for them past 2 years as opposed to sitting in silence and delivering a car with no customer input.

The alternative is just waiting for your thing to be delivered. Would you rather have been able to sit in, touch and feel the product you’ve been waiting for? Or just get the call to pick it up.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The problem is, so does everyone else.

Speed has already announced changes that need to be made to the cars but won't be on the first runs of production.

How many runs is anyone's guess at this stage.

That alone, in my mind, should kill any excessive value of the early cars.

If Speed keeps making comments like that, 1Carl may be in for a bit of an awakening on his prices

That is like saying I won’t buy a 2022 truck because the 2023 will be better. That does not seem to stop anyone. It does not stop SXS buyers every year either.

It is obvious the cars coming out in another 18 months will have improvements.. so will the Pro Rs out in 18 months.

 

[DILLIGAF]

The problem is, so does everyone else.

Speed has already announced changes that need to be made to the cars but won't be on the first runs of production.

How many runs is anyone's guess at this stage.

That alone, in my mind, should kill any excessive value of the early cars.

If Speed keeps making comments like that, 1Carl may be in for a bit of an awakening on his prices

Its the new Bitcoin. Come on man!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Man if he would’ve stuck with the idea of stretching the 2 seat xx or similar he would’ve really made Polaris/can am look bad 2 years ago!! Then he could’ve put all his time and energy into the car he’s got going now and really hyped it up with a couple years of race results and customer feed back. Now that’s all going to start with a 100% new car that’s going to be built way over budget and probably make the non deposit/second run of cars priced out of the market. I hope not as I still want one in three years.

View attachment 1084113 This thing taken from the 1st post of this thread would be all you see at glamis or anywhere in the southwest if he had made it! I would’ve had this in my garage instead of my RZR!!!

Production of that car was not scalable and Textron didn’t think there was demand to make it. Now Speed has more reservations for its first model year than Textron Wildcats in existence.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

That is like saying I won’t buy a 2022 truck because the 2023 will be better. That does not seem to stop anyone. It does not stop SXS buyers every year either.

It is obvious the cars coming out in another 18 months will have improvements.. so will the Pro Rs out in 18 months.

Aaaannd that’s why he should’ve released a car 2 years ago!

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Production of that car was not scalable and Textron didn’t think there was demand to make it. Now Speed has more reservations for its first model year than Textron Wildcats in existence.

Aaand that’s why I said or similar!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Aaaannd that’s why he should’ve released a car 2 years ago!

Then he would be designing the same car he is designing now to compete with the new generation of cars.

The Textron Wildcat XX platform is 7 years old.

Aaand that’s why I said or similar!

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Then he would be designing the same car he is designing now to compete with the new generation of cars.

The Textron Wildcat XX platform is 7 years old.

Nope he chose to make a all new car he had other options you know that.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

That is like saying I won’t buy a 2022 truck because the 2023 will be better. That does not seem to stop anyone. It does not stop SXS buyers every year either.

It is obvious the cars coming out in another 18 months will have improvements.. so will the Pro Rs out in 18 months.

The difference is, for better or worse depending on a person's viewpoint, manufacturers don't generally tell the public that they have identified issues on presold cars that they are going to let slide and only address on vehicles being made at a later time in production.

I'm not saying the issues are large, Robbie didn't specifically identify them, I'm just saying people are now aware that if they're willing to wait a bit, they can have a car that's had fixes done to identified issues.

Not a great thing for those who bought multiple spots and are hoping to capitalize on them

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Nope he chose to make a all new car he had other options you know that.

Yea he wanted to control his own destiny, do it better, and not beholden to Textron. The car is 10x better for it.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Its the new Bitcoin. Come on man!

So far, yes.
I have more faith in Speed though.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Yea he wanted to control his own destiny, do it better, and not beholden to Textron. The car is 10x better for it.

No just beholden to hisun

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The difference is, for better or worse depending on a person's viewpoint, manufacturers don't generally tell the public that they have identified issues on presold cars that they are going to let slide and only address on vehicles being made at a later time in production.

I'm not saying the issues are large, Robbie didn't specifically identify them, I'm just saying people are now aware that if they're willing to wait a bit, they can have a car that's has fixes done to identified issues.

Not a great thing for those who bought multiple spots and are hoping to capitalize on them

He didn’t say there were issues that weren’t addressed, he said they have identified improvements and refinements for the next gen cars.

Anyone buying anything knows that the products down the road will be better and faster. It happens with cars, off road toys, phones etc. it does not stop people from buying this years iPhones, new C8 corvettes, Broncos, Pro R RZRs, etc when it is a certainty there will be better, faster models out later.

If you think that is going to diminish demand for these in the fall, you are living in a fantasy.

You had people in this thread whining that RG is trying to make the car too perfect and taking too long, now you are worried the car is not perfect enough and there will be no demand for these in the fall.

 

[rivermobster]

What no one cares to remember is that this went from making several hundred cars a year to multiple thousands because of consumer demand. Of course there will be challenges scaling that, and everything that goes with it.

I’d rather them admit their challenges and watch them overcome them as they have for them past 2 years as opposed to sitting in silence and delivering a car with no customer input.

The alternative is just waiting for your thing to be delivered. Would you rather have been able to sit in, touch and feel the product you’ve been waiting for? Or just get the call to pick it up.

If you're asking me...

I know better than to buy a (let's say) a first model release of any new vehicle.

Buying the first edition of a whole new vehicle, period?

That's a huge bag of nope for me.

And if they are asking for my input, all that does is convince me they really don't know what the fuck they are doing.