4 seat speed UTV

[Bpracing1127]

Part of me thinks that Hisun doesn’t have a full blown mfg plants for speed cars alone. So where are they getting the capacity from?

 

[WhatExit?]

If HISUN is doing assembly at their Texas plant where will the parts and engine be manufactured?

 

[attitude]

5 pages in 2 days. :thud: What did I miss? They start production yet?

The goal is 100 pages by 2022!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If HISUN is doing assembly at their Texas plant where will the parts and engine be manufactured?

We speculated on that months ago. The parts are likely made overseas, just like everyone else’s parts.

You just copied and pasted the likely answer to your question a little while ago. And that is probably why these will be built in blocks of 400-500.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Did Hisun add capacity? If not how do they expect to sustain this? If so where cuz I am not seeing that anywhere?

 

[WhatExit?]

We speculated on that months ago. The parts are likely made overseas, just like everyone else’s parts.

You just copied and pasted the likely answer to your question a little while ago. And that is probably why these will be built in blocks of 400-500.

"Likely made overseas." By whom, HISUN at their 7 million SF factory? So HISUN will manufacture most of the thousands of parts per car and ship them in containers to their assembly plant in Texas where all the parts will be assembled?

Bringing all the parts in containers into Texas will take at least 10 weeks after they're all manufactured assuming they'll all be manufactured at the same time which is unlikely.

What's this about a plant in Arizona?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

"Likely made overseas." By whom, HISUN at their 7 million SF factory? So HISUN will manufacture most of the thousands of parts per car and ship them in containers to their assembly plant in Texas where all the parts will be assembled?

Bringing all the parts in containers into Texas will take at least 10 weeks after they're all manufactured assuming they'll all be manufactured at the same time which is unlikely.

What's this about a plant in Arizona?

We don’t know who Polaris uses as suppliers, why do we need to know who Speed uses? I have a UTV on order, I don’t care about their supply chain or vendor sources as long as the final product is acceptable.

We’ve covered all this ad nauseam. The naysayer consensus then was that the parts and cars would never make it to the Sand Show from China.

Clearly they are attempting to think through the current supply chain challenges and are adapting to them, like every other company in the world.

 

[DLC]

No production yet

discussing tire pressure in the new speed tires!

some like 14.3 psi and a few inmates are dead set at 14.5 psi!

lol

 

[hman442]

No production yet

discussing tire pressure in the new speed tires!

some like 14.3 psi and a few inmates are dead set at 14.5 psi!

lol

No way. Anything over 12.7 psi will cause harmonics in the likely Chinese produced C/V axles, and cause failure after only 33.7 hours of use. I've seen it a million times.

 

[Bpracing1127]

which gauge are you using though>?

 

[Bpracing1127]

reality is i dont see a path forward to bring these online quickly they would need a 250k+ new building fully staffed and tooled up to do the volume SPEED is talking about. i dont see that anywhere. This is just for final assembly and assumes that parts are casted and made in china

 

[RiverDave]

reality is i dont see a path forward to bring these online quickly they would need a 250k+ new building fully staffed and tooled up to do the volume SPEED is talking about. i dont see that anywhere. This is just for final assembly and assumes that parts are casted and made in china

Am I missing where hisun announced their current production runs and capacities especially in relevance to the speed car?

Where are you getting this info?

 

[Joe mama]

Will these cars be available at Pep Boys?

 

[RiverDave]

Will these cars be available at Pep Boys?

We can only hope!

 

[Bpracing1127]

Am I missing where hisun announced their current production runs and capacities especially in relevance to the speed car?

Where are you getting this info?

I’m asking for the info, I can’t find anything online. It’s been said here I think but I can’t find it

 

[merc_400r]

We don’t know who Polaris uses as suppliers, why do we need to know who Speed uses? I have a UTV on order, I don’t care about their supply chain or vendor sources as long as the final product is acceptable.

We’ve covered all this ad nauseam. The naysayer consensus then was that the parts and cars would never make it to the Sand Show from China.

Clearly they are attempting to think through the current supply chain challenges and are adapting to them, like every other company in the world.

You only need to know stuff like that when things are extremely late. Other wise you could care less as long as you get your item in a timely manner.

For example before covid we never new how many computer chips where used in a car or how much stock a mfg carries and where they get there supplies from etc. Since the shortage we know every little detail to how many cars are sitting on the factory storage lot waiting for chips, to how many chips a supplier and make and who they ship them to. The speed cars are so late we are now at that level. The issues speed are working on should have been worked out a year ago which makes me think they are still a year away from shipping actual cars.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

5 pages in 2 days. :thud: What did I miss? They start production yet?

As soon as Hunter Biden affirms he and the "Big Guy" have gotten their kick backs, the Chinese will go into full production.

 

[WhatExit?]

We don’t know who Polaris uses as suppliers, why do we need to know who Speed uses? I have a UTV on order, I don’t care about their supply chain or vendor sources as long as the final product is acceptable.

We’ve covered all this ad nauseam. The naysayer consensus then was that the parts and cars would never make it to the Sand Show from China.

Clearly they are attempting to think through the current supply chain challenges and are adapting to them, like every other company in the world.

We've covered this ad nauseum - you comparing Speed to Polaris, CanAm and even Chevy (Corvette), etc. As has been said many times, Polaris, CanAm, Chevy, Ford, etc., etc. all have something Speed doesn't have: credibility. All those companies are manufacturing vehicles now, every day. Speed has yet to make or sell one production vehicle.

So asking and knowing who will make their parts and transmissions and engines and where they will be assembled will help every potential Speed car buyer have a better feel for their production plans and how far off production might be.

The fact that you don't know who's making any of the parts (well, except for the tires) and where the cars will be assembled is not good news for anyone interested in Speed's cars. And if you don't know then no one knows because you've made it clear you are THE SOURCE for all things Speed.

 

[WhatExit?]

This is what the Hisun assembly plant in Texas looks like - gives you an idea of what's involved in a UTV assembly line

 

[Ziggy]

@WhatExit?
Do you have more than one spot in the production order line? I'd be interested for a fair $ if you have an early prod#.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We've covered this ad nauseum - you comparing Speed to Polaris, CanAm and even Chevy (Corvette), etc. As has been said many times, Polaris, CanAm, Chevy, Ford, etc., etc. all have something Speed doesn't have: credibility. All those companies are manufacturing vehicles now, every day. Speed has yet to make or sell one production vehicle.

So asking and knowing who will make their parts and transmissions and engines and where they will be assembled will help every potential Speed car buyer have a better feel for their production plans and how far off production might be.

The fact that you don't know who's making any of the parts (well, except for the tires) and where the cars will be assembled is not good news for anyone interested in Speed's cars. And if you don't know then no one knows because you've made it clear you are THE SOURCE for all things Speed.

All their public design partnerships have been covered extensively here, and in the 80+ design presentations.

The fact is, the only people that care about who is making what when and where and what boat it might be on seem to be the those that aren’t involved and have no interest in the car, like you.

As I’ve said, if you don’t like what you see, don’t order a car. Speed or any other company does not owe you, me or anyone else an explanation of their design or manufacturing partnerships, processes or trade secrets.

I don’t see anyone with a car(s) order that cares where the subassemblies are coming from and who is making them, just the uninvolved naysayers.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

@WhatExit?
Do you have more than one spot in the production order line? I'd be interested for a fair $ if you have an early prod#.

Lol is that a trick question?

 

[WhatExit?]

All their design partners have been covered extensively here, and in the 80+ design presentations.

The fact is, the only people that care about who is making what when, where and what boat it might be on seem to be the those that aren’t involved and have no interest in the car.

Like I’ve said, if you don’t like what you see, don’t order a car. Speed or any other company does not owe you an explanation of their design or manufacturing partnerships.

I don’t see anyone with a car(s) that care where the subassemblies are coming from and who is making them.

Anyone reading this thread can see you are what's wrong with this thread. We're trying to have a conversation about manufacturing and you're busy telling everyone instantly how it's been covered before in one or more of the 4,170 previous posts. And you don't give anyone a chance to like or not like Speed's cars because you are the arbiter of who has the right to question or criticize Speed, its business model and their lack of openness and communication.

Just because I'm not a SXS owner nor do I own what is clearly only a spot in line doesn't disqualify me from being interested or being a potential future owner.

Take a breath and let this thread live without being a broken record. Please

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Anyone reading this thread can see you are what's wrong with this thread. We're trying to have a conversation about manufacturing and you're busy telling everyone instantly how it's been covered before in one or more of the 4,170 previous posts. And you don't give anyone a chance to like or not like Speed's cars because you are the arbiter of who has the right to question or criticize Speed, its business model and their lack of openness and communication.

Just because I'm not a SXS owner nor do I own what is clearly only a spot in line doesn't disqualify me from being interested or being a potential future owner.

Take a breath and let this thread live without being a broken record. Please

Your cup of emotions are running over again....

Stick to the memes.

For better or worse I would argue Speed has been more open about this manufacturing process than any vehicle manufacturer has been in at least this century.

And stop putting words into my mouth like LF.. I’m not talking to “everyone”.. just you.

 

[WhatExit?]

 

[Hermosa]

From Kombustion Motorsports.

 

[WhatExit?]

From Kombustion Motorsports.

You’re gonna get hammered for re-posting a meme

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You’re gonna get hammered for re-posting a meme

That one is actually funny .

 

[Hermosa]

Sorry, I just thought it was funny and kinda fit the conversation. I wish it wasn't true, would love to see them out and about.

 

[WhatExit?]

Sorry, I just thought it was funny and kinda fit the conversation. I wish it wasn't true, would love to see them out and about.

It is funny and worth re-posting but the Speed oracle frowns on memes

 

[DLC]

Hey memes are great!

what’s even more funny is Homer Simpson as Santa!! DoH

 

[Boatymcboatface]

 

[WhatExit?]

A piece of the oracle died tonight. Memes are not allowed in this sacred thread

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

You're all in line for a pummeling I'm sure.

 

[riverroyal]

A piece of the oracle died tonight. Memes are not allowed in this sacred thread

?

 

[JB in so cal]

?

he said you're a homo. Duh.

 

[riverroyal]

he said you're a homo. Duh.

That’s what I was wondering.

 

[t&y]

Ok.... 84 pages later and no i did not read the whole thing.

For the novice here, what is the standing reason that they have not begun production as of now? I thought the guy building these things was/is a very well informed and experienced driver so he definitely wasn't starting from scratch. What is the latest reason for the delay?

 

[JayBreww]

Ok.... 84 pages later and no i did not read the whole thing.

For the novice here, what is the standing reason that they have not begun production as of now? I thought the guy building these things was/is a very well informed and experienced driver so he definitely wasn't starting from scratch. What is the latest reason for the delay?

Depends on who you ask, which even then, the only ones that know for certain work for SPEED.
It’s all speculation in this thread.

 

[Outdrive1]

Ok.... 84 pages later and no i did not read the whole thing.

For the novice here, what is the standing reason that they have not begun production as of now? I thought the guy building these things was/is a very well informed and experienced driver so he definitely wasn't starting from scratch. What is the latest reason for the delay?

What pages did you read? It’s all in here, between pages 28 and 72.

 

[RiverDave]

Ok.... 84 pages later and no i did not read the whole thing.

For the novice here, what is the standing reason that they have not begun production as of now? I thought the guy building these things was/is a very well informed and experienced driver so he definitely wasn't starting from scratch. What is the latest reason for the delay?

They made a bunch of improvements over the last year abd now they are testing and making some design changes..

The car is far superior to what the original buyers bought.. prices have increased.

Delays being naysayers and haters.. haters say the cars will never be delivered or that there is huge problems.. all the way up to they are gonna go out of business.

They should be in production in the next few months, but who knows.

 

[WhatExit?]

What’s the difference between those of you with skin in the game and those of us who haven’t paid for a spot in line?

What’s the difference between “naysayers, haters and waiters?”

Perspective. And $$$.

You guys only want rainbows and lollipops while the rest of us are WATCHING.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

They made a bunch of improvements over the last year abd now they are testing and making some design changes..

The car is far superior to what the original buyers bought.. prices have increased.

Delays being naysayers and haters.. haters say the cars will never be delivered or that there is huge problems.. all the way up to they are gonna go out of business.

They should be in production in the next few months, but who knows.

You should copy this so you can paste it into this same thread in 6 months.
It'll likely still be accurate.

 

[RiverDave]

What’s the difference between those of you with skin in the game and those of us who haven’t paid for a spot in line?

What’s the difference between “naysayers, haters and waiters?”

Perspective. And $$$.

You guys only want rainbows and lollipops while the rest of us are WATCHING.

Well there is watching, hell there is even commenting..

Then there is just focusing on negatives, potential negatives, bogus information, and theories based on nothing?

If there was anything positive from some
Of these comments I could see it.. the fact is it’s a common repeat of “I’m not gonna watch the presentation videos”. (Meaning they aren’t actually interested in any information on the car)

Etc.. it Just gets Old.. especially when the people saying this stuff have little to no interest in the speed project at all.

 

[RiverDave]

If you guys are legitimately interested you should skim some of the presentation videos.. the suspension geometry, double sheer, bulk heads.. this thing is a beast and worth the wait Just on some of that alone.

These things are gonna be some of the toughest carat out there. Hell they sell an air cushioned seat for g outs, because you will likely break your back before you break the car.

 

[mash on it]

If you guys are legitimately interested you should skim some of the presentation videos.. the suspension geometry, double sheer, bulk heads.. this thing is a beast and worth the wait Just on some of that alone.

These things are gonna be some of the toughest carat out there. Hell they sell an air cushioned seat for g outs, because you will likely break your back before you break the car.

At 18 months in, Tucker had 50 cars.
And Jeep had 15,000.

This before 1950.
Speed has 4?

They need to get their ass in gear.

The fear of failure is a self fulfilling prophecy. I smell fear in the water.

Dan'l

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ok.... 84 pages later and no i did not read the whole thing.

For the novice here, what is the standing reason that they have not begun production as of now? I thought the guy building these things was/is a very well informed and experienced driver so he definitely wasn't starting from scratch. What is the latest reason for the delay?

There are worldwide supply chain problems and they designed this car from the ground up during the pandemic.

Polaris took 3 plus years to design their newest car that just came out. It debuted a year late and you still can’t actually buy one. And that was not a ground up, clean sheet of paper design.

There are obviously supply challenges adding delays, and they are making the car right so they don’t fail and go out of business with warranty claims.

The UTV leader Polaris couldn’t do it any faster than Speed is doing it in the current climate.

This car was never gonna be on time, ever. We will see how good it is, but on paper and in practice so far it is kicking ass. And it represents a significant value over the competition. As RD said the car is going to be way beyond what was promised in September 2019.

 

[Backlash]

How dare you Mash on It

Yours truly, "Mr. No Skin in the Game."

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

At 18 months in, Tucker had 50 cars.
And Jeep had 15,000.

This before 1950.
Speed has 4?

They need to get their ass in gear.

The fear of failure is a self fulfilling prophecy. I smell fear in the water.

Dan'l

Any high end UTV is a freaking space shuttle compared to a jeep or a Tucker. Polaris can’t even develop a car any faster than Speed and had to delay their newest cars a year. All of the current cars have 2-3 year development cycles.

Even if the cars come out a year from now, Speed would still be par for the course from a development perspective.

They don’t need to get their asses in gear, they need to make the best car they can with the resources and development time and $$ they have. October.

I don’t know what fear you are referring to. The Speed team seems fine, and people with deposits don’t seem worried.

 

[mash on it]

And still at 4 cars.
Hand built.
Wrong crankshaft.
Fucking cool S logo tires though.

These are facts.

Lof will argue, just to argue.

Dan'l