4 seat speed UTV

[ZSTIV]

Windshield looks great. Good to hear they are knocking things like steering and shifting off the list. They are gonna have to test this final engine revision with nikasil cylinders, so we have some time yet.

Sounds like the shifting is going to be what I alluded to earlier - It’s going to need rev matching to change gears on the fly.

How long do we think that takes? I would presume the new crank is in it as well.
Again seems like most of the small issues they had with the pre production units are being checked off/completed and sent to production so we’re getting closer. Though this revision on the motor is interesting.

 

[Loo Dog]

For sure. Crankshaft oiling is no small matter. But I definitely see the need to get something that important right…the first time. Huge implications moving forward if not. I’m honestly starting to get the “vibe” RG never envisioned this level of complication when this whole deal began, hence the delays. Captain Obvious, at your service!

 

[riverroyal]

Well... if you’re sharing let me be the first to kick it off... FUCK TOYO’s they suck balls! Who’s gonna disagree asshole?!?!

Best tires ive ever owned.

 

[cold_one]

On outsider complaining about a voluntary sales contract between a customer and a manufacturer is the definition of painting with a broad brush.

Both parties agreed to the payment terms for options. It is not a surprise they are being billed per the contract and options were voluntary.

No one is asking for “more money down”. Speed is asking for payment for options purchased per the terms of the sales contract. Speed has given terms to the potential buyer to pay what is owed for the options down the road.

@RiverDave this is probably what you were referring to.



It’s not “more money down” if the terms were already defined in the sales contract that you pay up front for options.

Incase you are not familiar with firefest, towards the end when they ran out of money they called up there customers and asked them to send them money to put on "wrist bands" as credit to pay for stuff at the festival (drinks, food, tshirts, etc). This was like a week before the festival was to start. These people were not actually buying anything but just putting money into fire festival account to spend later.

The whole goal was just to get cash infusion to keep things running a week longer. But when things went south anyone that put money into those accounts lost it. If speed goes under anyone that put money towards "accessories" will be lost. You are suppose to pay for accessories when you get close to build date. People have paid thoudsands in accessories for a month or two now with no build date in site. That's why they are saying its looking like fire fest.

 

[ElAzul]

Incase you are not familiar with firefest, towards the end when they ran out of money they called up there customers and asked them to send them money to put on "wrist bands" as credit to pay for stuff at the festival (drinks, food, tshirts, etc). This was like a week before the festival was to start. These people were not actually buying anything but just putting money into fire festival account to spend later.

The whole goal was just to get cash infusion to keep things running a week longer. But when things went south anyone that put money into those accounts lost it. If speed goes under anyone that put money towards "accessories" will be lost. You are suppose to pay for accessories when you get close to build date. People have paid thoudsands in accessories for a month or two now with no build date in site. That's why they are saying its looking like fire fest.

And still has literally nothing to do with anything in this thread FFS. Zero relevance to anything, anyone, or any financial model of the Speed biz or it's customer's. Why are we are even referencing a fraudulent douche festival on an island that never happened in this thread?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Incase you are not familiar with firefest, towards the end when they ran out of money they called up there customers and asked them to send them money to put on "wrist bands" as credit to pay for stuff at the festival (drinks, food, tshirts, etc). This was like a week before the festival was to start. These people were not actually buying anything but just putting money into fire festival account to spend later.

The whole goal was just to get cash infusion to keep things running a week longer. But when things went south anyone that put money into those accounts lost it. If speed goes under anyone that put money towards "accessories" will be lost. You are suppose to pay for accessories when you get close to build date. People have paid thoudsands in accessories for a month or two now with no build date in site. That's why they are saying its looking like fire fest.

I’m familiar with the Fyre fest charade. I’m saying paying for the accessories was always part of the deal. Speed asking for funds for accessories is not new, they have been doing it for over a year. If you elected to have 0 options, they aren’t contacting you at all because you owe nothing.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

For sure. Crankshaft oiling is no small matter. But I definitely see the need to get something that important right…the first time. Huge implications moving forward if not. I’m honestly starting to get the “vibe” RG never envisioned this level of complication when this whole deal began, hence the delays. Captain Obvious, at your service!

They never intended to make their own engine when this started. If they went with a Yamaha engine, we’d probably be driving these now. As someone said earlier unrelated to Speed - they test their engines for a couple years before going into production.

Speed is going to be close to 2 years in engine development when this is all done. It seems as if the engine works fine, they are just trying to maximize reliability.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How long do we think that takes? I would presume the new crank is in it as well.
Again seems like most of the small issues they had with the pre production units are being checked off/completed and sent to production so we’re getting closer. Though this revision on the motor is interesting.

Month or two minimum if I had to guess. It is a question of racking up the miles now. And then seeing if this change necessitates another change.

 

[Wizard29]

I’m familiar with the Fyre fest charade.

Still got your wrist band?

Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

 

[Todd Mohr]

I just caught the end of the show last night, bummed to hear about a major engine change this late in the game. Did I miss anything else that matters?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Still got your wrist band?

Sorry, couldn't resist that one.

I heard Ja Rule has a U4 too.

 

[yz450mm]

Just in case anybody wants to read the sister thread over on RDC.

Speed Pre-Order

Anyone place down a deposit for the 4 or 2-seater? Debating between getting an XX and adding some stuff or ordering the 2 seat Speed. Emailed to see about delivery though and they estimated nothing until January 2012 for the 2 seat option.

www.race-dezert.com

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Not sure who's popping the Tensor Rubber out of the molds, but they're owned by Custom Wheel House LLC, (Method Wheels) and in turn owned by Thompson Street Capital Partners who might just own everybody, everywhere, but of particular note, they're the proud owners of the one and the only ---- Drum Roll Please --------- " Len The Plumber "

Custom Wheel House

Our Companies - Thompson Street Capital Partners

Areas of interest incl. Healthcare & Life Science; Software & Technology Services; Business Services & Engineered Products.

www.tscp.com

That's all I got, please carry on. Oh and I got a RG sticker on my UTV and you don't, so HA. Although I think that young whippersnapper from Arizona, Kevin or Keith, or ? He does I think.

I took all of the stickers off mine

 

[Taboma]

I took all of the stickers off mine

View attachment 1076435

Nice I'm hoping once RG is famous, having his "RG Pro Suspension" decal will make my car worth more On the other hand, if things go sideways, I've got a great heat gun

There's a lot of graphics on those cars, that must have taken a few minutes

 

[1Carl]

 

[1Carl]

Fact- Hisun Motors Manufacturers 16,000 utility vehicles per year. (17 July, 2017) This equates to roughly 61 units per day.

What is unknown, if that is in the 300,000 sq/ft manufacturing facility in McKinney Texas, or the 7.1 million sq/ft facility in Changshou, China.

Other sources refer to a 250,000 sq/ft facility in Dallas, Texas. One in the same as McKinney Texas? Or two different locations? 32 miles apart? I don't know.

Speed UTV have somewhere between 2700 units (March, 2020, rdp) and 15,000 units (Nov, 2021, rdp).

Regardless of final revisions, and prototype testing, does Hisun have enough manufacturing facility to essentially double their production to nearly 120 units per day?

I'm just wondering if it's possible with the limited production capabilities published online. Time will tell.

Dan'l

Conner at speed had stated they were looking for an additional facility for manufacturing in Arizona besides Texas plant. So there must be a lot of orders.

 

[1Carl]

So how many spots do you all think current deposit placeholders end up selling for what they have into it, simply to recoup their investment, because they had ZERO intention of actually buying a car in the first place, a couple hundo? Not talking about crazy cousin Carl and his fantasy land clown car.

I have 6 now. Want to buy one? Pay up or back of line for you.

 

[1Carl]

This was posted by shock therapy so you think they must be impressed by speed

 

[1Carl]

 

[v6toy4x]

I left this thread 30 pages ago because it became worthless for updates.
Now after binge reading the last 30 pgs, nice to see nothing has changed!
Should know that a boating site is not the place for UTV stuff.
I was really hoping to be convinced to jump from the rock crawling world foot-long into the UTV one.
Not gonna happen.

Carry on and good luck!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I left this thread 30 pages ago because it became worthless for updates.
Now after binge reading the last 30 pgs, nice to see nothing has changed!
Should know that a boating site is not the place for UTV stuff.
I was really hoping to be convinced to jump from the rock crawling world foot-long into the UTV one.
Not gonna happen.

Carry on and good luck!

What would this thread, that has not really even been about the actual Speed product for months, have to do with you changing from rock crawling to high speed off roading?

If you like rock crawling, keep rock crawling by all means.

 

[Loo Dog]

I have 6 now. Want to buy one? Pay up or back of line for you.

Merry Christmas!

 

[v6toy4x]

What would this thread, that has not really even been about the actual Speed product for months, have to do with you changing from rock crawling to high speed off roading?

If you like rock crawling, keep rock crawling by all means.

I was hoping for some real hands on details and opinions of the various models, but it just ended up being a big argument with no real clarity after about the 50th page. Up until then I was drawn to the thread. I will stick with the speed updates and will join a UTV site to try and get real reviews. My Bad!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I was hoping for some real hands on details and opinions of the various models, but it just ended up being a big argument with no real clarity after about the 50th page. Up until then I was drawn to the thread. I will stick with the speed updates and will join a UTV site to try and get real reviews. My Bad!

If you want that start a thread in the “Off Roading” section. Alternatively, there are already many threads there with the info you are looking for.

 

[WhatExit?]

Interesting update for sure.

Sounds to me like production is still some months away

 

[riverroyal]

This was posted by shock therapy so you think they must be impressed by speed

Wtf. The body fell apart. Impressive.

I know i know. Pre production. No fucking way that video should be on the internet

 

[Orange Juice]

Will they be ready for a race?

 

[Singleton]

Conner at speed had stated they were looking for an additional facility for manufacturing in Arizona besides Texas plant. So there must be a lot of orders.

This will be interesting to follow. Since a 3rd party is executing the manufacturing, my gut says this is not good news. Most MFG’ers have an exit clause in the contract (once line is setup, mfg has to start within x days) in the contract, since Speed has not started manufacturing we could be approaching that exit. Speed has to reimburse money and find new mfg.

I hope not, but the 3rd party is out a ton of money for setup, line allocation, hiring and training, etc. and if these cars are delayed more they could just say we are done.

 

[Done-it-again]

Conner at speed had stated they were looking for an additional facility for manufacturing in Arizona besides Texas plant. So there must be a lot of orders.

That’s what you get out of that?

 

[Orange Juice]

Wtf. The body fell apart. Impressive.

I know i know. Pre production. No fucking way that video should be on the internet

It’s how things get lighten up during a race. By the end of the race, 60% of the vehicle is jettisoned.

 

[riverroyal]

Great to see one running down a trail.
But i didnt see anything special about it. Any utv looks like that on a road like that.

The body shaking was not a good look.
Maybe they forgot some attachments since they are test?
Why release the video?
So confused by the end game

Edit, i dont care. Just a conversation on a boat forum .
Legal disclaimer...this is the best utv we can buy in 2023

 

[Roaddawg]

Great to see one running down a trail.
But i didnt see anything special about it. Any utv looks like that on a road like that.

The body shaking was not a good look.
Maybe they forgot some attachments since they are test?
Why release the video?
So confused by the end game

Edit, i dont care. Just a conversation on a boat forum .
Legal disclaimer...this is the best utv we can buy in 2023

I agree the body flapping didn't look good but they didn't post that video, Shock Therapy did.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Great to see one running down a trail.
But i didnt see anything special about it. Any utv looks like that on a road like that.

The body shaking was not a good look.
Maybe they forgot some attachments since they are test?
Why release the video?
So confused by the end game

Edit, i dont care. Just a conversation on a boat forum .
Legal disclaimer...this is the best utv we can buy in 2023

That footage is from UTVWC a few months ago. It’s a race, or prep for a race, and not shot by Speed. Also it’s not the real prod body and not attached like the OEM bodies.

That is the test car that has been around for 15 months, and has 10k+ miles that entered the race and finished 5th out of 36 after running out of gas.

How does race footage of a race car have any bearing on the body quality of OEM cars?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This will be interesting to follow. Since a 3rd party is executing the manufacturing, my gut says this is not good news. Most MFG’ers have an exit clause in the contract (once line is setup, mfg has to start within x days) in the contract, since Speed has not started manufacturing we could be approaching that exit. Speed has to reimburse money and find new mfg.

I hope not, but the 3rd party is out a ton of money for setup, line allocation, hiring and training, etc. and if these cars are delayed more they could just say we are done.

Or it is just Hisun looking to create another facility to meet demand.

Recall Speed has never publicly acknowledged who will be doing their assembly. They are not going to start now.

The supply chain has threw a wrench into everything. No one is operating on manufacturing terms drafted in 2019.

Sales have grown far beyond their expectations and also probably the manufacturing expectations set in motion in 2019. Bottom line, this has been a fluid situation on both sides.

 

[mash on it]

Or it is just Hisun looking to create another facility to meet demand.

Recall Speed has never publicly acknowledged who will be doing their assembly. They are not going to start now.

(June 6, 2021)

There is not really a relationship any longer. Hisun is building the SPEED cars in Texas. The SPEED car has 0 textron parts, Robby owns all the patents for the Textron geometry, etc. The Speed car is a ground up new car, except for the Dodge truck dash parts

So, I'm wondering why?

Dan'l

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

(June 6, 2021)


So, I'm wondering why?

Dan'l

You asked this question the other day.. Speed would almost double the 4 year old reported UTV production level of Hisun. Maybe they need more capacity, or a dedicated line for Speed.

The bottom line is no one here knows. Speed isn’t going to publicize all the details anyway.

 

[riverroyal]

That footage is from UTVWC a few months ago. It’s a race, or prep for a race, and not shot by Speed. Also it’s not the real prod body and not attached like the OEM bodies.

That is the test car that has been around for 15 months, and has 10k+ miles that entered the race and finished 5th out of 36 after running out of gas.

How does race footage of a race car have any bearing on the body quality of OEM cars?

Copy...

 

[riverroyal]

That footage is from UTVWC a few months ago. It’s a race, or prep for a race, and not shot by Speed. Also it’s not the real prod body and not attached like the OEM bodies.

That is the test car that has been around for 15 months, and has 10k+ miles that entered the race and finished 5th out of 36 after running out of gas.

How does race footage of a race car have any bearing on the body quality of OEM cars?

Yore side kick carl1 posted the video. I figured it was legit

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yore side kick carl1 posted the video. I figured it was legit

All you had to do was read the description of the video?

 

[WhatExit?]

That footage is from UTVWC a few months ago. It’s a race, or prep for a race, and not shot by Speed. Also it’s not the real prod body and not attached like the OEM bodies.

That is the test car that has been around for 15 months, and has 10k+ miles that entered the race and finished 5th out of 36 after running out of gas.

How does race footage of a race car have any bearing on the body quality of OEM cars?

apologist

ə-pŏl′ə-jĭst

noun​

1. A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.
2. One who speaks or writes in defense of anything; one who champions a person or a cause, whether in public address or by literary means; one who makes an apology or defense.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

apologist

ə-pŏl′ə-jĭst

noun​

1. A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.
2. One who speaks or writes in defense of anything; one who champions a person or a cause, whether in public address or by literary means; one who makes an apology or defense.

No, I just can read . The description is very clear on what the footage is on the 3rd party video on YouTube.

Don’t buy the production car if you don’t like seeing the carbon race tailgate of the race car flapping in the wind in a race.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

New video of speed cars rolling of the assembly line.

 

[riverroyal]

All you had to do was read the description of the video?

I never read that stuff. All carl1 fault. Lol
Race rigs lose body pieces, thats perfectly fine
Why carl is trying to sell 6 spots and posts that seems like amazing sales tactics.

 

[riverroyal]

Hang on...the title is 'chasing robbie gordons speed car lake havasu'


Not speed car in a utv race. I really thought it was a speed produced video. Guess i was wrong?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hang on...the title is 'chasing robbie gordons speed car lake havasu'


Not speed car in a utv race. I really thought it was a speed produced video. Guess i was wrong?

Shock Therapy produced and posted the vid on their channel.

 

[riverroyal]

They do have their own chopper. Wonder if they will be eliminated.
did you notice the treads on the tires are a S?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

They do have their own chopper. Wonder if they will be eliminated.
did you notice the treads on the tires are a S?

Didn’t you see the thread here a couple months ago where the Shock Therapy guy rented the house @ The Islander and had his matching Eticket boat, chopper, truck, trailer and SXS all there?

Yes I noticed the tires. They covered that....a year ago

 

[DLC]

If I remember correctly it was a weekend or 2 before UTV championship when the island went red for ST.

 

[WhatExit?]

Or it is just Hisun looking to create another facility to meet demand.

Recall Speed has never publicly acknowledged who will be doing their assembly. They are not going to start now.

The supply chain has threw a wrench into everything. No one is operating on manufacturing terms drafted in 2019.

Sales have grown far beyond their expectations and also probably the manufacturing expectations set in motion in 2019. Bottom line, this has been a fluid situation on both sides.

He already has an assembly partner. The cars are being assembled at the Hisun factory in Texas.
They have used partners as manufacturing and design consultants every step of the way. That is how they have gone from an idea to working prototypes in less than a year.

HISUN Motors (Chongqing Huansong Industrial Co. Ltd.) manufactures all HISUN products (including their flagship 976cc V-Twin EFI engine) in a state-of-the-art 7.1 million square foot facility located in Chongqing, China.

Since manufacturing their very first engine in 1996, the HISUN engine manufacturing process from Product Development, Proto-Typing, Die-Casting, Machining, Assembly and Dyno-Testing are performed in-house by the HISUN R&D Engineering Team.

According to their website: Year-after-year one of the most searched terms on Google as it pertains to HISUN Motors is “Who makes the HISUN engine?” and the answer is simple, HISUN does.

Hisun is a Chinese based UTV, ATV and motorcycle manufacturer that started in 1988. While the machines are manufactured in China, the assemblies are sent to the United States as just an engine, a frame, and parts and are assembled in a 300,000 square foot warehouse in McKinney, Texas and are marketed as “almost made in the USA.” They have over 250 authorized dealers and are quickly becoming a popular brand due to their mid ranged price of entry and make UTVs for Bennche, Coleman, Cub Cadet, and Massimo.

 

[HNL2LHC]

5 pages in 2 days. :thud: What did I miss? They start production yet?