4 seat speed UTV

[Lunatic Fringe]

People didn’t say that speed asked for more money?

People didn’t say that they will fail? Lol. Because I read those things myself?

Um, yes.
They did ask for more money.
Nobody said it wasn't part of the contract but when a person gets an email requesting payment for options selected, that's pretty much asking for more money.
There is a difference between additional funds and more payments.

I haven't seen anyone say Speed would absolutely fail. Just that larger start-ups have.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I got 3 BIG bottles of SKY!

Don’t let Fran pour. That will be like 8 drinks.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Um, yes.
They did ask for more money.
Nobody said it wasn't part of the contract but when a person gets an email requesting payment for options selected, that's pretty much asking for more money.
There is a difference between additional funds and more payments.

I haven't seen anyone say Speed would absolutely fail. Just that larger start-ups have.

What you describing is part of the purchase agreement that the person signed up for when they put down the deposit. I’ve described this process 100 times, even as recently as earlier today.

If they got asked for extra funds it is because they elected to purchase options. That is the only reason.

 

[RiverDave]

Do you want me to keep giving the info I pick up week to week as this thread started out as?

If not I will let someone else handle updates.

Please..

 

[RiverDave]

Fact- Hisun Motors Manufacturers 16,000 utility vehicles per year. (17 July, 2017) This equates to roughly 61 units per day.

What is unknown, if that is in the 300,000 sq/ft manufacturing facility in McKinney Texas, or the 7.1 million sq/ft facility in Changshou, China.

Other sources refer to a 250,000 sq/ft facility in Dallas, Texas. One in the same as McKinney Texas? Or two different locations? 32 miles apart? I don't know.

Speed UTV have somewhere between 2700 units (March, 2020, rdp) and 15,000 units (Nov, 2021, rdp).

Regardless of final revisions, and prototype testing, does Hisun have enough manufacturing facility to essentially double their production to nearly 120 units per day?

I'm just wondering if it's possible with the limited production capabilities published online. Time will tell.

Dan'l

Why would they need to double production? They have said their target was 40 units a day

 

[RiverDave]

Um, yes.
They did ask for more money.
Nobody said it wasn't part of the contract but when a person gets an email requesting payment for options selected, that's pretty much asking for more money.
There is a difference between additional funds and more payments.

I haven't seen anyone say Speed would absolutely fail. Just that larger start-ups have.

If I decided to add accessories to the car abd pay for them up front that is my choice.. speed didn’t tell me to do that? They simply said if I chose to do That I’d have to pay for it which I did.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Fact- Hisun Motors Manufacturers 16,000 utility vehicles per year. (17 July, 2017) This equates to roughly 61 units per day.

What is unknown, if that is in the 300,000 sq/ft manufacturing facility in McKinney Texas, or the 7.1 million sq/ft facility in Changshou, China.

Other sources refer to a 250,000 sq/ft facility in Dallas, Texas. One in the same as McKinney Texas? Or two different locations? 32 miles apart? I don't know.

Speed UTV have somewhere between 2700 units (March, 2020, rdp) and 15,000 units (Nov, 2021, rdp).

Regardless of final revisions, and prototype testing, does Hisun have enough manufacturing facility to essentially double their production to nearly 120 units per day?

I'm just wondering if it's possible with the limited production capabilities published online. Time will tell.

Dan'l

Recall that Hisun manufactures more than just utility vehicles. That would add to their potential capacity and headroom. What those figures are, I don’t know, but it sounds like they manufacture a ton of “other stuff”

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

What you describing is part of the purchase agreement that the person signed up for when they put down the deposit. I’ve described this process 100 times, even as recently as earlier today.

If they got asked for extra funds it is because they elected to purchase options. That is the only reason.

And that's what I wrote.

 

[RiverDave]

And that's what I wrote.

Years back there was a car race between America and Russia..

The Americans won.. in Russia they said they came in second, and the Americans came in second to last..

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

If I decided to add accessories to the car abd pay for them up front that is my choice.. speed didn’t tell me to do that? They simply said if I chose to do That I’d have to pay for it which I did.

Right.
Nobody has said anything different.

 

[Taboma]

Not sure who's popping the Tensor Rubber out of the molds, but they're owned by Custom Wheel House LLC, (Method Wheels) and in turn owned by Thompson Street Capital Partners who might just own everybody, everywhere, but of particular note, they're the proud owners of the one and the only ---- Drum Roll Please --------- " Len The Plumber "

Custom Wheel House

Our Companies - Thompson Street Capital Partners

Areas of interest incl. Healthcare & Life Science; Software & Technology Services; Business Services & Engineered Products.

www.tscp.com

That's all I got, please carry on. Oh and I got a RG sticker on my UTV and you don't, so HA. Although I think that young whippersnapper from Arizona, Kevin or Keith, or ? He does I think.

 

[RiverDave]

Right.
Nobody has said anything different.

Actually about five six pages back someone did say that.. I’d show ya but I don’t want to sift through 100 posts of bullshit to find it

 

[Loo Dog]

I will back away and not post in here unless he brings me up.

LOF does act like a child and has been a dick talking down to people in here. Thats where the problem is.

But its Xmas and I will walk.

I’ve “left” twice, yet here I am. It’s like a car wreck, you HAVE to look!!!

So Toyo is the tire answer??? @LargeOrangeFont

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’ve “left” twice, yet here I am. It’s like a car wreck, you HAVE to look!!!

So Toyo is the tire answer??? @LargeOrangeFont

I don’t know for sure yet.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Years back there was a car race between America and Russia..

The Americans won.. in Russia they said they came in second, and the Americans came in second to last..

Everyone was right, this is entertaining to read.

 

[mash on it]

Why would they need to double production? They have said their target was 40 units a day

Current (Hisun) production is roughly 61 per day.
And add 40 Speed UTV cars, per day.

Yeah, not quite doubling production. I was unaware of the 40 per day figure.
That's 10k+ units.
I guess 5k units on order will be 2023 models? I don't know.

Dan'l

 

[RVR SWPR]

That’s literally the only reason I’ve kept this going. People keep telling me they love this train wreck and can’t turn away .

For 13 + years @ RDP every thread considered ”Train Wreck” has been a major success and contributed to the success of RDP. Check it out ,just a few posts back RD replied his embarrassment of association of no content comments. We might need understand that.

 

[mash on it]

Recall that Hisun manufactures more than just utility vehicles. That would add to their potential capacity and headroom. What those figures are, I don’t know, but it sounds like they manufacture a ton of “other stuff”

Those figures are from Hisun.
And about 4 years old, too.

I'm just wondering why production facilities capabilities are so top secret?

Dan'l

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Current (Hisun) production is roughly 61 per day.
And add 40 Speed UTV cars, per day.

Yeah, not quite doubling production. I was unaware of the 40 per day figure.
That's 10k+ units.
I guess 5k units on order will be 2023 models? I don't know.

Dan'l

Well let’s look at it this way working backwards.

They are setting up a line for these cars that is going to run full time for a year or so based on the production numbers. And if we assume they are currently producing their “normal” production capacity, meaning they are not producing less of their product currently waiting for Speed to start.. that means they have to factory footprint to accommodate this new model.

I think your question still stands, but I don’t see them trickling out this product. I see them ramping up and then hitting it hard to satisfy the backlog. It would make no sense to trickle out a high margin, high profile product that has a large demand.

In the end everyone wants to start getting paid. Like you, I have no idea either though.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

For 13 + years @ RDP every thread considered ”Train Wreck” has been a major success and contributed to the success of RDP. Check it out ,just a few posts back RD replied his embarrassment of association of no content comments. We might need understand that.

I understand RD’s position. It’s the same as his position on the dungeon.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Actually about five six pages back someone did say that.. I’d show ya but I don’t want to sift through 100 posts of bullshit to find it

Nor do I.
I think I know the post your referring to though.
It didn't say Speed was asking for anything outside of the contract.
I think LOF's Hater Radar detector went off prematurely and the "more money" thing went out of context.

Enjoy your hay ride.

 

[mash on it]

They private label a lot of stuff for a lot of other MFGs, I think that is why.

Yes they manufacture for others, I get that.
From their video, 50 employees.
16,000 (Hisun) utv and atv units per year in Texas.

I figured Speed would be proud of a 250,000 sq/ft in Dallas, if that was the case. The Hastings building made huge headlines.

But a Bad ass, state of the art, fully robotic, 40 units per day initial rollout facility, with no fanfare?

Silence. Not a word. I'm just wondering why?
But we know who makes the tires.

Carry on.

Dan'l

 

[RiverDave]

I understand RD’s position. It’s the same as his position on the dungeon.

At least the bs is contained in there..

I have a covid /
Vaccine forum coming soon to contain that shit

 

[RiverDave]

Nor do I.
I think I know the post your referring to though.
It didn't say Speed was asking for anything outside of the contract.
I think LOF's Hater Radar detector went off prematurely and the "more money" thing went out of context.

Enjoy your hay ride.

It said they were asking for more money.. I leaned back in my chair when I read it. Lol

 

[Bpracing1127]

gosh i was away for 30 min and it went 3 more pages lol

DLC drinks sound good and darts lol

toyo owns everyone
i know they are not goodyear

are these units going to be made as 2020 or 2021 year models?

get it here ****Sale***** excess inventory blowout 2021 MY Speed UTV. LOF custom signature included****


as customer walks up, he notices the 2024 Model of the Can AM and 2023 Model of the RZR lmao hahah

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It said they were asking for more money.. I leaned back in my chair when I read it. Lol

Get ready to debate the meaning of “asking for more money” lol.

 

[Loo Dog]

So how many spots do you all think current deposit placeholders end up selling for what they have into it, simply to recoup their investment, because they had ZERO intention of actually buying a car in the first place, a couple hundo? Not talking about crazy cousin Carl and his fantasy land clown car.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

gosh i was away for 30 min and it went 3 more pages lol

DLC drinks sound good and darts lol

toyo owns everyone
i know they are not goodyear

are these units going to be made as 2020 or 2021 year models?

get it here ****Sale***** excess inventory blowout 2021 MY Speed UTV. LOF custom signature included****


as customer walks up, he notices the 2024 Model of the Can AM and 2023 Model of the RZR lmao hahah

They are all 2022 models at this point.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

It said they were asking for more money.. I leaned back in my chair when I read it. Lol

So back to the broad brush.
More money doesn't have to be outside of the agreement.
Only if you're predisposed to see "hate" in the comments.

I'm just not seeing what I would call hate I guess.

 

[Joker]

Damm almost 100 posts in an hour or 2!

that’s some funny shit!

we might make it!!!

This is nobody’s fault but yours

 

[HCP3]

This crazy thread is sure to make the RDP hall of shame/fame.

 

[Loo Dog]

This crazy thread is sure to make the RDP hall of shame/fame.

Pretty sure by the time it’s all said and done, it will move up from #2 to the top spot in a Google search for Speed UTV. #winning!

 

[rivrrts429]

I don’t know for sure yet.

Whoever the tire company is we’re going to tear them to pieces

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Get ready to debate the meaning of “asking for more money” lol.

And get ready for your interpretation of "more money" to be the only one you give any credence to.

 

[Taboma]

Whoever the tire company is we’re going to tear them to pieces

In threads on RDP or on the trail, asking for ---- to be continued, maybe

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So back to the broad brush.
More money doesn't have to be outside of the agreement.
Only if you're predisposed to see "hate" in the comments.

I'm just not seeing what I would call hate I guess.

On outsider complaining about a voluntary sales contract between a customer and a manufacturer is the definition of painting with a broad brush.

Both parties agreed to the payment terms for options. It is not a surprise they are being billed per the contract and options were voluntary.

No one is asking for “more money down”. Speed is asking for payment for options purchased per the terms of the sales contract. Speed has given terms to the potential buyer to pay what is owed for the options down the road.

@RiverDave this is probably what you were referring to.

The asking for more money down before any delivery dates is sounding more and more like fyre fest.

And get ready for your interpretation of "more money" to be the only one you give any credence to.

It’s not “more money down” if the terms were already defined in the sales contract that you pay up front for options.

 

[RiverDave]

On outsider complaining about a voluntary sales contract between a customer and a manufacturer is the definition of painting with a broad brush.

Both parties agreed to the payment terms for options. It is not a surprise they are being billed per the contract and options were voluntary.

No one is asking for “more money down”. Speed is asking for payment for options purchased per the terms of the sales contract.




It’s not “more” if it was already defined in the sales contract.

Yore doing it again. Lol

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

On outsider complaining about a voluntary sales contract between a customer and a manufacturer is the definition of painting with a broad brush.

Both parties agreed to the payment terms for options. It is not a surprise they are being billed per the contract and options were voluntary.

No one is asking for “more money down”. Speed is asking for payment for options purchased per the terms of the sales contract.




It’s not “more” if it was already defined in the sales contract.

Exactly what I said.
Also, do not assume I don't have a vested interest in Speed succeeding.
You know WAY less about me than you think

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Exactly what I said.
Also, do not assume I don't have a vested interest in Speed succeeding.
You know WAY less about me than you think

So you agree that no one is asking for anymore money down than was agreed to up front by the buyer, and the post in question was not factual. Thank you, we are done there.

And you know even less about me. Have a good night.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yore doing it again. Lol

The bludgeon comes out after a cocktail Sarah.

 

[DMF]

Wow....grown men acting like dipshits!

 

[Outdrive1]

River Huckabees Place.

 

[Dirty Air]

River Huckabees Place.

Sound like a nice place to get a drink!

"Hay babe, meet me at RHP after work!"

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

So you agree that no one is asking for anymore money down than was agreed to up front by the buyer, and the post in question was not factual. Thank you, we are done there.

And you know even less about me. Have a good night.

The post didn't claim Speed was asking for money outside of the contract.

 

[Loo Dog]

Sound like a nice place to get a drink!

"Hay babe, meet me at RHP after work!"

RHP? River Hater’s Place? Or Huckabee?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The post didn't claim Speed was asking for money outside of the contract.

Sure it didn’t guy. Have a good night.

 

[Santee_Native]

Tonight’s short clip

Robby Gordon on Instagram

1,655 likes, 43 comments - robbygordon on December 23, 2021

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Hope y’all have a merry Christmas

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Tonight’s short clip

Robby Gordon on Instagram

1,655 likes, 43 comments - robbygordon on December 23, 2021

www.instagram.com

Hope y’all have a merry Christmas

Windshield looks great. Good to hear they are knocking things like steering and shifting off the list. They are gonna have to test this final engine revision with nikasil cylinders, so we have some time yet.

Sounds like the shifting is going to be what I alluded to earlier - It’s going to need rev matching to change gears on the fly.

 

[Dirty Air]

RHP? River Hater’s Place? Or Huckabee?

DAMN!....Why didn't I think of that?

 

[RiverDave]

River Huckabees Place.

Yes!