4 seat speed UTV

[LargeOrangeFont]

It absolutely is for the first time buyer of a SXS …kinda scary

Don’t worry, all the warning stickers take care of it!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Its not logic, more a question. LOF says these will evolve. So the 15000 pre ordered cars will evolve? Are you not concerned your car #500 (or what ever it is) will not be a 'evolved' as say car 5000? Or does evolve mean replacing broken items with better items?
Can Am, Polaris, Honda, Kawi, all release a 2022 model, they are all the same. They do have recalls to fix issues.
Speed will release a 2023 that will change throughout the year? If so, thats unique. As Ivan Stewarts break things or 'Robby' feels something is better is gets evolved? Where does that leave you in car 500? In the future the used car buyers will want the newest numbered car. Because the early units are outdated.
I suppose 'evolving' keeps the aftermarket guys dead in the water?

I agree he pioneered the industry, I guess I should thank him. Maybe find a free spot on his massive nuts to swing from.

Yes LOF, I know I know.....how is this any different than selling a 2019 Can am/Polaris to by a 2022. Its not, just a unique way to be a manufacture of a product.

Dude listen to the releases. He’s already said they have refinements in the works. When they make those we don’t know, but probably at the model year break unless a running change is needed. Version 1.0 is done. The car the early buyers are getting is done and in the can.

The ‘22 can ams are bad ass. Most of the shortcomings have been looked at.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

@1Carl post the latest Pro R failure so we can laugh at the hypocrisy of a broken Pro R you are not allowed to talk negatively about, and a plastic hood flying off a functioning Speed UTV at 100 MPH that is open season for shit talking .

 

[EmpirE231]

 

[BHC Vic]

More than a hood but ok…

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Did I hear that right 2500 miles and only a couple failures? Not to bad really these things run in the dirt 90% of the time so not surprised. As to the running 80mph+ in the dirt its not that bad in a SXS you just need to know how to read desert terrain if you don’t then I highly suggest you don’t. I’ve only take mine 80mph and that was just for a short bit in the washes at ocotillo and even at that speed the car gets pretty light and if you don’t know how to read the terrain you’re in for a bad day quick.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Did I hear that right 2500 miles and only a couple failures? Not to bad really these things run in the dirt 90% of the time so not surprised. As to the running 80mph+ in the dirt its not that bad in a SXS you just need to know how to read desert terrain if you don’t then I highly suggest you don’t. I’ve only take mine 80mph and that was just for a short bit in the washes at ocotillo and even at that speed the car gets pretty light and if you don’t know how to read the terrain you’re in for a bad day quick.

Especially with a car breaker like Robby at the wheel for a lot of those miles. Anyone who can do this to a trophy truck trailing arm is hard on stuff.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Did I hear that right 2500 miles and only a couple failures? Not to bad really these things run in the dirt 90% of the time so not surprised. As to the running 80mph+ in the dirt its not that bad in a SXS you just need to know how to read desert terrain if you don’t then I highly suggest you don’t. I’ve only take mine 80mph and that was just for a short bit in the washes at ocotillo and even at that speed the car gets pretty light and if you don’t know how to read the terrain you’re in for a bad day quick.

Keep in mind these are hand assembled prototype cars that are constantly being worked on as they design and refine.
If that can be replicated once full production starts then they're onto something for sure.
Honestly I hope they pull it off.

 

[1Carl]

You missed out today, RG was giving rides in Speed

 

[Santee_Native]

Keep in mind these are hand assembled prototype cars that are constantly being worked on as they design and refine.
If that can be replicated once full production starts then they're onto something for sure.
Honestly I hope they pull it off.

There were two cars that were hand built. The two seater was the first prototype. Then came the el jefe prototype. Those two cars were the test of concept. Then the 4 preproduction cars made their debut they did not come off the assembly line but they were assembled with production parts. Not sure on the assembly of these cars but I think they were assembled by others and Robby’s team had to finish them up for the sandshow. These are the cars they are testing now with redesigned production parts that needed addressed. Yes they are finding couple small item this week but they are running the crap out of them and by the sounds of it the green light for the first 50 assembly line cars off the production line will be green lighted soon.

 

[rivrrts429]

The two seater was the first prototype. Then came the el jefe prototype. Those two cars were the test of concept. Then the 4 preproduction cars made their debut they did not come off the assembly line but they were assembled with production parts. Not sure on the assembly of these cars but I think they were assembled by others and Robby’s team had to finish them up for the sandshow.

This is how I understood it as well, good info.

 

[HCP3]

Stirring the pot

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

There were two cars that were hand built. The two seater was the first prototype. Then came the el jefe prototype. Those two cars were the test of concept. Then the 4 preproduction cars made their debut they did not come off the assembly line but they were assembled with production parts. Not sure on the assembly of these cars but I think they were assembled by others and Robby’s team had to finish them up for the sandshow. These are the cars they are testing now with redesigned production parts that needed addressed. Yes they are finding couple small item this week but they are running the crap out of them and by the sounds of it the green light for the first 50 assembly line cars off the production line will be green lighted soon.

I do understand that these are pre-production cars but my point was simply they are not production vehicles coming off of a line that is producing 20 per day.
These cars are being disassembled in reassembled and examined with a fine tooth comb a level of inspection that the average weekend warrior will not be able to give his own machine.
Again, I do hope for the best.

 

[kat_williams]

Here you go. Episode 20 speed key explained. Now you can believe Robby and myself.

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That video is a year and a half old. I am again going by what he said in yesterday's comments and also in the live video. So yes I will believe Robby but not yourself since you 2 are saying 2 different things. Watch the video 7:30 mark, he also talks about the speed key a little.

 

[yz450mm]

At 100 that is a ton of air under that front end that just runs into the front firewall.

I guess I’ll be venting my hood

It's not something that most people would think about, including us. We were out testing the 10 car and noticed that the front end was becoming an airplane wing at high speeds, so we realized we needed to do some redneck venting of the hood. The front end has now settled down, and I can see how the Speed cars would have a similar problem if not vented.

 

[JJ McClure]

Ok. Sign me up. I’m ready to buy a cart.

Oh wait. This isn’t the shopping cart thread???

 

[702sandman]

102 just seems too fast in one of those, and I mean for the the everyday guys not the racers.

It absolutely is for the first time buyer of a SXS …kinda scary

@1Carl post the latest Pro R failure so we can laugh at the hypocrisy of a broken Pro R you are not allowed to talk negatively about, and a plastic hood flying off a functioning Speed UTV at 100 MPH that is open season for shit talking .

it’s all good shit talking hopefully you don’t take it to seriously. And yes I’ll talk shit when stuff breaks on your speed car….whenever that may be

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It's not something that most people would think about, including us. We were out testing the 10 car and noticed that the front end was becoming an airplane wing at high speeds, so we realized we needed to do some redneck venting of the hood. The front end has now settled down, and I can see how the Speed cars would have a similar problem if not vented.

X1000. My track car at 100+ MPH was like a different car with just a 2 inch air dam added to the front bumper.

These off road cars are parachutes!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It absolutely is for the first time buyer of a SXS …kinda scary

it’s all good shit talking hopefully you don’t take it to seriously. And yes I’ll talk shit when stuff breaks on your speed car….whenever that may be

It is all good with me. I have lots of respect for what you and your family does.

The friendly ribbing back and forth is great for those that can understand it and not take it personally.

 

[1Carl]

I think we should be able to block front air grill off since radiator and fans are in bed. Will stop all air drag from hitting firewall. Maybe pickup another 5mph to 107mph and fix hood problem. Will be nice not having all radiator heat and coolant lines in cab.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I think we should be able to block front air grill off since radiator and fans are in bed. Will stop all air drag from hitting firewall. Maybe pickup another 5mph to 107mph and fix hood problem. Will be nice not having all radiator heat and coolant lines in cab.

If you want to go that fast you should just buy a jet bote.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

I think we should be able to block front air grill off since radiator and fans are in bed. Will stop all air drag from hitting firewall. Maybe pickup another 5mph to 107mph and fix hood problem. Will be nice not having all radiator heat and coolant lines in cab.

“We” hmmmm……… reveal yourself batman!

Just joking, that UTV was hauling the mail in the video.

 

[River Dirt 2]

 

[CLdrinker]

It absolutely is for the first time buyer of a SXS …kinda scary

Insurance companies gonna get hit hard.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Insurance companies gonna get hit hard.

^^^This^^^

These machines are designed by a lifelong race car driver of tremendous ability.

Handing these things over to the Ricky-racer, General public is equivalent to tossing the keys of a hellcat or a120 MPH, blown flatbottom.

I have a 2015 XP4. I decided against a speed car, simply because I don’t even drive my RAZOR to its ability. My family and I drive it around the desert for recreation. And family time. 100 MPH is insane.

I know that nobody in here would ever, drink and drive a speed car, but just think about the potential accidents at high speed in these cars.

One mans opinion.

 

[1Carl]

prices going up, used for sale not mine, not a R model, $65K

 

[1Carl]

A look at the competition, glad aftermarket cage held up and no one was hurt but ball joint did not. Thinking you will still need aftermarket purchases and more $ if you’re getting one of these. Glad I’m waiting on my Speed

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

A look at the competition, glad aftermarket cage held up and no one was hurt but ball joint did not. Thinking you will still need aftermarket purchases and more $ if you’re getting one of these. Glad I’m waiting on my Speed

Yea, we all get it. Speed cars are faster and probably better built. But don’t be a stranger once the high speed crashes start to break parts as well.

One trick pony...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yea, we all get it. Speed cars are faster and probably better built. But don’t be a stranger once the high speed crashes start to break parts as well.

One trick pony...

Don’t worry. Look at reactions when a plastic hood flew off at 100 MPH, or better yet a bolt in a weld of a preproduction car.

The whole company is going under and the entire car is a failure.

prices going up, used for sale not mine, not a R model, $65K

Yep.. obsolete car now.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Don’t worry. Look at reactions when a plastic hood flew off at 100 MPH, or better yet a bolt in a weld of a preproduction car.

The whole company is going under and the entire car is a failure.



Yep.. obsolete car now.

I think you know, I’m just an interested observer. I too can see that there are folks wishing for failure.

There are obviously going to be broken parts. My belief is that the “overselling” of the toughness of this car will have less experienced operators driving above their skill levels, hurting the car, themselves or both.

I’d really like a hard ride in one with somebody who knows what both they and the car is capable of.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Insurance companies gonna get hit hard.

Lol insurance companies are already losing their ass on SxS

 

[grumpy88]

Lol insurance companies are already losing their ass on SxS

Exactly why insurance is going up and up .

 

[MonkeyButt70]

A look at the competition, glad aftermarket cage held up and no one was hurt but ball joint did not. Thinking you will still need aftermarket purchases and more $ if you’re getting one of these. Glad I’m waiting on my Speed

You are actually being an “a$$ho&e” ALL manufacturers have issues with their product. There is not a perfect SXS on the market and there will never will be. Your posts are not going to age well. Out of all the posts on the thread, you are the only one that bugs the fuck out of me.

 

[riverroyal]

You are actually being an “a$$ho&e” ALL manufacturers have issues with their product. There is not a perfect SXS on the market and there will never will be. Your posts are not going to age well. Out of all the posts on the thread, you are the only one that bugs the fuck out of me.

Ditto. I wouldn't buy a speed car from carl1 for $100.

Unfortunately the minute speed cars break my immature side will be posting just for Carl.
I might even be looking forward to it.

 

[HTTP404]

Ditto. I wouldn't buy a speed car from carl1 for $100.

Unfortunately the minute speed cars break my immature side will be posting just for Carl.
I might even be looking forward to it.

He makes me want to go buy a speed car and break it on purpose so I can post pics here.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

He makes me want to go buy a speed car and break it on purpose so I can post pics here.

I posted about opportunistic behaviors in this thread earlier.

Carl1 came to this site, posts on this site and interacts on this site, purely to cash in on his Speed car investments.

He is poaching this site for buyers, he is, by ANY definition advertising. For that, RD needs to make him pay for the opportunity.

LOF on the other hand, has been around here and contributed in the lounge and had the balls to try to moderate the dungeon. He isn’t here purely on speculation. In my opinion LOF is an asset to this site.

Carl stands to gain, financially from his posting here, he posts on one thread, and one only. I believe this is why some, including myself, feel as we do.

 

[DILLIGAF]

I posted about opportunistic behaviors in this thread earlier.

Carl1 came to this site, posts on this site and interacts on this site, purely to cash in on his Speed car investments.

He is poaching this site for buyers, he is, by ANY definition advertising. For that, RD needs to make him pay for the opportunity.

LOF on the other hand, has been around here and contributed in the lounge and had the balls to try to moderate the dungeon. He isn’t here purely on speculation. In my opinion LOF is an asset to this site.

Carl stands to gain, financially from his posting here, he posts on one thread, and one only. I believe this is why some, including myself, feel as we do.

I just checked and you are 100% accurate. He is just a spammer.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

I posted about opportunistic behaviors in this thread earlier.

Carl1 came to this site, posts on this site and interacts on this site, purely to cash in on his Speed car investments.

He is poaching this site for buyers, he is, by ANY definition advertising. For that, RD needs to make him pay for the opportunity.

LOF on the other hand, has been around here and contributed in the lounge and had the balls to try to moderate the dungeon. He isn’t here purely on speculation. In my opinion LOF is an asset to this site.

Carl stands to gain, financially from his posting here, he posts on one thread, and one only. I believe this is why some, including myself, feel as we do.

I could not agree more, Carl1 is an "ADVERTISER"

 

[RiverDave]

So it will do 102 but governed at 87?

Another amazing marketing move 'robby'

Why post a video of it doing 102 and a hood flying off? Why

I kind of admire his transparency.. I realize it gives the haters Ammo, but I think it’s great he is taking us through the design, prototype and testing process.

Honestly it’s how I’d do it, but in fairness it isn’t the best marketing strategy. In modern times If everything isn’t a home run then it must be shit..

I talked to a few boat manufacturers years ago about releasing a new model and doing articles on how they dial them in, and get them running properly.

The answer was unanimous across the board. Not only “no” but “fuck no”. Lol


Every Mfg wants to say that they hit a home run right out of the gate.. to keep it diminishes what it takes to really make a superior product.

RD

 

[Loo Dog]

You are actually being an “a$$ho&e” ALL manufacturers have issues with their product. There is not a perfect SXS on the market and there will never will be. Your posts are not going to age well. Out of all the posts on the thread, you are the only one that bugs the fuck out of me.

This . Thanks, I thought I was the only one. Carl is not here on this forum for ANY reason other than his obvious d-bag agenda.

 

[RiverDave]

If speed sticks with this design in full, and they have 15000 orders, it will take 2 years to get number 15000 done.
If they start coming up with the next ‘best thing’ in 2 years from now it will be another few years until it’s ready to be released. That’s 4 ish years

In 4 ish years the other guys will be equal or better. Assuming this 1st car smokes the rest .

The speed company is focused on today. Which they should. But once that assembly line gets rolling they need to think long term. Which is future models.
They may have this planned already.

Riveroyal, what you are saying makes absolutely no sense.

They sold 15,000 spots.. not 15,000 exact cars.

As they progress in the numbers if things change with the car the later cars will be the updated models.

Even the early spots like mine have already evolved into something better from what I bought.

Why would you think that would change?

Honestly I think some of you guys are just saying shit to say shit..

 

[JayBreww]

Even the early spots like mine have already evolved into something better from what I bought.

Curious about this statement.
What did the evolve into? From what? The car from SSSS 3 years ago?

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Riveroyal, what you are saying makes absolutely no sense.

They sold 15,000 spots.. not 15,000 exact cars.

As they progress in the numbers if things change with the car the later cars will be the updated models.

Even the early spots like mine have already evolved into something better from what I bought.

Why would you think that would change?

Honestly I think some of you guys are just saying shit to say shit..

Funny.

When I said cars further into the build process would have improvements made to them (per Robbie Gordon himself) and thus in many minds would have more value than 1Carls build #35 at $80K, LOF Psaki lost her mind and claimed ONLY some wiring and coolant lines were to be addressed. Parroting a comment you made.
She even went so far as to imply I think you 3 should just move into cardboard boxes and apply for food stamps because I must think your cars have no value. Obviously not what I said.

Here comes a different member suggesting evolution during the builds wouldd be needed and Ms. Psaki attacks him saying of course they will do that and cars built further into the process will absolutely be better.

 

[riverroyal]

I posted about opportunistic behaviors in this thread earlier.

Carl1 came to this site, posts on this site and interacts on this site, purely to cash in on his Speed car investments.

He is poaching this site for buyers, he is, by ANY definition advertising. For that, RD needs to make him pay for the opportunity.

LOF on the other hand, has been around here and contributed in the lounge and had the balls to try to moderate the dungeon. He isn’t here purely on speculation. In my opinion LOF is an asset to this site.

Carl stands to gain, financially from his posting here, he posts on one thread, and one only. I believe this is why some, including myself, feel as we do.

Nailed it

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Funny.

When I said cars further into the build process would have improvements made to them (per Robbie Gordon himself) and thus in many minds would have more value than 1Carls build #35 at $80K, LOF Psaki lost her mind and claimed ONLY some wiring and coolant lines were to be addressed. Parroting a comment you made.
She even went so far as to imply I think you 3 should just move into cardboard boxes and apply for food stamps because I must think your cars have no value. Obviously not what I said.

Here comes a different member suggesting evolution during the builds wouldd be needed and Ms. Psaki attacks him saying of course they will do that and cars built further into the process will absolutely be better.

I wish you were literate.

Find where I said the cars won’t change and evolve. They were always going to make running changes year over year like every other vehicle in existence.

You said Carl’s cars would not be desirable because RG announced the obvious that they will be improving the cars over time. Because you don’t listen we showed you the next sentence that said they are going to change some coolant line and electrical routing, that changes nothing about the performance of the car, then you said I changed your posts and you backed off your uninformed position.

Once again find where I said they cars won’t change and evolve year over year.

 

[riverroyal]

Riveroyal, what you are saying makes absolutely no sense.

They sold 15,000 spots.. not 15,000 exact cars.

As they progress in the numbers if things change with the car the later cars will be the updated models.

Even the early spots like mine have already evolved into something better from what I bought.

Why would you think that would change?

Honestly I think some of you guys are just saying shit to say shit..

Not starting shit. Just trying to understand wtf they are doing.
Does it not concern you that your early spot will become less valuable if they evolve continuously?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Curious about this statement.
What did the evolve into? From what? The car from SSSS 3 years ago?

They have been changing the car for a year from the original design while waiting for supply chain and design challenges. They redesigned the cold side of the intake tract, the oiling system, the rear door latch, and on and on and on.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Not starting shit. Just trying to understand wtf they are doing.
Does it not concern you that your early spot will become less valuable if they evolve continuously?

I’ll ask you the same thing about your Can Am. Doesn’t it concern you that it is loosing value yearly?

It’s the exact same scenario.

As you know, the early people got in for a discount. Those people will be fine on resale.

If you want to know what’s going on so badly, maybe watch the weekly releases. There is like 100 weeks of information now.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think you know, I’m just an interested observer. I too can see that there are folks wishing for failure.

There are obviously going to be broken parts. My belief is that the “overselling” of the toughness of this car will have less experienced operators driving above their skill levels, hurting the car, themselves or both.

I’d really like a hard ride in one with somebody who knows what both they and the car is capable of.

I’ll PM you.. got some real world info from another member that got a ride in Parker yesterday. He was impressed, and said RG took the time to answer everyone’s questions that was out there getting rides.

They are out there trying to break the cars and find their limits. They have over 10k miles on the test cars

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

He makes me want to go buy a speed car and break it on purpose so I can post pics here.

Carl’s strategy seems to be working then?