Watch guys?

[clarence]

Liking this.

 

[Hi-Jacked]

Local company here in Detroit, Shinola watch. Its a Canfield Sport 45mm.

 

[sfury01]

Moved to Havasu from OC and wondering who to use for getting a Rolex serviced close to Havasu? Vegas? Phoenix? TIA

 

[clarence]

I'm pretty enamored with one of the Porsche Design watches:

Porsche Design | PORSCHE SHOP

www.porsche-design.com

Thoughts?

A dozen other watches later, finally ordered the PD.

 

[FlyByWire]

Was supposed to be a gift to myself for retirement, as it would have taken that long for a new one from an AD. But I found one I had to have..

2018 stainless sub date.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Was supposed to be a gift to myself for retirement, as it would have taken that long for a new one from an AD. But I found one I had to have..

2018 stainless sub date.

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Congratulations...

 

[Thing One]

Can someone just please let me know when I can go into a AD and buy or order a stainless sports Rolex watch and get it for retail? I’m out till then.

 

[lakemadness]

Can someone just please let me know when I can go into a AD and buy or order a stainless sports Rolex watch and get it for retail? I’m out till then.

 

[FlyByWire]

Can someone just please let me know when I can go into a AD and buy or order a stainless sports Rolex watch and get it for retail? I’m out till then.

Depends how good you are at sexual favors perhaps.

I couldn’t get them to sell me one for nothing.

 

[Thing One]

Depends how good you are at sexual favors perhaps.

I couldn’t get them to sell me one for nothing.

I know, such a shitty system now. Flippers making all the money. I had a Batman lined up a few years back, waited for about 18 months, got the call and then the owner sells it to his good “buddy”. Been done with them since then.

 

[McKay]

Was supposed to be a gift to myself for retirement, as it would have taken that long for a new one from an AD. But I found one I had to have..

2018 stainless sub date.

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Good call! I like the 40’s a lot more than the 41’s.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Can someone just please let me know when I can go into a AD and buy or order a stainless sports Rolex watch and get it for retail? I’m out till

Rolex is changing the program for 2025. You will start seeing watches becoming available at ADs. The grey market is shifting on prices below retail since this change within Rolex. There will still be VIP watches such as the Daytona, Pepsi and other bespoke offerings. I just got a call from my AD last week basically asking what watches do I want and they can get them without conditions or buying other models I do not want.

 

[Dog]

WTF is this "AD" everyone is so infatuated with? I have no idea what is going on here?

 

[Kachina26]

WTF is this "AD" everyone is so infatuated with? I have no idea what is going on here?

Authorized Dealer

 

[FlyByWire]

WTF is this "AD" everyone is so infatuated with? I have no idea what is going on here?

The GateKeepers

 

[McKay]

Rolex is changing the program for 2025. You will start seeing watches becoming available at ADs. The grey market is shifting on prices below retail since this change within Rolex. There will still be VIP watches such as the Daytona, Pepsi and other bespoke offerings. I just got a call from my AD last week basically asking what watches do I want and they can get them without conditions or buying other models I do not want.

What Bespoke offerings are there from Rolex?

 

[RandyH]

Didnt the ADs create this mess? They sold thier inventories to the Grey Market buyers with just one phone call? Rolex should fire anyone who did this. IMO.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

What Bespoke offerings are there from Rolex?

What Bespoke offerings are there from Rolex?

Anniversary editions, celebrations etc

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Rolex is changing the program for 2025. You will start seeing watches becoming available at ADs. The grey market is shifting on prices below retail since this change within Rolex. There will still be VIP watches such as the Daytona, Pepsi and other bespoke offerings. I just got a call from my AD last week basically asking what watches do I want and they can get them without conditions or buying other models I do not want.

Of course you told him you wanted a steel Panda for $15.5k retail.. Tell me you did.. lol

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Of course you told him you wanted a steel Panda for $15.5k retail.. Tell me you did.. lol

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One could only hope. I have always wanted a Daytona. But I would never buy one, for me the only way I would wear it is if I won it racing.

 

[clarence]

Can someone just please let me know when I can go into a AD and buy or order a stainless sports Rolex watch and get it for retail? I’m out till then.

If you (and everyone else) could just go into a AD or order a stainless sports Rolex watch and get it for retail (meaning it'd depreciate), are you sure you'd still want one?

 

[McKay]

Anniversary editions, celebrations etc

Gotcha, I was just confused as that's not the definition of Bespoke.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Gotcha, I was just confused as that's not the definition of Bespoke.

Well Bespoke in general means made/created for a particular person, organization or purpose…. I think I understand the use of the word.

 

[McKay]

Well Bespoke in general means made/created for a particular person, organization or purpose…. I think I understand the use of the word.

What watch has Rolex made, created, customized for a paticular person?

Not saying they have not I just have never seen one. AP, Patek, have done this on an extremly rare occasions for the likes of Ed Sheeren and Tom Bradey, etc.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

What watch has Rolex made, created, customized for a paticular person?

Not saying they have not I just have never seen one. AP, Patek, have done this on an extremly rare occasions for the likes of Ed Sheeren and Tom Bradey, etc.

True Patek has and extremely rare. But Im not going to sit an argue with you on the various meanings of bespoke. It was meant for an occasion like an anniversary edition.

 

[McKay]

True Patek has and extremely rare. But Im not going to sit an argue with you on the various meanings of bespoke. It was meant for an occasion like an anniversary edition.

Because you used the wrong word, you don't have an anything to argue on. Had you said Limited, Anniversay, Precious stones etc I would have agreed.

Now in the decades past yes they were known to logo dials/case backs etc for some corporations/ tribes etc. But have not seen anything like that in a long time.

 

[Thing One]

If you (and everyone else) could just go into a AD or order a stainless sports Rolex watch and get it for retail (meaning it'd depreciate), are you sure you'd still want one?

Absolutely. I just like the look, don't really care if they are more common. Not looking to be in an exclusive club.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Because you used the wrong word, you don't have an anything to argue on. Had you said Limited, Anniversay, Precious stones etc I would have agreed.

Now in the decades past yes they were known to logo dials/case backs etc for some corporations/ tribes etc. But have not seen anything like that in a long time.

Ok McKay thank you for correcting me on the word and its use.

 

[clarence]

Absolutely. I just like the look, don't really care if they are more common. Not looking to be in an exclusive club.

Why not just buy one grey market then?

Easy enough.

And probably less expensive factoring in depreciation than if you could buy it for retail at the AD.


And I do get the annoyance at the games the ADs play, but that only means MSRP is underpriced.

(I can't order a GT3 without paying ADM either.)

 

[McKay]

Ok McKay thank you for correcting me on the word and its use.

Anytime!

 

[Thing One]

Why not just buy one grey market then?

Easy enough.

And probably less expensive factoring in depreciation than if you could buy it for retail at the AD.


And I do get the annoyance at the games the ADs play, but that only means MSRP is underpriced.

(I can't order a GT3 without paying ADM either.)

For me it's principle. 11K MSRP, 18K+ grey market? This is a want, not a need. And I get it on the GT3 also, just bugs the shit out of me.

 

[McKay]

Why not just buy one grey market then?

Easy enough.

And probably less expensive factoring in depreciation than if you could buy it for retail at the AD.


And I do get the annoyance at the games the ADs play, but that only means MSRP is underpriced.

(I can't order a GT3 without paying ADM either.)

I totally agree, if you want it just go get it.

I don't like they buying experience at AD's, I find it stuffy and they always want to try and shove other models on you that you don't want. I have had that from many AD's and especially Boutiques from Rolex, Vacheron, Lange, AP, Omega etc.

Find it online at a reputable source, send a wire and have it the next day delivered to your door.

 

[ChevelleSB406]

Because you used the wrong word, you don't have an anything to argue on. Had you said Limited, Anniversay, Precious stones etc I would have agreed.

Now in the decades past yes they were known to logo dials/case backs etc for some corporations/ tribes etc. But have not seen anything like that in a long time.

The Dominos watch Love that ugly thing. You have got me thinking though if there are any true "piece uniques" from Rolex. Even their lifetime ambassadors like Roger Federer, I only can picture off catalog, limited edition pieces. No piece unique. AP and Patek will get down on their knees for their celebs and do a piece unique every year for Ed Sheeran, John Mayer, Kevin Hart, all that nonsense. Tom Brady's recent one is so god awful, that he wore at the roast.

 

[McKay]

The Dominos watch Love that ugly thing. You have got me thinking though if there are any true "piece uniques" from Rolex. Even their lifetime ambassadors like Roger Federer, I only can picture off catalog, limited edition pieces. No piece unique. AP and Patek will get down on their knees for their celebs and do a piece unique every year for Ed Sheeran, John Mayer, Kevin Hart, all that nonsense. Tom Brady's recent one is so god awful, that he wore at the roast.

Agreed on Tom's AP. I can't believe AP would do that. It was so ugly he already sold it.

A couple (?) years ago Drake was seen wearing a iced out baguette Sky-Dweller and the rumor was it was piece unique. Most everyone in the watch world called bullshit on it. Another popped up within a month or two on the grey market and proved them right. Rolex does not do Bespoke/Piece Unique.

 

[ChevelleSB406]

Agreed on Tom's AP. I can't believe AP would do that. It was so ugly he already sold it.

A couple (?) years ago Drake was seen wearing a iced out baguette Sky-Dweller and the rumor was it was piece unique. Most everyone in the watch world called bullshit on it. Another popped up within a month or two on the grey market and proved them right. Rolex does not do Bespoke/Piece Unique.

The dumbest thing about the Brady watch, his business is literally called "TB12", and you can't land that somehow at the top of the dial, and then you want to highlight 7 rings, so you insert roman numerals where they don't belong. They should have used sapphires or something and had the 7 at the 7 position, but as a different color. Ugh, anyway, the whole thing was wank anyway and a HEY LAM piece anyway, no taste involved.

 

[FlyByWire]

I know, such a shitty system now. Flippers making all the money. I had a Batman lined up a few years back, waited for about 18 months, got the call and then the owner sells it to his good “buddy”. Been done with them since then.

That’s frustrating as hell. The store I got this sub from had a batgirl, and I was tempted, but I don’t like the jubilee bracelet that much.

I’m not a watch “guy” and all the ‘fancy’ watches I’ve owned have been sub homage watches.

It’s always just been about the stainless sub date for me.. and for a long time I wanted it to be a 1982 model (my birth year), until I saw one in person.

That said I can’t rule out also getting myself a Starbucks

 

[clarence]

For me it's principle. 11K MSRP, 18K+ grey market? This is a want, not a need. And I get it on the GT3 also, just bugs the shit out of me.

Yeah, but what's MSRP mean anyway? Market value is all that matters.

Why should an AD (or dealership) sell you something for less than that?

Do you hesitate to buy from the grey market when they offer new watches at below MSRP? It's the same thing.

(What frustrates me about the GT3 is not being able to configure it the way I want.)

 

[clarence]

My favorite Rolex:

“It’s Alive!” A True Frankenstein - 6 Watches in One - Bob's Watches

Happy Halloween. We present to you a Frankenstein Rolex. Beware of this crazy watch as you will see multiple watches in one.

www.bobswatches.com

 

[McKay]

Yeah, but what's MSRP mean anyway? Market value is all that matters.

Why should an AD (or dealership) sell you something for less than that?

Do you hesitate to buy from the grey market when they offer new watches at below MSRP? It's the same thing.

(What frustrates me about the GT3 is not being able to configure it the way I want.)

Completely agree.

Anyone who things they will get a stainless Daytona at retail without purchase history, meaning buying 50-75k minimum worth of jewelry or less desirable watches that loose 50% more value when you walk out the door are kidding themselves. Just buy it at 28-30k and move on.

Sub Dates I see in the chats almost everyday I look for right about $1k over retail including sales tax.

Retail is not the real price of a stainless Daytona and has not been for 25 years.

Some GMT’s you could get below retail from an AD a decade ago.

 

[ChevelleSB406]

Yeah, but what's MSRP mean anyway? Market value is all that matters.

Why should an AD (or dealership) sell you something for less than that?

Do you hesitate to buy from the grey market when they offer new watches at below MSRP? It's the same thing.

(What frustrates me about the GT3 is not being able to configure it the way I want.)

Its the principal for me. If the world was charging market rate, I would probably pay it. Just like dealership addendums, rich and poor alike, here is your 10k markup. What I hate, and will not do, is fund backroom deals for flippers and dishonest AD's to supplement their money. That is my current feeling. I currently won't pay more than everyone else, I will pay the same. Whatever it may be.

I could have bought all my Omegas from my local rolex place for no discount and tax, however, what I have saved on those, goes towards the margin for me to buy a GMT on the gray market. I am just mentally not there yet. Hell, I even bought my recent tudor from my Florida friends, instead of the rolex AD, as they wanted me to put a $500 deposit down on the phone for them to hold one back for me to even look at. For a fucking Tudor. That told me they were all into the silly marketing false scarcity, so yet another AD in California I won't go back to. I am running out of places

 

[clarence]

Its the principal for me. If the world was charging market rate, I would probably pay it.

Not trying to be argumentative here, but what is the principal?

The world does charge market rate. No one buys at MSRP.

 

[McKay]

Not trying to be argumentative here, but what is the principal?

The world does charge market rate. No one buys at MSRP.

Exactly! If you truly want to buy a Pepsi, Batman or Daytona from an AD, etc. You can do that at MSRP, but you will buying a lot of other shit you don’t want which will make that Daytona way more expensive than just buying it Grey.

MSRP is a bullshit number that no one buys at for the desirable models.

 

[clarence]

It only seems odd because Rolex (and Porsche) set MSRP below market value.

Most others set it at or above.

But there's no difference between them.

Just like some housing markets price homes below expected selling value to generate interest and a bidding war, others price homes above and expect to be countered down.

 

[Bajastu]

Whenever I promoted throughout the years, I always bought myself a watch. I have a Tag, Brightling, and a Rolex. My go to watch is my Rolex that is 19 years old. Needless to say, I don't really promote too much any more due to making my way too hign in the company. It's hard to take the owners spot.

Anyways, I always loved this datejust turn-o-graph thunderbird. I custom ordered it back in 2006. The Thunder Bird watches intrigued me with thier history, black face, and red second hand. It's not that fancy but it's what I wanted.

 

[ChevelleSB406]

Not trying to be argumentative here, but what is the principal?

The world does charge market rate. No one buys at MSRP.

Again, lets not try and be rational talking about luxury watches , but yes, I am annoyed by those that can walk in and pay list at a rolex store because of being connected somehow, but yes also, those that get allocation after dropping 50k on worthless bullshit, I still come out ahead of the game total cost of ownership. I guess I don't have a "warm and fuzzy" approach for me yet personally, where I feel good about spending my money on that piece. That might change of course. There is not much on my immediate horizon, but maybe a Santos or a Duoface Reverso will be next instead, with an enjoyable experience.

 

[clarence]

. . . maybe a Santos or a Duoface Reverso will be next instead, with an enjoyable experience.

Yeah, taking a different tack is the other option.

I buy Omegas rather than Rolexes and I'll modify a T into a GT3 beater.

 

[El Rojo]

Blue collar guy here, who finds this thread fascinating...so if I pony up the 20g's ( I have no idea what these watches cost, not even sure if there's an entry level point on stuff like this.... 20g's is a number pulled out of my ass ) and walk into an "AD" mortor/concrete store and say "I want this one please" I still can't have it?

Jay Leno on a podcast said the similar thing once about Ferrari, as to why he doesn't own any...

 

[Kachina26]

Blue collar guy here, who finds this thread fascinating...so if I pony up the 20g's ( I have no idea what these watches cost, not even sure if there's an entry level point on stuff like this.... 20g's is a number pulled out of my ass ) and walk into an "AD" mortor/concrete store and say "I want this one please" I still can't have it?

Jay Leno on a podcast said the similar thing once about Ferrari, as to why he doesn't own any...

Yup

 

[clarence]

Blue collar guy here, who finds this thread fascinating...so if I pony up the 20g's ( I have no idea what these watches cost, not even sure if there's an entry level point on stuff like this.... 20g's is a number pulled out of my ass ) and walk into an "AD" mortor/concrete store and say "I want this one please" I still can't have it?

Jay Leno on a podcast said the similar thing once about Ferrari, as to why he doesn't own any...

Yep. Some watches (and cars) trade for more than they retail for.

If allowed to by the manufacturer, dealers will just adjust the price up to meet the market. If not allowed to, dealers will make you spend on other watches or jewelry (or cars) before you are offered the opportunity to buy.

Usually deliberate on the part of the manufacturer because they earn more selling more lesser goods above market value plus the halo good at under than if they sold only the halo good at market value.

 

[clarence]