Windsor AZ Park - Policy Change - 50 FT oversize

[Riverbottom]

Another reason I will stay in Parker. I have never paid to launch anywhere in Parker or the lower river.

 

[Bobby V]

Everytime I drove through last weekend with my pass, they asked how many people we had in the car and what the ages were. He was cool about it since I was totally caught off guard and had no words.

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Did you get a senior discount for @milkmoney lol

 

[Bpracing1127]

I’m glad I’ll be launching at the Islander this year

 

[milkmoney]

Did you get a senior discount for @milkmoney lol

For the last time , I don't get notifications and yore older than me ....fuckstick

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[Ziggy]

Where is the LHMA when you need them?

What can they do?
It's a state government thing, not a podunk city issue.

 

[Bobby V]

For the last time , I don't get notifications and yore older than me ....fuckstick

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So how did you know to reply to my post? Drumstick...

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Fuck this. I’m selling my boat.

 

[Singleton]

Fuck this. I’m selling my boat.

You do that monthly already

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Dont remind me....lol.

I stumbled and was like "2 adults and 5 kids".......he looks at me and nods saying "and 3 kids are under 12, right?"

This was on Friday and Saturday. Sunday, nothing and didnt even check ID.


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Obviously this is a attempted money grab. I mean honestly if you are launching your boat, what is the difference? You aren’t camping, you are launching a boat and parking your car there for several hours. These “extra people” will have their feet on the state park grounds for a couple minutes to get on and off the boat. Your $200 a year should cover that. There is not even a bathroom there to use anymore.

If you were camping or hiking or some crap like that, sure I could at least see the rationale of charging for more people.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

There is some validity to this, but the $10 doesn’t solve anything. They need to set aside spots for longer rigs, if you have a bigger boat the spots in the main lot will have your trailer hanging out pretty far into the aisle just waiting for some body clueless to take it out.

I had always heard that there was a boat length limit at Windsor and that big boats were supposed to use the marina, however I’ve seen a 40 foot skater being launched at Windsor and that really does cause a bit of a shit show with the short ramps. The big boats should be directed to the far south ramp, that one has much longer aisles.

 

[USMC2010]

On the state parks web site a few places list oversized parking fees. Only Cattail cove has a length listed of 55' that I have found.

 

[CobraDave]

What the latest on the south ramp being built? Is it happening? Site 6 is looking more appealing to me.


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[OldSchoolBoats]

What the latest on the south ramp being built? Is it happening? Site 6 is looking more appealing to me.


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It had been done for awhile now. It is steep and the walk from ramp to car is kind of long.

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[LargeOrangeFont]

What the latest on the south ramp being built? Is it happening? Site 6 is looking more appealing to me.


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Ramp 4 (the southern most one) is there. It is close to the entrance of the channel.

None of this affects me very often, it is just dumb if it starts being the norm.

 

[Taboma]

 

[CobraDave]

I meant the new one near Thompson Bay. Have they released what the plan is with that and if it’s gonna be a public ramp?


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[CHECKERED_PAST]

They flagged me last Thursday for desert storm but was just notifying me of the change. So I pulled up Friday morning and they just checked Id for the pass and sent me! I had a $10 in my hand waiting but nobody said a thing! Guess when you have 48-52’ cats pulling in they let it slide[emoji57]


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[CHECKERED_PAST]

I figured it was a normal fee, I’ve never had anything bigger then a 28 behind me in Havasu and I generally launch at the marina on the island.


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[LargeOrangeFont]

I meant the new one near Thompson Bay. Have they released what the plan is with that and if it’s gonna be a public ramp?


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That will be available after the rack storage goes in.

It looks like they put in a nice 4 lane road down to that area though.

 

[Kachina26]

That will be available after the rack storage goes in.

It looks like they put in a nice 4 lane road down to that area though.

Point me toward the original 'rack storage' post. I'm lost.

 

[RiverDave]

Only reason I keep that stupid timeshare is the launch ramp + I trade my week to better places

I can’t stand the dirt / dust or I’d do the same.

 

[throttle]

I think I am 55’ with new boat and Tundra. I almost always launch at marina anyway tho. Maybe they tryin a new twist to keep oversized rif raf out. [emoji23]

Don’t they charge for additional people and dogs too? Seems lame!
I would rather just make a donation and know that that my money stays local at Windsor.


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[WATERDOG]

Wheres the thumbs down button! Ive heard there has been a lot longer lines to get i With the actual checking of ids for anual passes and what not. Heard if you get cought using an anual that your name isn't on it gets confiscated.

Yes they have started checking again. Not so sure of confiscated though.

 

[185EZ]

Whole thing sounds silly to me
If I have to buy a pass at Windsor and then pay extra for my toon and extra people then I'll just pay the daily fee at the havasu marina and stop with the annual pass.
And the marina is good for boats up to 32'

 

[Hullbilly]

Whole thing sounds silly to me
If I have to buy a pass at Windsor and then pay extra for my toon and extra people then I'll just pay the daily fee at the havasu marina and stop with the annual pass.
And the marina is good for boats up to 32'

When did they start charging extra for people in the vehicle? When I lived there they saw your year pass and waved as you drove past the guard shack.

This seems like nothing more than a money grab

 

[Joe mama]

I think the whole country is trying to get into your pockets. Doesn’t matter how much you have.....if they could charge for being to short they would.

 

[Outdrive1]

So 30 bucks to launch over 50’?


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[grumpy88]

Sounds reasonable . Black meadow landing charged us for a campsite and would of charged for the dog . We were only launching the boat and leaving at the end of the day . It's blm land also .

 

[Outdrive1]

Sounds reasonable . Black meadow landing charged us for a campsite and would of charged for the dog . We were only launching the boat and leaving at the end of the day . It's blm land also .

Windsor is a State Park. Like Cattail and Buckskin.


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[grumpy88]

Windsor is a State Park. Like Cattail and Buckskin.


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I know that I was just putting it into perspective what a federal land park charged to launch a boat

 

[Big B Hova]

Site 6 is free

 

[milkmoney]

So how did you know to reply to my post? Drumstick...

Because I logged in and seen your post.
Duh

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[DRYHEAT]

I think you should all go to Mead and Mohave in protest.

Or better yet Parker, someone said there’s no launch fees.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Pass is good for up to 3 additional adults.
Not sure what the fee is for more
Also it doesn't give a length but only "oversize"
I think the marina fees are even less for the daily fee
Park Entrance Fee
Per Vehicle:
$20 (Fri - Sun and holidays)
$15 (Mon - Thu)
Oversize parking: $10 additional

When you buy the pass is does not say anything about being subject to oversize vehicle fees, on top of the price of the pass.

 

[milkmoney]

I think you should all go to Mead and Mohave in protest.

Or better yet Parker, someone said there’s no launch fees.

Parker closed. Mohave or lower river

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[Singleton]

I can’t stand the dirt / dust or I’d do the same.

It’s not that bad. Then again, I drive slower then slow when in that lot

 

[done]

There is some validity to this, but the $10 doesn’t solve anything. They need to set aside spots for longer rigs, if you have a bigger boat the spots in the main lot will have your trailer hanging out pretty far into the aisle just waiting for some body clueless to take it out.

I had always heard that there was a boat length limit at Windsor and that big boats were supposed to use the marina, however I’ve seen a 40 foot skater being launched at Windsor and that really does cause a bit of a shit show with the short ramps. The big boats should be directed to the far south ramp, that one has much longer aisles.

The south ramp sucks, To steep. when you pull out the boat pulls a way from the winch post,

 

[530RL]

The Arizona State Parks website specifically states "Passes cannot be applied toward other park fees". So basically the annual pass covers just basic entrance for up to 4 people for the specific pass holder identified by pass holder name.

From their website;

"The Arizona State Parks Premium Annual Pass provides day-use access to all Arizona State Parks for the pass holder, and up to three additional adults in the same vehicle; with the exception of the Boyce Thompson Arboretum.

Unlike the Standard pass, this pass includes access to Lake Havasu, Cattail Cove, Buckskin Mountain, Patagonia Lake, River Island and Slide Rock State Parks on weekends and State holidays from April 1st to October 31st.

Passholder names are required. Passholder may be asked to show identification. Your pass must be displayed from the vehicle's rear view mirror for entry. The wallet card is provided for access to parks without a controlled vehicle access point only.

Passes cannot be applied toward other park fees and some programs may require an additional fee. Your pass does not include the use of camping facilities; including showers or dump station; or for stowage of water of more than 5 gallons from the park.

Your pass does not guarantee admission to a park that has been closed, restricted or has reached capacity.

It is illegal to copy or alter an annual pass. Passes are non-transferrable and cannot be replaced. Pass sales are non-refundable.

Annual passes expire 12 months from the date of purchase."

 

[Ballyhoo]

The Arizona State Parks website specifically states "Passes cannot be applied toward other park fees". So basically the annual pass covers just basic entrance for up to 4 people for the specific pass holder identified by pass holder name.

From their website;

"The Arizona State Parks Premium Annual Pass provides day-use access to all Arizona State Parks for the pass holder, and up to three additional adults in the same vehicle; with the exception of the Boyce Thompson Arboretum.

Unlike the Standard pass, this pass includes access to Lake Havasu, Cattail Cove, Buckskin Mountain, Patagonia Lake, River Island and Slide Rock State Parks on weekends and State holidays from April 1st to October 31st.

Passholder names are required. Passholder may be asked to show identification. Your pass must be displayed from the vehicle's rear view mirror for entry. The wallet card is provided for access to parks without a controlled vehicle access point only.

Passes cannot be applied toward other park fees and some programs may require an additional fee. Your pass does not include the use of camping facilities; including showers or dump station; or for stowage of water of more than 5 gallons from the park.

Your pass does not guarantee admission to a park that has been closed, restricted or has reached capacity.

It is illegal to copy or alter an annual pass. Passes are non-transferrable and cannot be replaced. Pass sales are non-refundable.

Annual passes expire 12 months from the date of purchase."

Pretty straight forward

 

[RiverDave]

What can they do?
It's a state government thing, not a podunk city issue.

Then why are none of the other state parks doing it?

 

[dezrtracer]

Guess I won't buy that Skater after all

 

[Ziggy]

Then why are none of the other state parks doing it?

Good question.
Maybe they feel they can get away with it. See if it holds true through the boating season.....and if they apply it equally to everyone.

 

[e911]

So lame. Wonder if that nautical inn time share deal is still going on. May do that instead of renewing in 2 months. Hell I still need that dang pass for our favorite spots like 3 dunes and such

 

[boater250s]

Then why are none of the other state parks doing it?

I know Buckskin does it -you have to pay if there's more than four people in your car-A lot of it's up to the park manager

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The Arizona State Parks website specifically states "Passes cannot be applied toward other park fees". So basically the annual pass covers just basic entrance for up to 4 people for the specific pass holder identified by pass holder name.

From their website;

"The Arizona State Parks Premium Annual Pass provides day-use access to all Arizona State Parks for the pass holder, and up to three additional adults in the same vehicle; with the exception of the Boyce Thompson Arboretum.

Unlike the Standard pass, this pass includes access to Lake Havasu, Cattail Cove, Buckskin Mountain, Patagonia Lake, River Island and Slide Rock State Parks on weekends and State holidays from April 1st to October 31st.

Passholder names are required. Passholder may be asked to show identification. Your pass must be displayed from the vehicle's rear view mirror for entry. The wallet card is provided for access to parks without a controlled vehicle access point only.

Passes cannot be applied toward other park fees and some programs may require an additional fee. Your pass does not include the use of camping facilities; including showers or dump station; or for stowage of water of more than 5 gallons from the park.

Your pass does not guarantee admission to a park that has been closed, restricted or has reached capacity.

It is illegal to copy or alter an annual pass. Passes are non-transferrable and cannot be replaced. Pass sales are non-refundable.

Annual passes expire 12 months from the date of purchase."

Oversize parking is not a park program. There is no stipulation on that pass or during the purchase of the pass that gives a disclaimer about vehicle length being subject to additional fees upon entry.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I disagree with the 4 person limit.
The last two times we went we took an extra vehicle with the pass
Now you have another vehicle taking up space for nothing other than bringing in more people
And there are limited number of single vehicle parking spots so you take up a trailer spot and tick everyone off

Agreed.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

I think you can get more than 4 people in it's just $3/per person. A lot cheaper than bringing in a whole extra car.

 

[530RL]

Oversize parking is not a program.

Agreed.

But Oversize Parking is an "other park fee" as laid out on the park fee schedule. And the pass rules clearly state "Passes can not be applied to other park fees".

Further, Arizona State Parks are subject to making rules which are approved by the Governors Regulatory Review Council which has a moratorium on any changes to rules unless the governor specifically agrees to rule making changes in writing.

The rules can be found here. https://azstateparks.com/agency-rules-regulations#101

So, basically, unless the governor specifically agrees in writing for the State Parks Department to review this rule, it stays in place. And the Parks department is broke and has been broke for a decade to include closing state parks. So it needs the fees just to barely stay open. Low taxes, low park funding.

It's half a table dance. I think anyone with a boat that big will be able to swing it.

 

[185EZ]

I think you can get more than 4 people in it's just $3/per person. A lot cheaper than bringing in a whole extra car.

Of course you can bring in extra people
But if someone has a pass and there are 4 people that would have been $12
Extra car is way cheaper
If we didn't have the extra pass I would have just picked up the rest in the channel
Last i checked I didn't have a money tree "just" to pay for a few extra people everytime

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Agreed.

But Oversize Parking is an "other park fee" as laid out on the park fee schedule. And the pass rules clearly state "Passes can not be applied to other park fees".

Further, Arizona State Parks are subject to making rules which are approved by the Governors Regulatory Review Council which has a moratorium on any changes to rules unless the governor specifically agrees to rule making changes in writing.

The rules can be found here. https://azstateparks.com/agency-rules-regulations#101

So, basically, unless the governor specifically agrees in writing for the State Parks Department to review this rule, it stays in place. And the Parks department is broke and has been broke for a decade to include closing state parks. So it needs the fees just to barely stay open. Low taxes, low park funding.

It's half a table dance. I think anyone with a boat that big will be able to swing it.

I get it. But 50 feet is over 80% of the boats in Havasu. Literally the park in Havasu exists to let boats onto the water.

At $10 extra per entry, plus the annual $200, people will just head to the marina instead, sending more funding away from state parks.