Well, it's my turn......

[Uncle Dave]

No my questions are relevant and show what a misrepresentation this “ vaccine” is. Your responses are just trying to deflect away from reality.

You provided no reason why it isnt other that a list of question easily answered.

Why isnt it a vaccine?

 

[RCDave]

Its true protection against infection and transmission wanes.

protection against hospitilization and death remain strong.

And acceleeate mutation into stronger and stronger strains. Ultimately self defeating.....

 

[Uncle Dave]

And acceleeate mutation into stronger and stronger strains. Ultimately self defeating.....

We've mostly defeated a bunch of other bugs, but this one is a fast moving little bee otch.

 

[RCDave]

We've mostly defeated a bunch of other bugs, but this one is a fast moving little bee otch.

MAN has never eradicated a cold and flu virus yet....especially cold and flu viruses

 

[Uncle Dave]

MAN has never eradicated a cold and flu virus yet....especially cold and flu viruses

Correct we've not defeated influenza or the common cold..

But we got polio, and ebola, smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, and a bunch of others

 

[RCDave]

Correct we've not defeated influenza or the common cold..

But we got polio, and ebola, smallpox, and a bunch of others

Single or limited variety viruses are a little easier to defeat.

F'ing with a pandemic flu bug by poking it with irritants will not likely end well. Like shooting a bear with a .22

 

[Uncle Dave]

Single or limited variety viruses are a little easier to defeat.

Fling with a pandemic flu bug by poking it with irritants will not likely end well. Like shooting a bear with a .22

We all get to watch in real time, lets hope our compute power and math skills let us bring a bigger gun.

 

[Hoodoo]

Both HCQ and Ivermectin were both used to treat covid early on but once it was figured out that it works the CDC shut it down and threatened doctors if they prescribed it. My FIL was treated with Ivermectin late February 2020 and my supervisor was treated with HCQ in March 2020, both said that 24 hours after first dose they felt 90% and they each got better every day from there. My FIL tried to get another prescription for Ivermectin last summer and his doctor told him he can't because they said they would suspended his medical license.

My son had the same experience with ivermectin. We have it prescribed and dosed from a critical care doctor. He had fever, fatigue etc.
Took two doses after a positive test and rapid improvement afterwards. Coincidence? Maybe, but this not the only case I know of that involved a quick turnaround.

 

[RCDave]

UD. Between, I'm not against the c19 shots. It's a personal decision to jab or not.

I just don't like the govts, media, hard lefts approach to all this. Their consistent nazi and Marxism is on full display here

 

[Singleton]

It will be interesting to see ultimately what the decision is on where this fucker came from.

It has not been found in 1 bat and they say it started in bats in a wet market.

 

[Uncle Dave]

UD. Between, I'm not against the c19 shots. It's a personal decision to jab or not.

I just don't like the govts, media, hard lefts approach to all this. Their consistent nazi and Marxism is on full display here

We agree on far more than we disagree on RC.


Im gen x which means I trust no people or institutions, and understand and can use tech, but retain a right to complain about it like a boomer.

 

[Uncle Dave]

It has not been found in 1 bat and they say it started in bats in a wet market.

We'll see.

Feels like an engineered bug that walked out of the lab on the bottom of someones shoe....

Seems really odd that MErs, Sars, and Covid all came from basically the same place.

 

[Joe mama]

I never experienced any respiratory issues. Only mild fever for 5 straight days, chills, sweats, body aches, head aches, brain fog, loss of taste and smell and extreme fatigue. The fatigue, headaches, brain fog and taste and smell lasted several weeks. 14 months later my smell is still a mess. For reference, I’m 48 years old, and in great health. I have also not been sick since Covid.

Same exact symptoms. I hope smell and taste comes back, a cup of coffee is just hot water. Thx for the info

 

[4Waters]

Same exact symptoms. I hope smell and taste comes back, a cup of coffee is just hot water. Thx for the info

Hot water is exactly how I described it to my wife. LOL

 

[Tom Slick]

I feel that my taste has more or less come back to 100%, including coffee. But if can even smell coffee it doesn't smell the same. I can't smell bacon, or a fart. Not mine, not yours, not even a dogs. Most days I smell exactly nothing, it's fresh air all day everyday...haha!

 

[4Waters]

I feel that my taste has more or less come back to 100%, including coffee. But if can even smell coffee it doesn't smell the same. I can't smell bacon, or a fart. Not mine, not yours, not even a dogs. Most days I smell exactly nothing, it's fresh air all day everyday...haha!

WTF is this virus doing to the olfactory nerve that it causes this symptom and why do some not fully recover?

 

[Singleton]

WTF is this virus doing to the olfactory nerve that it causes this symptom and why do some not fully recover?

So what was you daily routine and vitamin / supplement program?

 

[Tom Slick]

WTF is this virus doing to the olfactory nerve that it causes this symptom and why do some not fully recover?

I'll ask my wife and report back later.

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

This is what I use, real easy to find out if you are positive or not. Two Tests in a box. Any symptoms, test away and know.

BinaxNOW COVID-19 Antigen Self Test, 2 CT (FSA Eligible) - CVS Pharmacy

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www.cvs.com

Great info, thanks!

 

[4Waters]

So what was you daily routine and vitamin / supplement program?

Get up and do the normal morning functions.

I took:
EmerginC
Advil for the fever 800mg to control my fever: every 6 hours
Mucinex: AM/PM
Zinc 50mg: AM/PM
Sudafed decongestant: AM/PM
B12 2000mg: AM
Melatonin 9mg: PM
Calcium with D3: 1000mg
Baby aspirin: 81mg AM/PM

5 minutes minimum of exercise to elevate my respirations AM/PM

Random breathing exercises deep in, deep out a few times each throughout the day

Good old fashioned Vitamin D sat on the patio went for a walk.....

Random naps

 

[HTTP404]

Its true protection against infection and transmission wanes.

protection against hospitilization and death remain strong.

Exactly how do you quantify this? Who the fuck knows how sick someone would have gotten if they didn't have vaccine.

 

[4Waters]

Exactly how do you quantify this? Who the fuck knows how sick someone would have gotten if they didn't have vaccine.

Exactly, nobody knows that, I can't go back in time and not get the vax to see how I do with the virus.

 

[USMC2010]

My question is how many of the ones who have had the virus without the jab ie natural immunity get it again. Why isn't that something that is being discussed.

I am not vaxed, and I have had two negative test results this year but also twice I've shown both short and long term antibodies. What does that mean? I've probably had it twice but the second time between 6 July and a couple weeks ago I didn't know, I wasn't sick. I've been showing antibodies since April.

 

[dribble]

Exactly how do you quantify this? Who the fuck knows how sick someone would have gotten if they didn't have vaccine.

I'm not professing to be a genius here but this thing was with us a full year before people started getting vaccinated. It seems to me that they can use that data set to quantify it.

Also, this is purely anecdotal but as I write this, I am on day 4 and the GF is on day 5 of testing positive with symptoms. I got the first Pfizer vax on August 1. She got her first on Aug 10. I believe we were exposed on Aug 17 in a fully packed sardine can that United Airlines called an airplane from Chicago. I'm 65 and feel like I have a cold. My temp is normal and my energy is coming back. I am working on a project in the house. She is 56, flat on her back, sleeping 20 hours a day, barely eating, lost sense of smell and taste, temp has been up to 103. I feel but I don't know for certain that had I not been at least partially vaccinated 17 days before exposure, I would be a lot sicker than I am.

 

[DC-88]

I am not vaxed, and I have had two negative test results this year but also twice I've shown both short and long term antibodies. What does that mean? I've probably had it twice but the second time between 6 July and a couple weeks ago I didn't know, I wasn't sick. I've been showing antibodies since April.

From what I've seen since this mess started, a lot of others in your category are young and healthy. My son who 100% gave it to me 8/5 and was fairly recently jabbed per the NCAA just had to test ( not antibodies) last week for a random date re- the 21'-22' season and was negative ( which in all likely hood was false since he was only a few weeks removed from having it and the docs say you likely test positive for quite a while ), so there's the error factor as well to consider with all of this . I got the quarantine date letter to deal with that for my case if needed down the road. Lots of 20-40 year old non- union construction workers including mexican barely legals , h.s. and college athletes, failure to launchers living at home, and twenty somethings in our family/friend circles who never stopped working +living life + going out to bars etc fit your exact same test stats imho.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Exactly how do you quantify this? Who the fuck knows how sick someone would have gotten if they didn't have vaccine.

Its quantified by the number of people Vaxed and unVaxed that get infected - but that do not go to the hospital.

 

[USMC2010]

From what I've seen since this mess started, a lot of others in your category are young and healthy. My son who 100% gave it to me 8/5 and was fairly recently jabbed per the NCAA just had to test ( not antibodies) last week for a random date re- the 21'-22' season and was negative ( which in all likely hood was false since he was only a few weeks removed from having it and the docs say you likely test positive for quite a while ), so there's the error factor as well to consider with all of this . I got the quarantine date letter to deal with that for my case if needed down the road. Lots of 20-40 year old non- union construction workers including mexican barely legals , h.s. and college athletes, failure to launchers living at home, and twenty somethings in our family/friend circles who never stopped working +living life + going out to bars etc fit your exact same test stats imho.

I'm 53 but in pretty good shape considering. I answered his question because I know I've had it possibly 2x now. It isn't about my negative results but my positive antibodies yet even I've probably had it multiple times now because viruses do what they do. I have also been able to work without any shutdown the entire time.
It's been stated in nauseum, this crap isn't going away, ever, no shots, no mask, no economic destruction is going to end covid. So what do we do? Keep getting pissed off at our neighbors for living or continue cowering to government overreach and lose our freedoms...or what we have left of them.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Exactly, nobody knows that, I can't go back in time and not get the vax to see how I do with the virus.

There are stats that show best protection going forward is a double jab plus getting it. This is why many are claiming a booster shouldn't occur.


You should be good to go at this stage.

 

[badgas]

There are stats that show best protection going forward is a double jab plus getting it. This is why many are claiming a booster shouldn't occur.


You should be good to go at this stage.

There are also reports that show that you are much worse off if jabbed vs. natural immunity.

New Israeli Study Finds Fully Vaccinated People are at "Greater Risk of Hospitalization" and 13 TIMES MORE LIKELY to Catch Covid-19 Than Those Who Have Recovered and Have Natural Immunity | The Gateway Pundit | by Julian Conradson

A new study out of Israel has seemingly confirmed that individuals who have natural immunity have better protection against the NEW DELTA VARIANT than people who are fully vaccinated.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Uncle Dave]

There are also reports that show that you are much worse off if jabbed vs. natural immunity.

New Israeli Study Finds Fully Vaccinated People are at "Greater Risk of Hospitalization" and 13 TIMES MORE LIKELY to Catch Covid-19 Than Those Who Have Recovered and Have Natural Immunity | The Gateway Pundit | by Julian Conradson

A new study out of Israel has seemingly confirmed that individuals who have natural immunity have better protection against the NEW DELTA VARIANT than people who are fully vaccinated.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

We talked about that report at length yesterday .

Read the whole article not the clickbait.

The sample size was 8 and 238 out of 16K poeple.

For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2.

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Interesting to watch , but not very meaningful as anything other than a small data point.

 

[Brokeboatin221]

Sick of reading all this bullshit but hope you’re feeling better along with the family!

 

[badgas]

We talked about that report at length yesterday .

Read the whole article not the clickbait.

The sample size was 8 and 238 out of 16K poeple.

For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2.

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

Interesting to watch , but not very meaningful as anything other than a small data point.

The article reads that it was based on 800,000 people ?

Isreal is vaxxing the hell out of everyone but they are allowed discuss natural immunity, we are not which is really sad.

Maybe they are lying ? One of thier reports shows " Vaccinated Account For 95% of Severe and 85-90% of New Covid Hospitalizations"

If you think they are lying then I guess you can move on.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I'm not professing to be a genius here but this thing was with us a full year before people started getting vaccinated. It seems to me that they can use that data set to quantify it.

Also, this is purely anecdotal but as I write this, I am on day 4 and the GF is on day 5 of testing positive with symptoms. I got the first Pfizer vax on August 1. She got her first on Aug 10. I believe we were exposed on Aug 17 in a fully packed sardine can that United Airlines called an airplane from Chicago. I'm 65 and feel like I have a cold. My temp is normal and my energy is coming back. I am working on a project in the house. She is 56, flat on her back, sleeping 20 hours a day, barely eating, lost sense of smell and taste, temp has been up to 103. I feel but I don't know for certain that had I not been at least partially vaccinated 17 days before exposure, I would be a lot sicker than I am.

I glad you FEEL that you weathered it better because you were vaccinated, but let's be honest.... you have NO idea if you would have been better or worse without the jab.

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[Uncle Dave]

The article reads that it was based on 800,000 people ?

Isreal is vaxxing the hell out of everyone but they are allowed discuss natural immunity, we are not which is really sad.

Maybe they are lying ? One of thier reports shows " Vaccinated Account For 95% of Severe and 85-90% of New Covid Hospitalizations"

If you think they are lying then I guess you can move on.

Heres the report.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

The scientific American article does a good job of breaking it down.

Look at how the "eligible" pool gets whittled down to sides then whittled down some more and finally down to a very tiny number.


Results
Overall, 673,676 MHS members 16 years and older were eligible for the study group of fully vaccinated SARS-CoV-2-naïve individuals; 62,883 were eligible for the study group of unvaccinated previously infected individuals and 42,099 individuals were eligible for the study group of previously infected and single-dose vaccinees.
Model 1 – previously infected vs. vaccinated individuals, with matching for time of first event
In model 1, we matched 16,215 persons in each group. Overall, demographic characteristics were similar between the groups, with some differences in their comorbidity profile (Table 1a).
During the follow-up period, 257 cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection were recorded, of which 238 occurred in the vaccinated group (breakthrough infections) and 19 in the previously infected group (reinfections).

 

[Uncle Dave]

The interesting thing that this report aligned with others to show natural immunity being the stronger than the vax -which isnt surprising

- but what is surprising is that we have a breakthrough right here with the author of the thread 4waters.

 

[rivermobster]

Sick of reading all this bullshit but hope you’re feeling better along with the family!

X 1000.

 

[TimeBandit]

There are also reports that show that you are much worse off if jabbed vs. natural immunity.

New Israeli Study Finds Fully Vaccinated People are at "Greater Risk of Hospitalization" and 13 TIMES MORE LIKELY to Catch Covid-19 Than Those Who Have Recovered and Have Natural Immunity | The Gateway Pundit | by Julian Conradson

A new study out of Israel has seemingly confirmed that individuals who have natural immunity have better protection against the NEW DELTA VARIANT than people who are fully vaccinated.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Fake news.

 

[dribble]

I glad you FEEL that you weathered it better because you were vaccinated, but let's be honest.... you have NO idea if you would have been better or worse without the jab.

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I get to FEEL whatever I want to FEEL. I get to have ideas based upon what I know about my own 65 year old body.

This is no different than the people who say they took horse de-wormer and got better. They have no idea that the de-wormer did it. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. But I'm not putting that shit in my body. I didn't even like putting it in my horses. As of now I am almost (but not completely) symptom free. I never lost my sense of taste or smell. My GF is still flat on her back. She has been sleeping 20 hours a day. My take on this whole thing is this. If you want to get vaxxed get vaxxed. If you don't want to, then don't. Nobody should be mandated to do it. At least not by the government. If you want to wear a mask then wear one. Even of you're driving alone in your car. If you're not wearing a mask it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I won't wear one unless I'm somewhere I want/need to be and they tell me I have to. I was never afraid of this thing for myself but my girlfriend has gone though several bouts of Pneumonia. Quite frankly, I only got vaxxed to light a fire under her ass to get it. I'm glad I did.

 

[rmarion]

Its quantified by the number of people Vaxed and unVaxed that get infected - but that do not go to the hospital.

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UD
that same Dr, had positive information on the Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine meds...

 

[caribbean20]

There is no stopping it. There is no cure. There is no vaccine. It will continue to spread and thanks to man's intervention with poor so called vaccines and lockdowns, quickly mutate into stronger strains.

I’ve always understood that viruses get WEAKER, not STRONGER, when they mutate.

Cleveland Clinic.

 

[HTTP404]

Its quantified by the number of people Vaxed and unVaxed that get infected - but that do not go to the hospital.

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So different strains of virus going around now couldn't account for that? Weaker virus less hospitalizations maybe, no?

 

[Uncle Dave]

UD
that same Dr, had positive information on the Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine meds...

Yes he did, I mentioned that here in a few other threads.

You and I both posted stuff from him.

I like him a lot and think he does a better job that anyone else Iv seen.

 

[rmarion]

Yes he did, I mentioned that here in a few other threads.

You and I both posted stuff from him.

I like him a lot and think he does a better job that anyone else Iv seen.

completely agree!!
its a breath of fresh air to hear Professionals speak the truth...
whether I agree with his view or not...

I'm pretty sure that 99.99999 of the people would like to have a treatment for this virus if you catch it...

 

[badgas]

I get to FEEL whatever I want to FEEL. I get to have ideas based upon what I know about my own 65 year old body.

This is no different than the people who say they took horse de-wormer and got better. They have no idea that the de-wormer did it. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. But I'm not putting that shit in my body. I didn't even like putting it in my horses. As of now I am almost (but not completely) symptom free. I never lost my sense of taste or smell. My GF is still flat on her back. She has been sleeping 20 hours a day. My take on this whole thing is this. If you want to get vaxxed get vaxxed. If you don't want to, then don't. Nobody should be mandated to do it. At least not by the government. If you want to wear a mask then wear one. Even of you're driving alone in your car. If you're not wearing a mask it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I won't wear one unless I'm somewhere I want/need to be and they tell me I have to. I was never afraid of this thing for myself but my girlfriend has gone though several bouts of Pneumonia. Quite frankly, I only got vaxxed to light a fire under her ass to get it. I'm glad I did.

Hope you both heal up well.

 

[badgas]

Fake news.

Anything that contradicts big pharma and CNN is always labled "fake news"

 

[RCDave]

I’ve always understood that viruses get WEAKER, not STRONGER, when they mutate.

Cleveland Clinic. View attachment 1043777
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Typically yes. But there is much evidence that superstrains are encouraged when a leaky vaccines are introduced.

 

[rmarion]

from an RN with 30 years exp (my Honeys best friend)

POTUS Trump vax, he received when he had Covid

**Monoclonal ab, hydrochlorinquine, Dexamethasone...**

just added Also azithromycin..


when she contacted Covid, she requested this dose.... she was denied..

just PSA

 

[caribbean20]

Typically yes. But there is much evidence that superstrains are encouraged when a leaky vaccines are introduced.

I pay attention, I’ve never seen this evidence. Do you have a clinical source? Happy to learn something new every day.

 

[Justfishing]

Probably not, but we can blunt the fuck out of it.

Prove it.

If you had the shot and are now spreading it to others because you think you dont have it. Are you stopping it or making it worse.

If you think masks prevents you from spreading covid and the shot gives you a false sense of security are you doing more harm than good.

aGain if wearing a mask makes you think you are protecting others and choose to go out when sick are you doing more harm than good.

if you are working around fine dust do you put on a covid mask or do you wear some type of respirator like an n95.

 

[rmarion]

up date ....