Union guys never work!

[Nordie]

LMFAO... Come on now. The only thing I've ever seen a union company do better is BRAG about how awesome they are. This is the real world out here, wake up.

That's tough work your doing out there, but don't think for 1 second that union guys work any harder than non union construction workers... You would be in for a very rude awakening.


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When Cmc bought us, they put the non union guys in the field as union apprentices, only one made it, and is doing very well, but the others could not even hang, with that being said the one that is doing well still doesnt have a clue on the big stuff.

Oh yeah were on our break

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[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

When Cmc bought us, they put the non union guys in the field as union apprentices, only one made it, and is doing very well, but the others could not even hang, with that being said the one that is doing well still doesnt have a clue on the big stuff.

Oh yeah were on our break



could not hang :grumble: so you expect us to believe for minimum wage the non- union guys did there jobs ,but when put on as Union apprentices to make more $$ ,benefits, a chance to pay union dues and wear the Union label and they could'nt hang ..yeah alright :bowdown: put down the Kool -aide cool pics thou
















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[LowRiver2]

could not hang so you expect us to believe for minimum wage the non- union guys did there jobs ,but when put on as Union apprentices to make more $$ ,benefits, a chance to pay union dues and wear the Union label and they could'nt hang ..yeah alright put down the Kool -aide cool pics thou

It depends on the trade, some are pretty equal, some are'nt. Non union paving co.'s cut more corners because they are'nt getting the bigger jobs union co.'s can bid on (another separate debate), and those guys get accustomed to it, to where if they come over to a union co., they take a long time to learn the right, legal way to lay "phalt" and either do fix their ways or get let go.

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

It depends on the trade, some are pretty equal, some are'nt. Non union paving co.'s cut more corners because they are'nt getting the bigger jobs union co.'s can bid on (another separate debate), and those guys get accustomed to it, to where if they come over to a union co., they take a long time to learn the right, legal way to lay "phalt" and either do fix their ways or get let go.

So your saying you can call the Union hall and get a guy right off the bench and he's gonna kick azz & take names make your profits soar ??? don't think so and then you'll be ordering a new DCB :headscratch:








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[Bobby V]

So your saying you can call the Union hall and get a guy right off the bench and he's gonna kick azz & take names make your profits soar ??? don't think so and then you'll be ordering a new DCB :headscratch:


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The hiring hall is good for when you get alot of work in and need man power right away. Of course every person will be different, but we know that they have been trained properly and have all their certs that they may need. We also know what we will pay them by what level they are. We don't have to worry about bennies, pensions etc. because the union provides a total wage package. If work slows down or they don't work out for us, they go back to the hall. :thumbsup

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

The hiring hall is good for when you get alot of work in and need man power right away. Of course every person will be different, but we know that they have been trained properly and have all their certs that they may need. We also know what we will pay them by what level they are. We don't have to worry about bennies, pensions etc. because the union provides a total wage package. If work slows down or they don't work out for us, they go back to the hall. :thumbsup

Back to the hall :headscratch: mmmmm thats why firms try there hardest to keep what they have cause theres no telling what you'll get the next time you call the hall , may as well call manpower :grumble: as far as bennies & pension so those are FREE to the employer and only pays a union wage ?? just trying to figure out this Uni#n stuff works lol






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[RandyH]

Hay Nordie, why all the steel in these canals. Why cant you just slipform pave these canals like highways and have dowel bar insertion ever so many feet for joints. Surely the concrete still has shrinkage cracks with all this steel? what am I missing.? thanks for the photos. Keep up the good work :thumbsup

 

[Nordie]

Hay Nordie, why all the steel in these canals. Why cant you just slipform pave these canals like highways and have dowel bar insertion ever so many feet for joints. Surely the concrete still has shrinkage cracks with all this steel? what am I missing.? thanks for the photos. Keep up the good work :thumbsup

Its actually lite compared to how I usually do them, I would imagine if no steel these things would eventually break loose, every 100 feet the is a cutoff wall 3 foot deep and each.section ties into that. And on top there is a cutoff wall running full length down the channel holding the walls up

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[Bobby V]

Back to the hall :headscratch: mmmmm thats why firms try there hardest to keep what they have cause theres no telling what you'll get the next time you call the hall , may as well call manpower :grumble: as far as bennies & pension so those are FREE to the employer and only pays a union wage ?? just trying to figure out this Uni#n stuff works lol


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Of course we try and keep our guys working, but sometimes we are in between jobs and we go to a 24 or 32 hour work week. If our employee can find work elsewhere that is his choice. I have been her since 86' and have seen hundreds of field guys go thru here.

Yes my employer does not pay any bennies, medical or 401k. Its all part of the total wage package that the union and the companies agreed upon. This is standard for most construction companies. Retail and other unions maybe different.

 

[Nordie]

This one is for you junkie


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[Nordie]

Didnt really take any other pictures today

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[Luvnlife]

It depends on the trade, some are pretty equal, some are'nt. Non union paving co.'s cut more corners because they are'nt getting the bigger jobs union co.'s can bid on (another separate debate), and those guys get accustomed to it, to where if they come over to a union co., they take a long time to learn the right, legal way to lay "phalt" and either do fix their ways or get let go.

I see this in the electrical side also.

 

[Joe mama]

I see this in the electrical side also.

agree!!!!!!!!

 

[Nordie]

Rain delay thursday

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[Nordie]

Well that was fun while it lasted, job shut down today due to weather. Get home and GC calls me, guess we gotta rip everything out from flood damage. Might head up there later to check it out.

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[Nordie]

Monday shall be interesting

Aftermath of the war zone

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[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

Any special reason why so much re-bar went down and no concrete cover especially being in a drainage ditch and or a flood zone situation ? kinda like digging a basement and not forming and pouring the walls b4 a storm and the walls of Jericho come tumbling down .

 

[riverroyal]

You wouldnt understand

Any special reason why so much re-bar went down and no concrete cover especially being in a drainage ditch and or a flood zone situation ? kinda like digging a basement and not forming and pouring the walls b4 a storm and the walls of Jericho come tumbling down .

 

[Old Texan]

Any special reason why so much re-bar went down and no concrete cover especially being in a drainage ditch and or a flood zone situation ? kinda like digging a basement and not forming and pouring the walls b4 a storm and the walls of Jericho come tumbling down .

That's the same thought I had. Seems like it could easily be done ins controllable sections. More an engineering error in judgement which I can completely understand. Wonder who pay for the screwup?

 

[Yldboyz]

Now that sucks, whos gonna clean that up?

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

You wouldnt understand

LOL
could work out awesome if it generated a Xtra $$$ job work order








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[djunkie]

I heard the union can control when it rains now too. Good job guys.


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[KENDOG689]

Weather is a huge factor is the work I do.I,m up at 4am and thats the first thing I check.Just saying.:thumbsdown

 

[Nordie]

Any special reason why so much re-bar went down and no concrete cover especially being in a drainage ditch and or a flood zone situation ? kinda like digging a basement and not forming and pouring the walls b4 a storm and the walls of Jericho come tumbling down .

Pour was set for Monday morning, the gc needs time to do their setup after us, so we get out ahead of them. we have been hit with rain before with minimal to no flood damage, there was many factors, that fell into this equasion, but mostly because it rained 1.3 something inches in less than an hour.

That's the same thought I had. Seems like it could easily be done ins controllable sections. More an engineering error in judgement which I can completely understand. Wonder who pay for the screwup?

GC will determine areas that need fixing, the ticket is written, then they sign. After that, well thats way above my pay scale

Now that sucks, whos gonna clean that up?

Unfortunately we have to pull some bar out...



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[Joker]

You couldn't have covered it with plastic?

 

[Nordie]

You couldn't have covered it with plastic?

no plastic, tarps

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[Nordie]

Rip it out Monday!


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[28Eliminator]

That sucks... Even for union guys

I assume this is state funded deal?


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[Nordie]

That sucks... Even for union guys

I assume this is state funded deal?


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Thats what you get for assuming, NOPE

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[Nordie]

Putting the steel back in

What we already have put back in

My forklift driver

Not sure if I posted these

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[riverroyal]

Its illegal to rig off forks, it needs a rated jib. Also, anytime you do actually "rig" something and not use the forks to pick up a item it needs to be a union operator (might already be) Just FYI

 

[Luvnlife]

Its illegal to rig off forks, it needs a rated jib. Also, anytime you do actually "rig" something and not use the forks to pick up a item it needs to be a union operator (might already be) Just FYI

This is funny. I was almost going to ask if that's a Local 12 operator on the lift but I know it's not

 

[Stainless]

Its illegal to rig off forks, it needs a rated jib.
Seriously, is that a Cal-OSHA requirement? We rig like that when handling flimsy items at sites in AZ. I would have individual chokers off each fork though.

 

[Vmjtc3]

Its illegal to rig off forks, it needs a rated jib.
Seriously, is that a Cal-OSHA requirement? We rig like that when handling flimsy items at sites in AZ. I would have individual chokers off each fork though.

Its actually an OSHA requirement. But there are legal ways around it. With out getting in to nit picking ins and outs of the law in a nutshell there are two ways to do it, one is to get a written statement from the manufacturer, the other is to have an engineer sign off on it.......

 

[Vmjtc3]

This is funny. I was almost going to ask if that's a Local 12 operator on the lift but I know it's not

Its probably not a local 12 guy, its probably one of the iron workers. We are union and we operate our own forks, most contracts allow individual trades to operate their own equipment for stocking material on a job site.

 

[Stainless]

Thanks, I was not aware. Do you know why it is unsafe, maybe being able to allow slings to slip off?

 

[Luvnlife]

Its probably not a local 12 guy, its probably one of the iron workers. We are union and we operate our own forks, most contracts allow individual trades to operate their own equipment for stocking material on a job site.

Been Local 12 for 23 years and I'm fully aware that the trades run their own lifts, we just always laugh at how bad you suck at it
BTW the picture does not show stocking, that would be unloading a truck, it shows setting in the hole. See it all the time.

 

[rivrrts429]

Its actually an OSHA requirement. But there are legal ways around it. With out getting in to nit picking ins and outs of the law in a nutshell there are two ways to do it, one is to get a written statement from the manufacturer, the other is to have an engineer sign off on it.......

I'm in the equipment business and when shit goes south on a job from slinging by forks... OSHA trumps all and everyone else, engineers included, run for the hills.

Most all manufactures now days wont sign off. Only approved "lifting hooks." Not just any lifting hook/jib, but one that the fork manufacture has approved for use with their machines. It would have to be a pretty extreme scenario to get them to sign off and except responsibility in todays world.

Not going to get into details but one of our customers was killed in a freak accident doing the same type of work. Was slinging material from the forks, shit went south and impaled a guy. Everybody lawyered up (manufacturer, GCon, Ourselves, Engineers, Etc...) We all split a hefty lawsuit between us to the deceased kin.

To the OP... thats a bad ass job. Thanks for the updates :thumbsup

 

[riverroyal]

Thanks, I was not aware. Do you know why it is unsafe, maybe being able to allow slings to slip off?

Slings cable or nylon arent designed to be on a "edge". The fork has a edges and can cut the sling. Ither reason is the load will turn abruptly. When the reach fork turns so does the load, sounds minor, but it is avery dangerous issue. Basically a tag line is useless rigging it with two forks. A tag line also MUST be used. This is where the operator is better, they understand loads changing directions quickly. You can argue that but its true, it just is! As far as a jib, you need a" chump jib". This is a short jib that attaches to the boom not the forks. What is seen in the picture is actually a major fine and a major safety violation. Hurt or kill someone with any weight load and your being sued or criminal charges.
Now, not getting a jib is also the slow way to do the work shown. When he land the load it cant be rotated or set quickly. Jib is faster and
Great pictures though, trench looks great! safer.

 

[Joker]

So, the taxpayers are on the hook for this twice because nobody thought about the weather?
I would think the the change order would keep a couple of teachers hired for another year.:thumbsdown

 

[riverroyal]

Sorry. Cell phone is tough.
also not hating...love the pictures. I think its great looking work.
by the way .. 25 years union steamfitter, with massive Osha training. To much sometimes.

 

[Joker]

Sorry. Cell phone is tough.
also not hating...love the pictures. I think its great looking work.
by the way .. 25 years union steamfitter, with massive Osha training. To much sometimes.

The pictures are great, and I'm not getting fucked by them doing the work twice so it's all good, nice work.

 

[Vmjtc3]

I'm in the equipment business and when shit goes south on a job from slinging by forks... OSHA trumps all and everyone else, engineers included, run for the hills.

Most all manufactures now days wont sign off. Only approved "lifting hooks." Not just any lifting hook/jib, but one that the fork manufacture has approved for use with their machines. It would have to be a pretty extreme scenario to get them to sign off and except responsibility in todays world.

Not going to get into details but one of our customers was killed in a freak accident doing the same type of work. Was slinging material from the forks, shit went south and impaled a guy. Everybody lawyered up (manufacturer, GCon, Ourselves, Engineers, Etc...) We all split a hefty lawsuit between us to the deceased kin.

To the OP... thats a bad ass job. Thanks for the updates :thumbsup

How does OSHA trump manufacturer sign offs and engineer sign offs when that is their rule? We had a gator roll over with a pipe rack on it and recieved two citations one for untrained operator and one for a having the rack. After we showed them an engineer sign off on the rack they dropped it.

 

[riverroyal]

The pictures are great, and I'm not getting fucked by them doing the work twice so it's all good, nice work.

weather built into the overall project cost. The General has inclement weather and schedules tied together. If the weather cost the job monies then the general gets paid and all the subs, like the iron company. If there is no weather the monies go to cost over runs which the general must prove they are owed. If the job goes smooth, the monies go back into the city or state budgets.
The tax payers really arent paying twice. There could have been money left over for another project some where else. But that never happens, the budget gets used one way or another.
Im sure the schedule did not have room to slow or stop for weather. If the General stopped or spent the money for storm prep, big storm prep, they would blow the schedule. This would also fall on the city or state under inclement weather clause, and they would get paid for start and stops.
Either way it cost money, pay to repair weather damage, or pay for demobilizing and remobilizing plus extra overhead cost.
Once for the tax payer.

 

[Vmjtc3]

Been Local 12 for 23 years and I'm fully aware that the trades run their own lifts, we just always laugh at how bad you suck at it
BTW the picture does not show stocking, that would be unloading a truck, it shows setting in the hole. See it all the time.

I will be the first to admit I suck at driving equipment I was actually a local 12 apprentice back when I was 18, my step dad is a retired local 12 operator. But if you don't run stuff all the time you are going to suck. Believe me when I say no way in hell would I ever take anyone else's work. I'll stand in front of an open elevator for 3 hours before I would get in and punch a button to go up That being said most of our job contracts allow us to load, unload, stock and supply our own material but never another trade. If another trade needs something done and its not in their contract the local 12 guys do it. Trust me I would rather not have any part of it, coordinating deliveries, scheduling lift time on the tower cranes and man lifts, keeping equipment fueled and maintained ect. ect., is a pain in the ass I would rather not have when I am trying to build a tower. But its just part of the gig, personally I think if it has wheels or requires someone to run it a local 12 guy should be on it so I don't have to mess with it! :thumbsup

 

[riverroyal]

How does OSHA trump manufacturer sign offs and engineer sign offs when that is their rule? We had a gator roll over with a pipe rack on it and recieved two citations one for untrained operator and one for a having the rack. After we showed them an engineer sign off on the rack they dropped it.

he is saying is the "jib" must match the equipment. If you have a Sky Trac the jib must be Sky Trac and for that exact machine. Not a Gradall jib on a sky trac, or a fab shop made jib that has a engineers stamp. On large jobs there could be 6 reach forks, all different manufactures, guys will grab any jib they see laying around. Thats the legal problem.
Truth is construction site are one big legal time bomb. The days of loaning a forklift for a 12 pack are long gone. You cant even loan a ladder these days. It is just the way it is now.

 

[Joker]

weather built into the overall project cost. The General has inclement weather and schedules tied together. If the weather cost the job monies then the general gets paid and all the subs, like the iron company. If there is no weather the monies go to cost over runs which the general must prove they are owed. If the job goes smooth, the monies go back into the city or state budgets.
The tax payers really arent paying twice. There could have been money left over for another project some where else. But that never happens, the budget gets used one way or another.
Im sure the schedule did not have room to slow or stop for weather. If the General stopped or spent the money for storm prep, big storm prep, they would blow the schedule. This would also fall on the city or state under inclement weather clause, and they would get paid for start and stops.
Either way it cost money, pay to repair weather damage, or pay for demobilizing and remobilizing plus extra overhead cost.
Once for the tax payer.

Ah nevermind, maybe I'm just pissed after being fucked out of 12k by a cheap fucking Jew!

 

[riverroyal]

Ah nevermind, maybe I'm just pissed after being fucked out of 12k by a cheap fucking Jew!

read your last 3 words...you had to know it was bound to happen. Should have marked it up 12k.

 

[djunkie]

Ah nevermind, maybe I'm just pissed cause I'm always miserable!

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[Joker]

read your last 3 words...you had to know it was bound to happen. Should have marked it up 12k.

Last time I do work for a bagel eater. Hitler missed one! Sorry to say it, but it's true.