ultra delam question

[Abc123]

I need my members to be a little more welcoming to new faces around here. Lol

If people want to enter the danger zone, they have to go through testing.

 

[Joker]

I need my members to be a little more welcoming to new faces around here. Lol

Is this better?

Welcome to the boards ButtNutt.:thumbsup

 

[RiverDave]

If people want to enter the danger zone, they have to go through testing.

Says u? Lol

 

[Abc123]

Says u? Lol

I've been beaten by the angry mob a time or two lol

 

[boatnutt]

LMFAO!



As an Ultra owner I'd like to say thanks for the kind words. I'd rather let you keep digging your own hole apposed to having the thread deleted. Keep going, this is getting entertaining.

Well you asked for it. Just to set the story straight. I did NOT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT ULTRA BOATS! I have always wanted to own one. I am not saying that i wont in the future but what kind of a moron would i be if i didnt do my homework on one i was about to buy. Someone said it right earlier, when they said he probobly did a search and the old post poped up. He is 100% right! Its kinda sad how all the ultra owners came to jump my shit last night when i thanked everyone for the post that simply informed me on what to look out for. Do ultra owners have a flashing light with a blow horn to go off when there is a response on this thread??? This is for all the asshole ultra owners (not the cool normal ones) that live in fear and wonder if there boat is next. Tell me all you ulta owners (excpecialy the ones that keep trying to convince themselves that arnt worried) do you check you boat EVERY time you use it? If the answer is no, BULLSHIT!!!! because i would. I talked to JW back when they were in buisness about a new boat and yes he was a cool guy. So why leave your patrions to deal with this??? http://www.performanceboats.com/gray-water-storage/86904-delamination-issues.html

 

[RiverDave]

Company went out of biz boatnutt.. Not sure what you would have him do? My home builder went out of biz as well, pretty sure he isn't going to help me if I have a problem with the house?

FYI he only did a few "infused" boats. The rest are fine. All the owners are made aware of the problem. I'm not sure as a perspective used boat buyer how you would find out of t was infused or not. That deck you want might be fine after all in which case you should still consider buying it. Ultra built thousands of boats over the years.. Less than 20 (I heard) and right at the end I the company were built this way. As well boats were still built using traditional wet layup methods during this time period. So to answer your question if I owned an ultra no I wouldn't be checking it Everytime out.. I also wouldn't own or buy one that was infused.

RD

 

[boatnutt]

Company went out of biz boatnutt.. Not sure what you would have him do? My home builder went out of biz as well, pretty sure he isn't going to help me if I have a problem with the house?

FYI he only did a few "infused" boats. The rest are fine. All the owners are made aware of the problem. I'm not sure as a perspective used boat buyer how you would find out of t was infused or not. That deck you want might be fine after all in which case you should still consider buying it. Ultra built thousands of boats over the years.. Less than 20 (I heard) and right at the end I the company were built this way. As well boats were still built using traditional wet layup methods during this time period. So to answer your question if I owned an ultra no I wouldn't be checking it Everytime out.. I also wouldn't own or buy one that was infused.

RD

Thanks for the mature response. Trying to save my turrets for later

 

[RiverDave]

I could throw a bunch of curse words in there for ya of u like.

 

[Outdrive1]

Company went out of biz boatnutt.. Not sure what you would have him do? My home builder went out of biz as well, pretty sure he isn't going to help me if I have a problem with the house?

FYI he only did a few "infused" boats. The rest are fine. All the owners are made aware of the problem. I'm not sure as a perspective used boat buyer how you would find out of t was infused or not. That deck you want might be fine after all in which case you should still consider buying it. Ultra built thousands of boats over the years.. Less than 20 (I heard) and right at the end I the company were built this way. As well boats were still built using traditional wet layup methods during this time period. So to answer your question if I owned an ultra no I wouldn't be checking it Everytime out.. I also wouldn't own or buy one that was infused.

RD

It's just business right? How pissed would I be if I still owned mine? Or sold it to one of my friends that wanted it?

But it just business. Ultra goes out of business, so nobody is liable. So now it's Ultra boats, or Ultra Custom Boats, or Ultra Boats of California, it doesn't really matter. I know JW lost his ass, I don't hate him for it. Does it grind on me when I read he's still involved in building boats again? Or if company x really owned the molds so if someone wanted to sue company b there's nothing to sue for? Sure it does. I was a couple of decisions away from having 100k jammed up my ass. So was my friend who wanted to buy it, and tells me how close he was, but I sold it too fast.

It is what it is, but one of the Ultra companies jammed it up 12 to 20 guys asses. :thumbsup

Good thread. Please don't delete it so that somebody somewhere might read it and save themselves a good fucking.

 

[boatnutt]

It's just business right? How pissed would I be if I still owned mine? Or sold it to one of my friends that wanted it?

But it just business. Ultra goes out of business, so nobody is liable. So now it's Ultra boats, or Ultra Custom Boats, or Ultra Boats of California, it doesn't really matter. I know JW lost his ass, I don't hate him for it. Does it grind on me when I read he's still involved in building boats again? Or if company x really owned the molds so if someone wanted to sue company b there's nothing to sue for? Sure it does. I was a couple of decisions away from having 100k jammed up my ass. So was my friend who wanted to buy it, and tells me how close he was, but I sold it too fast.

It is what it is, but one of the Ultra companies jammed it up 12 to 20 guys asses. :thumbsup

Good thread. Please don't delete it so that somebody somewhere might read it and save themselves a good fucking.

Well said! :thumbsup

 

[squirtnmyload]

It's just business right? How pissed would I be if I still owned mine? Or sold it to one of my friends that wanted it?

But it just business. Ultra goes out of business, so nobody is liable. So now it's Ultra boats, or Ultra Custom Boats, or Ultra Boats of California, it doesn't really matter. I know JW lost his ass, I don't hate him for it. Does it grind on me when I read he's still involved in building boats again? Or if company x really owned the molds so if someone wanted to sue company b there's nothing to sue for? Sure it does. I was a couple of decisions away from having 100k jammed up my ass. So was my friend who wanted to buy it, and tells me how close he was, but I sold it too fast.

It is what it is, but one of the Ultra companies jammed it up 12 to 20 guys asses. :thumbsup

Good thread. Please don't delete it so that somebody somewhere might read it and save themselves a good fucking.

:thumbsup

someones shop would be burning down if i had one of them and got fucked.

 

[RiverDave]

Let me ask a basic question.. What would you have Jw do od1? Never build a boat again because it grinds you?

RD

 

[Outdrive1]

Let me ask a basic question.. What would you have Jw do od1? Never build a boat again because it grinds you?

RD

That's a good question. I don't really know how to answer that. I'm sure he could a rats ass about what I think, and that's ok. I don't know him like you do. How do you think it should be handled? Should he build new hulls and rerig these boats for nothing? If he sells another boat, should he take anything he makes and put it in a fund for any of the resin infused boat owners? Those are good ideas, but he's got a family to feed. I get it. Like I said, I don't hate the guy, it's just a shitty deal.


Sent from my Commodore 64.

 

[boatnutt]

I am a buisness owner and even if i was to go out of buisness tomarrow the insurance i had wile i was in buisness would still pay for the work i had done wile i was in buisness. Even if i was no were to be found. I dont know what kind of insurance they had but thats how mine would work. Did anyone go to the link i posted earlier to see how great john handled one client. In buisness or not, he sould at least talk to the guy on the 27 shadow and try to help somehow. I think the people ( like the link i posted earlier ) should push hard with the insurance company ulta boats had. All insurance companys say they arnt gona pay!! Thats when you hire a GOOD lawyer.

 

[boatnutt]

Also, Going out of buisness may protect you and your assets, but it doesnt get your insurance company off the hook. Odds are that his insurance has paid on some of these boats but its been kept quiet. Of course i am just speculating. If this was true and it got out, EVERYONE with a infused ultra would jump on the bandwagon.

 

[RiverDave]

I am a buisness owner and even if i was to go out of buisness tomarrow the insurance i had wile i was in buisness would still pay for the work i had done wile i was in buisness. Even if i was no were to be found. I dont know what kind of insurance they had but thats how mine would work. Did anyone go to the link i posted earlier to see how great john handled one client. In buisness or not, he sould at least talk to the guy on the 27 shadow and try to help somehow. I think the people ( like the link i posted earlier ) should push hard with the insurance company ulta boats had. All insurance companys say they arnt gona pay!! Thats when you hire a GOOD lawyer.

Well you read something on the Internet so it must be true.. Lol. Fact is John told every single one of the owners to sue him and his liability insurance and gave directions to each person how to handle the situation. Except ole JW is working non stop trying to put a little food on the table and one guy wasnt happy his calls weren't returned fast enough.. Then the guy might be a little rude about it, so perhaps maybe ole JW isn't to hip to calling this guy back that doesnt want to listen to the solution to the problem but bitch about the siutation..

So at what point does someone say "well it is what it is..?".

Just offering a "potential" explanation to your thread you read.. In short just because some person wrote it on the boards doesn't mean it is 100% accurate. Point in fact in 99% of the instances where someone is bitching about a business on the boards you come to find out its not nearly what the op layed out in my experience.

RD

 

[Outdrive1]

Company went out of biz boatnutt.. Not sure what you would have him do? My home builder went out of biz as well, pretty sure he isn't going to help me if I have a problem with the house?


RD

Let's put that into perspective Dave. So your house is sliding off its foundation. It's a total loss at this point. All due to faulty construction. Your home builder says, too bad, I'm broke and put of business. Then one day you pull into your culdesac and you see your home builder building a home on that empty lot. So you go over and say hey, I thought you were out of business, and why won't you build me a new house? Your guy says, well I was Johns Custom Homes, now I'm Johns Custom Homes of Arizona. The old company built your home, the new company can't help you. It's just business though Dave. I've built lots of homes, I just a had a bad batch of concrete and lumber. It's not my fault, and of course it will never happen again.


It really shouldn't bother you though, because you understand how things work in the business world.

 

[Outdrive1]

Btw, there was a post in one of Stablaze's threads where John said he never went bk, or Ultra never went bk. Maybe the "original" Ultra is still in business then???????

 

[Joker]

Maybe this has been answered, but why won't ultras insurance cover this?

 

[Joker]

Or does a problem need to occur first?

 

[Outdrive1]

Maybe this has been answered, but why won't ultras insurance cover this?

Insurance companies are experts at denying claims. Until the legal costs out weigh the claim, why should they do anything? What they should do is pay John to build new hulls and swap over parts. Someone should set up a class action law suit against Ultra and it's insurance company.

 

[Tom Brown]

Or does a problem need to occur first?

A problem occurred when you were given permission to post in this thread.

 

[River911]

Its a much bigger problem than just a boat builder who screwed his customers.

People/companies go under everyday, only to reappear as someone else and possibly do the same thing. Banks, investors, contractors, you name it. Its only when you are a licensed professional that screwing someone over might stick with you for awhile. Doctors, Lawyers, Registered people like PE's, etc.

Our system allows and tolerates business entities to do this. Other than to be informed, there isn't much anyone can do about it.

Personally, no matter what the situation or excuse is, if you make it right I might give you another shot at taking my money. If you dont make it right....you won't be getting my money anytime soon.

Knowledge is power. Sweeping the truth under a rug doesn't serve anyone's best interest.

But what do I know. I like Fireball

 

[JBS]

Maybe this has been answered, but why won't ultras insurance cover this?

Have you every tried to collect from an Insurance Company?

Almost impossible.

You could not find a Lawyer to take a case like this on contingency. Not enough money and the Ins company will not pay. Ultra knows this.

This is assuming that there was even a Policy in force that would cover.

What Ultra had the Policy? What Ultra is responsible?

People want to think that the insurance paid. There is NO WAY that a claim would of been paid without a suit being filed. Who has seen the suit?

I have a Mfg business and I can tell you that the likelihood of my policy paying on a MFG defect according to my carrier is slim to none. EVERY component and process would be in joined in the suit and without willfull negligence there would be no payment.

Other than to the Lawyers :grumble:

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

I've been beaten by the angry mob a time or two lol

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[Joker]

Insurance companies are experts at denying claims. Until the legal costs out weigh the claim, why should they do anything? What they should do is pay John to build new hulls and swap over parts. Someone should set up a class action law suit against Ultra and it's insurance company.

So it's different than a construction defect claim where you claim against the insurance company and they bring everyone into the suit and pay out to settle it?
Insurance companies generally do not let you profit off of a claim, therefore prohibiting the defendant from doing the repair work should a claim arise.

 

[Joker]

A problem occurred when you were given permission to post in this thread.

:thumbsup, now go suck on some salmon balls.

 

[Outdrive1]

So it's different than a construction defect claim where you claim against the insurance company and they bring everyone into the suit and pay out to settle it?
Insurance companies generally do not let you profit off of a claim, therefore prohibiting the defendant from doing the repair work should a claim arise.

That makes sense.

 

[BarryMac]

Fuck Insurance companies...

Fuck Banks...

Fuck Brown...

 

[River911]

Fuck Insurance companies...

Fuck Banks...

Fuck Brown...

I disagree with fuck insurance companies and banks

 

[Ultra28]

It's nice to see all the experts on here give their two cents. This has been gone over many times already, so I don't know why I continue to feel the need to come on here and repeat it again, but here it goes.

A lot of you say I "screwed" people by going out of business. As if I went out of business to keep from taking care of customers problems, or it was the problems that caused me to go out of business. The fact is I was out of business for over two years before the there was a single call about an issue with the infused boats. The economy killed my business, not my boats, customer satisfaction or other. While I was in business you couldn't find someone that went as far as I did to take care of my customers and make sure everyone was satisfied.

There were actually 15 insfused Ultras built, all between 2006 and 2008. Most were either 26 deck boats or 27 Shadows. Two were 19' drag boats.
I know of three boats that definatley have had laminate problems. Each boat owner has been talked to about the infused boat issues other than one boat that I have not been able to locate. Most of the boats have been inspected and are fine. The ones that weren't inspected, the customers are keeping an eye on them.

I did carry insurance the entire time I was in business. The insurance should cover it, but as some have already stated, it would take a lawsuit to get anything accomplished. If your boat is not broken yet, then you don't have a lawsuit according to the lawyers I have spoke to. I tried to get the guy with Baby Blue to sue me and my insurance.

I am not back in business, nor do I ever plan on getting back into the boat business as a full time thing. I am helping with the design and build of some boats, that's about it for now.

 

[40FlatDeck]

It is a shitty deal for sure. I know how those people feel, and it is horrible.

When I bought my Skater from what I thought was a very reputable dealer AND offshore racer, I took his word for the condition of the boat. 2 years down the road I find out the real story of the boat.....:thumbsdown So, just like these Ultra owners, I could take the plunge and have it repaired, sell it for a gigantic lose, or let it sit. Well, I took the plunge....I should have just burnt the fucking thing down....

There is no worse feeling then looking at your dream boat, that you have sitting there, but cannot use, and no one is willing to help you out.

Then, a bigger slap in the face is to see them building boats again, yet you are fucked....:thumbsdown

I feel for all you guys.

 

[Ultra28]

There is no worse feeling then looking at your dream boat, that you have sitting there, but cannot use, and no one is willing to help you out.

Then, a bigger slap in the face is to see them building boats again, yet you are fucked....:thumbsdown

I feel for all you guys.

Who's fucked? Who is sitting there looking at their boats not able to use them? Who are you "feeling for"? Do you know of any Ultra owner that this is happening to at this time? Do you know what, if anything, was done to help them out? Or are you just speculating from what you read on the internet?

 

[boatnutt]

It's nice to see all the experts on here give their two cents. This has been gone over many times already, so I don't know why I continue to feel the need to come on here and repeat it again, but here it goes.

A lot of you say I "screwed" people by going out of business. As if I went out of business to keep from taking care of customers problems, or it was the problems that caused me to go out of business. The fact is I was out of business for over two years before the there was a single call about an issue with the infused boats. The economy killed my business, not my boats, customer satisfaction or other. While I was in business you couldn't find someone that went as far as I did to take care of my customers and make sure everyone was satisfied.

There were actually 15 insfused Ultras built, all between 2006 and 2008. Most were either 26 deck boats or 27 Shadows. Two were 19' drag boats.
I know of three boats that definatley have had laminate problems. Each boat owner has been talked to about the infused boat issues other than one boat that I have not been able to locate. Most of the boats have been inspected and are fine. The ones that weren't inspected, the customers are keeping an eye on them.

I did carry insurance the entire time I was in business. The insurance should cover it, but as some have already stated, it would take a lawsuit to get anything accomplished. If your boat is not broken yet, then you don't have a lawsuit according to the lawyers I have spoke to. I tried to get the guy with Baby Blue to sue me and my insurance.

I am not back in business, nor do I ever plan on getting back into the boat business as a full time thing. I am helping with the design and build of some boats, that's about it for now.

Thanks for the better understanding on this. I am in buisness also for my self and i will say that even if you try and give people a excellent product "SHIT HAPPENS" out of our control. Sounds like you are truly tring to help people with this. I have to say your boats look awesome and i would still like to own one. That being said, how do i find out if the blue and silver 26 shadow deck (that was just on ebay) is infused or not. I love the boat but a little scared of the situation.

 

[Ultra28]

Thanks for the better understanding on this. I am in buisness also for my self and i will say that even if you try and give people a excellent product "SHIT HAPPENS" out of our control. Sounds like you are truly tring to help people with this. I have to say your boats look awesome and i would still like to own one. That being said, how do i find out if the blue and silver 26 shadow deck (that was just on ebay) is infused or not. I love the boat but a little scared of the situation.

I don't know which boat it is that you are talking about. If you can get a picture of it, I will be able to tell you if it is. I understand your hesitation to purchase without knowing if it is infused or not.

 

[River911]

Thanks for the better understanding on this. I am in buisness also for my self and i will say that even if you try and give people a excellent product "SHIT HAPPENS" out of our control. Sounds like you are truly tring to help people with this. I have to say your boats look awesome and i would still like to own one. That being said, how do i find out if the blue and silver 26 shadow deck (that was just on ebay) is infused or not. I love the boat but a little scared of the situation.

Shit happens?? lol I'm gonna try that the next time I have to eat $30K because a dumb fuck newly terminated employee screws up a customers piece of equipment.

Hey Mr. Customer...sorry, shit happens I like it.

 

[40FlatDeck]

Who's fucked? Who is sitting there looking at their boats not able to use them? Who are you "feeling for"? Do you know of any Ultra owner that this is happening to at this time? Do you know what, if anything, was done to help them out? Or are you just speculating from what you read on the internet?

I feel for the guys who have to "inspect" their hull every time out, or the guy whos sponson cracked the first time out, or the bitchen baby blue boat that had to be parted out.

Do I know them on a personal level? No, but I can read stories.

 

[boatnutt]

Shit happens?? lol I'm gonna try that the next time I have to eat $30K because a dumb fuck newly terminated employee screws up a customers piece of equipment.

Hey Mr. Customer...sorry, shit happens I like it.

Your company is only as good as your employes. They NEVER care as much as you would. I dont like it when shit happens but it just does! Life and people arnt perfect. Its how we deal with the shit storm is what counts.

 

[boatnutt]

I don't know which boat it is that you are talking about. If you can get a picture of it, I will be able to tell you if it is. I understand your hesitation to purchase without knowing if it is infused or not.

serial # is UCUED010B707 07 26ft. shadow deck

 

[BarryMac]

Here you go John, Boat link from Ebay

 

[NicPaus]

serial # is UCUED010B707 07 26ft. shadow deck

Here is a picture. I would check to see who or what location actually rigged it. Then go through it personally before buying.

 

[shippingguy]

Here is a picture. I would check to see who or what location actually rigged it. Then go through it personally before buying.

That boat is infused. That boat was built in El Cajon and rigged by Ultra with a 525 and shown at the LA Boat Show. Was bought by two younger guys at the show. This boat was definitely USED!!! Also saw some time in the PACIFIC OCEAN before the bank repo'd it.

 

[NicPaus]

That boat is infused. That boat was built in El Cajon and rigged by Ultra with a 525 and shown at the LA Boat Show.

Noticed it keeps getting relisted something fishy. No wonder starting bid is $1

 

[shippingguy]

Noticed it keeps getting relisted something fishy. No wonder starting bid is $1

Yeah I don't know too much about that. Like any boat that has been repo'd I would go through it and check it and have it professionally inspected. Just like buying a Short Sale or Foreclosure home!

 

[Abc123]

Here you go John, Boat link from Ebay

I remember seeing that boat at the LA Show. I also believe it was featured in Hot Boat Mag.

Infused or not, I just bid $20,000 on it but I didn't hit the reserve. :grumble:

 

[Abc123]

You should go for it.

I love the thought of you buying that boat, installing a train horn, heading out onto an open body of water, giving a couple of long blasts on the train horn... long enough to cause severe delamination... and then you going down.

That would be art! :thumbsup

Thanks but there's no way I'd get it. 40FlatDeck is determined to win. :thumbsup

 

[RUNNINHOTRACING163.1]

Shit happens?? lol I'm gonna try that the next time I have to eat $30K because a dumb fuck newly terminated employee screws up a customers piece of equipment.

Hey Mr. Customer...sorry, shit happens I like it.

that should go over good like a FART IN CHURCH











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[boatnutt]

That boat is infused. That boat was built in El Cajon and rigged by Ultra with a 525 and shown at the LA Boat Show. Was bought by two younger guys at the show. This boat was definitely USED!!! Also saw some time in the PACIFIC OCEAN before the bank repo'd it.

Thanks! i was going to pay 60k for it. Even though there is some ulta pricks on this site, thank you- thank you- thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! later

 

[Ultra28]

That's my old boat. It is one of the three that I know had problems. I had heard that it completely broke and partially sunk.

 

[boatnutt]

thanks for info. i still hope to own one of your boats someday, just not that one.