ultra delam question

[JBS]

Maybe you can join team Trident, when the market picks up and Wes jumps back in. It would be a great opportunity to learn the correct way to infuse a hull.

Tom I may have to question the motivation behind this post


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[TBI]

What this thread needs is more cowbell.


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[sirbob]

Maybe you can join team Trident, when the market picks up and Wes jumps back in. It would be a great opportunity to learn the correct way to infuse a hull.

Tom

I'm usually pretty good at getting your humor, however on this thread you seem to have a real hard on for JW.

For those of us that are unsure if you are joking around or seriously attacking JW could you please make it clear?

Nothing JW can say or do will make it right by you...

Or

Just making another light hearted statement....


Thanks:thumbsup

 

[Tom Brown]

Nothing JW can say or do will make it right by you...

I thought I was going to take a lot more heat from Ultra owners than I have so far.

Now look, you moronic fuck. I haven't criticized John West nor have I slammed his boats. If you had half a God damn clue you would realize I'm the one who has been defending Ultra boats, generally. Ultra makes a wet layup boat that has a lot of happy people running them.

... but in terms of infusion, they shit the bed. They were quick to throw up their hand and say, "Hey... don't bother with that Trident thing. We can do infusion too." Well, it turns out, they couldn't. It was over their head.

Worse still, there is some evidence to suggest a significant part of the problem is the use of non-infusion grade materials. That's fucking ignorant. That would be like me building a space rocket using components I purchased from Radio Shack. Gee, they won't work in space? That's odd. They work fine here.

As for John West, I think he's a cool guy. I like him. I'd buy a wet lamination boat that was made by him without giving it a second thought. The guy has been around the industry a long time, done a ton of great stuff, and has the nicest gel in the business in terms of design. John is a great talent. In this regard, my message has not changed.

.... but I'm not going to walk on eggshells around anyone. I'm not going to suck anyone's dick because they are my friend. I joke around with everybody and that cuts sometimes but I have zero interest in being part of any conspiracies.

I can go further down this rabbit hole. How far would you like to go?

Why don't you buy an infused Ultra, sirbob? Show us how great they are. It was just a few of duds. I'm sure you'd be good to go with your family on the ocean in a nice infused Ultra deck. :thumbsup


That will be all, for now.

 

[River911]

I thought I was going to take a lot more heat from Ultra owners than I have so far.

Now look, you moronic fuck. I haven't criticized John West nor have I slammed his boats. If you had half a God damn clue you would realize I'm the one who has been defending Ultra boats, generally. Ultra makes a wet layup boat that has a lot of happy people running them.

... but in terms of infusion, they shit the bed. They were quick to throw up their hand and say, "Hey... don't bother with that Trident thing. We can do infusion too." Well, it turns out, they couldn't. It was over their head.

Worse still, there is some evidence to suggest a significant part of the problem is the use of non-infusion grade materials. That's fucking ignorant. That would be like me building a space rocket using components I purchased from Radio Shack. Gee, they won't work in space? That's odd. They work fine here.

As for John West, I think he's a cool guy. I like him. I'd buy a wet lamination boat that was made by him without giving it a second thought. The guy has been around the industry a long time, done a ton of great stuff, and has the nicest gel in the business in terms of design. John is a great talent. In this regard, my message has not changed.

.... but I'm not going to walk on eggshells around anyone. I'm not going to suck anyone's dick because they are my friend. I joke around with everybody and that cuts sometimes but I have zero interest in being part of any conspiracies.

I can go further down this rabbit hole. How far would you like to go?

Why don't you buy an infused Ultra, sirbob? Show us how great they are. It was just a few of duds. I'm sure you'd be good to go with your family on the ocean in a nice infused Ultra deck. :thumbsup


That will be all, for now.

Fucking Brown LOL

 

[boatnutt]

I thought I was going to take a lot more heat from Ultra owners than I have so far.

Now look, you moronic fuck. I haven't criticized John West nor have I slammed his boats. If you had half a God damn clue you would realize I'm the one who has been defending Ultra boats, generally. Ultra makes a wet layup boat that has a lot of happy people running them.

... but in terms of infusion, they shit the bed. They were quick to throw up their hand and say, "Hey... don't bother with that Trident thing. We can do infusion too." Well, it turns out, they couldn't. It was over their head.

Worse still, there is some evidence to suggest a significant part of the problem is the use of non-infusion grade materials. That's fucking ignorant. That would be like me building a space rocket using components I purchased from Radio Shack. Gee, they won't work in space? That's odd. They work fine here.

As for John West, I think he's a cool guy. I like him. I'd buy a wet lamination boat that was made by him without giving it a second thought. The guy has been around the industry a long time, done a ton of great stuff, and has the nicest gel in the business in terms of design. John is a great talent. In this regard, my message has not changed.

.... but I'm not going to walk on eggshells around anyone. I'm not going to suck anyone's dick because they are my friend. I joke around with everybody and that cuts sometimes but I have zero interest in being part of any conspiracies.

I can go further down this rabbit hole. How far would you like to go?

Why don't you buy an infused Ultra, sirbob? Show us how great they are. It was just a few of duds. I'm sure you'd be good to go with your family on the ocean in a nice infused Ultra deck. :thumbsup


That will be all, for now.

I know how you feel! This tread is only to imform not to bash. ultra owners keep reading to much into whats being said. The facts are not even debatable. Its really simple, infused ultra boats didnt work well. End of story.

 

[TBI]

I thought I was going to take a lot more heat from Ultra owners than I have so far.

Now look, you moronic fuck. I haven't criticized John West nor have I slammed his boats. If you had half a God damn clue you would realize I'm the one who has been defending Ultra boats, generally. Ultra makes a wet layup boat that has a lot of happy people running them.

... but in terms of infusion, they shit the bed. They were quick to throw up their hand and say, "Hey... don't bother with that Trident thing. We can do infusion too." Well, it turns out, they couldn't. It was over their head.

Worse still, there is some evidence to suggest a significant part of the problem is the use of non-infusion grade materials. That's fucking ignorant. That would be like me building a space rocket using components I purchased from Radio Shack. Gee, they won't work in space? That's odd. They work fine here.

As for John West, I think he's a cool guy. I like him. I'd buy a wet lamination boat that was made by him without giving it a second thought. The guy has been around the industry a long time, done a ton of great stuff, and has the nicest gel in the business in terms of design. John is a great talent. In this regard, my message has not changed.

.... but I'm not going to walk on eggshells around anyone. I'm not going to suck anyone's dick because they are my friend. I joke around with everybody and that cuts sometimes but I have zero interest in being part of any conspiracies.

I can go further down this rabbit hole. How far would you like to go?

Why don't you buy an infused Ultra, sirbob? Show us how great they are. It was just a few of duds. I'm sure you'd be good to go with your family on the ocean in a nice infused Ultra deck. :thumbsup


That will be all, for now.

Another "Happy Ending" from our neighbor to the North

 

[sirbob]

I thought I was going to take a lot more heat from Ultra owners than I have so far.

Now look, you moronic fuck. I haven't criticized John West nor have I slammed his boats. If you had half a God damn clue you would realize I'm the one who has been defending Ultra boats, generally. Ultra makes a wet layup boat that has a lot of happy people running them.

... but in terms of infusion, they shit the bed. They were quick to throw up their hand and say, "Hey... don't bother with that Trident thing. We can do infusion too." Well, it turns out, they couldn't. It was over their head.

Worse still, there is some evidence to suggest a significant part of the problem is the use of non-infusion grade materials. That's fucking ignorant. That would be like me building a space rocket using components I purchased from Radio Shack. Gee, they won't work in space? That's odd. They work fine here.

As for John West, I think he's a cool guy. I like him. I'd buy a wet lamination boat that was made by him without giving it a second thought. The guy has been around the industry a long time, done a ton of great stuff, and has the nicest gel in the business in terms of design. John is a great talent. In this regard, my message has not changed.

.... but I'm not going to walk on eggshells around anyone. I'm not going to suck anyone's dick because they are my friend. I joke around with everybody and that cuts sometimes but I have zero interest in being part of any conspiracies.

I can go further down this rabbit hole. How far would you like to go?

Why don't you buy an infused Ultra, sirbob? Show us how great they are. It was just a few of duds. I'm sure you'd be good to go with your family on the ocean in a nice infused Ultra deck. :thumbsup


That will be all, for now.

Well I guess thats pretty clear...

Now for the part where I became a moronic fuck - how did that happen?

And for the record - you have never seen me defend any infused Ultras & if you misunderstood my request for a clarification of your position on this issue as a defense of those boats - you have done so erroneously. Hence I do not feel the need to buy an infused boat and take my family out in it to prove anything.

Based on the sarcasm in most of your post I was genuinely not sure of your position.

BTW - Its really hard to respond in such an even keeled manner when you have been called names, a visceral response is natural but I know thats not something I want to be a part of at this time. My intent in using words like thanks and symbles like :thumbsup was to show genuine interest in your opinion - not to provoke and attack on me...

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Don't be so upset. Canadians have no balls, drive Volskwagens and Glastrons and have serious bowel issues. The only place where then can act tough is on the internet.

Well I guess thats pretty clear...

Now for the part where I became a moronic fuck - how did that happen?

And for the record - you have never seen me defend any infused Ultras & if you misunderstood my request for a clarification of your position on this issue as a defense of those boats - you have done so erroneously. Hence I do not feel the need to buy an infused boat and take my family out in it to prove anything.

Based on the sarcasm in most of your post I was genuinely not sure of your position.

BTW - Its really hard to respond in such an even keeled manner when you have been called names, a visceral response is natural but I know thats not something I want to be a part of at this time. My intent in using words like thanks and symbles like :thumbsup was to show genuine interest in your opinion - not to provoke and attack on me...

 

[Ultra28]

Ok, I want to clear a few things up about the infused boats. It's been said by some that we did not use infusion grade materials and that we jumped in without doing any testing as well as other things said.

We bought all infusion grade materials. Insfusion grade materials are not much more expensive than traditional materials and the cost is almost offset by the resin savings, so there would be no reason to bypass the good stuff. Everything we bought was through Fiberlay. Fiberlay also brought us their glass experts and engineers that gave us our laminating schedule. We hired Kelly Fjerstad to handle all of our infusion. He had been infusing for many years before coming to us. The first boat infused was my 26 deck. I ran it for 6 months before going ahead and infusing more boats. I beat that boat pretty hard and didn't see any sign of any problems.


There are currently no infused Ultras that are not in use today. Baby Blue was never parted out, from what I have been told the new owner fixed it at a relatively minimal cost. It did not delaminate as we were first lead to believe. Some bulk heads broke loose because we (Ultra) did not grind well enough before bonding them. I have not seen the boat first hand since being repaired, it is on the East Coast, but I have no reason to not believe what I have been told.


The other 27 that the guy bought off Craigslist and had it break after only an hour of use. He found that his boat had been in an accident prior to him purchasing it. It was not repaired properly (they used bondo and paint for a lot of the repairs). I have heard that people who saw the damage on this boat said there was some dry glass. I don't know if it was our glass or the glass that was done by the person that did the repairs. His own insurance (after inspecting it) paid him out and let him keep the boat. He sold it (still broken) and the new owner had it fixed and was out running it the weekend of Desert Storm.

I never did get to see what happened to my old boat other than what I saw on the internet. It looked like the the front sponson broke. I see the boat is now for sale on E-bay and looks beat to hell. I don't know who did the repairs on the boat or anything about it other than what I read on the internet, so I don't know if it was a lamination issue or what. I do know that the boat looks beat bad and I wouldn't buy it whether or not it was infused.

I know of one other 27 that had some bulkheads break loose, but there was no delamination. That boat ran for 3 years in the San Diego bay in some very rough water- no delamination. Teague 900 over 110 mph. Kevin from KMG inspected the boat (he is very well versed in infusion) and has informed me that the boat is fine and there appears to be nothing wrong with the infusion.

I'm not here trying to claim that everything is all good with our infused boats and people should go out and buy one, just shedding a little light on how things went and are going.

Mike Miller still runs his at the drags in excess of 140 mph.

That beautiful red 27 Shadow in jsquaredgc's post (post 204 in this thread)is infused, has ran over 115 mph many times.

There is a 26 deck out here with a Teague 1200 in it that has run over 130 (yes, 130), still out at Fishers all the time.

 

[GRADS2009]

I'm not going to suck anyone's dick because they are my friend.

And there we have the difference between you and RitcheyRch.

 

[RiverDave]

Ok, I want to clear a few things up about the infused boats. It's been said by some that we did not use infusion grade materials and that we jumped in without doing any testing as well as other things said.

We bought all infusion grade materials. Insfusion grade materials are not much more expensive than traditional materials and the cost is almost offset by the resin savings, so there would be no reason to bypass the good stuff. Everything we bought was through Fiberlay. Fiberlay also brought us their glass experts and engineers that gave us our laminating schedule. We hired Kelly Fjerstad to handle all of our infusion. He had been infusing for many years before coming to us. The first boat infused was my 26 deck. I ran it for 6 months before going ahead and infusing more boats. I beat that boat pretty hard and didn't see any sign of any problems.


There are currently no infused Ultras that are not in use today. Baby Blue was never parted out, from what I have been told the new owner fixed it at a relatively minimal cost. It did not delaminate as we were first lead to believe. Some bulk heads broke loose because we (Ultra) did not grind well enough before bonding them. I have not seen the boat first hand since being repaired, it is on the East Coast, but I have no reason to not believe what I have been told.


The other 27 that the guy bought off Craigslist and had it break after only an hour of use. He found that his boat had been in an accident prior to him purchasing it. It was not repaired properly (they used bondo and paint for a lot of the repairs). I have heard that people who saw the damage on this boat said there was some dry glass. I don't know if it was our glass or the glass that was done by the person that did the repairs. His own insurance (after inspecting it) paid him out and let him keep the boat. He sold it (still broken) and the new owner had it fixed and was out running it the weekend of Desert Storm.

I never did get to see what happened to my old boat other than what I saw on the internet. It looked like the the front sponson broke. I see the boat is now for sale on E-bay and looks beat to hell. I don't know who did the repairs on the boat or anything about it other than what I read on the internet, so I don't know if it was a lamination issue or what. I do know that the boat looks beat bad and I wouldn't buy it whether or not it was infused.

I know of one other 27 that had some bulkheads break loose, but there was no delamination. That boat ran for 3 years in the San Diego bay in some very rough water- no delamination. Teague 900 over 110 mph. Kevin from KMG inspected the boat (he is very well versed in infusion) and has informed me that the boat is fine and there appears to be nothing wrong with the infusion.

I'm not here trying to claim that everything is all good with our infused boats and people should go out and buy one, just shedding a little light on how things went and are going.

Mike Miller still runs his at the drags in excess of 140 mph.

That beautiful red 27 Shadow in jsquaredgc's post (post 204 in this thread)is infused, has ran over 115 mph many times.

There is a 26 deck out here with a Teague 1200 in it that has run over 130 (yes, 130), still out at Fishers all the time.

Well from that post it sounds like they might not be as bad as originally thought?

 

[Tom Brown]

Well from that post it sounds like they might not be as bad as originally thought?

Indeed.

I have been posting based on a survey report that came out of the examination of a problem hull. The survey is pretty damning and certainly looks official and legit. I thought I was on solid ground.

Anecdotal evidence suggests the survey might have had nefarious motives and was inaccurate. Interesting, indeed. In fact, the boat is apparently alive and well, remediated with relatively modest repairs.

It would be amazing to contact the new owner of this once "totaled" boat. Apparently, he runs a glass shop and fixed it up with little effort. If the new owner could stop by and corroborate this new bit of info, that might suggest that Ultra infused hulls are actually just fine. If this is the case, I owe Ultra and John personally a huge apology and a big, sloppy altoid blowjob.

 

[Abc123]

Ok, I want to clear a few things up about the infused boats. It's been said by some that we did not use infusion grade materials and that we jumped in without doing any testing as well as other things said.

We bought all infusion grade materials. Insfusion grade materials are not much more expensive than traditional materials and the cost is almost offset by the resin savings, so there would be no reason to bypass the good stuff. Everything we bought was through Fiberlay. Fiberlay also brought us their glass experts and engineers that gave us our laminating schedule. We hired Kelly Fjerstad to handle all of our infusion. He had been infusing for many years before coming to us. The first boat infused was my 26 deck. I ran it for 6 months before going ahead and infusing more boats. I beat that boat pretty hard and didn't see any sign of any problems.


There are currently no infused Ultras that are not in use today. Baby Blue was never parted out, from what I have been told the new owner fixed it at a relatively minimal cost. It did not delaminate as we were first lead to believe. Some bulk heads broke loose because we (Ultra) did not grind well enough before bonding them. I have not seen the boat first hand since being repaired, it is on the East Coast, but I have no reason to not believe what I have been told.


The other 27 that the guy bought off Craigslist and had it break after only an hour of use. He found that his boat had been in an accident prior to him purchasing it. It was not repaired properly (they used bondo and paint for a lot of the repairs). I have heard that people who saw the damage on this boat said there was some dry glass. I don't know if it was our glass or the glass that was done by the person that did the repairs. His own insurance (after inspecting it) paid him out and let him keep the boat. He sold it (still broken) and the new owner had it fixed and was out running it the weekend of Desert Storm.

I never did get to see what happened to my old boat other than what I saw on the internet. It looked like the the front sponson broke. I see the boat is now for sale on E-bay and looks beat to hell. I don't know who did the repairs on the boat or anything about it other than what I read on the internet, so I don't know if it was a lamination issue or what. I do know that the boat looks beat bad and I wouldn't buy it whether or not it was infused.

I know of one other 27 that had some bulkheads break loose, but there was no delamination. That boat ran for 3 years in the San Diego bay in some very rough water- no delamination. Teague 900 over 110 mph. Kevin from KMG inspected the boat (he is very well versed in infusion) and has informed me that the boat is fine and there appears to be nothing wrong with the infusion.

I'm not here trying to claim that everything is all good with our infused boats and people should go out and buy one, just shedding a little light on how things went and are going.

Mike Miller still runs his at the drags in excess of 140 mph.

That beautiful red 27 Shadow in jsquaredgc's post (post 204 in this thread)is infused, has ran over 115 mph many times.

There is a 26 deck out here with a Teague 1200 in it that has run over 130 (yes, 130), still out at Fishers all the time.

Pretty tough to shake a stick at that post! :thumbsup

This is Miller's right? The carbon boat.

 

[WTMFA]

Indeed.

I have been posting based on a survey report that came out of the examination of a problem hull. The survey is pretty damning and certainly looks official and legit. I thought I was on solid ground.

Anecdotal evidence suggests the survey might have had nefarious motives and was inaccurate. Interesting, indeed. In fact, the boat is apparently alive and well, remediated with relatively modest repairs.

It would be amazing to contact the new owner of this once "totaled" boat. Apparently, he runs a glass shop and fixed it up with little effort. If the new owner could stop by and corroborate this new bit of info, that might suggest that Ultra infused hulls are actually just fine. If this is the case, I owe Ultra and John personally a huge apology and a big, sloppy altoid blowjob.

Your dick prolly looks like it's been stuck in a waffle iron you've stepped on it so many times :skull

 

[was thatguy]

What this thread needs is more cowbell.


Sent from my Commodore 64.

Like this?

 

[sirbob]

I have been posting based on a survey report that came out of the examination of a problem hull. The survey is pretty damning and certainly looks official and legit. I thought I was on solid ground..

That still does not excuse the "moronic fuck" name calling ...

 

[Tom Brown]

That still does not excuse the "moronic fuck" name calling ...

Why do you have to attack me in every post?

 

[jsquaredgc]

Damn your boat is my favorite of all time!!!!

Thanks I wish I could take credit for it but I bought it from Adam ( demoman) that was his creation.......I will say this its a BITCH to keep it looking that way . As far as whos is the nicest....Mine is of course !!!:thumbsup

 

[shippingguy]

As far as whos is the nicest....Mine is of course !!!:thumbsup

Put the bottle down Jeff! It is only 3:30 on a Wed.!! Lol

 

[Tom Brown]

That still does not excuse the "moronic fuck" name calling ...

OK, I will address this to you directly, instead of the riddle like responses I seem to be psychologically programmed to make.

I should not have called you a moronic fuck and apologize for doing so. It was inappropriate.

In my defense, I thought it was kind of funny. It seemed justified after the "Nothing JW can say or do will make it right by you..." comment but, in retrospect, my response was pretty strong. Yeah, I was looking for justification to go off on someone. lol!

So... once again, I apologize. This second apology seems like a good idea given your record of not being all that perceptive.

 

[jsquaredgc]

Put the bottle down Jeff! It is only 3:30 on a Wed.!! Lol

It makes getting through the day easier

 

[VoodooMedMan]

I vote Brown for Canatard of the year!!!

 

[NAFLASH]

Wow, I really feel bad for John. I've been working with resin infusion for a few years now and am familiar with the process. To this day I have never really seen any infused layup's delaminate Something seriously has to go wrong with the resin system. It all makes a lot more sense now though.

A couple people beat the shit out of their boat's and blamed it on the new process that Ultra was using. I'd love to see one of these boats that is "delaminating".

 

[Guest]

So... once again, I apologize. This second apology seems like a good idea given your record of not being all that perceptive.

....Crack....There's a drive to deep center....

 

[River911]

It makes getting through the day easier

Have I seen your boat in Parker? Very nice boat :thumbsup

 

[cave]

My favorite Ultra. Saw it up close when Paul had it here in AZ. If its true and back in action on the East Coast, that would great news.

 

[strippoker]

My favorite Ultra. Saw it up close when Paul had it here in AZ. If its true and back in action on the East Coast, that would great news.

Yes it's back on the lake of the Ozarks, it's owned by a good friend of mine. I have talked to him from the day it showed up in his shop. We have always been in comunication, seeing how I can honestly tell him every switch and cable in that boat. He owns a great fiberglass and detail shop and couldn't be more happy. He always wanted a 27 and when he got this he was like a kid getting a new toy at Xmas. In fact he called when he was taking the shrink wrap off.