Bobby V
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Dave doesn't like us bringing up HB.You forgot Hotboat!![]()
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Dave doesn't like us bringing up HB.You forgot Hotboat!![]()
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Dave does not come around these partsDave doesn't like us bringing up HB.![]()
He does when the tattlebaby inmates call him.Dave does not come around these parts![]()
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This day can be marked as the day the Elephants and the Lions future became crystal clear. Tanzania can no longer protect them, simply because the hunters have stopped coming. Pasanini hunting safaris has surrendered ALL of his formidable areas back to the government. I have hunted in several of his once beautiful concessions. The animals will all be gone. Stainless' prediction that there will be less Elephants will become true, but not because of guys like me. They needed the protections offered by hunters dollars.
Lions and Elephants and probably most other game will be gone in these areas. As people stop hunting, moneys stops, anti poaching dollars stop.
"If it pays, it stays" ....when the money stops, what happens next?
I completely understand that hunting these animals, saves the species is a hard concept to understand.
Stainless, you've won. Africa's wildlife has lost.
This day can be marked as the day the Elephants and the Lions future became crystal clear. Tanzania can no longer protect them, simply because the hunters have stopped coming. Pasanini hunting safaris has surrendered ALL of his formidable areas back to the government. I have hunted in several of his once beautiful concessions. The animals will all be gone. Stainless' prediction that there will be less Elephants will become true, but not because of guys like me. They needed the protections offered by hunters dollars.
Lions and Elephants and probably most other game will be gone in these areas. As people stop hunting, moneys stops, anti poaching dollars stop.
"If it pays, it stays" ....when the money stops, what happens next?
I completely understand that hunting these animals, saves the species is a hard concept to understand.
Stainless, you've won. Africa's wildlife has lost.
I thought Trump reversed himself and going to let YOU kill elephants on a case by case basis? What’s changed Nganga? Yes it seems Africa’s wildlife will lose under Trump. [emoji107]
It would look like Chicago or Detroit, or any other formerly great American city now run into the ground by democrats, but I digress...View attachment 628366
This is a friend of mine in Zambia. His name is Alister Norton. He took over a hunting block that was classified as "depleted" he got it cheap. He began anti poaching activity. In less than 6 months, he confiscated all the poachers rifles you see and over 4,000 wire snares. Without his anti poaching, funded by America hunters, what would his area look like?
http://www.thepatriot.co.bw/news/item/5602-lift-hunting-ban-on-elephants-professor-mbaiwa.html
Hmmm, hunting being used as a tool. What a novel concept.
The sooner all these species no longer inhabit the earth, the sooner there can be agreement on this issue.
Although tragic, that is the only possible rational path to agreement amongst the party's.
The sooner all these species no longer inhabit the earth, the sooner there can be agreement on this issue.
Although tragic, that is the only possible rational path to agreement amongst the party's.
Boom!
So its better to kill them all instead of a few???? Please explain the logic used here.
As a phisherman , do you try and totally depete a lake so there are none left to catch?
I've honestly never heard the argument that in order to save a fish species, you must kill a fish species as is the argument in trophy game. Normally they try not to kill them but protect them.
So the fish analogy seems somewhat non-applicable.
This debate over these large "trophy" animals is unresolvable which I fully accept. So the sooner they are all gone, the sooner everyone can get along as there will be nothing to argue about.
So its better to kill them all instead of a few???? Please explain the logic used here.
As a phisherman , do you try and totally depete a lake so there are none left to catch?
I've honestly never heard the argument that in order to save a fish species, you must kill a fish species as is the argument in trophy game. Normally they try not to kill them but protect them.
So the fish analogy seems somewhat non-applicable.
This debate over these large "trophy" animals is unresolvable which I fully accept. So the sooner they are all gone, the sooner everyone can get along as there will be nothing to argue about.
You do realize that the money to protect these animals comes from those that hunt them.
The local population views them as a nuisance and would rather them gone. The locals, or at least the vast majority, could give two fucks about the bleeding hearts of other nations.
Without the big dollars comes no local paychecks to protect the herds. No local paychecks means people killing them like they’re ridding a gopher in their lawn.
You can despise the “sport” of trophy hunting and still agree it’s likely responsible for sustaining animal populations in the long term.
You are wasting your time. Even though they both claim to be hunters, I very much feel that they are lying, since most people who actively hunt are part of conservation efforts to manage animal populations, since man has made such a large impact on their natural habitat.
They will never understand. Like most liberal or independent douchebags they feel their "opinion" is worth more than years of actual statistics and conservation efforts.
Catch and release.
I'm guessing the folks here in America know whats best...better than the folks whom walk among these grim beasts.
https://africasustainableconservati...parliament-votes-to-end-elephant-hunting-ban/
So you support aborting big game babies?The worlds last male White Northern Rhino died in March, so give it a decade or so and this disagreement too will be resolved.
The worlds last male White Northern Rhino died in March, so give it a decade or so and this disagreement too will be resolved.
X2 Tubby, and I’m not against hunting, just against killing animals for sport.as a kid I was a terror with the bb gun. would shoot anything that moved.
but one day an enormous amount of guilt hit me and since never shot anything again.
This was very disappointing to read in the newspaper this morning. Even though it may have been killed by a poacher it’s just as dead and was killed for no other reason than a pelt for someone to brag about. Here’s the story on a Phoenix TV station.
https://www.12news.com/amp/article?...n-killed-officials-say&contentId=75-566747436
So a Poacher is responsible, noted [emoji106]
Poachers and sport hunters are one in the same to me. As I said, it was done purely to brag about!
Fwiw I haven’t deleted any posts and stand by every post I’ve made in this thread.
Thanks for putting your post back up [emoji106]
Poachers and sport hunters are one in the same to me!
What a fucking idiot.
Why, because your buddy does it and you’re ONLY here to support him dumbass?
EMAL!
No, because it’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. I also quit hunting in my 20’s in Alaska.Why, because your buddy does it and you’re ONLY here to support him dumbass?
EMAL!
No, because it’s one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. I also quit hunting in my 20’s in Alaska.
I did not enjoy killing for “sport” even though we ate moose and whatever else I hunted.
I do not hunt today. I do not enjoy it.
But having lived in a State where game management is a MAJOR concern, and having an Uncle back then who was a game biologist for the State and an avid hunter, I fully understand the delicate nature and balance of game management in an ever changing world.
And it is a balancing act. To call hunters poachers is just flat ignorant.
Here’s something that you might not understand. Species go extinct.
It isnt ALWAYS due to man. But when it is, it is ALWAYS due to lack of management or the POACHING of animals outside of the plan of management.
For management to work, it has to be followed.
Management is the key to preservation and coexistence.
The human population in Africa know this. An ever encroaching world on the animals habitat makes the animals vulnerable.
There has to be a balance or extinction will occur as the animals are rendered as “nuisances” to the human population.
This balance is fragile. Any little paradigm change upsets it.
Poachers get shot with automatic weapons in Africa, by the army and other “poacher hunters”
The African management agencies understand the upset in the balance that poachers cause.
To call hunters poachers is just plain idiocy.
The irony of that statement [emoji1]
I read about 2 sentences and see this is just more SCRAMBLED BULLSHIT with a few words rearranged idiot!
I stand by my statement about “sport hunters” and poachers being one in the same!
EMAL!!
Well, 2 sentences is about your limit.
You know what I did pickup on in your blather of bullshit? You left the word “sport” off every reference to “hunter” in that post hypocrite. What’s the deal, you don’t want to insult a certain member? I think you foundered on Talapia!
EMAL!
I agree whomever killed that beautiful animal was wrong and to me a criminal which is a poacher.Poachers and sport hunters are one in the same to me! As I said, it was done purely to brag about!
Fwiw I haven’t deleted any posts and stand by every post I’ve made in this thread.
The sooner all these species no longer inhabit the earth, the sooner there can be agreement on this issue.
Although tragic, that is the only possible rational path to agreement amongst the party's.
Poachers and sport hunters are one in the same to me! As I said, it was done purely to brag about!
Fwiw I haven’t deleted any posts and stand by every post I’ve made in this thread.
Here's how I read this; You are willing to accept Elephants become extinct, yet you are NOT willing to look at SPORT hunting with at least an open mind as to its potential conservation merits.