Trump disqualified from running in 2024

[EmpirE231]

“that these dead shall not have died in vain– that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth”

 

[Sandlord]

The 14th Amendment doesn't require charges, a conviction, or even an underlying crime, just that the individual participated in an insurrection. The Colorado Supreme Court determined that January 6th was an insurrection, and that Trump participated in it, consistent with Sec. 3 of the 14th Amendment.

And the amendment is clear: anyone who has engaged in insurrection is barred from holding any public office.

Secondly, Trump is literally running on pardoning those convicted of seditious conspiracy. That is aid and comfort.

“No person shall ... hold any office, civil or military, under the United States ... who, having previously taken an oath ... as an officer of the United States ... to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

The lawsuit that resulted in the state Supreme Court's ruling against Trump was brought by Republican and unaffiliated voters.

We’ll see

 

[thetub]

All fair points.

But false media narratives are the main driver of politics today on both sides as neither side or candidate in this case is for America, but for their personal agenda and gain.

530Bs you do realize he has "no sides" of yore both sides comment?

 

[530RL]

530Bs you do realize he has "no sides" of yore both sides comment?

It appears to me based upon the facts that he is running to be the Republican nominee.

If he had "no sides", rationally and logically he would not be running under the R party and would be working to put himself on the ballot in all 50 states separate from one of the "sides".

 

[2CHILL]

You idiots that support this do realize that it's up to the voters to decide who the president is, not the states or the courts, the voters and only the voters. That's how democracy works.

The voters decided in 2020. He lost.
Then he tried to hold on to power illegally (pressuring the vice president and Georgia state official to commit crimes, among other things) and instigated an insurrection. Now he is disqualified via the constitution.

 

[regor]

The voters decided in 2020. He lost.
Then he tried to hold on to power illegally (pressuring the vice president and Georgia state official to commit crimes, among other things) and instigated an insurrection. Now he is disqualified via the constitution.

Why black, Latino and Asian voters are leaving Democratic Party

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It's your fault, but keep parroting yore massa's line, we appreciate it!!!

 

[HNL2LHC]

Why black, Latino and Asian voters are leaving Democratic Party

Joe Biden’s polling numbers continue to sink dramatically among voters of color in an historic shift — and black, Latino and Asian Americans explain why they are abandoning the Democratic Par…

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It's your fault, but keep parroting yore massa's line, we appreciate it!!!

Maybe if the persons of color got the invite to the private dinner party too they would not be leaving the Dem’s party?

 

[JBZ]

The 14th Amendment doesn't require charges, a conviction, or even an underlying crime, just that the individual participated in an insurrection. The Colorado Supreme Court determined that January 6th was an insurrection, and that Trump participated in it, consistent with Sec. 3 of the 14th Amendment.

And the amendment is clear: anyone who has engaged in insurrection is barred from holding any public office.

Secondly, Trump is literally running on pardoning those convicted of seditious conspiracy. That is aid and comfort.

“No person shall ... hold any office, civil or military, under the United States ... who, having previously taken an oath ... as an officer of the United States ... to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

The lawsuit that resulted in the state Supreme Court's ruling against Trump was brought by Republican and unaffiliated voters.

Section 3 of the 14 amendment doesn't mention the president of the united states

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

If you read past section 3, section 5 states that congress regulates this amendment not a judge.
How do you get around this

Congress has not said there was an insurrection
and no one has been charged with 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - (Rebellion or insurrection) for the January 6th protest

Section 5 Enforcement

The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Amdt14.S5.1 Overview of Enforcement Clause. Amdt14.S5.2 Who Congress May Regulate. Amdt14.S5.3 Pre-Modern Doctrine on Enforcement Clause.

 

[SNiC Jet]

.......as neither side or candidate in this case is for America, but for their personal agenda and gain.

I am curious, what do believe is Trump's "personal agenda"?

 

[Wedgy]

The voters decided in 2020. He lost.
Then he tried to hold on to power illegally (pressuring the vice president and Georgia state official to commit crimes, among other things) and instigated an insurrection. Now he is disqualified via the constitution.

That opinion is not based on the law. Trump has not been honestly charged with, nor has he been found guilty of anything.

The CO SC ruling is wishful premature ejaculation. It will be overturned. Because all these stupid fucks are stupid rabid Trump and America hating stupid fucks. All these asshole Dem's are doing is playing, "HLAM!!"

The voters in 2020 were robbed. Just like what's happening now. All over again. Sick shit by evil people.

 

[samsah33]

Section 3 of the 14 amendment doesn't mention the president of the united states

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office​

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

If you read past section 3, section 5 states that congress regulates this amendment not a judge.
How do you get around this

Congress has not said there was an insurrection
and no one has been charged with 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - (Rebellion or insurrection) for the January 6th protest

Section 5 Enforcement

The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Amdt14.S5.1 Overview of Enforcement Clause. Amdt14.S5.2 Who Congress May Regulate. Amdt14.S5.3 Pre-Modern Doctrine on Enforcement Clause.

This is also about more unequal application of the law. Reiterating @Sharky 's point about the CO capitol getting attacked during the BLM insurrections and Polis encouraging and supporting that. Since the 14th also applies to State Legislatures, then why was this same standard not applied to Polis? Without equal application of the law, this is move blatantly and purely political with no basis in reality, and the CO SC has lost any shred of credibility whatsoever at this point.

 

[regor]

 

[Sandlord]

Its the people that are hoping that our democracy is that far gone that we need to watch and worry about.

 

[Looking Glass]

FOX, just listed the States that are watching this unfold before following Colorado. Fucking, ARIZONA.

 

[JBZ]

FOX, just listed the States that are watching this unfold before following Colorado. Fucking, ARIZONA.

Im not sure where the states think they have any standing on a federal statute that happened in DC

 

[bonesfab]

well there is this tib bit https://realrawnews.com/ if any of these are true shit is happening.

 

[530RL]

well there is this tib bit https://realrawnews.com/ if any of these are true shit is happening.

We have been accumulating those tidbits in this thread.

Hold The Line.

Steady as she goes ladies.... Bring her about and prepare to board. The DC protest was a trap and distraction. Patriots have their playbook. Special forces working in other key cities while all were focused on DC. Georgia elections allowed to run to capture last piece of puzzle of how (and by...

www.riverdavesplace.com

 

[530RL]

Im not sure where the states think they have any standing on a federal statute that happened in DC

The authority is derived directly from a Gorsuch opinion which the Colorado Supreme Court cites in their ruling.

That is what makes interesting when going upstairs to the US Supreme Court.

 

[JBZ]

The authority is derived directly from a Gorsuch opinion which the Colorado Supreme Court cites in their ruling.

That is what makes interesting when going upstairs to the US Supreme Court.

"As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office"

"That case, Hassan v. Colorado, dealt with a state statute enforcing the federal constitutional requirement that a person must be a naturally born citizen of the United States in order to run for the presidency"

That was a state statute, so the state is in charge.

This is a Federal statute so how does the state have standing

 

[530RL]

"As then-Judge Gorsuch recognized in Hassan, it is 'a state's legitimate interest in protecting the integrity and practical functioning of the political process' that 'permits it to exclude from the ballot candidates who are constitutionally prohibited from assuming office"

"That case, Hassan v. Colorado, dealt with a state statute enforcing the federal constitutional requirement that a person must be a naturally born citizen of the United States in order to run for the presidency"

That was a state statute, so the state is in charge.

This is a Federal statute so how does the state have standing

This isn’t a federal statute, it is a constitutional prohibition.

The state statute states amongst other things, one must meet all constitutional requirements to be named on the ballot.

As Gorsuch points out, states have the right and interest in assuring all candidates meet all constitutional requirements. A court concluded he did not meet all the requirements and as a result is precluded.

I don’t care either way, but I find it interesting on how Gorsuch will now have to wrestle with his previous position.

 

[jonnyd]

History will not be kind to any Democrat Politician or Judge that passes any law that suppresses voters from voting for their desired candidate.

In my opinion they are not harming Trump as much as they are telling the voters that they are in charge of who gets on a ballot and who doesn't.

I cannot imagine that anyone would want their name attached to such a blatantly obvious violation of the constitution.

For those that don't remember, this has already happened in California back in 2019. My local idiot state assemblyman co-authored a bill to get Trump banned from the ballot on the grounds that he had not released his tax returns. The bill passed the State assembly but didn't get far after that.

I was actually stupid enough to vote for this fool a few years earlier. I guess he thought I was smart enough to vote for him but dumb enough to be able to decide who I wanted for President.

America will not forget what these judges have done and anyone else that decides to follow suit will be forever known as being on the wrong side of America and the wrong side of history!

 

[Sharky]

The authority is derived directly from a Gorsuch opinion which the Colorado Supreme Court cites in their ruling.

That is what makes interesting when going upstairs to the US Supreme Court.

Since you brought it up. . . . Speaking of Gorsuch. . . .

Is this a threat or insurrection??? Should Chuck be barred from his office and running again???


"You will pay the price" Sure sounds like a threat and insurrection to me. Wonder when CREW will be on this??

 

[Sharky]

Local boy done good- Judge Carlos.

One of the CO Supreme Judges that immigrated to the US as a child. Went to the same schools as I did and lives very close to me. Run into him once in a great while when walking around the park.

Old school Democrat. Like my mom. One of the good ones that cares about the workin man and believes in the rule of law. Not some lefty interpation. Has not drank the lefty prog kool-aid.

Good man. Salt of the earth.

Judge Carlos.

His dissenting opinion-

https://www.scribd.com/document/693836681/Samour-s-Dissent#fullscreen&from_embed

 

[Orange Juice]

You're an idiot...
You are basically saying to hell with due process, to hell with democracy and to hell with the will of the people.
Appointed judges can control who wins in your world, just as any other totalitarian government.

No, I’m saying Donald Trump is a joke.

Judges do a lot of things (women’s issues).

What’s your point? Seems very narrow point, and one sided.

 

[HotRod82]

This isn’t a federal statute, it is a constitutional prohibition.

The state statute states amongst other things, one must meet all constitutional requirements to be named on the ballot.

As Gorsuch points out, states have the right and interest in assuring all candidates meet all constitutional requirements. A court concluded he did not meet all the requirements and as a result is precluded.

I don’t care either way, but I find it interesting on how Gorsuch will now have to wrestle with his previous position.

Looks easy to me.
Trump was convicted or accused in CO of participating in an insurrection without a trial of any kind.
Let alone the established fact he was not present at the capitol and made two public statements telling people to go home in peace and to support the capitol Police.
If this actually stands, I fear the Capitol will experience an actual armed insurrection .

 

[4Waters]

No, I’m saying Donald Trump is a joke.

Judges do a lot of things (women’s issues).

What’s your point? Seems very narrow point, and one sided.

Weird, we're all saying you're a joke and you are

 

[SNiC Jet]

as neither side or candidate in this case is for America, but for their personal agenda and gain.

Perhaps you missed my earlier post,..... so I will ask again, in your opinion, what is Trump's "personal agenda" and how will he gain from it?

 

[monkeyswrench]

No, I’m saying Donald Trump is a joke.

Judges do a lot of things (women’s issues).

What’s your point? Seems very narrow point, and one sided.

You managed to place a lot of words on screen, and yet conveyed very little. In fact, essentially all you did is put down Trump, and take a thinnly veiled dig at me...

In effect, strengthening my primary observation of yourself...
You're an idiot.

 

[samsah33]

This isn’t a federal statute, it is a constitutional prohibition.

The state statute states amongst other things, one must meet all constitutional requirements to be named on the ballot.

As Gorsuch points out, states have the right and interest in assuring all candidates meet all constitutional requirements. A court concluded he did not meet all the requirements and as a result is precluded.

I don’t care either way, but I find it interesting on how Gorsuch will now have to wrestle with his previous position.

If the criteria in Hassan is whether or not he was born in the US, then that's a pretty objective criteria. Either he was born in the US or he wasn't.

The criteria for the Trump decision is subjective and open to bias.

Not a lot to wrestle about.

 

[4Waters]

Perhaps you missed my earlier post,..... so I will ask again, in your opinion, what is Trump's "personal agenda" and how will he gain from it?

he will ignore anything that exposes him

 

[Orange Juice]

You managed to place a lot of words on screen, and yet conveyed very little. In fact, essentially all you did is put down Trump, and take a thinnly veiled dig at me...

In effect, strengthening my primary observation of yourself...
You're an idiot.

That’s exactly what Trump has done to the Republican Party. Divid d it into something that’s a loser.

 

[monkeyswrench]

That’s exactly what Trump has done to the Republican Party. Divid d it into something that’s a loser.

Divid d it...
I was unaware of one's ability to get flustered, stammer and stutter while typing

 

[Looking Glass]

That’s exactly what Trump has done to the Republican Party. Divid d it into something that’s a loser.

After ALL the Attempts and Trash Talk, President Trump keeps marching on and picking up Support and Picking Off Opponents. Suck it Up and just accept you are Not stopping him, and just like Cristy and Sununu today on "FOX" you people are making Fools of yourself.

OH!!, I forgot about the Loser "LIZ" Cheney

 

[wallnutz]

Divid d it...
I was unaware of one's ability to get flustered, stammer and stutter while typing

Were you here for the last TDS melt down.?

 

[sprintcvx]

As mentioned above, that pesky 3 branches of government, keeps getting in the way..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1738019976294826408

 

[Doc]

That’s exactly what Trump has done to the Republican Party. Divid d it into something that’s a loser.

Trump exposed the party. People like Paul Ryan, Cheney, Crenshaw, Christie and so forth showing their true colors and how they will do what benefits them personally over the people that voted for them.

Now he takes a play out of the book from the left doesn't debate like Joe didn't. The big difference is Joe did tv Interviews in his basement while Trump still pulls 10's of thousands of people at rally's crushing the poll numbers and his competition so bad that the left is so scared they have to take him off the ballot. They know the cheat has been exposed and will be watched so close they might not be able to pull it off.

Flood the gates with illegals, give them everything and anything they can at the expense of the tax payer then give them rights to vote and hold office just in case they can't pull it off this coming year they have cushion for the following election. That's why these blue cities and states like New York and Chicago are so upset that Florida and Texas are shipping them in droves. Those areas are already blue by huge margins and the plan was to turn Florida and Texas blue by 2024. Now they are crying the blues because they have to deal with Biden's open border.

 

[17 10 Flat]

Trump exposed the party. People like Paul Ryan, Cheney, Crenshaw, Christie and so forth showing their true colors and how they will do what benefits them personally over the people that voted for them.

Now he takes a play out of the book from the left doesn't debate like Joe didn't. The big difference is Joe did tv Interviews in his basement while Trump still pulls 10's of thousands of people at rally's crushing the poll numbers and his competition so bad that the left is so scared they have to take him off the ballot. They know the cheat has been exposed and will be watched so close they might not be able to pull it off.

Flood the gates with illegals, give them everything and anything they can at the expense of the tax payer then give them rights to vote and hold office just in case they can't pull it off this coming year they have cushion for the following election. That's why these blue cities and states like New York and Chicago are so upset that Florida and Texas are shipping them in droves. Those areas are already blue by huge margins and the plan was to turn Florida and Texas blue by 2024. Now they are crying the blues because they have to deal with Biden's open border.

How dare you !!!!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Looks easy to me.
Trump was convicted or accused in CO of participating in an insurrection without a trial of any kind.
Let alone the established fact he was not present at the capitol and made two public statements telling people to go home in peace and to support the capitol Police.
If this actually stands, I fear the Capitol will experience an actual armed insurrection .

Let alone the fact that January 6th has not officially been classified an "insurrection" by and body in the legislative branch of the federal government. Just because the media and the left call it something for clicks and likes, doesn't mean that is what it is.

Trial by select, popular opinion.

 

[sprintcvx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1738312448317263984

 

[530RL]

I am curious, what do believe is Trump's "personal agenda"?

Run the clock out on 91 felonies and then make them go away so he never has to stand trial.

 

[Sandlord]

Run the clock out on 91 *felonies and then make them go away so he never has to stand trial.

*Alleged

 

[Wedgy]

"Bread and Circuses..."
"Rome wasn't built in a day..."

"You ain't seen nuthin' yet..."

 

[regor]

Run the clock out on 91 felonies and then make them go away so he never has to stand trial.

Is Russia collusion part of that?

corrupt commie, along with yore bullshit "felonies"

 

[regor]

Oh and BTW @530RL

and Merry Christmas!!!

 

[Wedgy]

Is the golden shower hooker action a misdemeanor, or a felony? Asking for a friend...

Run the clock out on 91 felonies and then make them go away so he never has to stand trial.

 

[HotRod82]

Oh and BTW @530RL

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and Merry Christmas!!!

Dershowitz has weighed in too, stating the individual States do not have the ability to enforce the 14th amendment, this is solely the responsibility of Congress.
No Standing!!

 

[regor]

Dershowitz has weighed in too, stating the individual States do not have the ability to enforce the 14th amendment, this is solely the responsibility of Congress.
No Standing!!

Yea, he is also disappointed in his kangaroo.

BTFO…….

 

[Wedgy]

Dershowitz has weighed in too, stating the individual States do not have the ability to enforce the 14th amendment, this is solely the responsibility of Congress.
No Standing!!

That is a good point. As time goes on in this post stolen 2020 nightmare reality, I appreciate the Founding Fathers', so very very much for their belief in God, their Ball's of titanium, vision, and perseverance. Big shoes to fill. Godspeed.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Run the clock out on 91 felonies and then make them go away so he never has to stand trial.

 

[regor]