Towing Police check this shit out.

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

My 25 is 6400 empty. Fully loaded with the rzr, firewood ect I’m pushing 11k. I have airbags

That's heavy.
I have air bags also but don't load it with firewood.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I stand with what I said in post 170 to bldrinker. I believe the overall size of the wheel base (length and width for dually) plays a bigger role for lateral stability than weight does.

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[Loo Dog]

You failed reading. A 20 year old 3/4 ton weighs about as much as a modern half ton and will tow similarly... period.

It should come as no surprise that a 5 year old 3/4 ton tows better than a 1 year old 1/2 ton.

You F-150 fan boys are hilarious. Doesn’t matter shit what the trucks weigh. If your F-150 weighs as much as an older 3/4 ton diesel, you’re claiming that as an advantage? I don’t get it. You’re underpowered, period. “Max tow” is a marketing gimmick, the polar opposite of the underrating of yesteryear. There are hundreds of us that pulled 5th wheel toyhaulers with 3/4 diesel trucks WELL over what they were factory rated for at the time. And safely. Those same trucks will still out pull your 13k max F-150 every day of the week. Quit it already.

 

[Bpracing1127]

You F-150 fan boys are hilarious. Doesn’t matter shit what the trucks weigh. If your F-150 weighs as much as an older 3/4 ton diesel, you’re claiming that as an advantage? I don’t get it. You’re underpowered, period. “Max tow” is a marketing gimmick, the polar opposite of the underrating of yesteryear. There are hundreds of us that pulled 5th wheel toyhaulers with 3/4 diesel trucks WELL over what they were factory rated for at the time. And safely. Those same trucks will still out pull your 13k max F-150 every day of the week. Quit it already.

pretty sure we’re not underpowered by any means!!!

2000 7.3 diesel has:
275 hp @ 2800 rpm
575 ft lbs @ 1600 rpm

a 6.0 has:

325 hp @3300 rpm
560@ 2000 rpm

my stock ecoboost has:

365 hp @ 5500 rpm
420 lb ft @ 2500 rpm

in stock form I have more hp than both trucks and 25% less torque than both trucks and the torque curve is basically the same as the diesels.

Now my ecoboost is tuned

I have

390 hp @ 4900
470 lb ft @ 3000 btw this is at the wheels not the crank as facts for stock ecoboost are at the crank! Assuming 10% power loss through rear end and transmission I’m now making 10% less torque than the diesels. So I would hardly say I am underpowered.

 

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[LargeOrangeFont]

You F-150 fan boys are hilarious. Doesn’t matter shit what the trucks weigh. If your F-150 weighs as much as an older 3/4 ton diesel, you’re claiming that as an advantage? I don’t get it. You’re underpowered, period. “Max tow” is a marketing gimmick, the polar opposite of the underrating of yesteryear. There are hundreds of us that pulled 5th wheel toyhaulers with 3/4 diesel trucks WELL over what they were factory rated for at the time. And safely. Those same trucks will still out pull your 13k max F-150 every day of the week. Quit it already.

No. I’m beginning to think a being a member of the towing police force requires lack of reading comprehension and math skills.

Everyone else is saying the extra weight is an advantage, and that a 3/4 ton truck weighs thousands of pounds more (it does not). Read the thread. The extra weight is not necessarily an advantage. I never said it was.

We aren’t talking about pulling over the rated weight of the trucks. Have fun with that one when you get in an accident. You aren’t doing anything “safely” if the truck is overloaded.

You criers seem to have every excuse in the book why you won’t believe the factory standardized ratings, even when people come on with experience and say the truck does it well. Even when you say yourself that you tow well over the ratings your own 3/4 ton “safely”. Please stay off the road for the safety of everyone else.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

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See what happens when you tow with a Fiat

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That's heavy.
I have air bags also but don't load it with firewood.

It’s the wood that makes it good!

 

[Loo Dog]

No. I’m beginning to think a being a member of the towing police force requires lack of reading comprehension and math skills.

Everyone else is saying the extra weight is an advantage, and that a 3/4 ton truck weighs thousands of pounds more (it does not). Read the thread. The extra weight is not necessarily an advantage. I never said it was.

We aren’t talking about pulling over the rated weight of the trucks. Have fun with that one when you get in an accident. You aren’t doing anything “safely” if the truck is overloaded.

You criers seem to have every excuse in the book why you won’t believe the factory standardized ratings, even when people come on with experience and say the truck does it well. Even when you say yourself that you tow well over the ratings your own 3/4 ton “safely”. Please stay off the road for the safety of everyone else.

Apparently you’re the towing AND safety police now. And you alone with your mighty F-150 get to decide who should be on the road and who shouldn’t. Good day, Sir.

 

[HCP3]

A Honda Ridgeline will out tow everyone.

 

[4Waters]

A Honda Ridgeline will out tow everyone.

LOL, truck(ish) of the year a couple of times.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Apparently you’re the towing AND safety police now. And you alone with your mighty F-150 get to decide who should be on the road and who shouldn’t. Good day, Sir.

When you are a menace to yourself and to all others on the road, you must be stopped. Please go buy an F650 to tow your jet ski.

 

[Loo Dog]

When you are a menace to yourself and to all others on the road, you must be stopped. Please go buy an F650 to tow your jet ski.

I’m waiting for the 950 to come out as to stay in compliance. Pop up tent camper shortly thereafter. Should be a legal combo, beyond reproach. Fingers crossed!

 

[CobraDave]

TFL did an interesting comparison. They took a f150 4wd weighing 4900 lbs and a Titan XD weighing about 6200 lbs and rowed an 11,000 lbs trailer up the gauntlet. The results were the F150 smoked it speed wise but the Titan won. They said it felt safer, more stable, didn’t porpoise, braked better. Partly do to the weight. That motor pulled it no
Problem though. Those Ecoboosts are impressive.

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[redone76]

One thing I notice on the 1/2 ton to 3/4 difference is fuel economy. My 1/2 ton Silverado towing my 22ft toy hauler will keep up with my buddy's 3/4 GMC Duramax towing the same but I'll have to stop for fuel more frequently.

 

[HCP3]

TFL did an interesting comparison. They took a f150 4wd weighing 4900 lbs and a Titan XD weighing about 6200 lbs and rowed an 11,000 lbs trailer up the gauntlet. The results were the F150 smoked it speed wise but the Titan won. They said it felt safer, more stable, didn’t porpoise, braked better. Partly do to the weight. That motor pulled it no
Problem though. Those Ecoboosts are impressive.

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That's going to strike some nerves. Nissan beating a Ford?!

 

[mesquito_creek]

the problem or the incentive depending on how you look at it, is that the fine are not high enough to deter the behavior.

Under California Vehicle Code Section 35551(a) VC, having an overweight vehicle is a criminal offense that can carry significant penalties. According to Vehicle Code § 42030(a), the fines start out small. For up to 1,000 pounds over the weight limit for a single axle, the fine is as low as $20 before fees are added. A fine for a typical overweight truck can range from five hundred ($500) to the thousand dollars. Every person convicted of a violation of any weight limitation provision of Division 15 (commencing with Section 35000), and every person convicted of a violation of Section 21461 with respect to signs provided pursuant to Section 35654 or 35752, and every person convicted of a violation of Section 40001 for requiring the operation of a vehicle upon a highway in violation of any provision referred to in this section shall be punished by a fine. In most cases driving an overweight vehicle is a misdemeanor in California law. Misdemeanor ( summary ) probation up (6) months in county jail; and/or a fine of up to one thousand dollars ($1,000).The exception is if the amount of excess weight is less than four thousand five hundred one pounds (4,501). In this case, VC 35551 is only a California infraction. The penalty for overweight vehicles as an infraction is a fine of two hundred fifty dollars ($250).

Under Arizona Vehicle Code: A person who violates section 28-1099 or 28-1100 is subject to a civil penalty, guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor for a second violation of either of these sections within six months of the preceding judgment or/and guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor for a second conviction for a violation of either of these sections within one year of the preceding conviction pursuant.
If the driver does not comply with the request of the officer to shift the load, the driver is subject to a civil penalty or a criminal penalty.

 

[Waffles]

Just hook it up to a new Jeep Gladiator V6 and let it rip

Orale that's what's up

 

[Bpracing1127]

One thing I notice on the 1/2 ton to 3/4 difference is fuel economy. My 1/2 ton Silverado towing my 22ft toy hauler will keep up with my buddy's 3/4 GMC Duramax towing the same but I'll have to stop for fuel more frequently.

This is a true statement.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Orale that's what's up

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Lol

 

[rvrrun]

Orale that's what's up

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Kill me now.

 

[rvrrun]

When you are a menace to yourself and to all others on the road, you must be stopped. Please go buy an F650 to tow your jet ski.

Ok.

 

[pronstar]

the problem or the incentive depending on how you look at it, is that the fine are not high enough to deter the behavior.

Under California Vehicle Code Section 35551(a) VC, having an overweight vehicle is a criminal offense that can carry significant penalties. According to Vehicle Code § 42030(a), the fines start out small. For up to 1,000 pounds over the weight limit for a single axle, the fine is as low as $20 before fees are added. A fine for a typical overweight truck can range from five hundred ($500) to the thousand dollars. Every person convicted of a violation of any weight limitation provision of Division 15 (commencing with Section 35000), and every person convicted of a violation of Section 21461 with respect to signs provided pursuant to Section 35654 or 35752, and every person convicted of a violation of Section 40001 for requiring the operation of a vehicle upon a highway in violation of any provision referred to in this section shall be punished by a fine. In most cases driving an overweight vehicle is a misdemeanor in California law. Misdemeanor ( summary ) probation up (6) months in county jail; and/or a fine of up to one thousand dollars ($1,000).The exception is if the amount of excess weight is less than four thousand five hundred one pounds (4,501). In this case, VC 35551 is only a California infraction. The penalty for overweight vehicles as an infraction is a fine of two hundred fifty dollars ($250).

Under Arizona Vehicle Code: A person who violates section 28-1099 or 28-1100 is subject to a civil penalty, guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor for a second violation of either of these sections within six months of the preceding judgment or/and guilty of a class 2 misdemeanor for a second conviction for a violation of either of these sections within one year of the preceding conviction pursuant.
If the driver does not comply with the request of the officer to shift the load, the driver is subject to a civil penalty or a criminal penalty.

That’s all for commercial.
There are no similar statues for non-comm.


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[pronstar]

One thing I notice on the 1/2 ton to 3/4 difference is fuel economy. My 1/2 ton Silverado towing my 22ft toy hauler will keep up with my buddy's 3/4 GMC Duramax towing the same but I'll have to stop for fuel more frequently.

That difference is entirely due to gas vs diesel, and has nothing to do with 3/4 vs 1/2 ton.

Haul a load with a 3/4 ton 6.0 gasser and you’ll still get shitty fuel economy [emoji106]


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[riverroyal]

about 2005 everyone had 6.0 F250/350s or V10s. Everyone was towing about 18k pounds. Illegal and we knew it (eventually). Weekend Warrior started tagging their trailers with a false weight in a effort to claim the trucks were fine, buy the trailers!
The CHP knew this also and started pulling people over on the way to desert. THIS, opened up a flood gate of legal issues for trailer builders. Tickets were wrote, owners had no idea they were that far over the limit. They just did the math, trailer, toys supplies. I did it, I was within my 6.0 limit, until I wasnt. My math was in the 14k range, reality was 18k.
Then guys started blowing up the trucks, then the dealers and manufacture started to deny warranty claims. Ford said FU to many. Owners got attorneys and went after the trailer guys. Trailer guys go bankrupt. Pin weights were incorrect, overall was weight was before 'options' like cabinets!

I pulled my current 5th wheel last with a F350 6.7 crew cab long bed, it did great. Trailer is about 14k. No FUCKING way would I hook a F150 to it. Its not worth the risk to me or people around me.
F150s can tow no doubt, they are also soft for a half ton ride dropping kids off at school.
MY max towing with my current 150 would prob be 8000lbs. It will do more, just not with me behind the wheel. Ive logged way to many towing miles to risk it.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

That’s all for commercial.
There are no similar statues for non-comm.


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Commercial license or commercial vehicle? Because any pick-up is titled as a commercial vehicle. Unless you used the loop hole with a shell and what not.

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[mesquito_creek]

That’s all for commercial.
There are no similar statues for non-comm.
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I have read that the DOT can make the case that you are participating in a commerce under all sorts of conditions.

The “CDL” complaints that National Association of Trailer Manufacturers fields typically revolve around the smaller trailers (between 10,000 lbs. and 26,000 lbs. GVWR) and the debate over personal vs. commercial use.

I am super paranoid and choose to stay out of grey areas... So I just always try to operated within the limits of the manufacturer of the vehicle. I assume if a Highway Patrol doesn't like the look of my rig they are educated enough to look at the stamp in my door and have the ability to remove me from the road if they deem me a safety hazard. I weight my junk and carry the yellow paper with me. I don't do it every time, but I do it anytime I alter the basic weight configuration of my set up. Doesn't matter to me what the badging says, I try to just go by the book.

 

[redone76]

That difference is entirely due to gas vs diesel, and has nothing to do with 3/4 vs 1/2 ton.

Haul a load with a 3/4 ton 6.0 gasser and you’ll still get shitty fuel economy [emoji106]


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Makes sense!

 

[pronstar]

I have read that the DOT can make the case that you are participating in a commerce under all sorts of conditions.
.

A non commercial driver lacking a CDL pulling an RV (or private trailer) doesn’t fall under any commercial vehicle code.


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[rivermobster]

When you are a menace to yourself and to all others on the road, you must be stopped. Please go buy an F650 to tow your jet ski.

I really did LOL at that!!!!!!



P.S. I used to to my jet skis with my short bed half ton. I guess I'm a menace too...

 

[rivermobster]

It’s the wood that makes it good!

I just felt like quoting this...not really sure why...

 

[Yellowboat]

A non commercial driver lacking a CDL pulling an RV (or private trailer) doesn’t fall under any commercial vehicle code.


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They were popping drag racers a few years back for having stickers on thier trailers from parts manufacturers. Never did hear what the final verdict was on that, but they can and do stop people with out a cdl towing an rv

 

[spectras only]

I used to tow a yacht with a small SUV, after I saw this ad. It was a Chevy of course, wouldn't even think doing it with my F-150

 

[pronstar]

They were popping drag racers a few years back for having stickers on thier trailers from parts manufacturers. Never did hear what the final verdict was on that, but they can and do stop people with out a cdl towing an rv

There are so many threads here and elsewhere with anecdotal “evidence” of actual weight police citing people.

It’s like Groundhog Day, it’s always the same.

This does not happen.
Show me what vehicle code would be violated.
What is the citation?
What laws are broken?

We’ve seen people put up money for any evidence, it goes unclaimed. And believe me, those blue hairs on RV.net have nothing to do but search for evidence, and it’s not been found because it doesn’t exist.

We’ve seen actual DOT cops reply, insurance agents reply...there’s no law that’s broken. Insurance can’t make up exclusions that aren’t on your policy. They can drop you after, but insurance is called “exclusionary” for a reason. It’s easy to see what your policy excludes.

Literally every court case can be found...every state and federal vehicle code is there for searching.

These are all comm laws that do not apply to non commercial drivers.

“I’ve read about” or “my buddy got a ticket” means nothing without a shred of evidence.

Until we see any proof, it’s all mental mastubation with no hope for a climax.

I’m not condoning negligent behavior.
But let’s get real here...


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[Bigbore500r]

I pulled a big girl out of a bar, was way over weight. Nobody got hurt, just didn't tell anybody.

 

[spectras only]

Years back, when people installed large campers on their trucks, 1/2, 3/4, 1T, without checking weight carrying capacity and equipment on their trucks, the CVSE finally said fuck it.They set up a blitzkrieg on RV's on major highways for long weekends and changed the attitude of many, about going over the safe limits. You guys are more laxed with regulations in your country than we're here in BC. Anyone, with a TT or 5th wheel, needs to take a course to get a endorsement, towing over 10.200lbs, regardless if 1/2 or 3/4 T. Also, if you have airbrakes on your moho, you'll need an endorsement for that too. No need for one on mohos with hydraulic and ABS. In the US, there's many boat trailers manufactured with only single axle brakes on tandem and even triple axles. My buddy's aluminum trailer for his 35' Fountain for instance All tandem axles, regardless of size and weight, requires brakes on both.Brakes are required on all wheels for all trailers or semitrailers with a gross weight over 3,000 pounds; provided. The gross weight of any such trailer without brakes shall not exceed 40% of the gross weight of the towing vehicle.

My 1972 24 Spectra had both axles with brakes on the Vance trailer,so did the 1976 20 Spectra on the Fotografix trailer, yet the 1978 19 Spectra on the Fotografix trailer had none but was grandfathered ,so didn't bother installing one.

 

[rivermobster]

I pulled big girl out of a bar, was way over weight. Nobody got hurt, just didn't tell anybody.

Atta boy...

 

[mash on it]

Commercial license or commercial vehicle?

" Because any pick-up is titled as a commercial vehicle. "


Unless you used the loop hole with a shell and what not.

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California laws.
Arizona is different.

Dan'l

 

[530RL]

I pulled a big girl out of a bar, was way over weight. Nobody got hurt, just didn't tell anybody.

Big girls make a bigger and better omelette in the morning.

 

[JBS]

Big girls make a bigger and better omelette in the morning.

Is Omelette code for something [emoji23]


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[LargeOrangeFont]

I pulled a big girl out of a bar, was way over weight. Nobody got hurt, just didn't tell anybody.

You only hurt yoreself.

 

[Bigbore500r]

You only hurt yoreself.

Hurt so good

 

[LowRiver2]

That difference is entirely due to gas vs diesel, and has nothing to do with 3/4 vs 1/2 ton.

Haul a load with a 3/4 ton 6.0 gasser and you’ll still get shitty fuel economy [emoji106]


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Been driving 6.0 gasser GMC’s since 08 with service bodies
Biggest waste of fuel and dog slow to boot.
Reliable, but that’s about it lol

 

[LowRiver2]

There are so many threads here and elsewhere with anecdotal “evidence” of actual weight police citing people.

It’s like Groundhog Day, it’s always the same.

This does not happen.
Show me what vehicle code would be violated.
What is the citation?
What laws are broken?

We’ve seen people put up money for any evidence, it goes unclaimed. And believe me, those blue hairs on RV.net have nothing to do but search for evidence, and it’s not been found because it doesn’t exist.

We’ve seen actual DOT cops reply, insurance agents reply...there’s no law that’s broken. Insurance can’t make up exclusions that aren’t on your policy. They can drop you after, but insurance is called “exclusionary” for a reason. It’s easy to see what your policy excludes.

Literally every court case can be found...every state and federal vehicle code is there for searching.

These are all comm laws that do not apply to non commercial drivers.

“I’ve read about” or “my buddy got a ticket” means nothing without a shred of evidence.

Until we see any proof, it’s all mental mastubation with no hope for a climax.

I’m not condoning negligent behavior.
But let’s get real here...


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agreed
To be clear, the ONLY reason air brake equipped Pushers aren’t held to a Commercial Operator standard in Ca is from lobbying from AARP
There will be a case one day where a pusher plows into and kills people and the public will cry foul the driver was never tested, let alone knew how to test their brakes

until then, hook up those baby trucks to big haulers and strap those 85 year old bankers behind 40’+ Pushers and mash those throttles.....
Yeeee. Haaaaw!

 

[Loo Dog]

about 2005 everyone had 6.0 F250/350s or V10s. Everyone was towing about 18k pounds. Illegal and we knew it (eventually). Weekend Warrior started tagging their trailers with a false weight in a effort to claim the trucks were fine, buy the trailers!
The CHP knew this also and started pulling people over on the way to desert. THIS, opened up a flood gate of legal issues for trailer builders. Tickets were wrote, owners had no idea they were that far over the limit. They just did the math, trailer, toys supplies. I did it, I was within my 6.0 limit, until I wasnt. My math was in the 14k range, reality was 18k.
Then guys started blowing up the trucks, then the dealers and manufacture started to deny warranty claims. Ford said FU to many. Owners got attorneys and went after the trailer guys. Trailer guys go bankrupt. Pin weights were incorrect, overall was weight was before 'options' like cabinets!

I pulled my current 5th wheel last with a F350 6.7 crew cab long bed, it did great. Trailer is about 14k. No FUCKING way would I hook a F150 to it. Its not worth the risk to me or people around me.
F150s can tow no doubt, they are also soft for a half ton ride dropping kids off at school.
MY max towing with my current 150 would prob be 8000lbs. It will do more, just not with me behind the wheel. Ive logged way to many towing miles to risk it.

Exactly. At that time there were checkpoints everywhere. If you had a triple axle toyhauler you got pulled over into the “fun” lane. Happened to me many times returning to Temecula from Ocotillo. However, they were mainly checking for the new at the time non-commercial Class A endorsement. Since I was active military at the time and had a Washington drivers license it was unenforceable. I produced my license and away I went. This was pulling a WW LE3505 that weighed WAY more than the advertised weight as you stated. The towing police should focus more on the egregious weights RV manufacturers claim their rigs weigh. Dry weight with NO options is a straight up joke. My Weekend Warrior weight sticker didn’t even include the fiberglass walls!

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

Supposedly new trailers are weighed before they leave the factory...

 

[Loo Dog]

I pulled a big girl out of a bar, was way over weight. Nobody got hurt, just didn't tell anybody.

Surprisingly, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Wednesday nights at the El Centro E-Club back in the day was ladies night. We affectionately referred to it as “Pigs in Space”. He who came in the following morning with the biggest piece of women’s undergarment was declared the winner. Many a Huey mysteriously broke down getting fuel at El Centro on a Wednesday night on the way back to Pendleton from the impact ranges. Then again, us jarheads are a unique, twisted breed.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Supposedly new trailers are weighed before they leave the factory...

trailers are usually weighed without tvs, jacks, curtains, generators, spare tire, mattress, tables, awnings, propane, batteries, steps,

that’s the dry weights.

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

My understanding is they are weighing them after they're built and putting that weight on the sticker.
My sticker says 7404.

 

[530RL]

Is Omelette code for something [emoji23]


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Yes,

Half dozen eggs, half a pound of ham, half a pound of cheese and a side of bacon.

Part of it is typically eaten on the way to the bedroom but best breakfast in bed ever.

College was awesome.