Towing Police check this shit out.

[spectras only]

Did you just say that there is no difference when towing in crosswinds if you have a 1/2ton or 1ton?
Your high as fuck.

Of course there's a difference in weight, suspension between a 1/2 t vs f-350. But, those who claim high strength crosswinds won't affect their 1 T, hauling ass over 65-70 are high as fuck, or drinking too much Bud Light

 

[RCDave]

There comes weather conditions where a prudent operator should lay up.....that is just good common sense

 

[Yellowboat]

There comes weather conditions where a prudent operator should lay up.....that is just good common sense

Common sense is not common.

 

[CLdrinker]

Of course there's a difference in weight, suspension between a 1/2 t vs f-350. But, those who claim high strength crosswinds won't affect their 1 T, hauling ass over 65-70 are high as fuck, or drinking too much Bud Light

you clearly said that there was no difference between a 1/2ton and 1ton in crosswinds.
Same wind same trailer 1ton is hugely superior. I never said the bigger truck wouldn’t be affected. You said there was no difference between the 2. Which you are wrong.
my post above is the same trailer 2 different trucks.
I have nothing against 1/2tons they do way more than most suspect possible. But there comes a time where a bigger truck is a good idea regardless of what the manufacturer recommends.
PS don’t believe anyone trying to sell you something.

 

[4Waters]

Common sense is not common.

It's so rare now it's considered a superpower.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

you clearly said that there was no difference between a 1/2ton and 1ton in crosswinds.
Same wind same trailer 1ton is hugely superior. I never said the bigger truck wouldn’t be affected. You said there was no difference between the 2. Which you are wrong.
my post above is the same trailer 2 different trucks.
I have nothing against 1/2tons they do way more than most suspect possible. But there comes a time where a bigger truck is a good idea regardless of what the manufacturer recommends.
PS don’t believe anyone trying to sell you something.

And what if your new half ton weighs as much as a 20 year old 3/4 ton

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

I'll throw my hat in the half ton towing debate.
Pretty sure my truck is a 5/8 ton...
"towing police" can SUCK IT!
Just drove up & down Cajon Pass in the wind this weekend and still here.

 

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I am also playing the game of being maxed out or over loaded. I have a 2017 Ram 3500 mega cab Cummins with the Aisin trans. The truck with a half tank of gas weighed in at 8600 lbs and my 2020 Attitude 35gsg +3 is 41'10" long and weighs 14,100 lbs dry according to the factory sticker. By the time you add 150 gallons of water all your crap and some toys i may be close or over 17,000 lbs. I should have it weighed fully loaded, but i am afraid to know what it really is. According to the factory the GCWR for this truck is 25,300 lbs with a max trailer weight of 16,600 lbs. As far as towing i think this tows 200% better than my 24ft tag trailer ever did. I have been through white water when the wind is blowing and this thing just plows through like a freight train. The cross wind didn't seem to be much of an issue. My buddy behind me towing a 27 ft tag trailer with a F150 lifted on 35's had to drop down to 40MPH just to stay in his lane while i was cruising at 70. View attachment 809044

What's the rating of the wheels on the truck?

 

[CLdrinker]

And what if your new half ton weighs as much as a 20 year old 3/4 ton

My post above is a 2013 vs 2018 now what?

 

[CLdrinker]

I'll throw my hat in the half ton towing debate.
Pretty sure my truck is a 5/8 ton...
"towing police" can SUCK IT!

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Towing police don’t even look at trailers as small as yours.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My post above is a 2013 vs 2018 now what?

You failed math didn’t you?

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

Towing police don’t even look at trailers as small as yours.

31 1/2 feet... Not including the tongue.

Edit: 30 1/2

 

[Bpracing1127]

I'll throw my hat in the half ton towing debate.
Pretty sure my truck is a 5/8 ton...
"towing police" can SUCK IT!
Just drove up & down Cajon Pass in the wind this weekend and still here.

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Which trailer is that?? Nice setup

 

[EBT531]

I'll throw my hat in the half ton towing debate.
Pretty sure my truck is a 5/8 ton...
"towing police" can SUCK IT!
Just drove up & down Cajon Pass in the wind this weekend and still here.

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What do you think the trailer weighs loaded? I was impressed with my Tundra pulling 8k but I'm guessing you are over that and a lot more frontal area for wind vs a boat

 

[riverroyal]

My new f150 with the max tow package will NOT be hooked up to my 5th wheel.
Which i guess im not real bright thinking about it.
My 04 F250 6.0 pulled my weekend warrior loaded at about 18000 pounds. The truck was well under that rating. Numbers would lead my to believe the f150 is a better fit with a new 5th wheel at 14000lbs. Just need air bags!

 

[riverroyal]

If it had a hitch id try it

 

[spectras only]

you clearly said that there was no difference between a 1/2ton and 1ton in crosswinds.
Same wind same trailer 1ton is hugely superior. I never said the bigger truck wouldn’t be affected. You said there was no difference between the 2. Which you are wrong.
my post above is the same trailer 2 different trucks.
I have nothing against 1/2tons they do way more than most suspect possible. But there comes a time where a bigger truck is a good idea regardless of what the manufacturer recommends.
PS don’t believe anyone trying to sell you something.

Sorry I worded wrong. I tow a trailer that's within the limitation. One ton guys like a friend of mine tows a fifth wheel [ 43' ] it is capable of. His 43' has time and a half times larger surface compared to my TT to blow him around. So, what i wanted to say is, if you not careful and drive according to conditions, a one ton can easily be blown over as well.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My new f150 with the max tow package will NOT be hooked up to my 5th wheel.
Which i guess im not real bright thinking about it.
My 04 F250 6.0 pulled my weekend warrior loaded at about 18000 pounds. The truck was well under that rating. Numbers would lead my to believe the f150 is a better fit with a new 5th wheel at 14000lbs. Just need air bags!

I would say air bags for sure if someone was going to do it, and maybe a rear sway bar.

 

[spectras only]

It's a interesting topic about air bags. While I don't inflate my airbags to help my truck to handle the 960lbs of TW while trailering, I do maintain 15 psi [ min 10psi recommended by air bag manufacturer ] in the bags all times. I do notice the truck feels more planted under spirited driving, has less body roll carving around the switch backs. I'd love to swing it around the track to see how it would fare.
my system AMP Pacbrake https://pacbrake.com/product/hp10212-amp-air-spring-kit/
https://pacbrake.com/product-lines/air-spring-kits/

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Food for thought. Ram 1500 4x4 5.7 with 3:55 rear end. Truck was at its limit pulling this trailer. Power and braking was not a problem. If you were a rookie towing trailers I would heavily advise against it.

Ram 2500 4x4 6.4 with 4:10 rear end. Truck can pull the same trailer without issue. I just made the hauled from Apple Valley to Mammoth on Thursday night. Wind was so severe it blew the steps down on the trailer multiple times. I was literally pulling the trailer sideways. I could see the whole passenger side of the trailer in my right side mirror. My left side mirror only showed the front of the trailer. Truck didn’t even flinch. Why? Not because it has more power or torque. It’s because the 2500 is a whole hell of allot heavier.
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I'm betting your particular example has much more to do with the length of the truck versus the weight difference. According to Ram's specs there's only about a 600 lb difference between the 2 trucks (the gas 2500 is just shy of 6300# while that generation 1500 was about 5700ish lbs). The added leverage of the extra wheelbase makes a MUCH larger impact for lateral stability versus a couple hundred pounds when referring to controlling against a lateral force such as a crosswind.

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[pronstar]

I'm betting your particular example has much more to do with the length of the truck versus the weight difference. According to Ram's specs there's only about a 600 lb difference between the 2 trucks (the gas 2500 is just shy of 6300# while that generation 1500 was about 5700ish lbs). The added leverage of the extra wheelbase makes a MUCH larger impact for lateral stability versus a couple hundred pounds when referring to controlling against a lateral force such as a crosswind.

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Speaking of leverage, the distance from the hitch to the rear axle, acts like a giant lever and can really move the truck around...tail wagging the dog.

Compare this to a fiver, where the hitch is directly over the axle.

With my Ram CTD quad cab long bed, my 43’ fiver toy hauler towed WAY better, and was WAY more stable in crosswinds, than my 23’ starter kit tag toy hauler.

A dually gives added stability, but tags are absolute shit in crosswinds.


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[pronstar]

It's a interesting topic about air bags. While I don't inflate my airbags to help my truck to handle the 960lbs of TW while trailering, I do maintain 15 psi [ min 10psi recommended by air bag manufacturer ] in the bags all times. I do notice the truck feels more planted under spirited driving, has less body roll carving around the switch backs. I'd love to swing it around the track to see how it would fare.
my system AMP Pacbrake https://pacbrake.com/product/hp10212-amp-air-spring-kit/
https://pacbrake.com/product-lines/air-spring-kits/

Adding spring rate will do all of that...

When I towed my big fiver, my truck had Deavers so my bags saw 80psi LOL


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[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

Which trailer is that?? Nice setup

Forest River Sandstorm 271SLC

What do you think the trailer weighs loaded? I was impressed with my Tundra pulling 8k but I'm guessing you are over that and a lot more frontal area for wind vs a boat

7400 empty

 

[mesquito_creek]

Imagine if the commercial trucking industry adopted this theory that larger and heavier tractors were more safe. In non commercial towing we are talking about 2.3:1 load to truck ratios (16000/7000)... they would have to triple the size of the tractors on 80K combined loads...

 

[DuttonDave]

That’s why they have trailer brakes.

That helps, although you still need the right truck with the right GVWR.

 

[DuttonDave]

I would at least go with some air bags !!! It mage a bg difference for me

 

[riverroyal]

I had air bags on my F250 for the pile of shit weekend warrior. Its had crazy hitch weight. Made a huge difference.
I just googled that F250. Towing max was 14200. I yanked about 18k to Glamis all the time. With that logic my F150 with a rating of 13500 should pull my new 5th wheel that is 14000 with ease!!!! Seems ok on paper anyways

 

[attitude]

You failed math didn’t you?

Last time I checked 5k vs 8k isn’t close

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Last time I checked 5k vs 8k isn’t close

You failed reading. A 20 year old 3/4 ton weighs about as much as a modern half ton and will tow similarly... period.

It should come as no surprise that a 5 year old 3/4 ton tows better than a 1 year old 1/2 ton.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Ok....new controversial topic
Who feels this is a safe hitch setup

 

[Bigbore500r]

You failed reading. A 20 year old 3/4 ton weighs about as much as a modern half ton and will tow similarly... period.

It should come as no surprise that a 5 year old 3/4 ton tows better than a 1 year old 1/2 ton.

"the good old 3/4 ton's were made of real steel...back when trucks were trucks...i'd never pull a trailer with a 1/2 ton"

 

[NicPaus]

Ok....new controversial topic
Who feels this is a safe hitch setup

Buddy that had to have axles upgraded to 8k runs 1. I saw it in the bed of his truck and it looks like it's made for 4k lbs not 20k.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Buddy that had to have axles upgraded to 8k runs 1. I saw it in the bed of his truck and it looks like it's made for 4k lbs not 20k.

The MFG hangs their hat on a compressive strength test in a press, but does not test them for sheer. Combine that with the fact that they don't hold the SAE J2638 cert that is established for 5th wheel hitches.....scary shit IMHO. All the pics i have seen where they fail are due to sudden stops or low speed impacts that cause the hitch ball to sheer off, or the structure to collapse. Looks like a cheap swing set, or possibly the blair witch project. I'd trust neither with a heavy 5er.

 

[attitude]

You failed reading. A 20 year old 3/4 ton weighs about as much as a modern half ton and will tow similarly... period.

It should come as no surprise that a 5 year old 3/4 ton tows better than a 1 year old 1/2 ton.

My buddies 99 f350(I know not a 3/4ton) weighed weigh just under 8k and my buddies 02 2500 dmax weigh 7k on the scale. Wasn’t it said that a new eco boost f150 weighs 4,800? Idk about your math but those numbers are pretty far off.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Forest River Sandstorm 271SLC


7400 empty

My 25 is 6400 empty. Fully loaded with the rzr, firewood ect I’m pushing 11k. I have airbags

 

[240Hallett]

Ok....new controversial topic
Who feels this is a safe hitch setup

It appears to have a lanyard… So it must be legit.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My buddies 99 f350(I know not a 3/4ton) weighed weigh just under 8k and my buddies 02 2500 dmax weigh 7k on the scale. Wasn’t it said that a new eco boost f150 weighs 4,800? Idk about your math but those numbers are pretty far off.

You are quoting the lowish end of an F150 that can tow the higher numbers. and the higher end of a 2500 HD.

A Dmax is significantly heavier than a gasser. While the Dmax is great for towing, the extra weight isn’t any kind of advantage. The newest F150s are lighter because of the all aluminum construction.

Again, the components on a new 1/2 ton are pretty much all more robust than 15-20 year old 3/4 ton trucks.

 

[RiverDave]

Fixing your chevroLEG

No I spent a lot of money this summer on things that haven’t materialized yet. Plus a shit ton of toys. Lol. And Stacy’s chebby as well

 

[attitude]

You are quoting the lowish end of an F150 that can tow the higher numbers. and the higher end of a 2500 HD.

A Dmax is significantly heavier than a gasser. While the Dmax is great for towing, the extra weight isn’t any kind of advantage. The newest F150s are lighter because of the all aluminum construction.

Again, the components on a new 1/2 ton are pretty much all more robust than 15-20 year old 3/4 ton trucks.

Who buys HD gassers lol, that like buying a 27-28 cat with a 496/502

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Who buys HD gassers lol, that like buying a 27-28 cat with a 496/502

People with wallets thicker than their dicks.

See the living within your means thread

 

[attitude]

People with wallets thicker than their dicks.

See the living within your means thread

And that’s why I drive a 1500

But you won’t catch me hooking up to a 5th wheel bragging about how I will drag it up Cajon Pass in 30 mph winds passing 15-20 year old HDs lol

 

[NicPaus]

Who buys HD gassers lol, that like buying a 27-28 cat with a 496/502

I have 1. Gets better MPG round trip to Parker than another member here 6.7 Ford diesel. I have 2 diesels already so a third was not worth it. The gasser is rated for 14,500 lbs and no issues with the chp or weight police on dump runs. The diesels are work bodies and get flagged into the checkpoints leaving the dump.

 

[spectras only]

"the good old 3/4 ton's were made of real steel...back when trucks were trucks...i'd never pull a trailer with a 1/2 ton"

Aren't the new 1/2 trucks run with steel frames?

 

[spectras only]

My buddies 99 f350(I know not a 3/4ton) weighed weigh just under 8k and my buddies 02 2500 dmax weigh 7k on the scale. Wasn’t it said that a new eco boost f150 weighs 4,800? Idk about your math but those numbers are pretty far off.

4800? Maybe a regular cab XLT 2WD . The F-150 supercrew 4x4 curbweight is 5697 .
The curb weight of a 2019 F-150 ranges between 4,069 and 5,697 pounds depending upon cab size, engine size, and bed size.

 

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I tow F550 with F250. 65-70 mph. Probably 20k gcwr.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I tow F550 with F250. 65-70 mph. Probably 20k gcwr.
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Unpossible.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

And that’s why I drive a 1500

But you won’t catch me hooking up to a 5th wheel bragging about how I will drag it up Cajon Pass in 30 mph winds passing 15-20 year old HDs lol

Keep saving for that diesel!

 

[attitude]

4800? Maybe a regular cab XLT 2WD . The F-150 supercrew 4x4 curbweight is 5697 .
The curb weight of a 2019 F-150 ranges between 4,069 and 5,697 pounds depending upon cab size, engine size, and bed size.

I could of sworn that someone claimed their f150 weighed that in this thread, it makes sense considering my Ram (1500 4 door quad cab 6.5 bed) weighed in at a hair over 5k and it doesnt have an aluminum body like the Fords

 

[Bpracing1127]

I could of sworn that someone claimed their f150 weighed that in this thread, it makes sense considering my Ram (1500 4 door quad cab 6.5 bed) weighed in at a hair over 5k and it doesnt have an aluminum body like the Fords

My 2013 F150 ecoboost crew cab 4x4 weighs 5600 lbs

A 05 f250 diesel 4x4 crew cabs weighs in about 7300 lbs

1700 lbs difference

 

[4Waters]

Aren't the new 1/2 trucks run with steel frames?

Chinese steel, not American steel.