The Outboard Church

[holley2345]

 

[Luv2gofast]

So I hope I don't start a shit storm here and turn this into an in/out thread but I want to do this right and I think there is lots of experience here. I have many years in mod-vp singles but now have the 23 Cougar with twins. I did a search for in vs. out rotation and found this thread that RD started a few years ago https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/props-in-props-out-ntb.93950/page-2 Rather than revive it I would like to ask, should I be running in or out to learn to properly drive my new boat? I'm not interested in getting the last MPH out of it...right now. Plenty for time for that later. Just to make sure I have the terms correct, in is with the right rotation on the starboard? Mine is set up with the left on the starboard and the question came up because when I hooked up my DDT the engines were named wrong...star on the port and port on the star?

 

[KingofBeers]

So I hope I don't start a shit storm here and turn this into an in/out thread but I want to do this right and I think there is lots of experience here. I have many years in mod-vp singles but now have the 23 Cougar with twins. I did a search for in vs. out rotation and found this thread that RD started a few years ago https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/props-in-props-out-ntb.93950/page-2 Rather than revive it I would like to ask, should I be running in or out to learn to properly drive my new boat? I'm not interested in getting the last MPH out of it...right now. Plenty for time for that later. Just to make sure I have the terms correct, in is with the right rotation on the starboard? Mine is set up with the left on the starboard and the question came up because when I hooked up my DDT the engines were named wrong...star on the port and port on the star?

Right rotation on port, left on starboard would be spinning in.

https://www.mercuryracing.com/prop-school-part-5-blade-efficiency/

Thats all I got...Im a single screw guy for now. Looking forward to watching you get to know the new sled!

 

[KingofBeers]

Ridiculously good time on the Delta this weekend. Overnighter to Sacramento didnt suck....Monday sucked.

 

[War Canoe]

Monday Muffins...

 

[KingofBeers]

Forgot I got a picture of this vintage twin while anchored at the American and Sacramento river confluence.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

I'm no expert, this is my 1st twin that we've had almost 3 years. They were spinning in when we bought it. Boat was bow light & flighty in rougher water. Changed to spinning out & bow is much more planted & easier around the docks. Supposedly lose a lil mph on top end but I don't care. 308 Skater that weighs 5000lbs for comparison
Best of luck, sweet new Cougar for you.

 

[Bullhead bully]

I'm no expert, this is my 1st twin that we've had almost 3 years. They were spinning in when we bought it. Boat was bow light & flighty in rougher water. Changed to spinning out & bow is much more planted & easier around the docks. Supposedly lose a lil mph on top end but I don't care. 308 Skater that weighs 5000lbs for comparison
Best of luck, sweet new Cougar for you.

I agree with you Rob on 30’+ boats. On the smaller boats spinning in is generally more planted in the tail and a less loose transom .

Best bet is trying both options and see which makes the boat the happiest.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Agree with both above...add to that, differences between true tunnels and center pods. It is a trial and feel situation for every hull.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Sadly the wind Gods are not going allow a run to SF Bay this Friday with Bully. It's just not worth beating on the equipment thru 4-6' wind chop. We will tour several area's of the Delta that the Big Cat doesn't see over its 120 miles.

 

[Luv2gofast]

Thanks guys! I guess I'll leave it out for now until I get enough time in it to be able to tell the difference then change it to in.

 

[Luv2gofast]

Forgot I got a picture of this vintage twin while anchored at the American and Sacramento river confluence. View attachment 783743

That's cool!

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Sadly the wind Gods are not going allow a run to SF Bay this Friday with Bully. It's just not worth beating on the equipment thru 4-6' wind chop. We will tour several area's of the Delta that the Big Cat doesn't see over its 120 miles.

Sad, wanted to hear how this hull ran in some larger water. Oh well, I'm sure Bully will have plenty of times for it in the future.

 

[War Canoe]

Sad, wanted to hear how this hull ran in some larger water. Oh well, I'm sure Bully will have plenty of times for it in the future.

Didn’t drive it, but I did ride in the 35’ Nordic in some snotty conditions...it is a smasher.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

All you have to do is look at the design and see that she was built to run through some big water.

 

[Blow It Up]

Garage decor starts!

 

[lake p.a.l.]

We may still sneak out to Bay Fri morning weather permitting. I absofrickunlutely LOVE the idea or trying & turning around if necessary. Hell I'm not too proud to tuck in behind a 35' smasher Nordic for a lil bit!!!

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Rev, u coming down?

 

[lake p.a.l.]

There is a perfect wash down station @ B&W so I will launch there Fri morning. Not sure what time we would return home to Benicia on Sunday so launching in fresh water makes a ton of sense for us.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Checked NOAA forecast for Friday morning & theres a chance we could possibly make a Golden Gate run & get back to Pittsburg & the Delta before it gets bad out there, hopefully. I really want to see the 35' Nordic under the Gate & how that big girl does in some real water. Fingers crossed

 

[Luv2gofast]

Right rotation on port, left on starboard would be spinning in.

https://www.mercuryracing.com/prop-school-part-5-blade-efficiency/

Thats all I got...Im a single screw guy for now. Looking forward to watching you get to know the new sled!

Thanks for this. I'm having a problem keeping this straight because it seems that with the bottom half of the prop doing all the work spinning in should be right rotation on starboard but I guess I'm just over thinking and need to accept the teminology is based on the top of the props turning in or out.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

The way I was taught about prop rotation: look at the top of the prop when installed on propshaft, find 12 o'clock like it's an actual clock, which way is the top blade facing? That tells you if its spinning out or in. That analogy worked for me, but I'm pretty stooooopid most of the time.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Looking at motors from behind the boat...the prop is either turning towards the outside(spinning out) or turning to the inside(spinning in) of the hull.

 

[blue wonder]

Thanks guys! I guess I'll leave it out for now until I get enough time in it to be able to tell the difference then change it to in.

I think your backwards here, they spin inwards on your boat

 

[HydroSkreamin]

The StressEliminator is operational! Thought I’d add some pics of my northern WI (Minocqua) vacation.

For those of you that haven’t followed my build thread, this has been a 5-year project with lots of turns. It’s been great getting it back to the water on the boat’s exact 32nd birthday.

Sunrise today. 56°F. Gorgeous morning.

It’s HeadlessHula’s birthday, and he brought HulaToo as well as Poptart.

Here’s where I’ve been today. You can see where my wife and I watched the sunrise.

Church is in session, northern chapter...

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Ooooooo hell ya! What are specs on your badass Stress Eliminator?

 

[Luv2gofast]

I think your backwards here, they spin inwards on your boat

Yes I have it straight now that I realize the direction refers to the top of the props not the bottom.

 

[RichL]

The StressEliminator is operational! Thought I’d add some pics of my northern WI (Minocqua) vacation.

For those of you that haven’t followed my build thread, this has been a 5-year project with lots of turns. It’s been great getting it back to the water on the boat’s exact 32nd birthday.

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Sunrise today. 56°F. Gorgeous morning.

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It’s HeadlessHula’s birthday, and he brought HulaToo as well as Poptart.

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Here’s where I’ve been today. You can see where my wife and I watched the sunrise.

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Church is in session, northern chapter...

Looks like a case of morning dew in pic 3.

 

[blue wonder]

Yes I have it straight now that I realize the direction refers to the top of the props not the bottom.

Lol, it does get confusing...hope your enjoying it

 

[HydroSkreamin]

Ooooooo hell ya! What are specs on your badass Stress Eliminator?

1987 23 Daytona, Shawano, WI built boat that I found online in TX, knowing it had a bad transom. Ended up tearing out stringers and core, adding internal bracing every 2’, blueprinting bottom, fresh interior, etc.

Notched the center pod 6”x62”.

400R painted Mercury Racing Blue with graphics from a black engine. Jackplate is a Stainless Marine Gorilla Jack with 4-1/2” setback.

Haven’t weighed boat fully rigged, but expecting around 2800 lbs.

If you’re up for a novel, check out the build thread:

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/project-stresseliminator-restomod-23-daytona.155360/

 

[War Canoe]

Oroville today...

 

[War Canoe]

Rev, u coming down?

Tryin’ to make it work.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

1987 23 Daytona, Shawano, WI built boat that I found online in TX, knowing it had a bad transom. Ended up tearing out stringers and core, adding internal bracing every 2’, blueprinting bottom, fresh interior, etc.

Notched the center pod 6”x62”.

400R painted Mercury Racing Blue with graphics from a black engine. Jackplate is a Stainless Marine Gorilla Jack with 4-1/2” setback.

Haven’t weighed boat fully rigged, but expecting around 2800 lbs.

If you’re up for a novel, check out the build thread:

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/project-stresseliminator-restomod-23-daytona.155360/

Very impressive, hows she run?

 

[Headless hula]

Calm before the storm.

 

[HydroSkreamin]

The wind was gusting 30 mph so we didn’t feel like hanging at the normal sandbar in whitecaps, so we found a protected cove and commenced hanging out.

It was Hula’s birthday, so we took the boats to town and had dinner at the Minocqua Brewing Company. The whitecaps didn’t seem to bother us...

The waitress insisted on singing Happy Birthday, so Hula joined in his own birthday song, all the while representing RDP.

Coming home from supper.

We then took everyone to the go kart track and commenced to having a ball. HeadlessHula’s stomach still hurts today from laughing so hard.

I really don’t know how we’re going to top yesterday, but we’re sure going to try!

 

[HydroSkreamin]

Very impressive, hows she run?

I took a guess on engine travel when I installed the jackplate, putting the propshaft even with the sponsons at mid travel, giving me 2-1/2” above outer sponsons, but I really don’t have any center pod in directly in front of gear case at speed. I haven’t put a camera on it yet but it sure feels like I need to go up, I’m not on top with the case yet, and the worst thing you can do with a Sporty is run it at 0”, because it can’t decide if it wants to be above or below and that’s what you get for a ride.

It stays on plane at 21 mph with 60+ gallons of fuel, 4 adults and 2 coolers. Rides good at 60, so that’s how we’ve been using it for vacation. I’ll do some dialing next week in my home waters.

 

[War Canoe]

Bully at the Bridge. Photo compliments of the Church drone.

 

[NWFreerider]

Really curious to hear how this handles water compared to the 32 DW.

 

[HydroSkreamin]

HeadlessHula had me cruise past for a picture on our way to the sandbar. Cruising about 45-50 here.

Floating at the sandbar.

The picture we’ve been working towards...felt pretty good to see these two tied up together, not gonna lie.

Leaving the sandbar to head to a bar on the water within sight of our cabin. My friend Roger that taught me fiberglass, helped with the transom, bottom, and installing bracing flew his Cherokee up with his wife and met us for supper. He’s had a keen eye on how this performs because the notched pod was his idea.

After supper Roger did a flyby so I went for a solo ride to the middle of the lake. Shot these seconds before he flew over. I’m hoping that maybe his wife got a picture of me floating in the last minutes of light.

Putting her to bed for the last night of vacation. Gotta be rolling out by 9 AM.

I love the light morning fog.

I think we’ll be back 6-8 weeks to see the colors. It can be hard to get weather to cooperate but we’ll see what we can do.

 

[Bullhead bully]

OK in case you’re completely new here all of you know I’m a big fan of Nordic. No doubt. However I am a boat whore. So whatever gets my adrenaline pumping that’s the direction I’m going to go as long as it’s an outboard.

I was lucky enough to be driving Nordic‘s 35SS with 400s.( I’m still waiting on my 450s. ) So they gave me their boat to drive.

So here is my 100% honest opinion.

We ran to the Golden Gate bridge.
We ran the big cat poker run today. We laid down 350 miles in two days.

When we got done I blasted off back to SoCal. My adrenaline is still racing. This boat is so much fun!! Seriously! I’m not on anyone’s payroll , Boating is my passion but to have a cat that turns more like a V leaning in all the time especially in high speed turns of the Delta! That’s crazy, I was pretty much blown away in the first 20 minutes yesterday morning as we made our way out of Discovery Bay towards the Golden Gate bridge. The S turns is what it’s looking for. Something you would expect out of a 20 foot boat. NOT A 35 FOOT CAT ! WTF !
It welcomes the big chop. We proved that yesterday as we entered San Francisco Bay. It’s always a mishmash of water out there you never know which way it’s going to come. And then you get the ferry boat which lays down a seriously large roller.

Best of all the nasty hop that all the high speed ture tunnels have isn’t there. ( Believe me I am very familiar with the nasty tunnel slapping hop that happens around 50 mph. You can’t run them there. You have to get through that and go to 80. But sometimes you can’t run 80! You want to run 50 because the water is just so nasty or traffic doesn’t allow you to go faster safely. This boat doesn’t have the tunnel slap (because of the very deep tunnel).
We were running 4 to 5 big guys and 100 to 200 gallons of fuel all weekend.
Speeds. Depending on conditions we ran 90 most of the time. Occasionally jumping into the 100 to 105 mph area. I propped way down in pitch because I knew we were going to be heavy and in and out of a lot of corners.

Today when we left Pittsburgh and ran to Stockton traffic was light and we Rolled !!! It was happy and so incredibly fun to drive.

What an incredible machine! It definitely exceeded my expectations and after putting almost 10 hours on this boat I’m a believer.

Now I’m just ready for mine to get completed. It’s so close just waiting on power.

Hopefully it’s ready for Antelope point in September.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

You can never discount real-world testing. The package sounds like Nordic nailed it.

 

[Tommy Gun Images]

View attachment 785325 Bully at the Bridge. Photo compliments of the Church drone.

Or maybe the Tommy Gun drone [emoji6]


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[AZMIDLYF]

Church member drone.

 

[SLT Kota]

I think that just means that Rev has officially made Tommy a member of the congregation.

 

[Bullhead bully]

You can never discount real-world testing. The package sounds like Nordic nailed it.

She’s a fucking crusher! And active enough to be fun to drive. Definitely not boring!

 

[AZMIDLYF]

That response is going to take a big step up now with your 450 combo.

 

[Tommy Gun Images]

I think that just means that Rev has officially made Tommy a member of the congregation.

Much appreciated lol


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[War Canoe]

Or maybe the Tommy Gun drone [emoji6]


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Technically, Tommy, you are the Church photographer....it’s not like following the Beatles, but it does speak volumes for your taste in material....The Church served up a ride that I’m confident you will remember, AND you recorded it all with your super trick gear!
I thought Bully was using his drone, but either way, it was still a Church drone.
Tommy has been at many Church events, and we appreciate his talent and skill. Let’s get Tommy his official Church shirt.

 

[Tommy Gun Images]

Technically, Tommy, you are the Church photographer....it’s not like following the Beatles, but it does speak volumes for your taste in material....The Church served up a ride that I’m confident you will remember, AND you recorded it all with your super trick gear!
I thought Bully was using his drone, but either way, it was still a Church drone.
Tommy has been at many Church events, and we appreciate his talent and skill. Let’s get Tommy his official Church shirt.

Proud to be an honorary inductee! Paul definitely opened my eyes to a new level of boating! The Church and it’s devout congregation do it right for sure.


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[Headless hula]

Midwest chapter decided to trailer over to charlevoix Michigan. Made a run down to Elk Rapids this morning.

Poptart says hi.