The Outboard Church

[ONE-A-DAY]

What are the details of the deal on June 22?

 

[KingofBeers]

What are the details of the deal on June 22?

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/havasu-outboard-church-regatta.196721/

Sounds like show up with an outboard boat full of gas and be prepared to have a good time.

 

[War Canoe]

War Canoe in the shadows?

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Yes, I’m in the War Canoe and ready to do battle with the GN 77 of Bob Teague and past winner, Ben Marrone...
When it was all over, The War Canoe won class 5 in 2010 and placed 4th overall...

In 2011, we won class 6...

And in 2012 we added Tony Scarlata to the driver line up, and we won the “King of the River” title by winning the overall.

Our boat was a $1700.00 Hull we rescued and resurrected in our garage. The engine was a bone stock 300 XS Mercury.
We were told we were going to get slaughtered....
Careful who you pull a knife on.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/havasu-outboard-church-regatta.196721/

Sounds like show up with an outboard boat full of gas and be prepared to have a good time.

Sounds easy enough

 

[Adam McKeon]

Adam,
You are officially granted membership in the Outboard Church....We hope you enjoy our enthusiasm for Outboards as we know you are a true enthusiast....
Don’t forget our first Regatta in Havasu on June 22...Fly in and we will take care of you “Church Style”
No need to drag your fiberglass across the country, Bully and I will let you ride with us.
Scott

Looked at flights today. Very good chance I’ll make it out. Seems easy enough....

 

[KAP]

The DBR mods I typically do are:
ECU flash
Lightweight flywheel
Tuner
7lb cf Cowl
I would say the combination of weight savings and the ability to overturn the motor up to 6500+rpm are paramount in getting up to the marks I have hit. Basically allowing me roughly 4-6 additional mph if memory serves me correct.

Further- I recently added the DBR ecu , flywheel and a cf cowl on one of these new 2018 22 Talons / 300XS
( which are well built however grossly overweight by 400+lbs ) , it took it from a best of 93mph to 96mph. Same prop, load etc. The bottom end was extremely noticeable getting the lead sled on plane.

If your happy with how your opti runs I’de say leave it be, but if your like me and wish to wake it up and squeeze every last mph out of the boat then I say definitely go for it.
If you have any other questions feel free to get in touch. Im an open book and happy to share my experience.

Note:
Well truth is while looking for the best single engine outboard. I came across Adam's Argo and his Twister who along with some friends of mine from Malta, Croatia and Sweden said this is the hull to have. I figured a new single would be perfect so I decided to pick one up and make it into a reality. Adam was a big reason I went this route because in our conversation he told me it will haul the mail with 4 guys no problem and handle rough water.

I will write up an article once I am done with the boat. It has been a seriously long project and the build quality sucks coming from Finland. I literally had to redo everything and it came caveman bare bones. The sides were wavy mold work and gel coat were atrocious. To say it's a race boat and that's the way it comes is a joke and bullshit I know it took a lot of hours to make this hull right.

In the end it has gone from a rock to a gem and I am pleased thus far with the boat. This is a true 4 seat pleasure boat with stereo, glove box and all the comforts of a pleasure boat...versus a bare hull with seat and motor.

I just got back from Tickfaw 200 and had very little time to test or get the interior done and final touches.

 

[Bullhead bully]

 

[War Canoe]

Important News!!

We were trying to have an Outboard Church Regatta....
After being informed we need Permits and insurance policies amongst other legal exercises, we have to squash all formalities of getting together...
We never imagined the complexity of just trying to get together with like minded friends would prove to be so difficult. We are going boating, like always, but we can’t and won’t be running an organized event of any type ....
Too much liability, too much headache.

I’m having lunch probably at Route 66 on the 22nd. Then enjoying a nearby cove.

Sorry to cancel the “1st Regatta “ but I think you understand.

War Canoe and Bully

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Important News!!

We were trying to have an Outboard Church Regatta....
After being informed we need Permits and insurance policies amongst other legal exercises, we have to squash all formalities of getting together...
We never imagined the complexity of just trying to get together with like minded friends would prove to be so difficult. We are going boating, like always, but we can’t and won’t be running an organized event of any type ....
Too much liability, too much headache.

I’m having lunch probably at Route 66 on the 22nd. Then enjoying a nearby cove.

Sorry to cancel the “1st Regatta “ but I think you understand.

War Canoe and Bully

Sad world we live in. Are we allowed to meet friends on the lake & all go somewhere for lunch? Or is that against the law too??

 

[Flatsix66]

Ragatta sounds so "Pussyfest" anyway, save that for the truck motor crowd. Flipping the bird at the authority and just getting together to run the river make this group much cooler!

 

[KingofBeers]

Important News!!

We were trying to have an Outboard Church Regatta....
After being informed we need Permits and insurance policies amongst other legal exercises, we have to squash all formalities of getting together...
We never imagined the complexity of just trying to get together with like minded friends would prove to be so difficult. We are going boating, like always, but we can’t and won’t be running an organized event of any type ....
Too much liability, too much headache.

I’m having lunch probably at Route 66 on the 22nd. Then enjoying a nearby cove.

Sorry to cancel the “1st Regatta “ but I think you understand.

War Canoe and Bully

I would have expected this type of nonsense in CA, but not AZ. Oh well, maybe i'll meet you for lunch.

 

[Bullhead bully]

Lunch is good. I plan on eating that day. Not a fasting day. LOL

 

[KingofBeers]

Going to try out a different camera location to try and really get a good view of the lower in the water. I think getting a good look while underway can provide some good info.

 

[Headless hula]

Going to try out a different camera location to try and really get a good view of the lower in the water. I think getting a good look while underway can provide some good info. View attachment 752081 View attachment 752082

What are you using to mount it? Adhesive, suction cup???

 

[KingofBeers]

What are you using to mount it? Adhesive, suction cup???

Its a suction cup. Also has a small lanyard attached to the transom U-bolt just in case it comes off. Ive had it on the back at over 100 and it stays put. Where it is now will be out of the direct wind.

 

[Todd Mohr]

Route 66 makes a killer BLT, I had already made plans to be in Havasu that weekend......

 

[War Canoe]

Testing tomorrow!!
300r 21’ Liberator
300x DBR 21’ Cougar
300xs stock 21’ Cougar

28-35 pitch 3/4/5 blades
Should be fun ...
1000’ and 1320’ tests....plus top end.

 

[War Canoe]

300xs 21’ Cougar....

 

[lake p.a.l.]

What are the differences between the Argo & Twister? I don't know anything about either, other than they both look amazing. I would LOVE to learn about both.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

View attachment 752138 View attachment 752138 Testing tomorrow!!
300r 21’ Liberator
300x DBR 21’ Cougar
300xs stock 21’ Cougar

28-35 pitch 3/4/5 blades
Should be fun ...
1000’ and 1320’ tests....plus top end.

I know you will do a pre run to check for debris. Be careful out there, have fun.

 

[Headless hula]

What are the differences between the Argo & Twister? I don't know anything about either, other than they both look amazing. I would LOVE to learn about both.

Maybe the church can have a "Sunday school" session and teach us all. I know I love reading this thread!

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Maybe the church can have a "Sunday school" session and teach us all. I know I love reading this thread!

I fully agree. The idea of a true tunnel 21-24' single OB that can get thru some sloppy water is very intriguing. Running the single 300 on F14's 24' Skater was great but completely under powered, especially with 4 people. I'm guessing these Argo & Twister are much lighter, very curious to learn more.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

What are the differences between the Argo & Twister? I don't know anything about either, other than they both look amazing. I would LOVE to learn about both.

First off, the Argo is 23 ft and the Twister is 24 ft. Adam can probably give specifics on weight and tunnel width differences. The widebody Twister is way more boat than only the 1 ft seems.

First two are the Argo, last is the widebody Twister.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

First off, the Argo is 23 ft and the Twister is 24 ft. Adam can probably give specifics on weight and tunnel width differences. The widebody Twister is way more boat than only the 1 ft seems.

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First two are the Argo, last is the widebody Twister.

Thanks for your input. Seems like a Twister with a 15" mid 300R would be superb. I really like the idea of having the ability to haul 4 people when needed.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

The back shot of the Argo reminds me of an F1 boat. The twister is huge. Does anyone know beam width and weight numbers?

 

[AZMIDLYF]

840 lbs and 8 ft beam are what I have seen.

 

[attitude]

Important News!!

We were trying to have an Outboard Church Regatta....
After being informed we need Permits and insurance policies amongst other legal exercises, we have to squash all formalities of getting together...
We never imagined the complexity of just trying to get together with like minded friends would prove to be so difficult. We are going boating, like always, but we can’t and won’t be running an organized event of any type ....
Too much liability, too much headache.

I’m having lunch probably at Route 66 on the 22nd. Then enjoying a nearby cove.

Sorry to cancel the “1st Regatta “ but I think you understand.

War Canoe and Bully

That’s a bummer, my dad and I were really looking forward to running his new boat. My GF and I even got my mom to agree to stay home that weekend so she could watch our new born so we could take a little break lol. If there is going to be an “informal” meet up please do a post about it.

 

[76 Southwind]

That’s a bummer, my dad and I were really looking forward to running his new boat. My GF and I even got my mom to agree to stay home that weekend so she could watch our new born so we could take a little break lol. If there is going to be an “informal” meet up please do a post about it.

I don't know the Bully on a personal level. But my bet would be he will be there !!!! Just don't be late or he could be gone. Like a hundred miles gone...

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Ran with the man, the legend, this morning up to Topock for breakfast. Well to clarify, I ran between 80 and 90, Bully disappeared over the horizon

Thanks Paul, great intel on the boat today.

 

[n2otoofast4u]

Ran with the man, the legend, this morning up to Topock for breakfast. Well to clarify, I ran between 80 and 90, Bully disappeared over the horizon

Thanks Paul, great intel on the boat today.

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You ran the 22?

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

You ran the 22?

yup, maiden voyage, blast to drive, real drivers boat, lots going on, I like it that way, it lets you know you are going fast.

 

[RCDave]

Bad ass OAD!

 

[Ragged Edge]

That’s a bummer, my dad and I were really looking forward to running his new boat. My GF and I even got my mom to agree to stay home that weekend so she could watch our new born so we could take a little break lol. If there is going to be an “informal” meet up please do a post about it.

It's now an "Unofficial" meet up.

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/for...et-up-jun-22nd-roll-call.199725/#post-3326552

 

[Blow It Up]

It's a Luncheon ! Should be some great food.

 

[War Canoe]

Today at the afterbay....

 

[KingofBeers]

yup...that engine is up.

 

[KingofBeers]

yup...that engine is up. View attachment 752743

Im still soaking in and processing all the years of experience and knowledge I was subjected to in the last couple days. Wild Bill and War Canoe are on another level.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Next Saturday: day trip to Sacramento for lunch, hope Rev can join us

 

[Adam McKeon]

I fully agree. The idea of a true tunnel 21-24' single OB that can get thru some sloppy water is very intriguing. Running the single 300 on F14's 24' Skater was great but completely under powered, especially with 4 people. I'm guessing these Argo & Twister are much lighter, very curious to learn more.

You hit the nail on the head. It was the whole reason I searched them out.
The visceral experience of something lightweight and fast like an STV or Mirage but with the ability to stay on the river and not get put on the trailer when it gets snotty is what I wanted. Ive had bigger twin engine cats and plenty of smaller boats. The “original” 1991 22 Talon I had was fast for what it was at 107-110 and superb at just about everything but lacked big water ability having the center pod. It was so good it was boring ( for me ). That all changes with an 850lb hull that has a tunnel the size of a 32 DW ! Some have argued “the gear case must get beat up” but truth be told, I have never broke a gear case on one of these rigs and my average day out is 200+ miles! I like to run hard for long distances- averaging 95-100mph the entire time which with a 36” prop is about 4500-4800rpm ( with 300xs).

I see a strong resurgence in outboard powered performance boats and it puts a big smile on my face.
Seriously- 130mph 30+ ft outboard powered rockets!! Love it


“ If everything seems under control, your just not going fast enough “ Mario Andretti

 

[milkmoney]

Next Saturday: day trip to Sacramento for lunch, hope Rev can join us

I want to go....

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

 

[War Canoe]

You hit the nail on the head. It was the whole reason I searched them out.
The visceral experience of something lightweight and fast like an STV or Mirage but with the ability to stay on the river and not get put on the trailer when it gets snotty is what I wanted. Ive had bigger twin engine cats and plenty of smaller boats. The “original” 1991 22 Talon I had was fast for what it was at 107-110 and superb at just about everything but lacked big water ability having the center pod. It was so good it was boring ( for me ). That all changes with an 850lb hull that has a tunnel the size of a 32 DW ! Some have argued “the gear case must get beat up” but truth be told, I have never broke a gear case on one of these rigs and my average day out is 200+ miles! I like to run hard for long distances- averaging 95-100mph the entire time which with a 36” prop is about 4500-4800rpm ( with 300xs).

I see a strong resurgence in outboard powered performance boats and it puts a big smile on my face.
Seriously- 130mph 30+ ft outboard powered rockets!! Love it


“ If everything seems under control, your just not going fast enough “ Mario Andretti

I can only imagine how fast that Argo would go with my DBR on the back....I would expect a solid 10 mph better, maybe more....that would equate to 136 + mph.
I would volunteer my engine for such an opportunity.....Rev

 

[Bullhead bully]

It's now an "Unofficial" meet up.

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/for...et-up-jun-22nd-roll-call.199725/#post-3326552

The Church will be in session!
June 20-23
Thursday Friday Saturday and Sunday! We are going to be charging all up and down everywhere for days!

Maybe even throw a lake Mohave day into the mix possibly. That would be great for Friday

We are officially having lunch !

And officially have a great set of LOOONNNNNGGGGG MILE boating days !

 

[Bullhead bully]

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I can only imagine how fast that Argo would go with my DBR on the back....I would expect a solid 10 mph better, maybe more....that would equate to 136 + mph.
I would volunteer my engine for such an opportunity.....Rev

Time to get an airplane and your pilot license ! I can help you spend your money. I got your back

 

[War Canoe]

I can’t wait to work with the big V8 again....Wild Bill and I have more testing to do. On a mission to get this thing off the line and in the power sooner. Mercury should pay us for this R&D !! Fortunately for them, we are speed junkies that will find out what works. We want to find a prop that is less than a grand that works better than a $5600 Mercury cleaver. We think we will find such a prop.
Big thanks to Alex for trusting the Rev and Wild Bill behind the wheel of the 21’ Liberator...being a connoisseur of fine tunnels, it was a rewarding drive in the V8.
My 21’ Cougar looks like a peanut next to the Liberator....lol !!

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Tomorrow we will run the 21 Lib thru many miles of the Delta

 

[KingofBeers]

I can’t wait to work with the big V8 again....Wild Bill and I have more testing to do. On a mission to get this thing off the line and in the power sooner. Mercury should pay us for this R&D !! Fortunately for them, we are speed junkies that will find out what works. We want to find a prop that is less than a grand that works better than a $5600 Mercury cleaver. We think we will find such a prop.
Big thanks to Alex for trusting the Rev and Wild Bill behind the wheel of the 21’ Liberator...being a connoisseur of fine tunnels, it was a rewarding drive in the V8.
My 21’ Cougar looks like a peanut next to the Liberator....lol !!
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Before I bought this boat I knew who I was going to look to for setup

I can’t wait to work with the big V8 again....Wild Bill and I have more testing to do. On a mission to get this thing off the line and in the power sooner. Mercury should pay us for this R&D !! Fortunately for them, we are speed junkies that will find out what works. We want to find a prop that is less than a grand that works better than a $5600 Mercury cleaver. We think we will find such a prop.
Big thanks to Alex for trusting the Rev and Wild Bill behind the wheel of the 21’ Liberator...being a connoisseur of fine tunnels, it was a rewarding drive in the V8.
My 21’ Cougar looks like a peanut next to the Liberator....lol !!
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Cant wait to get back to the afterbay to do some further testing. We WILL find thr best prop and setup for the big V8 on the Liberator.

 

[Bullhead bully]

 

[War Canoe]

Tonight’s dinner spot...doesn’t get any better!!

 

[War Canoe]

Alex got some Gone Again action...
37’ of Freak Speed .... and Rick knows how to run the beast...I want a ride in it. We had a great run with this boat at Powell...memorable moments in time!

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Alex got some Gone Again action...
37’ of Freak Speed .... and Rick knows how to run the beast...I want a ride in it. We had a great run with this boat at Powell...memorable moments in time!

Incredible day