The new 2024 Rivian SUV R1S - 390 mile range - 7700lbs tow package - 3 Feet of water.

[Orange Juice]

This EV SUV is on my radar. Rivian started taking orders w/ $1000 deposit.

R1S - Rivian

Explore the places you love with the people you love. It’s time to make some memories.

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Now all I need are a few charging stations at the boat ramps.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

The EV builders need to offer a down-market version of they are going to survive. Rivian is on pretty shakey financial ground right now.

Point being that most people aren't going to knocking down multiple hour/day road trips in these cars. Case in point I see a number of Rivians around town, but never see them out on the expressway so they are essentially local runabouts.

So how about knocking it off with the 32 way adjustable front seats, aniline leather and open pore wood trims? You can skip the panoramic sunroofs while you are at it. Maybe the kids can do without heated and ventilated second row seats as well.

The very base model comes in a $78k, I could imagine stripping the car down could knock 10-15k off that price, and still have a very nice daily driver.

 

[Andy B.]

What's the TRUE range towing 7700lbs????

 

[Andy B.]

People think they're being soooo green going electric little do they know it destroys more land than oil drilling getting the rare earth minerals for the batteries!

 

[2Driver]

What's the TRUE range towing 7700lbs????

1/2 way to the next charging station

 

[Singleton]

What's the TRUE range towing 7700lbs????

50% is what most are reporting.
So 200 miles.
Only the quad motor has the towing capacity. estimated price when I built one was 100k

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

50% is what most are reporting.
So 200 miles.
Only the quad motor has the towing capacity. estimated price when I built one was 100k

Those are numbers for towing a stand up jet ski

Figure 1/4 to 1/3 range towing something like a boat or car

How Well Does the Rivian R1T Tow?

We pulled 5650 pounds of BMW 328i wagon strapped to a Futura trailer, and everything about it went great—except for the limited range and charging logistics.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[dribble]

People think they're being soooo green going electric little do they know it destroys more land than oil drilling getting the rare earth minerals for the batteries!

Or for some people buying an EV works for their situation. I’m all for people choosing one if that’s what they want. I’m all against the enviro Nazis dictating what we’re supposed to buy.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The EV builders need to offer a down-market version of they are going to survive. Rivian is on pretty shakey financial ground right now.

Point being that most people aren't going to knocking down multiple hour/day road trips in these cars. Case in point I see a number of Rivians around town, but never see them out on the expressway so they are essentially local runabouts.

So how about knocking it off with the 32 way adjustable front seats, aniline leather and open pore wood trims? You can skip the panoramic sunroofs while you are at it. Maybe the kids can do without heated and ventilated second row seats as well.

The very base model comes in a $78k, I could imagine stripping the car down could knock 10-15k off that price, and still have a very nice daily driver.

These EV makers know their target market.

The EV MFGs can’t compete at that discounted price point, and know EVs are basically just novelty or secondary transportation for the well off.

It would take massive government intervention to get EVs to Camry pricing.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

These EV makers know their target market.

They MFGs can’t compete at that discounted price point, and know EVs are basically just novelty or secondary transportation for the well off.

It would take massive government intervention to get EVs to Camry pricing.

The EV makers are chasing Elon.

Who said anything about Camry pricing? I just.dont want a high zoot trim level and the associated price tag.

Wonder if they'd sell a private individual the fleet trim level?

Weren't you the one telling us that we can buy cheap pickups if we just uncheck a few options boxes?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The EV makers are chasing Elon.

Who said anything about Camry pricing? I just.dont want a high zoot trim level and the associated price tag.

Wonder if they'd sell a private individual the fleet trim level?

Weren't you the one telling us that we can buy cheap pickups if we just uncheck a few options boxes?

They are chasing Elon because that is where the money is.

The “fleet level” Lightning only has a range of 230 miles.. think 60-80 miles towing.

Starts at $56k

And yes, you can get a gas powered 4 door truck for $50k.

 

[NicPaus]

50% is what most are reporting.
So 200 miles.
Only the quad motor has the towing capacity. estimated price when I built one was 100k

My neighbor 2 doors over recently bought 1. 95k He is not very happy with it. Biggest problem was the 220 power he thought he had is 110. Needs a sparky to run new lines. Takes 2 days to charge it. So it sits in driveway every other day and he drives his old truck. The bed is small and so is the truck. He had some wood in it few weeks ago. 2x4 look like they were halfway hanging out. Definitely not a work oriented truck.

 

[Orange Juice]

People think they're being soooo green going electric little do they know it destroys more land than oil drilling getting the rare earth minerals for the batteries!

Most are not thinking green. They are thinking $5-$10 a gallon fuel, and $200 synthetic oil changes. This has 3rd row seating. I’m not sure if $78k EV pencils out to = $55k f-150 and fuel.

I talked to the service advisor at Dodge about their service department ramping up to EV’s, he said they have a ways to go, but improving. The Dodge EV Charger is on my radar as well.

Im 62. Im still working, and making good money. 200 miles is more than enough tow range, to haul my 21’r boat and trailer to the lake and back, with 50 gallons of fuel onboard. If it fits in my garage, it’s even more of a plus.

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Why do these people try so hard to make gay ass overpriced shit that ain't gonna work?

 

[MK1MOD0]

I just can’t get over the looks of the thing. The front end kooks like it was drawn by a 10 y/o.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Most are not thinking green. They are thinking $5-$10 a gallon fuel, and $200 synthetic oil changes. This has 3rd row seating. I’m not sure if $78k EV pencils out to = $55k f-150 and fuel.

I talked to the service advisor at Dodge about their service department ramping up to EV’s, he said they have a ways to go, but improving. The Dodge EV Charger is on my radar as well.

Im 62. Im still working, and making good money. 200 miles is more than enough tow range, to haul my 21’r boat and trailer to the lake and back, with 50 gallons of fuel onboard. If it fits in my garage, it’s even more of a plus.

Yore close to retirement. Why would you throw yore money away?

 

[pixrthis]

Love the looks except for the headlights.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Love the looks except for the headlights.

They look good. Seen a few on the road here locally.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

People think they're being soooo green going electric little do they know it destroys more land than oil drilling getting the rare earth minerals for the batteries!

People are wising up to the scam that electric vehicles are right now . I can’t wait to see what chaos will ensue when the deadlines arrive ! Anarchy will prevail !

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

People are wising up to the scam that electric vehicles are right now . I can’t wait to see what chaos will ensue when the deadlines arrive ! Anarchy will prevail !

Deadlines will evaporate in a couple years

 

[gqchris]

My buddy has one. He seems to like it. Says it has a computer glitch once a month and he has to get it fixed.

He sent me this pick last week. Wife took it to get food. Car only has a few hundred miles on it. You can guess the rest. Lol. He was livid.

 

[Orange Juice]

Yore close to retirement. Why would you throw yore money away?

Its part of my DNA. I call it “calulated risk”.

Similar to Speed Car DNA. Just different.

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Love the looks except for the headlights.

Lol...first time I saw one of these trucks...reminded me of this old skool 2XL from back in the day. Needs an 8 track in the dash.

 

[Orange Juice]

Love the looks except for the headlights.

They no longer need a big radiator grill. Thats going to bring on some innovative designs.

 

[kurtis500]

Love the looks except for the headlights.

yep, hate the headlight design

 

[Andy B.]

Or for some people buying an EV works for their situation. I’m all for people choosing one if that’s what they want. I’m all against the enviro Nazis dictating what we’re supposed to buy.

Exactly just like forcing people to get the shot! We don't live in a free country anymore thanks to Liberals,dems and rhinos.

 

[pronstar]

For launching a boat, an EV should have an easier time with a slick ramp than an ICE vehicle.

An ICE vehicle’s traction control might be able to make adjustments a few times per second.

An EV’s traction control can make adjustments hundreds or more times per second.

But yeah, I want simple vehicles that don’t have a lot of shit that will break. That’s why older Toyotas still have value.

 

[TPC]

Our Sierra EV Denali has a estimated delivery date in 11 months:
754HP / 785 Torque/400 mile range
Fun to drive, insane power and free charging at home is my motivation.

 

[TPC]

Love the looks except for the headlights.

For some odd reason reminds me of:

As we speak the Rivian charging network is free and available to all EVs.

Of the half dozen EV charging companies with locations all over the US none are simple, easy to use, reliable nor anywhere near as good as the Tesla network.

They just seem to get more complicated, frustrating to use and broken.

 

[pronstar]

For some odd reason reminds me of:
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As we speak the Rivian charging network is free and available to all EVs.

Of the half dozen EV charging companies with locations all over the US none are simple, easy to use, reliable nor anywhere near as good as the Tesla network.

They just seem to get more complicated, frustrating to use and broken.

The more Tesla innovates with stuff like a gigapress that continues to drive costs out of production, the more foolish legacy carmakers look.

Tesla didn’t invent the gigapress. Other carmakers had every chance to jump on a machine that makes 300+ assembly robots obsolete.

They’ve done more to advance automobile manufacture in a decade, than legacy carmakers accomplished in the previous 5 decades.

 

[Singleton]

My neighbor 2 doors over recently bought 1. 95k He is not very happy with it. Biggest problem was the 220 power he thought he had is 110. Needs a sparky to run new lines. Takes 2 days to charge it. So it sits in driveway every other day and he drives his old truck. The bed is small and so is the truck. He had some wood in it few weeks ago. 2x4 look like they were halfway hanging out. Definitely not a work oriented truck.

I have same issues. 110 Panel at house is maxed. Pull new line and new panel is 25k ish, since city box is 3 houses down.

My paid for Yukon, Jeep and 350 are not moving from my garage anytime soon

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The more Tesla innovates with stuff like a gigapress that continues to drive costs out of production, the more foolish legacy carmakers look.

Tesla didn’t invent the gigapress. Other carmakers had every chance to jump on a machine that makes 300+ assembly robots obsolete.

They’ve done more to advance automobile manufacture in a decade, than legacy carmakers accomplished in the previous 5 decades.

Begs the question… how much have unions hindered innovation for legacy automakers?

 

[pronstar]

Most are not thinking green. They are thinking $5-$10 a gallon fuel, and $200 synthetic oil changes. This has 3rd row seating. I’m not sure if $78k EV pencils out to = $55k f-150 and fuel.

I talked to the service advisor at Dodge about their service department ramping up to EV’s, he said they have a ways to go, but improving. The Dodge EV Charger is on my radar as well.

Im 62. Im still working, and making good money. 200 miles is more than enough tow range, to haul my 21’r boat and trailer to the lake and back, with 50 gallons of fuel onboard. If it fits in my garage, it’s even more of a plus.

And some guys want a a different take on a truck that can also embarrass a Ram TRX heads-up…and quite a few exotics

 

[TPC]

The more Tesla innovates with stuff like a gigapress that continues to drive costs out of production, the more foolish legacy carmakers look.

Tesla didn’t invent the gigapress. Other carmakers had every chance to jump on a machine that makes 300+ assembly robots obsolete.

They’ve done more to advance automobile manufacture in a decade, than legacy carmakers accomplished in the previous 5 decades.

With that tech & just a nod of the head Musk will dbl production.

They’ve taken most the copper out of their motors and fazing-in elimination of rare earth and lithium in their batteries.

No Union, no advertising, his own charging network that works, the other mfgs will have to offer different designs other than Teslas to survive. - and drastically cut employees.

Elon is a Tony Stark.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

And some guys want a a different take on a truck that can also embarrass a Ram TRX heads-up…and quite a few exotics

They fail to mention how they used the trailer to get the Rivian home though.

 

[pronstar]

They fail to mention how they used the trailer to get the Rivian home though.

It wasn’t a race and drive home competition

 

[mjc]

Our Sierra EV Denali has a estimated delivery date in 11 months:
754HP / 785 Torque/400 mile range
Fun to drive, insane power and free charging at home is my motivation.
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How far will it tow?

 

[TPC]

And some guys want a a different take on a truck that can also embarrass a Ram TRX heads-up…and quite a few exotics

Have to keep the speed under 150 or get kicked off the track so the Tesla drivers sandbag when they take and just keep the lead.

 

[TPC]

How far will it tow?

It won’t be towing. Our 2024 Dmax 3500 does the towing.

But since you asked the same distance towing in its rated trailer weight class as our Dmax when towing in its rated trailer weight class.

This from the reports from the GM proving ground testers according to TFLEV who added it’s probably very accurate tests.

 

[Javajoe]

People think they're being soooo green going electric little do they know it destroys more land than oil drilling getting the rare earth minerals for the batteries!

I think most people who buy EV’s could give a shit about going green and just like the cars. My wife has a 3 and I have a diesel truck. She is not a greeny at all

 

[TPC]

My buddy has one. He seems to like it. Says it has a computer glitch once a month and he has to get it fixed.

He sent me this pick last week. Wife took it to get food. Car only has a few hundred miles on it. You can guess the rest. Lol. He was livid. View attachment 1224397

Common problem I’ve read. Needs tires that bulge out more goes the tales.
Out of Spec YouTube channel mentioned it too in their tests.

I’d never get worked up at the wife for that.
Her EV6 has tech that keeps her distance from everything anyway.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think most people who buy EV’s could give a shit about going green and just like the cars. My wife has a 3 and I have a diesel truck. She is not a greeny at all

I agree, none of them really care. It’s America - Buy whatever you want.

The cars and charging infrastructure are decidedly worse for the environment and for humanity.

 

[TPC]

Begs the question… how much have unions hindered innovation for legacy automakers?

They are the reason we have lemon laws.

 

[pronstar]

Do we really think Rivian is going to be around in a year or two?

Unless the Biden administration steps in and saves the fucking day by heaping more shit on taxpayers, I doubt it.

They had a market cap of $150B, and now IMHO it’s over-valued at $12B

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[Paradox]

Consensus is a pretty strong buy. Heck, their cash reserve is bigger than their market cap.

I own a few hundred shares and I’m going to play it out. Likely wait until 2024 to see what happens.

 

[rrrr]

And some guys want a a different take on a truck that can also embarrass a Ram TRX heads-up…and quite a few exotics

I've never understood why some people think it's impressive an electric vehicle can "beat" any ICE powered vehicle in a quarter mile run. It's like the pony that can do addition by pawing the ground after the trainer asks it what's two plus two.

A cute trick, but really meaningless.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

They are chasing Elon because that is where the money is.

The “fleet level” Lightning only has a range of 230 miles.. think 60-80 miles towing.

Starts at $56k

And yes, you can get a gas powered 4 door truck for $50k.

The more I thought about; the reason the EV makers are only doing high end vehicles is because of their limited production capacity. Rivian can realistically produce a car once a half hour. They need to get down to about a car every 10 minutes, at least, and they can't. Rivian would be over-run if they lowered the price to compete with the Ford Lightning. Even Elon realized what was going to happen with a $30k Model 3 and nixed that trim level.

I've never understood why some people think it's impressive an electric vehicle can "beat" any ICE powered vehicle in a quarter mile run. It's like the pony that can do addition by pawing the ground after the trainer asks it what's two plus two.

A cute trick, but really meaningless.

I can't decide if you are kidding or not. I'd venture that most on the guys on this board are more interested in straight line performance over any other metric when it comes to a vehicle. It's one reason we all love muscle cars, that feeling of getting squished back in the seat when you stand on the gas. EV performance in a quarter mile is a huge reason people buy them.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

My buddy has one. He seems to like it. Says it has a computer glitch once a month and he has to get it fixed.

He sent me this pick last week. Wife took it to get food. Car only has a few hundred miles on it. You can guess the rest. Lol. He was livid. View attachment 1224397

Why was he livid? I thought there was an expectation that a wife would do that. Mine did it to her Tesla is the first week of ownerships.

 

[Taboma]

I have same issues. 110 Panel at house is maxed. Pull new line and new panel is 25k ish, since city box is 3 houses down.

My paid for Yukon, Jeep and 350 are not moving from my garage anytime soon

Where do you folks live where you've only got 110V service to your homes ?? Are these 1930-40's built homes ?

 

[pronstar]

I've never understood why some people think it's impressive an electric vehicle can "beat" any ICE powered vehicle in a quarter mile run. It's like the pony that can do addition by pawing the ground after the trainer asks it what's two plus two.

A cute trick, but really meaningless.

I can see the appeal, but it’s short-lived.
With so many hyper-quick EVs, it’s not a differentiator anymore.

I’m not often requesting all of the beans from our 5.3L trucks very often, so all of that acceleration isn’t something I’m really looking for in a vehicle.