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The Middle Class, Refugees in their Own Country

By Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh August 7, 2014

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"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us." - Anonymous

My reality today in America, the former "land of the free, home of the brave" is crony capitalism ruled by an anti-American socialist/Marxist regime. I feel like the musicians on the Titanic.

A border guard, who asked a truck driver coming into the U.S. if he was an American citizen, was met with the surprising question, "Does it really matter anymore?" The border guard's answer, after he waved the trucker on through, was even more shocking, "Not really."

The reality in my former daily communist life was encapsulated in an anonymous play on words that goes like this:

"Everybody had a job; although everybody had a job, nobody was really working; even though nobody was working, the communist five-year plan was always fulfilled 100 percent; although the plan was always fulfilled, nobody could buy anything; although nothing was available, everybody had everything; even though people had everything, everybody was stealing to survive; although everybody was stealing, nothing was missing, ever." There you have it, reality under communism. And it is already here in America in an incipient form.

I escaped this reality to come to freedom in America, the shining city on the hill, the example of generosity, hard work, excellent health care, outstanding education, and the opportunity to succeed. The problem is that this freedom no longer exists, other than freedom of the press and that is curtailed more and more by the day. Yes, you can speak freely but you are labeled a terrorist, a hatemonger, a racist, and, at worst, you lose your job, forever a pariah, joining the almost 100 million Americans out of work or on perennial welfare.

We've been so balkanized by entitled ethnic groups flooding our country who are forever insulted by our traditions or our Christianity and who have such vociferous and powerful lobbies in Washington, D.C., that we are being fast ethnically displaced and replaced by a third world population that refuses to learn English and assimilate, a backwards population that hates America but loves its generous welfare. The unwelcome guests are fast engulfing, overrun, and overwhelm the hosts, destroying them until there is nothing left to suck on but an empty exoskeleton blown by the wind into the dustbin of revisionist history.

We are no longer the protector and policeman of the world and the world is in utter chaos. The enemy is becoming bolder and stronger, occupying areas that we have spent years to free and sacrificed thousands of limbs and lives.

Our President tells us that our former archenemy, Russia, does not produce anything, yet we have to rent a chair on their space shuttle for $90 million if our astronauts are to fly to the International Space Station. Our wings have been clipped with the stroke of a presidential pen.

We have become the poor relative asking for handouts from the rich relative that we disdain. Russia's cosmonauts are leading the space race now. It is not even a race anymore because we no longer have a race horse. It was mothballed in the museum of our former greatness.

The current regime thought that it was high time that we were cut down to size. We needed to be taught a lesson in poverty in order to experience what other poor people around the world struggle with every day. As if we arrived at our wealth and abundance overnight and never worked hard to achieve it. Somehow we've stolen it from the poor countries around the world whom we've exploited.

We've been forced by our presidents to redistribute so much wealth to the national and international poor and downtrodden, our middle class has now become a refugee class in our own country, a class which is fast disappearing, displaced and replaced by hordes of ethnic groups alien to America. We are refugees from the war on the middle class, the war on prosperity waged furiously and rapidly by Congress and various regimes elected by the low information American and illegal immigrant voters who flooded our country but bring with them the hellholes they've escaped from.

The law of unintended consequence. Thanks libtards!:finger
 

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Sad. True. Let's see what humor v13 can garner. Or the tards.
 

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My family came from mexico and are an asset to this country. We are the middle class most Mexican immigrants do the dirty work americans don't want to. Like hang drywall for example.
 

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My family came from mexico and are an asset to this country. We are the middle class most Mexican immigrants do the dirty work americans don't want to. Like hang drywall for example.

Bud, I got some bad news about your talking points.

When WE(my friends and I) were younger, and lowskilled, we all washed dishes, mowed lawns, dug ditches, worked in restaurants, and served fast food, yes, even hung drywall(I even did it for fun in my 30's). Nothing wrong with manual labor. We probably would have picked food had we been near agriculture.

NONE of those jobs are destined to be careers.

We now fix our own houses, mow our own lawns, clean our own pools, rake our own leaves, trim our own trees. It's amazing to watch, and do.

But we weren't raised by pussies either, and didn't expect a fucking thing if we didn't do something for it, or expect it from our parents. So we had to work for it.

We all had cool shit and decent cars in later years of highschool, partied on our own dime, through our 20's and owned homes in our early 30's.


So again, I got some bad news, if "the mexican immigrants" as you say, weren't here, trust me, those jobs would be done by someone.

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[Q UOTE=wsuwrhr;1829311]Bud, I got some bad news about your talking points.

When WE(my friends and I) were younger, and lowskilled, we all washed dishes, mowed lawns, dug ditches, worked in restaurants, and served fast food, yes, even hung drywall(I even did it for fun in my 30's). Nothing wrong with manual labor. We probably would have picked food had we been near agriculture.

We now fix our own houses, mow our own lawns, clean our own pools, rake our own leaves, trim our own trees. It's amazing to watch, and do.
NONE of those jobs are destined to be careers.

So again, I got some bad news, if "the mexican immigrants" as you say, weren't here, trust me, those jobs would be done by someone.

But we weren't raised by pussies either, and didn't expect a fucking thing if we didn't do something for it, or expect it from our parents. So we had to work for it.

We all had cool shit and decent cars in later years of highschool, partied on our own dime, through our 20's and owned homes in our early 30's.

Brian[/QUOTE]
I've made a career out of drywall and owned my first home at 23. What's your point?
 

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Id say less then 20% of workers are white.
 

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[Q UOTE=wsuwrhr;1829311]Bud, I got some bad news about your talking points.

When WE(my friends and I) were younger, and lowskilled, we all washed dishes, mowed lawns, dug ditches, worked in restaurants, and served fast food, yes, even hung drywall(I even did it for fun in my 30's). Nothing wrong with manual labor. We probably would have picked food had we been near agriculture.

We now fix our own houses, mow our own lawns, clean our own pools, rake our own leaves, trim our own trees. It's amazing to watch, and do.
NONE of those jobs are destined to be careers.

So again, I got some bad news, if "the mexican immigrants" as you say, weren't here, trust me, those jobs would be done by someone.

But we weren't raised by pussies either, and didn't expect a fucking thing if we didn't do something for it, or expect it from our parents. So we had to work for it.

We all had cool shit and decent cars in later years of highschool, partied on our own dime, through our 20's and owned homes in our early 30's.

Brian
I've made a career out of drywall and owned my first home at 23. What's your point?[/QUOTE]

Your body will give out, eventually, and it will, and you will need to move on to something else to feed yourself, is my point, the younger
generation should take over, and if you did it right, hopefully it will be YOU leading them just like it was when you started.
 

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I've made a career out of drywall and owned my first home at 23. What's your point?

Your body will give out, eventually, and you will need to move on to something else to feed yourself, is my point, the younger generation shouldl take over, and if you did it right, hopefully it will be YOU leading them just like it was when you started.[/QUOTE]

I plan on staying in this field and moving up. Like I said I've made a career of it. And I'm not a pussyfoot body will hold up fine [emoji12]
 

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They don't want to work hard I see it everyday
 

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Your body will give out, eventually, and you will need to move on to something else to feed yourself, is my point, the younger generation shouldl take over, and if you did it right, hopefully it will be YOU leading them just like it was when you started.

I plan on staying in this field and moving up. Like I said I've made a career of it. And I'm not a pussyfoot body will hold up fine [emoji12][/QUOTE]

You won't, if you care what your back will be like when you are old.

Yea, and how many 40 year olds do you know that will hold up an 8 foot peice of drywall to a ceiling?
 

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Several I work w them everyday. Majority of jm actually
 

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Union carpenters are in it till 55 for pension. Working holding up drywall. You're making my point. You aren't willing to do it Mexicans are [emoji1]
 

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Union carpenters are in it till 55 for pension. Working holding up drywall. You're making my point. You aren't willing to do it Mexicans are [emoji1]

You engage your fingers before your brain. You are still young, and possibly un-helpable for the near term, I got it.

Pal, you have no idea what I do, and have done, for a living.

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BTW, hanging drywall and general construction paid $18-20 an hour, 20 years ago.

Probably is the same, or less, now.

Let's hear your reason why.

Brian
 

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Lol tell me again how being a carpenter isn't a career
 

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I make double that bud close to triple... Tell me how stupid I am for being union lol
 

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Lol tell me again how being a carpenter isn't a career

I make double that bud close to triple... Tell me how stupid I am for being union lol

I never said either, now did I?

Unless shit has changed, carpenters don't hang drywall or do "laborer" jobs.

Or what people now call carpenters has changed to be "politically correct"

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My official title is carpenter. I do steel stud framing and drywall. You said drywall isn't a career I don't recall you ever saying anything about union but I'm sure u know how everyone feels
 

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I make double that bud close to triple... Tell me how stupid I am for being union lol

No man,you're smart for being union on that front.
Let me tell you a story.
In the early 70's after my pops came back from Vietnam he went into construction,finish carpentry.Residential mostly.He was non union at the time.
He was laid off time and time again.The reason?Mexicans willing to do the work for a third the wage.
The company owners were fine with getting 1/2 the quality for a third the price.
He moved on to other areas,and became involved in tilt up construction.

You have a strange view of things Like has been said many times before,stay union.
As to your comment about your body not breaking down...:D. Good luck with that.In 25 years come visit me in the old folks home and let me know how it worked out for you.;)
 

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My official title is carpenter. I do steel stud framing and drywall. You said drywall isn't a career I don't recall you ever saying anything about union but I'm sure u know how everyone feels
 

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The point there by the way,was not that he wasn't willing to do the work.But that he wasn't willing to do the work to get paid beans and rice;)
 

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My official title is carpenter. I do steel stud framing and drywall. You said drywall isn't a career I don't recall you ever saying anything about union but I'm sure u know how everyone feels

I'll have to change what I think a carpenter does then, it always meant something else to me I guess. In my book, a carpenter works with wood and never touched a peice of drywall.

In my opinion, you do drywall your whole life, you will be walking bent over to cash your pension checks.

I don't give a shit about unions either way. In my opinion for the most part, they protect lazy fucks and fleece the working person.

My work has always stood on it's own. My feeling is if you do a good job, you don't need someone to do your negotiating. To each their own. I've never joined a union.

Brian
 

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The point there by the way,was not that he wasn't willing to do the work.But that he wasn't willing to do the work to get paid beans and rice;)

Yes, exactly, when I did it, it paid well and I was young. I wouldn't risk hurting myself for those wages now.
 

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In my case union is the difference between a good living and peanuts
 

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It's about to that point gel coating ;)

Forgive me if I am wrong, I view that as more of a design job, where you are working more with your mind, than your brawn.

You have my respect in that regard, I just don't have that gene.

Brian
 

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In my case union is the difference between a good living and peanuts

:)

So what would happen if you were put in the position of working for peanuts or be laid off?Knowing that the other peanuts were putting out below par work?
 

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Lol I'm union that can't happen that's up the union is so important
 

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My family came from mexico and are an asset to this country. We are the middle class most Mexican immigrants do the dirty work americans don't want to. Like hang drywall for example.

Lol I'm union that can't happen that's up the union is so important

So,in other words you are union to protect yourself from the very people you defend in post #3.;)
 

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I'll have to change what I think a carpenter does then, it always meant something else to me I guess. In my book, a carpenter works with wood and never touched a peice of drywall.

In my opinion, you do drywall your whole life, you will be walking bent over to cash your pension checks.

I don't give a shit about unions either way. In my opinion for the most part, they protect lazy fucks and fleece the working person.

My work has always stood on it's own. My feeling is if you do a good job, you don't need someone to do your negotiating. To each their own. I've never joined a union.

Brian

Don't give a shit...But here is my opinion. :headscratch: BTW the lazy fucks will not be working at all and will be setting at the hall for a looong time. :thumbsup Carry on. :p
 

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Don't give a shit...But here is my opinion. :headscratch: BTW the lazy fucks will not be working at all and will be setting at the hall for a looong time. :thumbsup Carry on. :p

Why is that too hard for you to understand?

He was asking and asking, about it.

So yes, I don't give a shit about unions either way. I am not in a union, never needed one, never joined one. But that is my opinion of a union. They have surpassed their usefulness.

Two union lifers...

According to V13 they work with him every day.

According to you....BTW the lazy fucks will not be working at all and will be setting at the hall for a looong time.


Non union guy...

Acording to me....The lazy fucks would either find something else to do, or get with the program, starve, or join your president's non working payment program.
 

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My family came from mexico and are an asset to this country. We are the middle class most Mexican immigrants do the dirty work americans don't want to. Like hang drywall for example.

Same with my wife.
And if there's one thing I can state, it's that Mexicans here legally by-and-large dislike Mexicans here illegally.
 

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Same with my wife.
And if there's one thing I can state, it's that Mexicans here legally by-and-large dislike Mexicans here illegally.

I find many are pretty silent about them, or standing along side them.

Brian
 

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Why is that too hard for you to understand?

He was asking and asking, about it.

So yes, I don't give a shit about unions either way. I am not in a union, never needed one, never joined one. But that is my opinion of a union. They have surpassed their usefulness.

Two union lifers...

According to V13 they work with him every day.

According to you....BTW the lazy fucks will not be working at all and will be setting at the hall for a looong time.


Non union guy...

Acording to me....The lazy fucks would either find something else to do, or get with the program, starve, or join your president's non working payment program.

I have been working here at my company for close to 30 years and have seen 100's of guys come and go for many reasons. Was superintendent for 6 years and now in sales for the last 7 years. Our foreman are basically graded on EVERY job they run. So if they have a slower/lazy guy on their job its in their best interest to tell the super and have them removed or warned to pick it up. The super is also graded. Its a small industry we are in and if your name gets around as being slow/lazy, yes you will set at the hall.

Don't get me started on lazy machinists. :p
 

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Id say less then 20% of workers are white.
You sound like the Hispanics that work for me, ill informed or flat dumb.
When they brag about how they built this country or do the work lazy white people won't do I ask them who the fuck do they think was the mainstay of this industry 40 years ago? They have no freaking clue.
They make less than the wages a carpenter made 40 years ago and it won't be changing anytime in the future.
You think your union wage has gone up in forty years adjusted for inflation?
 

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I'd say commenting on a trade and union u know absolutely nothing about would make u uninformed and dumb [emoji106]
 

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Agreed but so do the guys bashing my union or career
 

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Start, let's hear it.

First, is it first hand knowledge?

Brian

You know I'm referring to machinists. Not machine shop owners, Owners put in way more time then any trade that I know of. The help not so much. To many first hand stories to tell. :grumble:
 

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You know I'm referring to machinists. Not machine shop owners, Owners put in way more time then any trade that I know of. The help not so much. To many first hand stories to tell. :grumble:

I am a machinist, well before I was a machine shop owner, and I am still a machinist, maybe even that same machinist.

So let's hear all about them. I'm all ears.

Brian
 

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You sound like the Hispanics that work for me, ill informed or flat dumb.
When they brag about how they built this country or do the work lazy white people won't do I ask them who the fuck do they think was the mainstay of this industry 40 years ago? They have no freaking clue.
They make less than the wages a carpenter made 40 years ago and it won't be changing anytime in the future.
You think your union wage has gone up in forty years adjusted for inflation?

I didn't see anyone bashing either, sir.

Weird
 

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Lol u see what u want. I believe u were the one that said it's not a career and the union is protection for the lazy
 

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choosing no career, scamming welfare, or a 'from the old country, push cart type of business'. US history and our own families will tell us that 'those who migrated before us, did so to become Americans'. Today, people come here for different reasons, none of which benefit THIS COUNTRY, in any way. My dad's parents WANTED to learn English, so they could go forward in the US economy. Today, we print welfare, WIC, and political papers in many languages. Why should anyone feel the need to join in our 'American way' when they can 'drift along the sidelines, in the shadows, picking up scraps and NEVER PAYING their fair share for the services they use'. Not controlling our borders absolutely guaranties a 'silent lower class of people', never allowed to be anything more. For those who insist that we let 'everyone into this country', I say "only if you take 1/2 of them to YOUR house!" Who are you, protesting in the streets and not at work, to tell the majority of us who do work, what is right and what is just (honorable) in this country ? FREE SPEECH and political action are two different things, and should not be confused. We have become so 'diverse' that there is no 'straight and narrow path' anymore. America WAS the melting pot of the world's people, and now it is closer than ever to just being 'the people's pot of the world', because every SPECIAL GROUP wants to 'change things', always different, never better for the country. Once upon a time, Pittsburg was the 'steel capitol of the world', (numbers rivaled all of Europe together) and in the late 19th century the workers UNIONIZED. They did so mostly for safety, equality of wages, and work hours. This union (like many others) started out with a 'heart of gold' and the workers had a mutual respect with their union. Over the years of prosperity, the union built up a 'wall' between itself and the business owners, only because they were 'on the side of the workers'. As the 'steel business around the world started to change in the late 1950's' and Americans now had to compete with Europe, Japan, China, India, and even the USSR, the union failed to reconsider it's relationship with the steel companies. In some of our own lifetimes we can remember "cheap jap junk", "plastic instead of metal?", "Borgward, Prinz, Nissan, and VW", and the growing tide of imports. The union never noticed, and tried to control the US steel business right up until it was NO MORE. Was that 'their best' for the workers ? Hell no and YOU are on your own, no matter what the union says ! Some of us 'older members', have lived through the past political and business changes in this country, and we are trying to warn you. We are trying to warn you about the current 'sociopolitical changes' that are in motion right now. If the USA is at the top of the world's socioeconomic ladder, and Bangladesh is at the bottom, isn't it easier to disrupt an organized rich country than a poor disorganized one ? If you were the Captain of a boat that was sinking because it had; no credibility with it's allies, corrupt legal system, (Holder) corrupt political system, (Obama) failed military policies, and trying to kill it's own economy, would you BORROW more money and INVITE more people into the boat if they had no 'buckets to help bale' ? Our CAPTAIN is still on this course.........
 
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