Tesla Continues to collapse.

[KENDOG689]

Lets say you can do it in 5 minutes (seriously doubtful if that can be sustained)

If you have to make a dedicated to trip from your house to the station in back to do it 5 mi? Seriously doubtful.

the 5 minutes still adds up to 70 minutes a month. Then add that up for a year thats 840 minutes 14 hours.

Is that really time?

I cant tell anyone what time means to them, but I know what that time means to me.

UD

You got to be fucking joking.840mins and 14hrs.You have wayyy too much time.

 

[Racey]

When the world goes to shit, I can still bump start my old hotrod, no electronics needed.....I always have the points distributor in the trunk lol.

EMP or Solar Flare nightmare for the world in EV's, and all the electronic warriors.

I guess I am just lucky to be born in an era where I got to experience it all, the birth of the internet (good or bad lol) hot rodding in it's waning years, and unregulated access to national parks, lakes, rivers with no fees growing up. Every family had extra vehicles, boats, rv's and campers, and were actually friendly to each other.

This new direction the "tech" generation is going down lacks style, class and resourcefulness. How many of you ever actually call AAA to change a tire?

Considering that they are so new, with so little actual world testing, it's going to be interesting to see how EV's hold up as far as longevity.

Remember, they are less than .7% of the national fleet at the moment, not exactly a lot of time to really judge anything on.

The real world is much harsher than engineers and testers can ever plan for, I have experienced it thousands of times.

Electric motors have replaced nearly 100% of all mechanical equipment that used to be run off steam or internal combustion, machinery, air conditioners, boilers, water pumps, literally the entire 1st world societal existence is based on them and they have had immense development over the last 70 years, and are far more reliable than their mechanical counterparts could ever be. The batteries are the wild card and always have been, and that is where the majority of the progress has been made.

EMP or solar flare nightmare? the last thing you are gonna be worrying about is if your car starts, cause none of the gas pumps will pump, none of the taps will run, none of the food will be refrigerated... unless you have an off the grid homestead you are as screwed as everyone else anyway. When that many people are going to be affected, shit will get fixed really fast. Demand and profit dictates that.

 

[pronstar]

Gas car?

100% electric [emoji106]


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[pronstar]

Do you use a 220 volt or 110v outlet to charge it?
Does one source cost more than the other on the electric bill? Or is it about the same?
Just curious.

Just saw this sorry.
I charge at 220v/24 amps.

No difference in power here in Dallas.
Costs all the same for me, thru the same meter.

I think in CA some utilities offer net metering, with different rates if your car charger is in a dedicated meter.


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[pronstar]

What car do you own?I would like to see the #s across the board.

The 500e electric clown car that I lease, posted above.

Insurance is killing me in Texas. My rates for this car went way up.
It’s a fragile car, parts are expensive.

I totaled my first one after making one payment (I’m sure that’s why my rates are so high LOL)...this was $24k in damage, 17k in parts alone. The owner of the brand-new Q5 I hit didn’t even return calls from my insurance company.

I pay $225/month to insure the damned thing...including taxes, my lease payment is only $130.


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[KENDOG689]

The 500e electric clown car that I lease, posted above.

Insurance is killing me in Texas. My rates for this car went way up.
It’s a fragile car, parts are expensive.

I totaled my first one after making one payment (I’m sure that’s why my rates are so high LOL)...this was $34k in damage, 17k in parts alone. The owner of the brand-new Q5 I hit didn’t even return calls from my insurance company.

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I pay $225/month to insure the damned thing...including taxes, my lease payment is only $130.


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Is a car like that even 34k?

 

[pronstar]

Is a car like that even 34k?

That’s was a typo, I fixed it.
Was only $24k in damage LOL


They sticker at $32k, which is retarded.
Three-year-old, low-mile off-lease returns sell for $4k-$7k at auction as noted above.

The late Sergio Marchionne stated FCA lost $14k on every one they sold...but they only recently got a hybrid minivan, and have no other EV’s to meet CA mandates, so they have no choice.

They basically lower the lease price until they move enough to meet mandates, then the lease price pops back up.

At one point these were $0 down, $49/month.


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[KENDOG689]

LOL,plastic cars.Gotta have a gas engine for me.

 

[SBMech]

Electric motors have replaced nearly 100% of all mechanical equipment that used to be run off steam or internal combustion, machinery, air conditioners, boilers, water pumps, literally the entire 1st world societal existence is based on them and they have had immense development over the last 70 years, and are far more reliable than their mechanical counterparts could ever be. The batteries are the wild card and always have been, and that is where the majority of the progress has been made.

EMP or solar flare nightmare? the last thing you are gonna be worrying about is if your car starts, cause none of the gas pumps will pump, none of the taps will run, none of the food will be refrigerated... unless you have an off the grid homestead you are as screwed as everyone else anyway. When that many people are going to be affected, shit will get fixed really fast. Demand and profit dictates that.

I don't doubt that at all Racey. I have barrels of fuel where my shit is, hand pumps, I am all set if shit goes weird.

You obviously have much faith in electronics and software. Working with it as it ages in the real world is an eye opening experience IMO.

I just feel like having other options is a good thing. I do not like "putting all my eggs in one basket". Too many systems I have seen fail that were "failsafe" or had "failsafe mode protection", but in reality it fails anyhow. I guess there will always be those of us who carry a tool bag when out doing shit "because you never know".

 

[rcmike]

So it's probably not a great idea to be inviting rap stars to spend the weekend with your girlfriend when you are trying to line up 80 billion dollars, but seriously, this is so hilarious...
http://twitter.com/sadhoeflo/status/1028869317213880320

 

[sirbob]

You forgot to post the one where she said he was on acid when he tweeted about taking the company private - gotta be more careful about who you let in the inner circle!

So it's probably not a great idea to be inviting rap stars to spend the weekend with your girlfriend when you are trying to line up 80 billion dollars, but seriously, this is so hilarious...
http://twitter.com/sadhoeflo/status/1028869317213880320

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[Deja_Vu]

I think Adam Corolla (the radio personality not the Top gear guy) said it best after a day in a model S

" Get an F350 and one of these and you are done"
(Chevy guys insert Dmax)

IF I didn't need two trucks Id have a (somebodies long range) electric as one of 2 vehicles in a heartbeat. These things are going to get better and cheaper pretty rapidly.

With a 300 mile range and the ability to fill up at home every night so I start with a "full tank" every morning without going anywhere is huge.

Add up 3-5 years of trips to the gas station for city driving and forget about the money, look at the time you get back.
For me I fill each car once a week and it takes about 15-20 min if it's on a route - more if its a separate trip to " fill up before a trip". Sometines I pay cash and have to make 2 trips inside - I try to be thrifty when its meaningful but not ridiculous about it.

f-all the notion of green, forget about who makes the thing - you buy yourself back a lot of time by filling at home vs separate destinations.

One regular car/truck/suv for long range and towing duty call that 20% of my driving this runs on dino and I have no station at home.

One sedan/SUV for 80% of my driving this runs on juice goes 300 a stretch, and I fill up at home and start every day with a full tank.

UD

I have a good truck to tow with, a sports car and an econo box. I kind of want a SUV to go out to dinner but I wouldn't spend over $20k on a used Traverse or Enclave.

I have a unique situation at the moment. I commute 287 miles to work Monday and about 30 each way during the week then another 287 back home.
Range anxiety would be high and by the time I get to work all the charging stations will be full.

With my gasser, I gas up Tuesday and twice on Friday. I usually fill up in the wee hours of the morning so no lines.
I guess I am just accustomed to it.

Shoot I always forget to charge my phone, lol It would be a struggle to remember to charge the car.

 

[regor]

SEC Said To Subpoena Company

 

[highvoltagehands]

I have a good truck to tow with, a sports car and an econo box. I kind of want a SUV to go out to dinner but I wouldn't spend over $20k on a used Traverse or Enclave.

I have a unique situation at the moment. I commute 287 miles to work Monday and about 30 each way during the week then another 287 back home.
Range anxiety would be high and by the time I get to work all the charging stations will be full.

With my gasser, I gas up Tuesday and twice on Friday. I usually fill up in the wee hours of the morning so no lines.
I guess I am just accustomed to it.

Shoot I always forget to charge my phone, lol It would be a struggle to remember to charge the car.

Sooo "You fill up in the wee hours of the morning so no lines, yet all the charging stations will be full?" Noted.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Sooo "You fill up in the wee hours of the morning so no lines, yet all the charging stations will be full?" Noted.

Charging stations at his work will be full I'm assuming. His commute depends on his ability to leave work fully charged.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

SEC Said To Subpoena Company

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You really think they are going to do something to Elon Musk? Unless the stock tanks he can get away with pretty much anything he wants.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You really think they are going to do something to Elon Musk? Unless the stock tanks he can get away with pretty much anything he wants.

Musk @ deposition -
"Sorry guys, I was on illicit drugs when I tweeted that. I misread an email from a Nigerian prince because of my drug induced stooper but we realized after my tweets that it was spam and a scam. We will do better next time."

 

[pronstar]

For most folks with normal commutes and an EV, you just plug it in at night when you get home.

It becomes second nature.


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[highvoltagehands]

Charging stations at his work will be full I'm assuming. His commute depends on his ability to leave work fully charged.

I understand what he's saying. Bottom line is he hasn't bought into EV and prefers ICE vehicle. Nothing wrong with that, everyones allowed to have preferences.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I understand what he's saying. Bottom line is he hasn't bought into EV and prefers ICE vehicle. Nothing wrong with that, everyones allowed to have preferences.

It sounds like it is beyond preference as he NEEDS an ICE vehicle for his commute. He wants to be able to get home at the end of his work day, not be stranded at the office after hours while his car tops off its batteries.

 

[KENDOG689]

Until there are enough chargers per day per car,it's sill to buy one.Plus you have 75 employees all plugging in at the same time...Who pays for that bill.

 

[River Lynchmob]

I think Adam Corolla (the radio personality not the Top gear guy) said it best after a day in a model S

" Get an F350 and one of these and you are done"
(Chevy guys insert Dmax)




IF I didn't need two trucks Id have a (somebodies long range) electric as one of 2 vehicles in a heartbeat. These things are going to get better and cheaper pretty rapidly.

With a 300 mile range and the ability to fill up at home every night so I start with a "full tank" every morning without going anywhere is huge.

Add up 3-5 years of trips to the gas station for city driving and forget about the money, look at the time you get back.
For me I fill each car once a week and it takes about 15-20 min if it's on a route - more if its a separate trip to " fill up before a trip". Sometines I pay cash and have to make 2 trips inside - I try to be thrifty when its meaningful but not ridiculous about it.

f-all the notion of green, forget about who makes the thing - you buy yourself back a lot of time by filling at home vs separate destinations.

One regular car/truck/suv for long range and towing duty call that 20% of my driving this runs on dino and I have no station at home.

One sedan/SUV for 80% of my driving this runs on juice goes 300 a stretch, and I fill up at home and start every day with a full tank.


UD

I have not researched it, curious if you know how having a plug in electric affects your electric bill? It is obvious it will vary on how much juice you need to top off the batteries, just a range. It would be a great deal for the solar guys for sure.
Edit: NVM read the rest of the thread.

 

[Yellowboat]

Most power companies offer some type of discount/ rebate/ free with a ev

 

[KENDOG689]

Most power companies offer some type of discount/ rebate/ free with a ev

You say "most"....

 

[Sleek-Jet]

"Some" do, many smaller utilities do not.

 

[regor]

You really think they are going to do something to Elon Musk? Unless the stock tanks he can get away with pretty much anything he wants.

Nah, not for his comments, but I believe someday that weasel will for something.

In other Musk news.....................

Tesla Whistleblower Releases VIN Numbers Of Model 3s With Punctured Battery Modules

 

[lbhsbz]

For most folks with normal commutes and an EV, you just plug it in at night when you get home.

It becomes second nature.


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The problem with that is, not everyone has a garage....or a garage you can fit a car into. In Long Beach for example...we have quite a few apartments with very little onside parking, so most have to park on the street, sometimes a few blocks (or miles) away from their apartment. Residents in cases like this have no place to charge their car at home, and probably no place to charge their car at work...so now what? Electric vehicles will never replace ICE vehicles for this reason..

 

[Sleek-Jet]

The problem with that is, not everyone has a garage....or a garage you can fit a car into. In Long Beach for example...we have quite a few apartments with very little onside parking, so most have to park on the street, sometimes a few blocks (or miles) away from their apartment. Residents in cases like this have no place to charge their car at home, and probably no place to charge their car at work...so now what? Electric vehicles will never replace ICE vehicles for this reason..

You should make the city put in car chargers for every parking spot... free car chargers, because no one wants to pay for that shit.

 

[pronstar]

The problem with that is, not everyone has a garage....or a garage you can fit a car into. In Long Beach for example...we have quite a few apartments with very little onside parking, so most have to park on the street, sometimes a few blocks (or miles) away from their apartment. Residents in cases like this have no place to charge their car at home, and probably no place to charge their car at work...so now what? Electric vehicles will never replace ICE vehicles for this reason..

Yup, for those people an EV doesn’t make sense.

EV’s don’t make sense for everyone.
And neither does any other type of vehicle.

Good thing we have a choice [emoji106]


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[LargeOrangeFont]

You should make the city put in car chargers for every parking spot... free car chargers, because no one wants to pay for that shit.

Let me guess.. the gas taxes will pay for it

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Let me guess.. the gas taxes will pay for it

I don't care... I just paid $89K for a Tezla, they told me I didn't have to pay to fill it up also!

 

[warlock250]

Electric motors have replaced nearly 100% of all mechanical equipment that used to be run off steam or internal combustion, machinery, air conditioners, boilers, water pumps, literally the entire 1st world societal existence is based on them and they have had immense development over the last 70 years, and are far more reliable than their mechanical counterparts could ever be. The batteries are the wild card and always have been, and that is where the majority of the progress has been made.

EMP or solar flare nightmare? the last thing you are gonna be worrying about is if your car starts, cause none of the gas pumps will pump, none of the taps will run, none of the food will be refrigerated... unless you have an off the grid homestead you are as screwed as everyone else anyway. When that many people are going to be affected, shit will get fixed really fast. Demand and profit dictates that.

Only thing I need is my Guns and Lots of Ammo. God will sort the rest out.[emoji6][emoji6]

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[Singleton]

You really think they are going to do something to Elon Musk? Unless the stock tanks he can get away with pretty much anything he wants.

He most likely is going to resign as CEO and lose his BoD seat, but the company will still go private.
It’s the class action lawsuit against him that will cause personal issues (bye bye $$). I only see the SEC investigation giving those suits more ammo.

 

[highvoltagehands]

So it's probably not a great idea to be inviting rap stars to spend the weekend with your girlfriend when you are trying to line up 80 billion dollars, but seriously, this is so hilarious...
http://twitter.com/sadhoeflo/status/1028869317213880320

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C'mon Man. Definitely not a great idea to be following & posting retweeted rants of a jilted bipolar rapper off her meds. She's banned from a few major social media sites for going after Sarah Palin and others for attention.

 

[highvoltagehands]

Nah, not for his comments, but I believe someday that weasel will for something.

In other Musk news.....................

Tesla Whistleblower Releases VIN Numbers Of Model 3s With Punctured Battery Modules

Hey Roger, It's not linked, so I just googled this news statement, The first few hits didn't say there's any proof of damaged batteries, and after looking at this Tripp guys tweets of illegal scrap trailers(all I saw were construction & office connexs and brown knaack job boxes.) I think he's reaching or off his rocker and trying to smear Tesla like the "shorts" guys. Just my opinion and I'll leave it at that.
https://electrek.co/2018/08/15/tesla-whistleblower-saboteur-model-3-vin-punctured-battery-cells/

 

[rcmike]

I mean, she WAS there.. Her take on things is whatever, although I would guess that would fall under "it's probably not a great idea to be inviting rap stars to spend the weekend with your girlfriend when you are trying to line up 80 billion dollars."

 

[regor]

Hey Roger, It's not linked, so I just googled this news statement, The first few hits didn't say there's any proof of damaged batteries, and after looking at this Tripp guys tweets of illegal scrap trailers(all I saw were construction & office connexs and brown knaack job boxes.) I think he's reaching or off his rocker and trying to smear Tesla like the "shorts" guys. Just my opinion and I'll leave it at that.
https://electrek.co/2018/08/15/tesla-whistleblower-saboteur-model-3-vin-punctured-battery-cells/

Could be HVH, but there's also this...............................

No sooner did Charlie Gasparino at Fox Business News drop the bomb today that Tesla's legal team is "bracing for billions of dollars in potential liability from private lawsuits" than a second proposed SEC formal whistleblower has now entered the picture, and according to Jalopnik, drumroll, he alleges that Tesla failed to let shareholders know that the DEA had previously uncovered an alleged Mexico-based drug trafficking ring involving "large quantities" of cocaine and crystal meth at the company's Nevada Gigafactory.

 

[cxr]

Could be HVH, but there's also this...............................

No sooner did Charlie Gasparino at Fox Business News drop the bomb today that Tesla's legal team is "bracing for billions of dollars in potential liability from private lawsuits" than a second proposed SEC formal whistleblower has now entered the picture, and according to Jalopnik, drumroll, he alleges that Tesla failed to let shareholders know that the DEA had previously uncovered an alleged Mexico-based drug trafficking ring involving "large quantities" of cocaine and crystal meth at the company's Nevada Gigafactory.

oh shit is this the 80's having Delorean flashbacks LOL

 

[spectra3279]

People keep buying electric cars. But nobody is upgrading the power grid. What are they gonna do when it collapses

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[Sleek-Jet]

People keep buying electric cars. But nobody is upgrading the power grid. What are they gonna do when it collapses

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The power grid can handle the relative handful of EV's on the road.

 

[spectra3279]

The power grid can handle the relative handful of EV's on the road.

For the moment. But another year or 3?

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[MSum661]

Could be HVH, but there's also this...............................

No sooner did Charlie Gasparino at Fox Business News drop the bomb today that Tesla's legal team is "bracing for billions of dollars in potential liability from private lawsuits" than a second proposed SEC formal whistleblower has now entered the picture, and according to Jalopnik, drumroll, he alleges that Tesla failed to let shareholders know that the DEA had previously uncovered an alleged Mexico-based drug trafficking ring involving "large quantities" of cocaine and crystal meth at the company's Nevada Gigafactory.

Haa haaa ha!

 

[Sleek-Jet]

For the moment. But another year or 3?

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Even then. Alluding to Yellowboat's post above, more and more utilities are offering off-peak car charging rates, so that pushes that load into the off peak hours. And even those that do not, most people are home in the evenings, during typically low usage times and that is when the car gets charged.

The Super-Chargers and such are built with the infrastructure to handle the load.

Maybe if we suddenly flipped a switch and every car and truck was electric, then yeah.

Something to keep in mind, electric demand is down largely across the board, so there is lots of capacity in the grid.

 

[spectra3279]

Even then. Alluding to Yellowboat's post above, more and more utilities are offering off-peak car charging rates, so that pushes that load into the off peak hours. And even those that do not, most people are home in the evenings, during typically low usage times and that is when the car gets charged.

The Super-Chargers and such are built with the infrastructure to handle the load.

Maybe if we suddenly flipped a switch and every car and truck was electric, then yeah.

Something to keep in mind, electric demand is down largely across the board, so there is lots of capacity in the grid.

Shit. A few weeks ago there was brown outs here in kommifornia

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[highvoltagehands]

Could be HVH, but there's also this...............................

No sooner did Charlie Gasparino at Fox Business News drop the bomb today that Tesla's legal team is "bracing for billions of dollars in potential liability from private lawsuits" than a second proposed SEC formal whistleblower has now entered the picture, and according to Jalopnik, drumroll, he alleges that Tesla failed to let shareholders know that the DEA had previously uncovered an alleged Mexico-based drug trafficking ring involving "large quantities" of cocaine and crystal meth at the company's Nevada Gigafactory.

This is like a daytime soap opera. We could spend light years debating the validity of all the BS allegations that pop up in just one day. It's endless. I'm sure a few are true, most are false, but there's so many, which do you believe?
IMO: The Saudis are shareholders and don't want any lawsuits, So they're going to say "Yes We told Elon we would fund this deal". SEC Investigation over, Case closed and all lawsuits disappear. Elon probably gets at most a warning from SEC & BOD tells him STFU.
The 2 whistle blowers, may be telling a small amount of truth there, but the've over exaggerated their claims so much, they're not credible anymore.
1. An employee dealing some drugs to few others at work, happens all the time. But to say multiple drug cartels involved. Pablo/El Chapo are out of business. Calling BS.
2. Employees steeling some copper behind managers back, happens all the time. But $37 million worth? thats equal to 75 tons of scarp. Calling BS again.

Hud

 

[grumpy88]

The power grid can handle the relative handful of EV's on the road.

That's funny . I'm told I can't run my a.c. or wash my clothes till the middle of the night due to the demand it puts on our grid .

 

[regor]

This is like a daytime soap opera. We could spend light years debating the validity of all the BS allegations that pop up in just one day. It's endless. I'm sure a few are true, most are false, but there's so many, which do you believe?
IMO: The Saudis are shareholders and don't want any lawsuits, So they're going to say "Yes We told Elon we would fund this deal". SEC Investigation over, Case closed and all lawsuits disappear. Elon probably gets at most a warning from SEC & BOD tells him STFU.
The 2 whistle blowers, may be telling a small amount of truth there, but the've over exaggerated their claims so much, they're not credible anymore.
1. An employee dealing some drugs to few others at work, happens all the time. But to say multiple drug cartels involved. Pablo/El Chapo are out of business. Calling BS.
2. Employees steeling some copper behind managers back, happens all the time. But $37 million worth? thats equal to 75 tons of scarp. Calling BS again.

Hud

IDK, but I'm getting my money's worth in the cheap seats!!!!!!

 

[highvoltagehands]

People keep buying electric cars. But nobody is upgrading the power grid. What are they gonna do when it collapses
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Hey Spectra, Actually We've been upgrading the grid BIG time, adding a massive amount of capacity to system in last 5 years. Here's just a few:
2-500KV Transmission Lines into LA, 1-500KV T-Line into San Diego, 1-345KV T-line into LV.
Over 100 T-Line & more than 250 Distribution Line reconductors have also been completed boosting capacity throughout urban areas.
The state has also added 5-6 large solar farms and over 250,000 homes now have solar, reducing power needs and pumping it back into system.
Getting power to hundreds of thousands EV stations isn't going to burden the system or be an issue.

 

[highvoltagehands]

IDK, but I'm getting my money's worth in the cheap seats!!!!!!

Right! From acid tweeting, to rappers, escorts, drug cartels & insider trading what's up for tomorrow? I don't think Hollywood could make this shit up……..

 

[Taboma]

People keep buying electric cars. But nobody is upgrading the power grid. What are they gonna do when it collapses

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It's going to be a nose to nose finish between collapsing power grid and running out of water Although personally, I'm betting on the later.
Meanwhile, we'll mandate EV cars and build a few hundred thousand more homes, yup, we're good.