Tesla Continues to collapse.

[Bobby V]

Also a dealer where you can test drive one before making the large purchase.

What about the Buena Park dealer on Auto Center Drive? We worked on this location when they opened a couple years ago.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think guys buying high end cars want to know how it will compete against everything else in the class so in that regard I think a stock car should be able to cut at least a lap or two on a regular 75 degree day, but most passenger cars overheat quickly as well.
Stock automatic vettes without the z51 cooling packages are notorious for track overheating.

I think the drag strip performance is important and part of the allure of the EV drivetrain.

In terms of non stock type racing - agreed - without factory or serious backing to mod the thing its trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

UD

Half the people I know that bought them them are buying them because they are faster stoplight to stoplight than a M5/E63/RS7 etc. and tout how “amazing” the car handles and how fast it is.

They really have no reference of either really fast or really good handling cars.

That said, off the showroom floor, a GTR, 911 Turbo and a couple other cars are all that will truly consistently beat a Tesla stoplight to stoplight. Above 80 most performance sedans will out accelerate and drive by one.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Id say half no reference - the other half does.

They have plenty of converts from other Marques including my boss who has 2v12 turbo benzes and the CLK63 black series with 500+Hoersenhausen...

He inherited a p100D from his dad and is blown away by it enough so that he ordered the new roadster.

Good news is if he ever gets it Ill get a ride and or drive in it.

UD

 

[pronstar]

Road racing a Tesla is as retarded as road racing an S-Class Merc or BMW 7er.



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[Flying_Lavey]

What about the Buena Park dealer on Auto Center Drive? We worked on this location when they opened a couple years ago.

There are more dealerships that are far closer to ol' Rich that Buena Park. I'm sure there is one in Santa Clarita area (where he lives) and if not, I KNOW there is one in Burbank.

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[RitcheyRch]

I'm not aware of a Tesla dealership near me where there are vehicles that can be test driven. I always thought part of the Tesla model was to not have dealerships where cars were on display and that all of them had to be ordered.

What about the Buena Park dealer on Auto Center Drive? We worked on this location when they opened a couple years ago.

There are more dealerships that are far closer to ol' Rich that Buena Park. I'm sure there is one in Santa Clarita area (where he lives) and if not, I KNOW there is one in Burbank.

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[Uncle Dave]

I'm not aware of a Tesla dealership near me where there are vehicles that can be test driven. I always thought part of the Tesla model was to not have dealerships where cars were on display and that all of them had to be ordered.

You can you look it up online whats your closest city?

They aren't so much "dealerships" but Tessa sales offices open to the public.
Lots are at malls some in business centers, usually the cars are parked nearby.

UD

 

[RitcheyRch]

Looks like the nearest one to me is in Burbank. I googled the address and it looks like a decent size building. Website says they do service there as well but not sure if they have multiple models to test drive.

You can you look it up online whats your closest city?

They aren't so much "dealerships" but Tessa sales offices open to the public.
Lots are at malls some in business centers, usually the cars are parked nearby.

UD

 

[highvoltagehands]

Half the people I know that bought them them are buying them because they are faster stoplight to stoplight than a M5/E63/RS7 etc. and tout how “amazing” the car handles and how fast it is.

They really have no reference of either really fast or really good handling cars.

That said, off the showroom floor, a GTR, 911 Turbo and a couple other cars are all that will truly consistently beat a Tesla stoplight to stoplight. Above 80 most performance sedans will out accelerate and drive by one.

Hey my man, They might beat Tesla P90D. The P100D beat them w/ 2.3 sec 0-60, and 10.5 @125 mph 1/4 mile. You have to get to 130mph before you catch a Tesla P100D. And you can forget about catching the Roadster.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/the-quickest-cars-motor-trend-tested-in-2017/

 

[Uncle Dave]

Hey my man, They might beat Tesla P90D. The P100D beat them w/ 2.3 sec 0-60, and 10.5 @125 mph 1/4 mile. You have to get to 130mph before you catch a Tesla P100D. And you can forget about catching the Roadster.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/the-quickest-cars-motor-trend-tested-in-2017/

The p100d is an absolute monster out of the box.

jumping to the punchline - it still spun the tires starting at 30 and this was its 9nth run and pretty hot - its basically 950+ ftlb car at 0 RPM.

 

[highvoltagehands]

Looks like the nearest one to me is in Burbank. I googled the address and it looks like a decent size building. Website says they do service there as well but not sure if they have multiple models to test drive.

Tesla showrooms are large because they not only have cars for test drives, but also Home Charging Units, Battery Backup systems aka PowerBlock & Power Wall. and Solar Power Equipment displays.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hey my man, They might beat Tesla P90D. The P100D beat them w/ 2.3 sec 0-60, and 10.5 @125 mph 1/4 mile. You have to get to 130mph before you catch a Tesla P100D. And you can forget about catching the Roadster.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/the-quickest-cars-motor-trend-tested-in-2017/

For a 100D there are only a few stock gas cars that will run close.

125 in the 1/4 for a 10.5 ET means it is getting freight trained in anything longer than a 1/4 mile race.

They are blistering out of the hole. Still fast but not as impressive from a roll at street speeds.

Like I said, not much can hang with it to 80 or so. You start talking modified AWD cars making a lot of power that can hang with it 0-60.

As far as handling it is decent for what it is, but it is not a sports sedan by any means.

 

[pronstar]

Tesla cars can’t tow my toyhauler, run a race rack, conquer Baja or go 500 miles on a charge...pure garbage LOL

You can you look it up online whats your closest city?

They aren't so much "dealerships" but Tessa sales offices open to the public.
Lots are at malls some in business centers, usually the cars are parked nearby.

UD

The US is really odd when it comes to the dealer model.
It’s massively expensive to have dealerships sitting on inventory that you, the customer, actually buys.
We rely on dealers to basically guess what cars people want, then they sit on it until the right buyer comes along.

Tesla is really just adopting he model that every other country uses:
The dealership may have a few models on display and to drive.
The car you actually buy is ordered by you, and you take delivery in a few weeks.
It’s built to your exact specification.

We would call it a “special order” car, but that’s how cars are normally sold everywhere else.

It also explains why few people here get the EXACT car optioned EXACTLY how they want it...there are so many build combinations, the chance that a dealer happened to order a car to your exact specification is very slim.

We demand instant gratification and are willing to get a car that s “close enough” rather than waiting for it to get built.


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[Uncle Dave]

Tesla cars can’t tow my toyhauler, run a race rack, conquer Baja or go 500 miles on a charge...pure garbage LOL




The US is really odd when it comes to the dealer model.
It’s massively expensive to have dealerships sitting on inventory that you, the customer, actually buys.
We rely on dealers to basically guess what cars people want, then they sit on it until the right buyer comes along.

Tesla is really just adopting he model that every other country uses:
The dealership may have a few models on display and to drive.
The car you actually buy is ordered by you, and you take delivery in a few weeks.
It’s built to your exact specification.

We would call it a “special order” car, but that’s how cars are normally sold everywhere else.

It also explains why few people here get the EXACT car optioned EXACTLY how they want it...there are so many build combinations, the chance that a dealer happened to order a car to your exact specification is very slim.

We demand instant gratification and are willing to get a car that s “close enough” rather than waiting for it to get built.


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The way it works in the US is a little like Debeers. " you have to buy what I make"

The channel is forced to buy whatever the big run is, killers and lemons and the killer % is awarded on merit.

They are forced to buy it all- lots and lots of them. there are all kinds of discounts, back points and games played every car made is heavily discounted off MSRP and it's up to the dealer to keep you at the high end of the deal

the factory builds shittons of cars good and bad and sell it to the Dealer - who then has mega unsold inventory themselves of both good and bad selling vehicles- but these sales "count" even though nothing has been sold TO AN END USER, but they say " look how many cars we sold!

The Gm rep shows up and says "you are buying this lot of stuff this year and because you were good you get more XXX than the other guy sign here"- all in so its an "all in" deal - with the dealer buying hits and dogs.

THey service and support the end user with their factory sponsored shops that are attached to the dealership - all called " a dealer".

The payback for this commitment is the manufacturer cannot compete by selling direct. - that's in a nutshell how the US car dealer model works.

NADA is the lobbying council to ensure this model stays viable.

Teslas direct sell upsets this apple cart in both good and bad ways and as such is vehemently attacked by the full weight of that group regardless.

Time to put up those balloons and tents up " for an EVENT" - and get the trukote contracts ready!

This dealer, reseller, sales channel is almost always a sad mix of guys trying to eek out a living in an internet dominated world some good- most pathetic - all because the clients to sale ratio sucks at that level - and as that sucks so does your overall experience and odds of a reasonable drama free business transaction.

(most - there are some really good dealers - call them the 1%)

Working with a guy compensated differently that has 2 guys behind you ready to lay down cash it becomes a better experience as you aren't being hounded and having your keys thrown up on the roof by accident when you cant come to a deal and try to walk out.


Teslas model is like Europes in that "dealers" have no inventory.
You walk in and see one or two cars there - you pick a model and options and place an order with a deposit - at the delivery time, you make good on the loan and "sign here"...

Telsa has 2-4 buyers lined up for every car that rolls off a line.

UD

 

[pronstar]

Well, technically a US dealer orders all of the cars on their lot to their specification.

The factory has data on what the projected build percentages are...basically how popular things will be.
And the factory can incentivize dealers to order specific build combinations.

Some things are EPA limited, so the factory simply can’t make every configuration or option available at all times.

For example, a factory will typically certify the lightest possible car for CAFE testing, to get the most MPG possible. So it will lack a moonroof, as an example, which is optional on this particular car.

Since a moonroof adds considerable weight - which effect MPG - the EPA will either force the factory to re-certify the car in a moonroof configuration, or they’ll limit how many cars with moonroof can be sold.

The bean counters will look at the data and determine that the cost to re-mincertify won’t be covered by sales of cars with moonroofs, so the factory will limit how many cars are available with moonroof.

Now imagine this happening for literally hundreds if not thousands of items on every single model in your lineup, multiplied by different regs in each market you sell in...the level of effort required to navigate mind-numbing.


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[Uncle Dave]

They get a % of custom builds thats it.

WHy?

The factory rep tells them what they will be ordering because they already built them.


think about this......ever wonder why they try SO hard to get you to buy whats on the lot?



UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

Ever wonder what happened to the "mom and pop" dealer everyone liked that your grandad and dad bought from?

They couldn't commit to a lot full of dogs to help GM make their number.

UD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

They get a % of custom builds thats it.

WHy?

The factory rep tells them what they will be ordering because they already built them.


think about this......every wonder why they try SO hard to get you to buy whats on the lot?



UD

As you are no doubd aware UD, there are generally speaking far fewer individual options. There are packages now. The package may have the stuff you want, but also some stuff you don't. It is an upsell.
If you want just a moonroof, and it is $1k, they will try to sell you the car with the "comfort package" that has the moonroof included for $2K more.

They want you to buy what is on the lot to make the sale and move on to the next. The average moron does not care about another $30 per month to get the car right then and Facebook Live themselves driving their new car off the lot.

My friend went through all of that when buying his mustang. They tried to sell him every one on the lot that was the color he wanted. Finally they let him order one with the packages and couple options he wanted, and no more. He saved like $5k, but had to wait almost 2 months.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Yoru friends custom order went against that dealerships given alltment.

ever notice how no one is super interested in writing up an order from the factory from scratch? and if you get them to do it you usually get no deal? - because that's actually penalty in their world. Using up a chit for some guy that cant take what we have.

The point is - as a dealer you buy what the rep tells you to or you lose your dealership.
You accept your quota of bank buster 3000's "or well work with a dealer that will. "

Almost of the mom and pops never made it through bankruptcy because the new guys gave no shit about loyalty and needed really only one thing - allotment fulfillment.

That's why for the most part all we have now are the mega-chains or the richest of two families in a given town.

Calling these lots of cars " sold" is laughable.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The point is - as a dealer you buy what the rep tells you to or you lose your dealership.
You accept your quota of bank buster 3000's "or well work with a dealer that will. "

Almost of the mom and pops never made it through bankruptcy because the new guys gave no shit about loyalty and needed really only one thing - allotment fulfillment.

That's why for the most part all we have now are the mega-chains or the richest of two families in a given town.

Calling these lots of cars " sold" is laughable.

Certainly. But not every car needs to be custom ordered. I am sure a very high percentage of cars sold can be covered by a few different packages. And behind the scenes I'm sure there are other kickbacks and financial incentives from manufacturers for the large dealer conglomerates that make it harder for smaller dealers to compete.

I don't know if it is any more laughable than calling Tesla having deposits on cars as sold vehicles.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I don't call tesla having deposits the same as sales. - it's not at all

They don't say that either.

What it is, however, is a buyer thats already interested and has shown some level of commitment on the hook

- and that's 100% better position to be in than hoping that prospect walks in the door because of the ballons in the parking lot.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don't call tesla having deposits the same as sales. - it's not at all

They don't say that either.

What it is, however, is a buyer thats already interested and has shown some level of commitment on the hook

- and that's 100% better position to be in than hoping that prospect walks in the door because of the ballons in the parking lot.

Did I miss that someone is saying that cars on the lot are "sold"? It is probably a fair assumption that at some point they will be sold.

While I agree, the deposit is something.. It is a refundable deposit and you can tire kick a Tesla just like you can anything else.

In the end you are hoping the prospect walks on the lot, or in Teslas case walks into your store in the mall or orders one online. Each model has its pros and cons.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Did I miss that someone is saying that cars on the lot are "sold"? It is probably a fair assumption that at some point they will be sold.

While I agree, the deposit is something.. It is a refundable deposit and you can tire kick a Tesla just like you can anything else.

In the end you are hoping the prospect walks on the lot, or in Teslas case walks into your store in the mall or orders one online. Each model has its pros and cons.

They are absolutely considered sold - the auto industry considers them sold the minute the truck leaves their docks on the way to the reseller - its the dealers problem then. The reseller cannot " return" car from its lot.

Wih a small backlog, a refundable deposit means nothing - - with a year's long backlog it means a lot.
At no point in history did any car ever pre-sale anywhere NEAR the model 3.


UD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

They are absolutely considered sold - the auto industry considers them sold the minute the truck leaves their docks on the way to the reseller - its the dealers problem then. The reseller cannot " return" car from its lot.

Wih a small backlog, a refundable deposit means nothing - - with a year's long backlog it means a lot.
At no point in history did any car ever pre-sale anywhere NEAR the model 3.


UD

As far as the backlog, I ask who wants to wait 18 months+ for a car? Clearly people do but I don't know why. That is the value of the Tesla brand.

Exactly.. the car is sold from a manufacturer perspective, If you want to dice that up as a sale to a consumer, sure I agree with you it is not sold to a consumer yet, but it is comparing apples to oranges. It was sold to a re seller by the manufacturer. The payment terms are up to the re seller and the MFG. These are 2 different distribution models.

The only reason Tesla has a pre sale is because they offered it for "sale" multiple years before it arrived, and they have no dealers. The pre sale numbers are not really any mind blowing feat, it is part of the Tesla model.. Over promise that it will be available in a year, and under deliver having your car arrive to you well past the date promised, at a cost higher than what was told to you.

I can't go order a 2020 mustang GT today, for delivery in late 2020. But I can go order a Tesla 3 for "delivery" in 18 months.

 

[pronstar]

They get a % of custom builds thats it.

WHy?

The factory rep tells them what they will be ordering because they already built them.


think about this......ever wonder why they try SO hard to get you to buy whats on the lot?



UD

Car dealers order their inventory.

That’s why factories provide dealer order guides. There are also cars that the factory incentivises the dealer to order, but they’re usually hot-selling models backed by a subsidized lease offer that’s heavily advertised, and not really dogs...no one wins if a factory puts out a hot car in an unpopular color.

Dealers want you to buy what’s on their lot, because they’ve financed the car and are paying interest on it - it’s called floor planning.

Floor planning is how dealers finance all of the cars in their inventory.

And because the US sales model is setup to support dealers, incentives nearly always have a disclaimer “for vehicles in stock”.

No one wants US customers to custom-order cars, the system isn’t setup to do this efficiently.

As an independent business, with massively expensive inventory that’s financed, you really aren’t going to let a factory push crappy cars and force you to sell them, and/or eat their cost if they don’t sell.


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[Uncle Dave]

Car dealer only "orders" a % of their inventory -

The factory rams XY and Z amount of product and models right down their throats in a quid pro quo.

"Take em all or you get no trucks this year."

UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

As has been said - the models are simply completely different - but the good ole boy dealer network doesn't work like it used to .

You are told what you'll take and you take it.
That's how they move the dog in the line otherwise no one buys them and thing like corporate averages suffer.

Or you can "fight it and say I dont want yellow busybee 2000's and you simply lose the bennies of getting the high end high dollar stuff like 6.2 L trucks - and maybe your franchise if you don't play ball.

Good bad indifferent - that's the way it works.

 

[Uncle Dave]

As far as the backlog, I ask who wants to wait 18 months+ for a car? Clearly people do but I don't know why. That is the value of the Tesla brand.

Exactly.. the car is sold from a manufacturer perspective, If you want to dice that up as a sale to a consumer, sure I agree with you it is not sold to a consumer yet, but it is comparing apples to oranges. It was sold to a re seller by the manufacturer. The payment terms are up to the re seller and the MFG. These are 2 different distribution models.

The only reason Tesla has a pre sale is because they offered it for "sale" multiple years before it arrived, and they have no dealers. The pre sale numbers are not really any mind blowing feat, it is part of the Tesla model.. Over promise that it will be available in a year, and under deliver having your car arrive to you well past the date promised, at a cost higher than what was told to you.

I can't go order a 2020 mustang GT today, for delivery in late 2020. But I can go order a Tesla 3 for "delivery" in 18 months.

agreed on delivery time- Once a guy makes up his mind no one wants to wait- that's why the build on-demand model is so hard to manage.

this is why most settle for what someone has vs what they really want.

Even on models fairly current build times, the model upside is you are one step closer to the real interest than with having a middleman involved.

Incorrect about the price increase after you are allowed to place your order - once you lock the deal on the screen the price is the price.
Only the wait changes and for sure I agree - fair enough you can certainly wait a long time if you signed up for a model 3.

guys that don't lock a deal are subject to a price increase- and why shouldn't they be?

UD

 

[pronstar]

"Take em all or you get no trucks this year."

UD

It’s usually not that harsh.
But that’s how the dealers are incentivized per my posts above.

They’re independent businesses and have a choice. The factory often makes one choice more appealing than the other. Or makes one choice less shitty, if you’re a half-empty sorta person.


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[Uncle Dave]

It's more brutal than you can imagine.

UD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

agreed on delivery time- Once a guy makes up his mind no one wants to wait- that's why the build on-demand model is so hard to manage.

this is why most settle for what someone has vs what they really want.

Even on models fairly current build times, the model upside is you are one step closer to the real interest than with having a middleman involved.

Incorrect about the price increase after you are allowed to place your order - once you lock the deal on the screen the price is the price.
Only the wait changes and for sure I agree - fair enough you can certainly wait a long time if you signed up for a model 3.

guys that don't lock a deal are subject to a price increase- and why shouldn't they be?

UD

Agreed.. but what if I put a deposit on a base model 3 that they wont make for another year? I don't know if such a thing happened, or if the deposit is just to hold your place in line to configure a car. I believe it is the latter.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It's more brutal than you can imagine.

UD

Even if it is.. the dealers are not saddled with tons of cars they wont ever sell. They all seem to move eventually. And they can trade each other for cars they do not have if they have a customer that wants a particular configuration that is not there.

The dealer model trades accuracy for speed. The Tesla model is slow, but you get the car you order.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Agreed.. but what if I put a deposit on a base model 3 that they wont make for another year? I don't know if such a thing happened, or if the deposit is just to hold your place in line to configure a car. I believe it is the latter.

Initially, it was just to hold a slot you are correct.

I believe the configurator will take you all the way to a built price and commit just a week ago.

We all know he never delivers on time, but it currently between the model divisions you can get a higher one osrta kinda quick(er)

UD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Initially, it was just to hold a slot you are correct.

I believe the configurator will take you all the way to a built price and commit just a week ago.

We all know he never delivers on time, but it currently between the model divisions you can get a higher one osrta kinda quick(er)

UD

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Sure.. But don't you think it is chicken shit for those that thought "Tesla for $35K???!!! Take my money ELON!!" and will be waiting almost 3 years for the car they originally wanted? If Tesla can up sell them to a $60K car, great but what percentage of deposits is that gonna be?

 

[Uncle Dave]

Even if it is.. the dealers are not saddled with tons of cars they wont ever sell. They all seem to move eventually. And they can trade each other for cars they do not have if they have a customer that wants a particular configuration that is not there.

The dealer model trades accuracy for speed. The Tesla model is slow, but you get the car you order.

It also ensures you get raped for the popular stuff like limited edition pickups and special hellcat type models and desirable vettes and popular packages - and people get vastly different deals all over the map.

That's a plus or minus depending on who you are.

Telsa with its model treats everyone equally poorly.


UD

 

[pronstar]

It also ensures you get raped for the popular stuff like limited edition pickups and special hellcat type models and desirable vettes and popular packages - and people get vastly different deals all over the map.

That's a plus or minus depending on who you are.

Telsa with its model treats everyone equally poorly.


UD

I see you’re a half-empty kinda person [emoji4][emoji90]

For some reason, people like special editions that ain’t all that special.

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[LargeOrangeFont]

It also ensures you get raped for the popular stuff like limited edition pickups and special hellcat type models and desirable vettes and popular packages - and people get vastly different deals all over the map.

That's a plus or minus depending on who you are.

Telsa with its model treats everyone equally poorly.


UD

That is part of the fun UD.

That is why I never buy "new" cars (especially performance variants) when they come out, but that is just me.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Sure.. But don't you think it is chicken shit for those that thought "Tesla for $35K???!!! Take my money ELON!!" and will be waiting almost 3 years for the car they originally wanted? If Tesla can up sell them to a $60K car, great but what percentage of deposits is that gonna be?

standard future stuff- everything late and there are always *** to read and look at.

I think something like 80% were just fine buying a higher end car with more range and features than the base car anyway.

The low-end guys should know they never get preferential delivery treatment.

They arent losing enough backorder to matter and converting nearly every car they order.

D

 

[Uncle Dave]

That is part of the fun UD.

That is why I never buy "new" cars (especially performance variants) when they come out, but that is just me.

I see you’re a half-empty kinda person [emoji4][emoji90]

For some reason, people like special editions that ain’t all that special.

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Kind of

The packaging creates " special editions"

example -

the 6.2 isnt really available in the lower end trucks so to get the engine you want you have to order the super premium packages or take a 5.3 - no thanks. So the 5.3 ttruck get the discounts and the 6.2 package gets list near or over because " its the XXX package" and Gm only made 7K for all of the US and they are all sold before they are made.

Thats the stuff you get to order- but you have to take 20 shitbox 3000's to get 10 orders like that.

that's the truck on the floor INSIDE the dealership with 3-5K on top of the list

 

[Husqy510]

I didn't read all the post, but we did get a model 3 a few months ago, so if anyone wants to know what we think after a few months of ownership feel free to PM me.

I can tell you its faster than my new mustang (with performance package) from stop light to stop light. Infact its probably faster to 80-100, but I'll never find out. I've owned a few quick street cars and these Tesla's are pretty amazing. I read somewhere that the model 3 is one of the quickest cars from 50-70.

 

[Uncle Dave]

How long did you wait and "roughly" how much did you spend?

Thanks.

UD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Kind of

The packaging creates " special editions"

example -

the 6.2 isnt really available in the lower end trucks so to get the engine you want you have to order the super premium packages or take a 5.3 - no thanks. So the 5.3 ttruck get the discounts and the 6.2 package gets list near or over because " its the XXX package" and Gm only made 7K for all of the US and they are all sold before they are made.

Thats the stuff you get to order- but you have to take 20 shitbox 3000's to get 10 orders like that.

that's the truck on the floor INSIDE the dealership with 3-5K on top of the list

But they sell all the other shitbox trucks, so does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? The net-net of both sales models is the same. You pay to get exactly what you want. They don't make many 6.2 1/2 tons because there is not a huge demand, and/or they want to upsell you to a 3/4 ton. I'd argue you can get a better deal with the dealership model with a well timed purchase of a non unique car. A Tesla is pretty much the same price all the time.

Speaking of pre orders, My wife and I ordered her Scion TC back in 2005. We went to many dealers and they tried to sell us ones with body kits and extra crap for thousands more. We walked into Longo Toyota and were out in 30 mins, It was a $1k deposit, we ordered a base car and she has the car less than 6 weeks later, for sticker.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

"When Cortez landed in the new world, he burned his ships. As a result, his men were well motivated." - Marco Ramius

Best movie ever.

 

[Uncle Dave]

It matters to the guy paying 5K over sticker. Half ton trucks are the best selling vehicle in the US.

I think you and I could get the deal and some other guys here

- other guys - end up huckleberries taken to the cleaners trukote and all.


UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

Best movie ever.

pretty close- I quote lines for this movie all the time.

1 ping only.

UD

 

[mjc]

How long is a pit stop? > NASCAR pit crews are key to a driver's success.
Crews aim to complete the stop inside 12 seconds.
Head coach of the 48 pit crew at Hendrick Motorsports explains the art of pit crew.
During a NASCAR race, drivers do hundreds of laps at speeds of more than 300 kilometers per hour

How long is to replace a battery in a Tesla?

Have you ever watched formula E racing? they have pit stops and just swap cars.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It matters to the guy paying 5K over sticker. Half ton trucks are the best selling vehicle in the US.

I think you and I could get the deal and some other guys here

- other guys - end up huckleberries taken to the cleaners trukote and all.

UD

LOL. They want to be taken. Look how many Raptors guys spent $7-10K over sticker on. and TRD Pro 4Runners people paid $50K for there are running around!

My friend was at the Ford dealer getting his airbags replaced in his Mustang and said there was a GT350 there that was marked up $10K.

There is an ass for every seat.

 

[pronstar]

If you advertise a car for sale at a specific price in a given area, it has to be available to consumers in that area.

There’s literally an FTC division that has funds (from penalizing factories and dealers) and staffing to enforce this.

So I’m not really clear how Tesla was able to get away with the Mode 3 $35k bait and switch.


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[Uncle Dave]

If you advertise a car for sale at a specific price in a given area, it has to be available to consumers in that area.

There’s literally an FTC division that has funds (from penalizing factories and dealers) and staffing to enforce this.
So I’m not really clear how Tesla was able to get away with the Mode 3 $35k bait and switch.
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You have to advertise a SPECIFIC car, for a specific price, claim its available for purchase, and issue a call to action where to go pick it up - for bait and switch to come into play.

Not having had built any, and not giving an actual delivery date to anyone when they announced the base model - Tesla sidesteps bait and switch.

Different than saying -

"I have a white Toyota Corolla with a sunroof and mag wheels for 9999.99 for sale on my lot - so come to my place and buy it - then not having it.
Or even more critically -not ever having had it.

This is why ringer lowball models in ads always publish the one VIN # of the one model that's super cheap.

Is it marginal and lame - yeah, but no ones taken a bait and switch suit to him for a reason.

UD

 

[SBMech]

Chinese hackers control Tesla brakes, lights from 12 miles away
This time, it was the good kind of hackers, and Tesla has since fixed the vulnerability (this one, anyway)

A team of hackers in China gained remote access to a Tesla Model S and manipulated systems including the brakes, The Hacker News reports. Thankfully, the hackers were not the bad kind -- they were researchers from Keen Security Lab -- though their ability to gain access to a Tesla's controller area network (CAN Bus) demonstrated security flaws that could be exploited by those wanting to do harm.

The brakes weren't the only system the security researchers were able to control (from a distance of 12 miles): The trunk lid, turn signals, mirrors, sunroof, windshield wipers and infotainment screen could all be accessed remotely.

"As far as we know, this is the first case of remote attack which compromises CAN Bus to achieve remote controls on Tesla cars," the security researchers wrote in their blog describing the vulnerability. "We have verified the attack vector on multiple varieties of Tesla Model S."

Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/technol...ckers-china-gain-access-model-s#ixzz5Ksubj4Zc

Hmm. This is just what I thought was going to happen, there is no such thing as a secure OTA system.

Sure they patched it, but how long until someone gets in for real and starts to create mayhem?