Start adding zero's to the check.

[Danger Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1627294568138907648

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Part of the issue is you can’t fight back, if you do it’s far too often a death sentence on the spot. These guys are getting off on what they are doing to him…you can hear it in how they treat him. Self defense is not allowed, you just have to take being assaulted, railroaded etc…

That cop needs to sit in a box for ducking years…but he won’t and will probably get a fucking promotion while the county cuts a check.

This is beyond fucked. Innocent until proven guilty is long over.

 

[River Runnin]

That there's a couple Flat Top fukers that need a heavy baseball bat to the head!

 

[C-Ya]

Here is what I know about this sort of shit………. As soon as the guy is injured by law enforcement for whatever reason, they must be charged with obstruction in order to justify the injuries they have inflicted on victim. The video is a perfect example.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

FYI the “suspect” suffered a couple broken bones from that slam.

They need to be held personally liable…that would stop a lot of this shit

 

[4Waters]

That was a white guy and that kind of shit only happens to black people, CGI is looking more and more real.

That was definitely excessive use of force, the dude should have dropped his backpack the first time he was asked but he didn't fight the cop when he was removing it for him and all he was doing was asking a question.

 

[Bajastu]

I’m in no way a cop hater what so ever but these pigs need to be held accountable for false allegations and fucking up this dude. The money train just pulled away from the city and is going straight to this man’s pocket due to these guys being on edge, not treating this guy with respect, or informing him of why they are detaining him without cuffing him or fucking him up. He obviously wasn’t a threat.

Cops like this that can’t make a sound judgement call should not be on the force. The man didn’t even struggle or resist. He just wanted a simple answer to address the detainment.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

FYI the “suspect” suffered a couple broken bones from that slam.

They need to be held personally liable…that would stop a lot of this shit

No they don’t, no it wouldn’t, and that would make all of us even less safe than we already are.

 

[t&y]

Here is what I know about this sort of shit………. As soon as the guy is injured by law enforcement for whatever reason, they must be charged with obstruction in order to justify the injuries they have inflicted on victim. The video is a perfect example.

Here is what I know about this sort of shit............ You are wrong.

 

[t&y]

Part of the issue is you can’t fight back, if you do it’s far too often a death sentence on the spot. These guys are getting off on what they are doing to him…you can hear it in how they treat him. Self defense is not allowed, you just have to take being assaulted, railroaded etc…

That cop needs to sit in a box for ducking years…but he won’t and will probably get a fucking promotion while the county cuts a check.

This is beyond fucked. Innocent until proven guilty is long over.

Yeah okay. I've used force on hundreds if not thousands of people during arrests. Haven't issued a death sentence or killed any of them. If you have at least a couple brain cells still functioning, you fight back with words and lawsuits, not physical resistance. But what do I know...

 

[buck35]

No they don’t, no it wouldn’t, and that would make all of us even less safe than we already are.

By God you actually do know everything absolutely everything

 

[regor]

I will say this, that cop asked that young man to put his hands behind his back a number of times.

I don't like this stuff, but...........

 

[LAPII]

Just curious instead of going off of a snippet of video, what's the background of the stop? Radio call? Did someone call and describe that guy doing something? Or are you saying the cop just felt like slamming the guy, while haphazardly on patrol?

 

[Danger Dave]

Context. Dude will still get paid.

GBI investigating use-of-force incident by Paulding County Sheriff's deputy

Dash camera video of the incident is circulating on the internet.

www.fox5atlanta.com

 

[FROGMAN524]

Yeah it sucks for that guy but if you take indemnity away from LE, say goodbye to recruitment. Nobody is gonna take on personal liability for that job.

 

[t&y]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1627294568138907648

The Hodge twins are pretty good at calling bullshit when they see it. I will give them that. I know it is crazy to think there might be a bit more to this story that what we know..... Nahhhh.. totally crazy for sure.

Here is a bit of knowledge that I'd love for the experts, even some related to attorneys, to evaluate and comment one. Based on what we know, the cops were looking for a possible vehicle burglary suspect in the area, on foot, with a backpack. I'd be nice to get a bit more descriptive, but we do not have that. He detains the guy based off of reasonable suspicion, warns him multiple times, and then takes him down. Right before he takes him down the guy begins to turn towards the cop. The cop takes him down, handcuffs him, and the investigation continues.

I know the arm chair quarter backs are salivating right now becuase they all known exactly how these types of investigations should go of course. Could that officer have handled that differently? Absofuckinglutely! Did the cop, based on what we know, have a right to detain and use "reasonable" force to continue his investigation? Absofuckinglutley! Is that guy going to get paid regardless of whether he was the guy they were looking for, which comes down to could he have been identified in the field? Absofuckinglutely!

I know it's hard to watch, and there is always a better way to do things. This one will be interesting as unfortunately for the BLM types that guy doesn't seem to fit the narrative of the normal victim. I guess we will just have to wait and see how much money he makes.

So many questions need to be answered to make a final opinion on the "reasonableness" of the officers' actions that the majority on here don't even know exist. But I digress... just another thread where the usual posters will talk trash. All good with me, we are all entitled to our opinions.

 

[boatpi]

No matter what you’re thinking always do is an officer tells you just submit to detention or arrest. whatever it maybe you’ll come out ahead at the end of the day. You don’t hold court and pitch a bitch in the middle of the street or detention even if you’re right bad things can happen.

I’ll get your case in court or with a lawsuit later not at the moment. Use your brain.

 

[t&y]

Yeah it sucks for that guy but if you take indemnity away from LE, say goodbye to recruitment. Nobody is gonna take on personal liability for that job.

Not just that. Cops will become fireman and just sit and wait. Show up, ask for people to comply nicely, and only act when life is being taken. It's coming, and the citizens will reap the repercussions unfortunately.

 

[t&y]

Yeah it sucks for that guy but if you take indemnity away from LE, say goodbye to recruitment. Nobody is gonna take on personal liability for that job.

Recruitment is already in the toilet. Nobody wants to face the liability as it is. Scary times ahead. I suggest everyone be very familiar with the self-defense laws in their state, and invest in some high quality security cameras (Audio and visual) and know what to say while being recorded encountering someone getting ready to do you or your loved ones harm.

 

[LAPII]

The Hodgetwins should know better than making a simple social media statement as such, and that comment, makes it seem simply like the cop was picking on him. There was a call that was generated with descriptors about criminal activity, and without getting into "comply or die" debate also. It is well known that some bad guys, like to distract coppers (i.e "what did I do wrong", "I just live right there" or just straight "Why") on the initial detention, so they can calculate to flee or attack. Cops by themselves, as proven a million times over (by funerals) don't have a lot of luxury in the first few seconds of a detention. The outcome of that interaction is routine with involving GBI and lawsuit as stated in the article....do to the "Optics" aka "public opinion" on how police work should be conducted. Just stating food for thought, not trying to argue with OG poster.

 

[LuauLounge]

Early on, I learned police officers aren't interested in my opinions standing on the side of the road.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

By God you actually do know everything absolutely everything

To someone that knows nothing about anything I guess it would appear that way.

Not just that. Cops will become fireman and just sit and wait. Show up, ask for people to comply nicely, and only act when life is being taken. It's coming, and the citizens will reap the repercussions unfortunately.

See, buck, this @t&y guy seems to live and know what many of us already understand.

 

[Backlash]

The deputies had "Reasonable suspicion" to stop and detain him based on the call for service and the fact he may have closely matched the description of the vehicle burglary suspect. They had every lawful reason to stop him and detain him. But that's about it. They then need to develop "Probable cause" in order to arrest him. Maybe they had that information, maybe they didn't. I don't know. But I would have to say, in my opinion, that was a bit excessive on the Deputy's part. He should have sat the dude down and explained why he was being contacted and detained. At least that's what I would have done.

 

[bonesfab]

Maybe if the libtards would start holding the criminals to the same standards they want to hold the cops to, there would be peace on the streets. The cop maybe in the wrong but he has a gun and knows how to use it. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 goes both ways.

 

[River Runnin]

I'm not a cop hater at all! --- But no matter how many times I watch that from the armchair! Those two power trip'n fucktards were out of line! There was no reason for the Bullshit they (the fat fucker anyway) did! -- And let's face it! ALL cops have Reasonable suspicion and Probable cause for EVERYONE THEY LOOK AT!

 

[Desert Whaler]

One commonality is see in almost EVERY single incident like this . . . . the subject is asked, told, or ordered to do something MULTIPLE times.
But never does !!!!

Now . . . are ALL of them going after the 'You don't have the legal right' routine ????

Helllooooo . . . Mr Possible Suspect . . . the 'clue phone' is ringing, it's for You . . . 'Now is not the time for negotiations , unless you want your skull tap-danced on'.

I'm sorry . . . walking around at night, dressed in dark clothes, looking like Charles Manson wearing a backpack . . . WTF did You think was gonna happen?!?!?!

Was it excessive???? . . . . I haven't dealt with arresting dudes . . . but I can see that after a while of dealing with this shit, and someone once again not doing what I ask, say, or tell . . . my patience would wear thin, and next thing you know, this goes down.

The way psychos are acting more and more often now, I'd imagine many cops have much shorter fuses. Sadly a by-product of where we are at as a country.

The fat boy may or may not have been out of line . . . but I bet he just wants to go home to his family in one piece.
If dipshit would've complied (again), he wouldn't have taken a ride on the suplex express.

 

[Orange Juice]

One commonality is see in almost EVERY single incident like this . . . . the subject is asked, told, or ordered to do something MULTIPLE times.
But never does !!!!

Now . . . are ALL of them going after the 'You don't have the legal right' routine ????

Helllooooo . . . Mr Possible Suspect . . . the 'clue phone' is ringing, it's for You . . . 'Now is not the time for negotiations , unless you want your skull tap-danced on'.

I'm sorry . . . walking around at night, dressed in dark clothes, looking like Charles Manson wearing a backpack . . . WTF did You think was gonna happen?!?!?!

Was it excessive???? . . . . I haven't dealt with arresting dudes . . . but I can see that after a while of dealing with this shit, and someone once again not doing what I ask, say, or tell . . . my patience would wear thin, and next thing you know, this goes down.

The way psychos are acting more and more often now, I'd imagine many cops have much shorter fuses. Sadly a by-product of where we are at as a country.

The fat boy may or may not have been out of line . . . but I bet he just wants to go home to his family in one piece.
If dipshit would've complied (again), he wouldn't have taken a ride on the suplex express.

Not everybody has had a great experience with the police. Some don’t get their since of humor.

Experienced cops would not have let this escalate into a situation.

 

[buck35]

To someone that knows nothing about anything I guess it would appear that way.



See, buck, this @t&y guy seems to live and know what many of us already understand.

Funny, never had an altercation with LE. Carry on

 

[DLC]

I like how in 54 seconds from contact that guy is resisting and doesn’t really know or understand what’s going on….

The way I see it is, The cop should have started cracking skulks before the 30 second mark after all he did say in fast repetition take off your back pack 3 times !

that alone is a capital crime!!

The Highly trained professional, 9 year veteran police officer. Needs more training! The prep could have been all kinds of things going on -

hearing impaired, disabled

it’s early AM and some people don’t respond that fast

and in 54 seconds could not make a correct diagnosis

at 50 seconds says your being detained for possible breaking into a car and you fit the description, 4 seconds later - boom!


That prep won’t need to go to work anymore!

Larry H Parker ….

 

[DLC]

18 seconds in

highly trained cop issued 3 orders

ear buds didn’t get removed until 9 seconds

30 seconds later on the ground…

The cop had this case all wrapped before Doughnut hut opened up for business!

lawyer is going to eat this cop and a department for snack….

 

[hallett21]

The Hodge twins are pretty good at calling bullshit when they see it. I will give them that. I know it is crazy to think there might be a bit more to this story that what we know..... Nahhhh.. totally crazy for sure.

Here is a bit of knowledge that I'd love for the experts, even some related to attorneys, to evaluate and comment one. Based on what we know, the cops were looking for a possible vehicle burglary suspect in the area, on foot, with a backpack. I'd be nice to get a bit more descriptive, but we do not have that. He detains the guy based off of reasonable suspicion, warns him multiple times, and then takes him down. Right before he takes him down the guy begins to turn towards the cop. The cop takes him down, handcuffs him, and the investigation continues.

I know the arm chair quarter backs are salivating right now becuase they all known exactly how these types of investigations should go of course. Could that officer have handled that differently? Absofuckinglutely! Did the cop, based on what we know, have a right to detain and use "reasonable" force to continue his investigation? Absofuckinglutley! Is that guy going to get paid regardless of whether he was the guy they were looking for, which comes down to could he have been identified in the field? Absofuckinglutely!

I know it's hard to watch, and there is always a better way to do things. This one will be interesting as unfortunately for the BLM types that guy doesn't seem to fit the narrative of the normal victim. I guess we will just have to wait and see how much money he makes.

So many questions need to be answered to make a final opinion on the "reasonableness" of the officers' actions that the majority on here don't even know exist. But I digress... just another thread where the usual posters will talk trash. All good with me, we are all entitled to our opinions.

Honest question. On that take down, when the guy is deemed innocent, let’s say he was severely injured. What’s the protocol then? My guess is that the city/county/municipality will be on the hook for millions right?

That take down had a lot of risk imo. Planting someone’s head on the asphalt comes with risks lol.

 

[hallett21]

As a civilian who backs the blue…. I think this officer could have just said his peace right out of the gate.

“You match the description of someone we’re looking for”. Hands behind your back, cuffs and set them on the ground.

That flip move only put the officer and/or “suspect” in physical danger. Not sure how far a guy can run with cuffs behind his back?

 

[hallett21]

I’ve watched this video now 7 times. What’s the reason that the officer could get the backpack off of the guy but not put handcuffs on him? I don’t see anything that the “suspect” does that warrants that take down.

The “suspect” seems to be fairly compliant and sincerely confused. Before we go down a rabbit hole, hypoglycemic patients present as confused as well. And LEO are trained to recognize that. That’s not the case here but going from zero to 100 doesn’t seem justified here.

 

[DLC]

I’ve watched this video now 7 times. What’s the reason that the officer could get the backpack off of the guy but not put handcuffs on him? I don’t see anything that the “suspect” does that warrants that take down.

The “suspect” seems to be fairly compliant and sincerely confused. Before we go down a rabbit hole, hypoglycemic patients present as confused as well. And LEO are trained to recognize that. That’s not the case here but going from zero to 100 doesn’t seem justified here.

All In 100% in 54 seconds….

the cop thought he had the actual bad guy!


Judge, jury and execution in 54 seconds! Cop could of crippled that guy for steering gum out of a glove box, or loose change from the ash tray…

 

[LAPII]

Honest question. On that take down, when the guy is deemed innocent, let’s say he was severely injured. What’s the protocol then? My guess is that the city/county/municipality will be on the hook for millions right?

That take down had a lot of risk imo. Planting someone’s head on the asphalt comes with risks lol.

Depends, if cop found out of policy, maybe millions. But routinely, lawyer will file on behalf of the young guy, and city will offer 6 zero settlement or lesser amount, and depending on the guys situation he will take what he can get and the lawyer will take the most. Most common practice, at least in LA.

 

[was thatguy]

Honest question. On that take down, when the guy is deemed innocent, let’s say he was severely injured. What’s the protocol then? My guess is that the city/county/municipality will be on the hook for millions right?

That take down had a lot of risk imo. Planting someone’s head on the asphalt comes with risks lol.

Throw in a taser deployment and it’d be over $6.5 million not counting inflation from like 8 years ago, if Bryce Masters is any indication. Oh, plus 4 years in prison for the tough guy.
Oh…and he was a deputies kid. You or I don’t stand a chance.

 

[C-Ya]

Does this look like Felony resisting arrest? That is what this guy got charged with!

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I'm usually in the "do what the cops says and nothing bad will happen", but it seems like the guy was complying just not at the pace the officer would have liked.

And yes, I realize things can go from zero to a hundred pretty quick, but before the take down it looked like the officer was in control of everything.

I don't envy a cops job for a second.

 

[boatpi]

My point as to submitting to an officers request truly needs to be adhered to. If anyone elects to disobey such a minor and quite possible legal detention and resist, or even fight an officer, it could cost you great harm or your life.

It is as simple as that. While I do disagree with the restraining of this person in that manner, the officers may be 100% legally on good ground to detain him, and as the supreme court has ruled, a legal right to search him for weapons. This can include removing the back pack, perhaps not searching it, without consent, but maybe so depending on the information the officer received. Another note, a crook is 24/7 seeking a was to BS officers and ALWAYS looking for a way to escape, when yhey keep repeating your words back to you, they are more often than not attempting to distract your attention and escape or gain access to a weapon. Been their, done that including a number of shootings. Survival is #1 every day. And I worked South LA for 12 years, voice of experience.

If anyone believes they "will not summit" to a legal detention, considering you at the time DO NOT have all of the information that an officer does, well......you need to look in the mirror as you 100% have the wrong thought process and are legally incorrect. Think it over, the results of acting like judge and jury in the street can be deadly to you, or very hurtful. Court is not held in the street.

The wisest officers, and most successful, constantly study search and seizure law and court rulings. I did often, it is the foundation for a successful prosecution. In 32 years I lost one prosecution out of thousands, and never had a search warrant quashed. I recall one of my first days in college law class, the professor told us, "only a peace officer or a judge can take away/interfere with a individuals civil rights by detaining or arresting a person".

If that detention or arrest was legal or not is for a court to decide.

 

[Backlash]

Honest question. On that take down, when the guy is deemed innocent, let’s say he was severely injured. What’s the protocol then? My guess is that the city/county/municipality will be on the hook for millions right?

That take down had a lot of risk imo. Planting someone’s head on the asphalt comes with risks lol.

Maybe not millions, but the city/county will absolutely be on the hook, and will pay out. They will be responsible for whatever medical bills are incurred from that incident, and may be liable for other financial responsibilities as well.

 

[Bajastu]

Just a bit of info, Tyler Canaris was not the person they were looking for. He was charged with obstruction of LEO oviously due to the cop taking down the individual and causing harm,"You need to cover the bases". Seems like a bullshit charge. Since the media took note of this "leaked video" the department is now under investigation by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation . The arresting officer is desk bound during this investigation. A broken collar bone and a concussion is a result of the inappropriate takedown.

 

[jetboatperformance]

Am I naive in thinking maybe a simple greeting and question answer deal might have been in order , last time I got stopped it was "twenty questions" right off the bat , where do you live , where are you going etc (Honestly thought alot were out of line but I answered..

 

[RandyH]

I would have definitely submitted and gladly sat in the cruiser until Barney Fife's investigation was concluded. Maybe he would have shared one of his dozen glazer donuts with me. And given me a ride to work the rest of the way for making me late to work.

 

[EmpirE231]

I’ve watched this video now 7 times. What’s the reason that the officer could get the backpack off of the guy but not put handcuffs on him? I don’t see anything that the “suspect” does that warrants that take down.

The “suspect” seems to be fairly compliant and sincerely confused. Before we go down a rabbit hole, hypoglycemic patients present as confused as well. And LEO are trained to recognize that. That’s not the case here but going from zero to 100 doesn’t seem justified here.

This cop was obviously the "shut up and submit" type.... not really the rational type.

 

[lbhsbz]

My point as to submitting to an officers request truly needs to be adhered to. If anyone elects to disobey such a minor and quite possible legal detention and resist, or even fight an officer, it could cost you great harm or your life.

It is as simple as that. While I do disagree with the restraining of this person in that manner, the officers may be 100% legally on good ground to detain him, and as the supreme court has ruled, a legal right to search him for weapons. This can include removing the back pack, perhaps not searching it, without consent, but maybe so depending on the information the officer received. Another note, a crook is 24/7 seeking a was to BS officers and ALWAYS looking for a way to escape, when yhey keep repeating your words back to you, they are more often than not attempting to distract your attention and escape or gain access to a weapon. Been their, done that including a number of shootings. Survival is #1 every day. And I worked South LA for 12 years, voice of experience.

If anyone believes they "will not summit" to a legal detention, considering you at the time DO NOT have all of the information that an officer does, well......you need to look in the mirror as you 100% have the wrong thought process and are legally incorrect. Think it over, the results of acting like judge and jury in the street can be deadly to you, or very hurtful. Court is not held in the street.

The wisest officers, and most successful, constantly study search and seizure law and court rulings. I did often, it is the foundation for a successful prosecution. In 32 years I lost one prosecution out of thousands, and never had a search warrant quashed. I recall one of my first days in college law class, the professor told us, "only a peace officer or a judge can take away/interfere with a individuals civil rights by detaining or arresting a person".

If that detention or arrest was legal or not is for a court to decide.

So, just because I'm wearing jeans and the same color T-shirt and happen to be the same height as 70% of the male population....this gives LEO the right to pull this shit when I just happen to be walking down the street minding my own business?

Sorry, that's bullshit.

The language from the cops in that video was anything but professional. If you want to try and justify any of this as SOP of a professional law enforcement outfit, the language used by the officers just blew that out the window.

If you think this is OK, you're part of the problem. I support the police, but this was bullshit.

 

[River Runnin]

Ya! boat pi's post dropped him a few notches of respect for it!

 

[spectra3279]

My point as to submitting to an officers request truly needs to be adhered to. If anyone elects to disobey such a minor and quite possible legal detention and resist, or even fight an officer, it could cost you great harm or your life.

It is as simple as that. While I do disagree with the restraining of this person in that manner, the officers may be 100% legally on good ground to detain him, and as the supreme court has ruled, a legal right to search him for weapons. This can include removing the back pack, perhaps not searching it, without consent, but maybe so depending on the information the officer received. Another note, a crook is 24/7 seeking a was to BS officers and ALWAYS looking for a way to escape, when yhey keep repeating your words back to you, they are more often than not attempting to distract your attention and escape or gain access to a weapon. Been their, done that including a number of shootings. Survival is #1 every day. And I worked South LA for 12 years, voice of experience.

If anyone believes they "will not summit" to a legal detention, considering you at the time DO NOT have all of the information that an officer does, well......you need to look in the mirror as you 100% have the wrong thought process and are legally incorrect. Think it over, the results of acting like judge and jury in the street can be deadly to you, or very hurtful. Court is not held in the street.

The wisest officers, and most successful, constantly study search and seizure law and court rulings. I did often, it is the foundation for a successful prosecution. In 32 years I lost one prosecution out of thousands, and never had a search warrant quashed. I recall one of my first days in college law class, the professor told us, "only a peace officer or a judge can take away/interfere with a individuals civil rights by detaining or arresting a person".

If that detention or arrest was legal or not is for a court to decide.

My problem with that is when the officer has information like clothes color and hair color. Yet they go after someone that does not fit that description. At what point in your opion can I question the officer as to why he is detaining me. Based on what you have said, I really can't ask any questions.

Submit and do what your told. That has never worked out all that great for or with Americans.

 

[boatpi]

Not everyone would agree, but if you don’t like my answer is it is what it is that’s how the courts have ruled. If you think you’ve been slighted, that’s fine take it up after everything is done in the field.
And you may not agree with. As To court rulings, I cannot change that.

Anyone with a different legal info on detention jump in. Courts give officers a reasonable amount of latitude in lawful detentions.
As an example I believe LAPD conducts nearly one million a year. In California over 800,000 arrests occur yearly, I can just imagine
The gross number of detentions beyond
That number.

 

[PlumLoco]

I've told the story here before. I was pulled out of my car at gunpoint, while parked at Stater Bros. listening to the radio. I'm a 6'6" white guy, and driving a white Ford Taurus in the early 1990's. After being treated to some mild physical assault by a couple Corona cops, I was stood up in a dark parking lot, with cop headlights in my face, so that the little old lady who had been purse snatched an hour earlier, could tell Corona PD that no, I wasn't the guy. Turns out she told them her assailant was a 5'8" black guy who left in a white Ford Taurus.
Afterwards I went down to the Police station to file a complaint. They flatly refused to give me the proper forms to do so. I came to Corona when I was 2 years old. I went to school with half of the old timers in that department. Corona PD will never have my respect again after how I was treated.
This was the third time I have been pulled out at gunpoint. First time was when I was 16. I will continue to be compliant, if it happens again.

 

[C-Ya]

My point as to submitting to an officers request truly needs to be adhered to. If anyone elects to disobey such a minor and quite possible legal detention and resist, or even fight an officer, it could cost you great harm or your life.

It is as simple as that. While I do disagree with the restraining of this person in that manner, the officers may be 100% legally on good ground to detain him, and as the supreme court has ruled, a legal right to search him for weapons. This can include removing the back pack, perhaps not searching it, without consent, but maybe so depending on the information the officer received. Another note, a crook is 24/7 seeking a was to BS officers and ALWAYS looking for a way to escape, when yhey keep repeating your words back to you, they are more often than not attempting to distract your attention and escape or gain access to a weapon. Been their, done that including a number of shootings. Survival is #1 every day. And I worked South LA for 12 years, voice of experience.

If anyone believes they "will not summit" to a legal detention, considering you at the time DO NOT have all of the information that an officer does, well......you need to look in the mirror as you 100% have the wrong thought process and are legally incorrect. Think it over, the results of acting like judge and jury in the street can be deadly to you, or very hurtful. Court is not held in the street.

The wisest officers, and most successful, constantly study search and seizure law and court rulings. I did often, it is the foundation for a successful prosecution. In 32 years I lost one prosecution out of thousands, and never had a search warrant quashed. I recall one of my first days in college law class, the professor told us, "only a peace officer or a judge can take away/interfere with a individuals civil rights by detaining or arresting a person".

If that detention or arrest was legal or not is for a court to decide.

The 4th amendment to the constitution is why the above answer is wrong……

Would you like some Supreme Court rulings that agree with my statement?

Remember……. Suspicion is neither a misdemeanor nor a felony? The Supreme Court has ruled that suspicion in itself is not enough reason to detain someone. If it were………. Your rights would fold the moment the cop claimed you are suspicious.

Most cops can’t even recite the constitution, which they have sworn to uphold.

The internet is filled with cop videos in which the officer truly doesn’t know the law or constitution. That is part of the problem when it takes longer to become a hairdresser than a cop. 15 minutes of constitutional training is insufficient.

The thousands of videos on the internet pretty much make my point for me. It’s an epidemic.

Here is what I tell cops……….. “I don’t answer questions.” The constitution backs me up…… The only other words I might say is……. “I need to speak with your supervisor” (that’s only if I feel my rights are being violated) also…… What is your name and badge number? Other than that…… Am I being detained? Or am I free to go?

Being married to lawyer has certainly helped me become educated on my rights. I actually enjoy the verbal judo if you must know, since the only person that is going to be asking questions is ME. Until I have broken the law….. I am in charge. It is not the other way around, which is what most cops think. When you have not broken the law, the officer is a public servant, and you are the public. It is really that simple.

No need to bow down and just give up your rights. That is awful advice.