Start adding zero's to the check.

[DLC]

So if you have been wronged and have to defend yourself

it’s AT your EXPENSE the costs of $10‘s of thousands of dollars in legal fee’s are out of your pocket for some trumped up charge/ intimidation tactic

the video C-ya put up took a year to drop the charges….
A 5 minute conversation would have ended that and everyone moved on….

 

[River Runnin]

And let's face it! ALL cops have Reasonable suspicion and Probable cause for EVERYONE THEY LOOK AT!

All law enforcement officers have total AUTHORITY over you or anyone they chose at any time!, and you are GUILTY of anything they can think up until you can prove differently! (but only in front of a Judge) --- If you have the chance too! And you make it through LEO (Judge, Jury, and sometimes Executioner!)
Do I have that about right??

 

[LazyLavey]

disgusting vid. Based on the guys yelling, sounds like he may have an emotional issues..... idk, but disgusting just the same

Similar incident I was involved while working foot patrol on major L.A Blvd...

Partner and I saw a very "normal" looking male acting a bit different while peering into passing cars..

As we approached him he screamed and ran... we caught up with him and my partner immediately draws his baton.

If you've ever had that feeling that somebody is not in their right mind, and I don't mean under the influence, you'll know what I mean

Told my partner put it away and was able to calm the guy... sure enough he had mental issues. Within a few moments I was sitting on a short wall having a conversation with him. Wasn't involved in any crime. could have gone south real quick

Was able to contact his father who responded with great gratitude .... Apparently he walked away from a facility he was staying

 

[TrollerDave]

“Why couldn’t he have just shot him in the leg?”





Please read into the sarcasm.

 

[Wave Hi]

I'm lacing up my tennis shoes getting ready for all the looting that's going to take place with the outrage that I'm sure is going to happen. Doesn't that always happen after people watch the video ??

 

[t&y]

Honest question. On that take down, when the guy is deemed innocent, let’s say he was severely injured. What’s the protocol then? My guess is that the city/county/municipality will be on the hook for millions right?

That take down had a lot of risk imo. Planting someone’s head on the asphalt comes with risks lol.

As a civilian who backs the blue…. I think this officer could have just said his peace right out of the gate.

“You match the description of someone we’re looking for”. Hands behind your back, cuffs and set them on the ground.

That flip move only put the officer and/or “suspect” in physical danger. Not sure how far a guy can run with cuffs behind his back?

I’ve watched this video now 7 times. What’s the reason that the officer could get the backpack off of the guy but not put handcuffs on him? I don’t see anything that the “suspect” does that warrants that take down.

The “suspect” seems to be fairly compliant and sincerely confused. Before we go down a rabbit hole, hypoglycemic patients present as confused as well. And LEO are trained to recognize that. That’s not the case here but going from zero to 100 doesn’t seem justified here.

Protocol? That guy just like anyone else can sue the department for millions. He will get paid regardless of what legal precedent stands allowing cops to detain and use force to conduct their investigations. In modern society, it is not literally about what is legal, it is far more about what looks bad and will bring negative publicity. The City or County will probably pay him out up front to avoid a long drawn out trial in today's society of give everyone multi-million dollars settlements because in the minds of many, all cops are bad. Some of that bleeds through the regular haters in here.

Could the cop have acted differently? Of course. Could you have taken a different route to work, starting in the same place, ending in the same place, but totally different in the middle? Of course. If you chose to take a different route does that make only one of those ways right?

Yes, we all get it. That takedown was far more than a simple control hold forcing someone into compliance. So what is your breaking point on allowing such take down if any? Should the cop be assaulted in some manner before being able to gain control of the person? Honest question, what do you think should happen before the cops should be able to take action.

Regardless of what the normal haters in here will say about this one. REASONABLE SUSPICION is based on the totality of the circumstances. Location, time of night, clothing and description all play into the legal reasonableness of that stop and detention regardless of the outcome.

 

[t&y]

Does this look like Felony resisting arrest? That is what this guy got charged with!

What does felony resisting arrest look like in your world? Is it based off of your personal opinion or written Penal Code with listed elements of a crime?

 

[hallett21]

Protocol? That guy just like anyone else can sue the department for millions. He will get paid regardless of what legal precedent stands allowing cops to detain and use force to conduct their investigations. In modern society, it is not literally about what is legal, it is far more about what looks bad and will bring negative publicity. The City or County will probably pay him out up front to avoid a long drawn out trial in today's society of give everyone multi-million dollars settlements because in the minds of many, all cops are bad. Some of that bleeds through the regular haters in here.

Could the cop have acted differently? Of course. Could you have taken a different route to work, starting in the same place, ending in the same place, but totally different in the middle? Of course. If you chose to take a different route does that make only one of those ways right?

Yes, we all get it. That takedown was far more than a simple control hold forcing someone into compliance. So what is your breaking point on allowing such take down if any? Should the cop be assaulted in some manner before being able to gain control of the person? Honest question, what do you think should happen before the cops should be able to take action.

Regardless of what the normal haters in here will say about this one. REASONABLE SUSPICION is based on the totality of the circumstances. Location, time of night, clothing and description all play into the legal reasonableness of that stop and detention regardless of the outcome.

Appreciate the response. I’d say that kind of take down would be warranted with a combative suspect. Meaning physically pushing back, trying to injure the officer etc. Even if the guy was screaming and menacing the officer then maybe. But this guy was pretty damn calm and what appears genuinely confused.

Some how the cop was able to gingerly remove the backpack before the WWE take down lol.

 

[hallett21]

What does felony resisting arrest look like in your world? Is it based off of your personal opinion or written Penal Code with listed elements of a crime?

There’s a huge disconnect between law enforcement and citizens imo.

Obviously officers have a job to do and when they get a description of a suspect they need to act on that info.

But the guy has the same right (as a human being) to not want to comply because he knows he’s innocent.

So after everything shakes out they realize he’s not the suspect. But feel the need to hit him with a felony charge. The entire reason he acted the way he did was because of a false accusation on the officers part. Put another way if they hadn’t picked the wrong guy the interaction never happens.

Obviously you should treat law enforcement with respect. But blindly complying with law enforcement is like 3 degrees from the SS German officers. To be clear I am not calling any law enforcement Nazis/SS etc.

But to say sit down and stfu while dealing with the law is not a good approach either.

 

[lbhsbz]

Based on the guys yelling, sounds like he may have an emotional issues..... idk, but disgusting just the same

Maybe if you had your head bounced off the pavement hard enough to give you concussion you'd have an issue too and might cry and whine a bit. I've crashed my un-helmeted head into concrete before (as is clearly evident) and I can tell you the pain was far worse than anything I've ever experienced and it wouldn't go away....way worse than when you smash your finger with a hammer or have your foot skinned and break off a toe bouncing off a car that tries to run you down. The pain was bad enough that if someone ever did that to me in retaliation for something that I didn't do I'd very likely hunt them down and kill them. People like that don't deserve to live with the rest of us.

 

[t&y]

Appreciate the response. I’d say that kind of take down would be warranted with a combative suspect. Meaning physically pushing back, trying to injure the officer etc. Even if the guy was screaming and menacing the officer then maybe. But this guy was pretty damn calm and what appears genuinely confused.

Some how the cop was able to gingerly remove the backpack before the WWE take down lol.

Looks to me like in that video the cop was "gingerly" removing the backpack right up until the point the guy starts turning towards him.

These things are always so easy to clearly see after the fact. Funny how that doesn't really work the same in real time.

 

[t&y]

Maybe if you had your head bounced off the pavement hard enough to give you concussion you'd have an issue too and might cry and whine a bit. I've crashed my un-helmeted head into concrete before (as is clearly evident) and I can tell you the pain was far worse than anything I've ever experienced and it wouldn't go away....way worse than when you smash your finger with a hammer or have your foot skinned and break off a toe bouncing off a car that tries to run you down. The pain was bad enough that if someone ever did that to me in retaliation for something that I didn't do I'd very likely hunt them down and kill them. People like that don't deserve to live with the rest of us.

Are you referencing that time when you tried to stop those guys from bettering their lives with the money they would make from your catalytic converter?

 

[hallett21]

Looks to me like in that video the cop was "gingerly" removing the backpack right up until the point the guy starts turning towards him.

These things are always so easy to clearly see after the fact. Funny how that doesn't really work the same in real time.

Fair enough.

But out of all the options it seems like that move had a huge amount of risk attached.

And watching the video the guy turns towards the officer 3 different times. Not sure why the 3rd time felt any more threatening than the first 2?

I think it would make more sense if the guy just body slammed him out of the gate lol

 

[C-Ya]

What does felony resisting arrest look like in your world? Is it based off of your personal opinion or written Penal Code with listed elements of a crime?

“I don’t answer questions“ to law enforcement……. Didn’t you read my earlier post? Lol

 

[t&y]

Fair enough.

But out of all the options it seems like that move had a huge amount of risk attached.

And watching the video the guy turns towards the officer 3 different times. Not sure why the 3rd time felt any more threatening than the first 2?

I think it would make more sense if the guy just body slammed him out of the gate lol

That is an option, however, not the optimal option unless you know for certainty who you are dealing with. This stop was based on reasonable suspicion the person had just committed a crime.

Side note, notice how I said REASONABLE SUSPICION and not just suspicion. Can't recall ever sitting in a law class where they suggested a cop should detain someone on suspicion alone... I digress.

The cop is evaluating the guy's actions from the get-go. And you are correct, that was not the first-time the guy resisted his attempts to control his movements. What strikes me as odd is if he believed he was dealing with a felony suspect, why didn't he pat him down for weapons before moving him and attempting to remove the backpack. This is the part of police work that is generally fought over in courts across the country. The scariest part of the job is not getting shot or hurt in the field. The scariest part is knowing that one fraction of a second of any incident you are involved in could land you in federal court, or in internet court, and your entire life could be changed permanently due to the opinions of people who have never and would never do your job. Yet they hold some type of expertise or piece of paper from a school that grants them authority to rule on your actions.

Saying the job is not for everyone is an understatement.

 

[t&y]

“I don’t answer questions“ to law enforcement……. Didn’t you read my earlier post? Lol

I hope you don't answer questions to law enforcement. But how about answering questions from law enforcement?

 

[lbhsbz]

Are you referencing that time when you tried to stop those guys from bettering their lives with the money they would make from your catalytic converter?

That wasn't the concussion incident, and it hurt like hell, but didn't hold a candle to the concussion. Anyone gives me a concussion without good reason, they should leave town by the time I recover.

 

[C-Ya]

I hope you don't answer questions to law enforcement. But how about answering questions from law enforcement?

Again……. I don’t answer questions.

 

[t&y]

There’s a huge disconnect between law enforcement and citizens imo.

Obviously officers have a job to do and when they get a description of a suspect they need to act on that info.

But the guy has the same right (as a human being) to not want to comply because he knows he’s innocent.

So after everything shakes out they realize he’s not the suspect. But feel the need to hit him with a felony charge. The entire reason he acted the way he did was because of a false accusation on the officers part. Put another way if they hadn’t picked the wrong guy the interaction never happens.

Obviously you should treat law enforcement with respect. But blindly complying with law enforcement is like 3 degrees from the SS German officers. To be clear I am not calling any law enforcement Nazis/SS etc.

But to say sit down and stfu while dealing with the law is not a good approach either.

Yup, huge disconnect. We are all bound by the laws of the land. The 4th amendment protects us against unreasonable search and seizure, not simply all search and seizure until the entire case is discussed with the detainee and ruled on by a judge before exiting your vehicle. It's not just my opinion, that is the opinion of 1000's of judges all across the country and supported by the Supreme Court. Like suggested time and time again, DO NOT PHYSICALLY RESIST. The street is not the time or place for that.

 

[DaveH]

im no fan of law enforcement.......but on this one i am going to go against the grain. the perp basically resisted from the moment the cop rolled up, ignoring what he was being told to do.

seems to me all he had to do was comply.

for the armchair quarterbacks who can see in the future and know this guy didnt have a weapon or what his intentions were....other then obviously resisting everything the cop told him......he got taken down the hard way and so be it. better that then a half measure and an injured or dead cop.

 

[t&y]

Again……. I don’t answer questions.

Better for you that way. But at any rate, if anyone is curious, here is what C-Ya's video is associated with.

A person was detained based on reasonable suspicion. Instead of simply complying he physically resisted. He ended up being arrested after the fact for 69 PC which is a felony charge. The elements of that crime are as followed in Ca. "69. (a) Every person who attempts, by means of any threat or violence, to deter or prevent an executive officer from performing any duty imposed upon the officer by law, or who knowingly resists, by the use of force or violence, the officer, in the performance of his or her duty, is punishable by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170, or in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment."

If you take away the big scary words used to try and sensationalize the arrest, what you have is a discussion on whether or not the officers were acting within the scope of their duties, and whether or not they had a REASONABLE SUSPICION that the person they were attempting to detain was in the commission of a crime, had just committed a crime, or was about to commit a crime. Did he knowingly resist by the use of force the officer in the performance of his or her duty?

You also have to remember that this case appears to have taken place in Southern California somewhere in Los Angeles County. Actual crime makes no difference at this point. We currently have an extreme liberal DA that has given his prosecutors direction to ignore charges such as 148 PC and potentially 69 PC. That means no matter the legality of the arrest, they will not prosecute. What does that mean for the officers on the streets? It means that even though current state penal codes supported by decades of case law supports every bit of their actions and arrest, the DA's office will simply not file charges. That gives people just like C-Ya ample ammo to shout unlawful arrest and try to paint the officers as out of control or acting unlawfully.

Look beyond the bullshit and form your own opinions based on actual fact and not bias opinion is what I would suggest.

 

[lbhsbz]

im no fan of law enforcement.......but on this one i am going to go against the grain. the perp basically resisted from the moment the cop rolled up, ignoring what he was being told to do.

seems to me all he had to do was comply.

for the armchair quarterbacks who can see in the future and know this guy didnt have a weapon or what his intentions were....other then obviously resisting everything the cop told him......he got taken down the hard way and so be it. better that then a half measure and an injured or dead cop.

I didn't see it as non-compliant....maybe confused....he had his phone in his hand. Aside from dropping it on the ground, what was he to do with it? He couldn't put it in his pocket....reaching for his pocket probably would have gotten him shot by that asshole cop. He had no idea what was going on. Confusion has to be taken into account when assessing the attitude and actions of someone they are attempting to detain due to suspicion. I imagine it's tough to differentiate confusion by an innocent and acting by a guilty party, but none of that is the civilian's problem. If the LEO doesn't want to learn how to tell the difference maybe they should have chosen a different line of work.

 

[was thatguy]

When every “civilian” is a suspect, who’s left to “protect and serve”?

 

[lbhsbz]

Better for you that way. But at any rate, if anyone is curious, here is what C-Ya's video is associated with.

A person was detained based on reasonable suspicion. Instead of simply complying he physically resisted. He ended up being arrested after the fact for 69 PC which is a felony charge. The elements of that crime are as followed in Ca. "69. (a) Every person who attempts, by means of any threat or violence, to deter or prevent an executive officer from performing any duty imposed upon the officer by law, or who knowingly resists, by the use of force or violence, the officer, in the performance of his or her duty, is punishable by a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170, or in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment."

If you take away the big scary words used to try and sensationalize the arrest, what you have is a discussion on whether or not the officers were acting within the scope of their duties, and whether or not they had a REASONABLE SUSPICION that the person they were attempting to detain was in the commission of a crime, had just committed a crime, or was about to commit a crime. Did he knowingly resist by the use of force the officer in the performance of his or her duty?

You also have to remember that this case appears to have taken place in Southern California somewhere in Los Angeles County. Actual crime makes no difference at this point. We currently have an extreme liberal DA that has given his prosecutors direction to ignore charges such as 148 PC and potentially 69 PC. That means no matter the legality of the arrest, they will not prosecute. What does that mean for the officers on the streets? It means that even though current state penal codes supported by decades of case law supports every bit of their actions and arrest, the DA's office will simply not file charges. That gives people just like C-Ya ample ammo to shout unlawful arrest and try to paint the officers as out of control or acting unlawfully.

Look beyond the bullshit and form your own opinions based on actual fact and not bias opinion is what I would suggest.

Where did the "suspect" in the video resist by the use violence or force?

 

[t&y]

Where did the "suspect" in the video resist by the use violence or force?

45 seconds into the video you can see the Deputy has his right hand on the suspects left arm. At this point he has already explained the reason for the detention and ordered him to step out of the vehicle. It gets real obvious from there.

United States Supreme Court cases have ruled time and time again that officers can order detainee's to remain in the vehicle or get out of the vehicle. Simple question is did the suspect use physical "force" to resist the offices lawful orders?

 

[River Runnin]

Yup, huge disconnect. We are all bound by the laws of the land. The 4th amendment protects us against unreasonable search and seizure, not simply all search and seizure until the entire case is discussed with the detainee and ruled on by a judge before exiting your vehicle. It's not just my opinion, that is the opinion of 1000's of judges all across the country and supported by the Supreme Court. Like suggested time and time again, DO NOT PHYSICALLY RESIST. The street is not the time or place for that.

I guess it can get frustrating sometimes!

 

[t&y]

I guess it can get frustrating sometimes!

Wow, really? We have met personally, even searched the river for two days for a dead body. And yet here you want to equate me to a Nazi over a point of legal discussion?

If that is your real opinion of me then you can go fuck yourself. If you made a bad choice for comparison then I'd suggest you clear that up real quick.

 

[DaveH]

I didn't see it as non-compliant....maybe confused....he had his phone in his hand. Aside from dropping it on the ground, what was he to do with it? He couldn't put it in his pocket....reaching for his pocket probably would have gotten him shot by that asshole cop. He had no idea what was going on. Confusion has to be taken into account when assessing the attitude and actions of someone they are attempting to detain due to suspicion. I imagine it's tough to differentiate confusion by an innocent and acting by a guilty party, but none of that is the civilian's problem. If the LEO doesn't want to learn how to tell the difference maybe they should have chosen a different line of work.

i am sure if i was walking down the street........having done nothing wrong.....i would be confused as to why a cop would roll up (i assume his lights were on at that point) and when i was approached by a cop it would not matter if i was "confused" as to why they would be approaching me.......that being said.....what does that have anything to do with NOT DOING WHAT YOU ARE TOLD.......as was the case here? i dont care how confused myself or anyone esle would be.....when a cop says do XYZ you do it. still place full blame on the perp in this case.

 

[Wave Hi]

Comply and be on your way usually, don't comply and get ready for a aluminum shampoo...

 

[River Runnin]

Wow, really? We have met personally, even searched the river for two days for a dead body. And yet here you want to equate me to a Nazi over a point of legal discussion?

If that is your real opinion of me then you can go fuck yourself. If you made a bad choice for comparison then I'd suggest you clear that up real quick.

This wasn't about you! -- Some of the statements, Assumptions made by a few that has nothing to do with the video we have been arm chairing about, authoritarian compliance is required by all citizens that aren't LE, and personal civil rights!
But this was just a note that hit me wrong! -- "DO NOT PHYSICALLY RESIST. The street is not the time or place for that."

So yes! My apologies for lumping you in with all those out there doing the wrong thing!

 

[River Runnin]

I've also had LE roll up on me and a couple of friends sitting on the ground in the front yard. They got out guns drawn and had a cocked 45 stuck in the back of my head. Then cuffed, taken in the house, thrown on the couch, searched for ID, Van searched, and was finally let go and told to leave. Just for sitting on the fooking ground!
As you've said! I've helped LE more than once, and happy to do so! -- I don't like seeing stories of Bad cops, or those sticking up for them!

 

[t&y]

This wasn't about you! -- Some of the statements, Assumptions made by a few that has nothing to do with the video we have been arm chairing about, authoritarian compliance is required by all citizens that aren't LE, and personal civil rights!
But this was just a note that hit me wrong! -- "DO NOT PHYSICALLY RESIST. The street is not the time or place for that."

So yes! My apologies for lumping you in with all those out there doing the wrong thing!

Understood and thank you for the clarification.

 

[spectra3279]

That is an option, however, not the optimal option unless you know for certainty who you are dealing with. This stop was based on reasonable suspicion the person had just committed a crime.

Side note, notice how I said REASONABLE SUSPICION and not just suspicion. Can't recall ever sitting in a law class where they suggested a cop should detain someone on suspicion alone... I digress.

The cop is evaluating the guy's actions from the get-go. And you are correct, that was not the first-time the guy resisted his attempts to control his movements. What strikes me as odd is if he believed he was dealing with a felony suspect, why didn't he pat him down for weapons before moving him and attempting to remove the backpack. This is the part of police work that is generally fought over in courts across the country. The scariest part of the job is not getting shot or hurt in the field. The scariest part is knowing that one fraction of a second of any incident you are involved in could land you in federal court, or in internet court, and your entire life could be changed permanently due to the opinions of people who have never and would never do your job. Yet they hold some type of expertise or piece of paper from a school that grants them authority to rule on your actions.

Saying the job is not for everyone is an understatement.

When you really break it down, reasonable suspicion can be anything. Reasonable suspicion was a trailer ball blocking part of my license plate. Reasonable suspicion was my blinker turning off cause I straightened my steering wheel. Reasonable suspicion was cause my license plate had some mud on it. Reasonable suspicion was cause I was visiting my cousin who lived at a known drug house and I never left the drive way. Reasonable suspicion was because my boat reg was new and didn't show in their system yet.

Reasonable suspicion can be anything they wish to make up. So that's not a valid excuse for how cops deal with the public.

No I'm not a cop hater but I do hate the things they get away with.

 

[DLC]

45 seconds into the video you can see the Deputy has his right hand on the suspects left arm. At this point he has already explained the reason for the detention and ordered him to step out of the vehicle. It gets real obvious from there.

United States Supreme Court cases have ruled time and time again that officers can order detainee's to remain in the vehicle or get out of the vehicle. Simple question is did the suspect use physical "force" to resist the offices lawful orders?

Negative
43 seconds start back pack removal 45 seconds back pack is still on the rt arm.


at 46-48 seconds he starts / goes into the your being detained for suspicion of breaking into a car & at 54 seconds he grabs and slams him

cop talks really fast

its all on video….

 

[was thatguy]

 

[t&y]

Negative
43 seconds start back pack removal 45 seconds back pack is still on the rt arm.


at 46-48 seconds he starts / goes into the your being detained for suspicion of breaking into a car & at 54 seconds he grabs and slams him

cop talks really fast

its all on video….

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Talking about two different video's here. C-Ya posted a second video about a different arrest with a ton sensationalism attached, professed how much he likes to talk and is always in control, then immediately stated he doesn't answer questions.

I regards to the first video, I agree that by the 45 second mark he has already technically "resisted" and that seems to be right before he gets taken down.

 

[t&y]

When you really break it down, reasonable suspicion can be anything. Reasonable suspicion was a trailer ball blocking part of my license plate. Reasonable suspicion was my blinker turning off cause I straightened my steering wheel. Reasonable suspicion was cause my license plate had some mud on it. Reasonable suspicion was cause I was visiting my cousin who lived at a known drug house and I never left the drive way. Reasonable suspicion was because my boat reg was new and didn't show in their system yet.

Reasonable suspicion can be anything they wish to make up. So that's not a valid excuse for how cops deal with the public.

No I'm not a cop hater but I do hate the things they get away with.

Yes and no. This is the fun apart about the actual application of the law vs arm chairing it from a professional standpoint or on the boards.

Below are very general terms for the common phrases being thrown around:

Suspicion is just that... suspicion. I actually agree with C-Ya here that suspicion alone gets a cop no legal standing to act beyond observing.

Reasonable Suspicion is a suspicion a crime is about to occur, is occurring, or has already occurred, but lacking confirmation or hard evidence. For a legal detention to occur Law Enforcement needs to be able to articulate their reasonable suspicion prior to the detention. Do not confuse that with having to literally state all of your reasons to the person at the very moment of contact.

Probable Cause is the totality of articulable facts and evidence that when evaluated lead a reasonable person to believe a crime is about to occur, is occurring, or has already occurred. This is the standard we use when making an arrest and must be declared and approved by a Judge with a certain amount of time following the physical arrest.

When cops take legal action or enforce the law, their actions have to be supported by Local and Federal law, and highly guided by a variety of case laws that get very specific with the details of each act. It's always easy to just haphazardly throw terms around, but the actual articulation and presentation of supporting evidence is the contentious part of the deal. The actions of the cops in the videos posted here will all be judged based on the reasonableness of their actions when compared to their peers with similar training and experience. That is not just a local policy, that is a nation wide accepted standard that has been in place for decades. When you really boil it down, that is generally the part of these incidents that draw the most attention because the cops will be found to have acted legally/lawfully even though to the common eye it may not look legal. So I guess you have to ask yourself what standard you really want cops to follow? Would it be what is legally accepted, or maybe whatever standard social media is pushing? How about different standards for each specific neighborhood based on what each street wants to see enforced vs ignored? Talk about a slippery slope....

 

[78Southwind]

What you guys think about this one? Where a cop puts his hand around another cops throat for trying to deescalate the situation.

 

[hallett21]

What you guys think about this one? Where a cop puts his hand around another cops throat for trying to deescalate the situation.

Lol talk about a way to lose your job real quick. Last I checked a hand around any fellow employee would be assault. A superior doing it is even worse.

Guy seems like a hot head to begin with. They got the suspect into the car and then he’s gotta threaten pepper spray and soul removing.

I’m sure there’s more to the story (always is) but 4 officers were able to get the guy into the car before he showed up.

Edit.

Guy was charged with assault, battery and evidence tampering.

 

[dribble]

Here is what I know about this sort of shit............ You are wrong.

For the sake of argument. What actions by the victim constituted obstruction?

 

[Wave Hi]

Put your paws on a subordinate and lose your job and /or go to jail. That cop is a serious blow hard.

 

[78Southwind]

Lol talk about a way to lose your job real quick. Last I checked a hand around any fellow employee would be assault. A superior doing it is even worse.

Guy seems like a hot head to begin with. They got the suspect into the car and then he’s gotta threaten pepper spray and soul removing.

I’m sure there’s more to the story (always is) but 4 officers were able to get the guy into the car before he showed up.

Edit.

Guy was charged with assault, battery and evidence tampering.

In my opinion the cop from the first video and the cop from this video missed de-escalation training which could have gone a long way.

 

[78Southwind]

For years when I went to Desert Storm, I would watch the Shootout from the extended boat trailer parking area (cliffs) at the Nautical Inn. One year the Nautical Inn (supposedly) Manager comes up to several of us and tells us we can't watch the Shootout from the cliff area. So a couple of us walked down to the water and sat in the water with our chairs and watched.

I guess the manager was pissed so he called the Havasu cops. A police boat showed up with a cop screaming at us and swinging his baton threatening us. Not wanting to deal with this idiot, I walked back up the hill and another Havasu cop showed up driving a SxS. This cop was the complete opposite compared to the other cop.

I discussed with the second cop that I was staying at the first cabin club and that we had a sublease agreement (I had the contract on my phone in my email) with the Nautical Inn. I also told the cop that I had been doing this for years and if there was some sort of signage, I wouldn't even had shown up there. The cop told the manager that since there weren't any "No Trespassing" signs at the cliffs he wouldn't enforce it. The cop road off and I told the manger to get fucked.

The weird thing (I didn't notice at the time) is that someone was recording my cop interaction. The fuckers put it up on the Havasu Orchids and Onions Facebook page. All my friends that live in Havasu started messaging me on Facebook (WTF). I guess, what I am trying to get at is de-escalation is the key, both for the civilian and the cop. If I saw the second cop again, I would go up to him and shake his hand for a job well done.

 

[Backlash]

What you guys think about this one? Where a cop puts his hand around another cops throat for trying to deescalate the situation.

Looks to me like Sunrise PD will have a Sergeant's position open now.

He seems like a swell guy to work for.

 

[spectra3279]

For the sake of argument. What actions by the victim constituted obstruction?

Seems to be just questioning

 

[Bajastu]

What you guys think about this one? Where a cop puts his hand around another cops throat for trying to deescalate the situation.

Yeah, he's fit for duty. I guarantee that he is already divorced and has a restraining order put on him by his wife along with the domestic violence case that is pending. The wife and the kids hate what he turned into because he refuses help dealing with his mental issues. Typical hot head officer that has no control over his actions.


A study from 2014 have found that at least 40 percent of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10 percent of families in the general population. Going into 2023 I'm sure that this number had significantly increased. Within companies that I have worked at some jobs have a limit on the term due to stress. These positions should be rotated every 4-5 years to avoid the buildup of tension found within the workplace. A rotation of desk vs field would alleviate these issues. Professional help is offered but many refuse.

Once again, there is more training offered to become an esthetician or a hair stylist than to become a LEO. But then again, a hairstylist is just as messed up in the head.

 

[t&y]

What you guys think about this one? Where a cop puts his hand around another cops throat for trying to deescalate the situation.

That Cop needs to fired and potentially face assault charges. Annnnddddd maybe lay of the steroids just a bit.

 

[t&y]

For the sake of argument. What actions by the victim constituted obstruction?

Which one are you talking about... bunch of different video's in this thread now.

But to that point, it really doesn't matter what I think. Legal precedent is such that any of the officers involved will be judged by what a reasonable peer of his/hers would have done in that same situation.

The first video, I would have approached that differently from the get go if that same thing were occurring where I work.

 

[t&y]

Yeah, he's fit for duty. I guarantee that he is already divorced and has a restraining order put on him by his wife along with the domestic violence case that is pending. The wife and the kids hate what he turned into because he refuses help dealing with his mental issues. Typical hot head officer that has no control over his actions.


A study from 2014 have found that at least 40 percent of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10 percent of families in the general population. Going into 2023 I'm sure that this number had significantly increased. Within companies that I have worked at some jobs have a limit on the term due to stress. These positions should be rotated every 4-5 years to avoid the buildup of tension found within the workplace. A rotation of desk vs field would alleviate these issues. Professional help is offered but many refuse.

Once again, there is more training offered to become an esthetician or a hair stylist than to become a LEO. But then again, a hairstylist is just as messed up in the head.

Show me on the doll where the mean cop hurt you.... Jeezus dude, at least you wear your issues on your sleeve.

 

[Bajastu]

Show me on the doll where the mean cop hurt you.... Jeezus dude, at least you wear your issues on your sleeve.

I have no issues. Just stating the statistics and the facts that come with the job. I saw a lot of the inside track with friends who were LEO and when I was a fireman, who also fall in line statistically on broken homes. Have I had my share LEO interactions, yes. Roughed up, no, ticket, yes. Rage needs to be controlled when dealing with the public as an authority figure. Coworkers nor the public deserve this type of behavior. Public servants should always be on their toes and set an example to the rank and file, the public, and above all kids who look up to the Police and Firemen.