Speed UTV take 3

[Heylam]

The guy just seems like the typical RDP member to me, lol.

 

[OLDRAAT]

I thought I heard him talking with a lisp.......

 

[BHC Vic]

Guy seems volatile as hell. When I see “entrepreneur” in someone’s bio my eyebrows tend to rise lol. Maybe he has money but anyone who spends that much time and has that many posts hyping up Speed (or anything) is looking for something.

I’d expect any CEO to stay calm and collected at all times (it’s not fair but that’s life). You start telling people to fuck themselves and you go from corporate millionaire to just another guy in the eyes of the public.

I sure hope SPEED can get these kinks worked out.

He’s in the weed business. Guy does alright

 

[stonehenge]

Not his friend, but I spend mucho time in glamis and have run into him in the dunes on several occasions over the years, had some beverages with him in the dunes.

And I will admit he comes across rather brash on his videos, in person he seems a tiny bit "off" in search of a better term.

But in my opinion, and just observations, he isn't trying to get free stuff, nor does he have a shortage of funds. Plus he has been mostly positive on all of his speed issues/concerns. However, everyone has a breaking point, he obviously reached his. lol

Bottom line, rwg will continue to tell the public to go f themselves, that he excels at.

 

[rivermobster]

He needs to remember he got an early car, so did @RiverDave RD has already posted that he went into this knowing this and completely expected issues, sounds like this guy expected a 3rd or 4th year car.

There is a reason it is a well known fact to not buy a 1st year anything unless you are ok with some issues.

Best post in this thread.

 

[Socalx09]

I don’t know if you did or you didn’t but don’t use a jumper box on the battery to start your RZR if the battery is low.

Using the jumper box fries the power steering module on the Polaris since it’s an electric power steering assembly.

We knew better on our pre runner RZR and did it anyways. Lost the power steering immediately.

This is my PSA for the day lol

Had no idea. We haven’t needed to jump it, but do carry one on the rzr so now I know. Thank you.

 

[Englewood]

I don’t know if you did or you didn’t but don’t use a jumper box on the battery to start your RZR if the battery is low.

Using the jumper box fries the power steering module on the Polaris since it’s an electric power steering assembly.

We knew better on our pre runner RZR and did it anyways. Lost the power steering immediately.

This is my PSA for the day lol

Thanks for posting that. I had no idea. What’s the correct way?

 

[DWC]

lol Dave your emotional. The guy has plenty of money

What’s the guy do for a living? Not a challenge, just curious.

 

[DWC]

He’s in the weed business. Guy does alright

Yep, dude probably has more cash than most.

 

[rivrrts429]

Thanks for posting that. I had no idea. What’s the correct way?

Trickle charge them. We were in a hurry and hooked up a NOCO and it sizzled the power steering. A Polaris tech at the race was telling us it’s a known (unknown ) issue.

 

[hallett21]

Trickle charge them. We were in a hurry and hooked up a NOCO and it sizzled the power steering. A Polaris tech at the race was telling us it’s a known (unknown ) issue.

Could you just pull the fuse to the power steering? And then put it back in after the engine started?

 

[rivrrts429]

Could you just pull the fuse to the power steering? And then put it back in after the engine started?

You probably could but the issue with the power steering is that it’s part of the operating management system. It throws a check engine light when it isn’t working.

I’d like to note it won’t happen every time you use a jumper box. It could potentially happen and it did to us. Was a pain in the ass getting it swapped and a new one shipped from the states to Lareto Mexico in 24 hours.

 

[Havasu blue label]

It’s a great investment

 

[Bpracing1127]

Well that David guy that went off yesterday has more problems with his car. Its dead now. Wont start. Sounds like the starter motor.

these are very unreliable. Find me 10 people with cars that haven't had a problem with them.

@RiverDave do you disagree that these are not reliable? were not talking about wear parts like CV's axles, belts, etc. Although I have 6000 miles on my turbo s and never broken an axle and only 1 belt blew. Im on my 3rd belt.

 

[hallett21]

Well that David guy that went off yesterday has more problems with his car. Its dead now. Wont start. Sounds like the starter motor.

these are very unreliable. Find me 10 people with cars that haven't had a problem with them.

@RiverDave do you disagree that these are not reliable? were not talking about wear parts like CV's axles, belts, etc. Although I have 6000 miles on my turbo s and never broken an axle and only 1 belt blew. Im on my 3rd belt.

This is a dead horse convo but I’m curious. If you bought a Speed in 2020-21 when they first became available and ordered the biggest baddest one. What was the OTD cost? And what would have been the at the time Polaris or CanAm equivalent cost?

Nothing aftermarket, just “factory” available options and pricing.

 

[Bpracing1127]

This is a dead horse convo but I’m curious. If you bought a Speed in 2020-21 when they first became available and ordered the biggest baddest one. What was the OTD cost? And what would have been the at the time Polaris or CanAm equivalent cost?

Nothing aftermarket, just “factory” available options and pricing.

they were 35,500 for the RG model i believe + options

a fully decked out one would come in about 55+ sales tax/ title etc....

 

[Boatymcboatface]

This is a dead horse convo but I’m curious. If you bought a Speed in 2020-21 when they first became available and ordered the biggest baddest one. What was the OTD cost? And what would have been the at the time Polaris or CanAm equivalent cost?

Nothing aftermarket, just “factory” available options and pricing.

A RZR Turbo S or a CanAm not sure what model. Both top of the line would be out the door between 35k to 45k otd and that’s with factory 3 year warranty. Also this was Covid pricing so not a ton of deals. We’ve got the turbo S and was somewhere between that pricing OTD. Only thing I’ve added it Windshield, light bar, spare tire, tools, cooler, whips, and door bags. Still under 45k with everything we’ve added. 1000 trouble free miles so for and a super fun car. Friend has the comparable model CanAm with the same mods and 3000 trouble free miles on his and I believe stock belt.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

There's been some talk about the interchangeability of parts between these and the XX, at the XX event the other weekend people were talking that allegedly the clutch and transaxle could be drop in components into our cars? With that in mind, I'm wondering if someone would be better off dropping a LaRue or Packard built Yamaha 3cyl into a speed car. Both of those shops have reliably pushed well over 250whp through those platforms and upwards of 400hp in drag racing applications.

 

[PlanB]

Thanks for posting that. I had no idea. What’s the correct way?

Put a Shock Therapy rack in it.

 

[DarkJuJu]

Surprised to not see any Speeds at the Mint, Robby and Max have raced this in the past, unless I missed something on the midway or sitting at main pits for 12 hours.

 

[PlanB]

This is a dead horse convo but I’m curious. If you bought a Speed in 2020-21 when they first became available and ordered the biggest baddest one. What was the OTD cost? And what would have been the at the time Polaris or CanAm equivalent cost?

Nothing aftermarket, just “factory” available options and pricing.

I have a 2020 Can Am Turbo RR Max. That was the top of the line car for Can Am that year. $32,780 OTD with the factory extended warranty (That I have never had to use).

 

[hallett21]

they were 35,500 for the RG model i believe + options

a fully decked out one would come in about 55+ sales tax/ title etc....

What would the RZR or CanAm equivalent have cost? SPEED offered aftermarket “factory” items and I’m not sure if the other manufacturers offer that?

If that’s not comparable, what would a bare bones top of the line SPEED (35k it sounds like), RZR and CanAm cost?

Just seems like the first few hundred buyers got a screaming deal. Not sure how you’d be surprised when you save 10k+ compared to the competition and then have problems lol.

 

[hallett21]

I have a 2020 Can Am Turbo RR Max. That was the top of the line car for Can Am that year. $32,780 OTD with the factory extended warranty (That I have never had to use).

For some reason I thought the SPEEDs were priced much cheaper out of the gate than the competitors. Maybe that’s not true?

 

[pixrthis]

For some reason I thought the SPEEDs were priced much cheaper out of the gate than the competitors. Maybe that’s not true?

My time is worth much more than that and vacation time is my most valuable time.

 

[hallett21]

My time is worth much more than that and vacation time is my most valuable time.

Totally. But if that’s your (mine as well) stance don’t buy a brand new ground up design vehicle on year one lol.

 

[PlanB]

For some reason I thought the SPEEDs were priced much cheaper out of the gate than the competitors. Maybe that’s not true?

I have no idea on the Speed pricing.

 

[Englewood]

What would the RZR or CanAm equivalent have cost? SPEED offered aftermarket “factory” items and I’m not sure if the other manufacturers offer that?

If that’s not comparable, what would a bare bones top of the line SPEED (35k it sounds like), RZR and CanAm cost?

Just seems like the first few hundred buyers got a screaming deal. Not sure how you’d be surprised when you save 10k+ compared to the competition and then have problems lol.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Although I have 6000 miles on my turbo s and never broken an axle and only 1 belt blew. Im on my 3rd belt.

You must not drive it hard enough….

 

[Bpracing1127]

Put a Shock Therapy rack in it.

That doesn’t change anything. The stock rack is not electrical just like the PS rack.

The PS unit it’s up in the dash behind steering wheel

 

[ultra26shadow]

Well that David guy that went off yesterday has more problems with his car. Its dead now. Wont start. Sounds like the starter motor.

these are very unreliable. Find me 10 people with cars that haven't had a problem with them.

@RiverDave do you disagree that these are not reliable? were not talking about wear parts like CV's axles, belts, etc. Although I have 6000 miles on my turbo s and never broken an axle and only 1 belt blew. Im on my 3rd belt.

Tim is innocent

 

[hallett21]

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That’s a 2022. Trying to get legitimate pre buy SPEED numbers vs the equivalent of the day.


I don’t care what you could have got a year later this that and the other. Just a straight up comparison

 

[rivermobster]

You must not drive it hard enough….

My crew all has side by sides now. With age comes a cage.

Nothing but hard pack, and over 5 years on a belt. Stay outa the sand and your fine.

I still won't ever have a rubber band car though. I'd guess they will be extinct in 5 years.

 

[FlyByWire]

Now he wants Robby to come get them and fix them. Robby doubled down on the fuck you comment…

 

[hallett21]

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Now he wants Robby to come get them and fix them. Robby doubled down on the fuck you comment…

Robby shouldn’t be doing these kind of responses. However that was a decently put together and professional response. It easily could have gone the other way.

Edit. I hope Robby leaves this person behind him/in the dust/etc.

Just keep moving forward.

 

[Bpracing1127]

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Now he wants Robby to come get them and fix them. Robby doubled down on the fuck you comment…

Umm how did the motor not blow? An internal part of the motor failed causing a hole in the block/cylinder head. By definition that is a blown motor. Am I missing something?

 

[pixrthis]

Does it really matter if the Speed car is better than sliced bread? If it was a great car and they got a million orders could they fulfill them at current production? It’s an impressive feat to get it to this point and it will be more impressive to see it go to the next level if it ever does.
We don’t know the names of other SXS CEO’s because it doesn’t matter, they’re business men who run companies. They don’t race their cars, they don’t design their cars, they do what they’re good at which is running business. Does Seed have that person?

 

[82daytona]

Does it really matter if the Speed car is better than sliced bread? If it was a great car and they got a million orders could they fulfill them at current production? It’s an impressive feat to get it to this point and it will be more impressive to see it go to the next level if it ever does.
We don’t know the names of other SXS CEO’s because it doesn’t matter, they’re business men who run companies. They don’t race their cars, they don’t design their cars, they do what they’re good at which is running business. Does Seed have that person?

Of course they do. It’s Carl and LOF

 

[82daytona]

I’ve got 800 miles on my first year car now and the only issue is I’ve lost a fuse panel cover.

 

[Englewood]

That’s a 2022. Trying to get legitimate pre buy SPEED numbers vs the equivalent of the day.


I don’t care what you could have got a year later this that and the other. Just a straight up comparison

You win.

Seems pretty relevant to me considering people have had deposits on the cars since before that and still do not have them. You can get a similar year from Polaris for that price right now.

 

[BHC Vic]

You win.

Seems pretty relevant to me considering people have had deposits on the cars since before that and still do not have them. You can get a similar year from Polaris for that price right now.

I think since deposits started in 2019 or around there the savings was minimal. I know Dave had said his cars he sold would pay for the one he keeps. That’s not a bad deal

 

[pixrthis]

I think since deposits started in 2019 or around there the savings was minimal. I know Dave had said his cars he sold would pay for the one he keeps. That’s not a bad deal

Great deal it that actually happens.

 

[Loo Dog]

Of course they do. It’s Carl and LOF

You win the internet today.

 

[hallett21]

You win.

Seems pretty relevant to me considering people have had deposits on the cars since before that and still do not have them. You can get a similar year from Polaris for that price right now.

I don’t want to win lol. I’m legitimately asking. I don’t know why it’s so hard to get a side by side (no pun intended) comparison on pricing when these first came out.

People compare 2 seaters vs 4 seaters, or fully optioned out SPEEDs vs a barebones RZR in Kentucky etc.

My overall point being is that I remember SPEEDs being 10-15k cheaper than the competition pound for pound. If I’m wrong then never mind .

That discount comes at a cost (no pun intended again lol). So when people hit social media having a hissy fit I don’t understand.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I don’t want to win lol. I’m legitimately asking. I don’t know why it’s so hard to get a side by side (no pun intended) comparison on pricing when these first came out.

People compare 2 seaters vs 4 seaters, or fully optioned out SPEEDs vs a barebones RZR in Kentucky etc.

My overall point being is that I remember SPEEDs being 10-15k cheaper than the competition pound for pound. If I’m wrong then never mind .

That discount comes at a cost (no pun intended again lol). So when people hit social media having a hissy fit I don’t understand.

Ok maybe this will help

A top of the line 2019 turbo s4 I believe had a MSRP of 29-32k
A top of line speed had a MSRP of 35.5k

This is where the discussion comes in. The speed for that price came with a legit cage, full doors, window nets, radios, seats, harnesses, beadlock wheels

The rzr has half doors, on seats, and 4 points.

Lets say for discussion that the stock rzr 4 point belts and stock wheels and tires and even doors are ok (just buy lower inserts for a few hundred bucks) then all we need a a cage. Avg price of a cage is 2500$ or so. Radios are another 2500 bucks

So the speed is 35.5 and rzr with those two added options to compare is 35k or so too.

I hope this helps

Now the base speed is the LE and it was 32.5 but didn’t come with radios and window nets. It still has nice belts and seats. The base rzr 4 seat was like 27k still had 4 point belts and same seats as the top of the line model but doesn’t have roof and full doors.

Again hope this helps

Pound for pound

Rzr needs seats, belts, cage, roof, doors, shock work, and radio to compare to the RG model and we will give the RG model the option for springs or not.

RG model is 35.5 + 1500-2000 option for springs
Rzr to “equal it out” 30k entry. 2500 cage + 1500 doors, 2500 radio, 2500 shock work, 2000 for nice seats 500 for nice belts. Total price almost 40k.

Pretty comparable

Now RD will come on and say they are not comparable cuz the chassis design, handling, etc. blah blah.

Let’s even that out with reliability, can run a windshield, and dealer network and aftermarket parts and service.

 

[4Waters]

I don’t want to win lol. I’m legitimately asking. I don’t know why it’s so hard to get a side by side (no pun intended) comparison on pricing when these first came out.

People compare 2 seaters vs 4 seaters, or fully optioned out SPEEDs vs a barebones RZR in Kentucky etc.

My overall point being is that I remember SPEEDs being 10-15k cheaper than the competition pound for pound. If I’m wrong then never mind .

That discount comes at a cost (no pun intended again lol). So when people hit social media having a hissy fit I don’t understand.

I think there was a huge discount to buy in early

 

[Bpracing1127]

Now the smart ass comment is they are not comparable

1 runs and 1 doesn’t

 

[hallett21]

Now the smart ass comment is they are not comparable

1 runs and 1 doesn’t

lol fair enough.

I still can’t get a like for like break down.

 

[Bpracing1127]

lol fair enough.

I still can’t get a like for like break down.

I just gave it to you? Did I not?

What exactly are you looking for?

 

[hallett21]

I just gave it to you? Did I not?

What exactly are you looking for?

You gave me the SPEED price (appreciate that).

But what was the equivalent (being the key word) RZR or CanAm price?

People are saying that they’re almost the same price and I remember SPEEDs being significantly cheaper.

 

[Roaddawg]

You gave me the SPEED price (appreciate that).

But what was the equivalent (being the key word) RZR or CanAm price?

People are saying that they’re almost the same price and I remember SPEEDs being significantly cheap

Its right in his post.

A top of the line 2019 turbo s4 I believe had a MSRP of 29-32k
A top of line speed had a MSRP of 35.5k