Speed UTV take 3

[Bpracing1127]

You gave me the SPEED price (appreciate that).

But what was the equivalent (being the key word) RZR or CanAm price?

People are saying that they’re almost the same price and I remember SPEEDs being significantly cheaper.

I thought I gave that to you too. Rzr price was 29-32k for a turbo s4 dynamics.

 

[hallett21]

Its right in his post.

A top of the line 2019 turbo s4 I believe had a MSRP of 29-32k
A top of line speed had a MSRP of 35.5k

I apologize I read that as a fully optioned SPEED was 55k

So you get a 20k discount from the competition and you’re gonna bitch? Lmfao.

None of this is directed at you.

 

[hallett21]

I thought I gave that to you too. Rzr price was 29-32k for a turbo s4 dynamics.

I apologize I read that as a fully optioned SPEED was 55k

So you get a 20k discount from the competition and you’re gonna bitch? Lmfao.

None of this is directed at you.

Its right in his post.

A top of the line 2019 turbo s4 I believe had a MSRP of 29-32k
A top of line speed had a MSRP of 35.5k

See the problem lol

 

[Bpracing1127]

I apologize I read that as a fully optioned SPEED was 55k

So you get a 20k discount from the competition and you’re gonna bitch? Lmfao.

None of this is directed at you.

A fully optioned out speed is 55k.
That’s radios, lights, spares, bumpers all the bells and whistles.

A fully loaded rzr (brand new in 2019 dollars) was 55-80k depending how wild you wanted to get.

55k gets your rzr+ cage doors roof, radios lights, shock work, bumpers and maybe seats.

70k get you the above with really nice wheels and tires and stereos

80k all the above with custom paint and one off items and or extensive motor work

All of this is 2019 $$$ not todays $$$$$

 

[outboard_256]

You gave me the SPEED price (appreciate that).

But what was the equivalent (being the key word) RZR or CanAm price?

People are saying that they’re almost the same price and I remember SPEEDs being significantly cheaper.

Speed was only cheaper when you factor in the factory options you would need to add on other sxs to make them comparable. I think when the pro-R came out a year or two later it was around the same price as speed.

 

[hallett21]

A fully optioned out speed is 55k.
That’s radios, lights, spares, bumpers all the bells and whistles.

A fully loaded rzr (brand new in 2019 dollars) was 55-80k depending how wild you wanted to get.

55k gets your rzr+ cage doors roof, radios lights, shock work, bumpers and maybe seats.

70k get you the above with really nice wheels and tires and stereos

80k all the above with custom paint and one off items and or extensive motor work

All of this is 2019 $$$ not todays $$$$$

A fully loaded SPEED today is 55? Or back in 2019 was 55?

 

[Bpracing1127]

A fully loaded SPEED today is 55? Or back in 2019 was 55?

Back in 2019

 

[hallett21]

Back in 2019

So roughly pound for pound the cost was the same. Sounds like the foot print of the SPEED is significantly better. But if it’s not reliable I guess it doesn’t matter.

 

[Bpracing1127]

So roughly pound for pound the cost was the same. Sounds like the foot print of the SPEED is significantly better. But if it’s not reliable I guess it doesn’t matter.

That is correct.

Even today it’s still about the same pound for pound speed and pro r4

If you bought a speed today (end of line) and a pro r 4 and made them both fully options loaded out. Its about the same cost maybe the pro r being more expensive

The guys that bought early (getting cars now) have a discount however you need to analyze further. The pro R IS a better car by every comparable metrics

Brakes
HP
Handling
Etc.

The speed is right there with handling tho. Every test goes back and forth on this.

Back in 2019 the speed was a better car than the rzr turbo s.

So compare apples to apples or apples to oranges. However you want to look at it. One fact that can’t be disputed is the speed is considered very unreliable in racing and leisure environments. Find me a speed owner with more than 500 miles that hasn’t a serious failure.

For this reason I’ll take a pro r, can am, turbo s any day of the week

 

[MonkeyButt70]

My head hurts…..

 

[DLC]

@hallett21

top of the line is miss leading…. Don’t want to confuse you

Top of the Line Speed cars come with extra accessories not performance items

I believe Speed cars are All have the same motor trans chassis steering shocks
There are 3 different trim levels which adds accessories to the basic car - radios nets graphics seats etc.


a Polaris / Can am didn’t come with that platform, the added trim level added performance with better shocks & more electronics

 

[Bpracing1127]

@hallett21

top of the line is miss leading…. Don’t want to confuse you

Top of the Line Speed cars come with extra accessories not performance items

I believe Speed cars are All have the same motor trans chassis steering shocks
There are 3 different trim levels which adds accessories to the basic car - radios nets graphics seats etc.


a Polaris / Can am didn’t come with that platform, the added trim level added performance with better shocks & more electronics

great point!!

 

[Ziggy]

The fact the Speed car was so Uber hyped as leaps/bounds beyond the Asian SxS competition put customer expectations leaps/bound beyond the rest. Robbie put himself into the position to defend his claims with his words & not his product. I'm sure things will get handled as time goes on but in the mean time it's a PR nightmare of sorts.

 

[hallett21]

@hallett21

top of the line is miss leading…. Don’t want to confuse you

Top of the Line Speed cars come with extra accessories not performance items

I believe Speed cars are All have the same motor trans chassis steering shocks
There are 3 different trim levels which adds accessories to the basic car - radios nets graphics seats etc.


a Polaris / Can am didn’t come with that platform, the added trim level added performance with better shocks & more electronics

So we’re back to square 1? Lol

 

[DLC]

At the time my can am was under $32 w/ warranty OTD in November 2018 - $31 K and change forgot what the change was…
2018 RS max smart loc

I added a bunch of crap and I’m about $52 -55 not including wear items - I’ve gone thru 4 or 5 sets of tires.

I have 7,000 miles on my car not 1 broken belt - maintenance is key To a long lasting car.

I have had a few frame cracks / stress areas, 1 broken frt sway bar, blew out 1 rear wheel bearing ( only 1 I didn’t replace ) and I had the bearing at home, and I hit a rock and broke a Keller ball joint and bent a tire rod - tie rod & Keller ball joint were both covered under warranty

been running 35 inch tires since day 1

 

[DLC]

I have a high school buddy that is a can am rep, spoke to him last week.

I asked about the mav R max when is it going to be released? He said he can’t comment - which means 2 things next Season ( October )
or sometime in 2025

I also asked about my car w/ 7,000 miles - should I sell it ?

He said keep driving it like I stole it ! And to call him back in another 7,000 miles !!

lol

No worries on the motor and transmission just service it regularly

 

[Icky]

I have a high school buddy that is a can am rep, spoke to him last week.

I asked about the mav R max when is it going to be released? He said he can’t comment - which means 2 things next Season ( October )
or sometime in 2025

I also asked about my car w/ 7,000 miles - should I sell it ?

He said keep driving it like I stole it ! And to call him back in another 7,000 miles !!

lol

No worries on the motor and transmission just service it regularly

I was curious when they were going to release the 4 seater.

 

[stonehenge]

The fact the Speed car was so Uber hyped as leaps/bounds beyond the Asian SxS competition put customer expectations leaps/bound beyond the rest. Robbie put himself into the position to defend his claims with his words & not his product. I'm sure things will get handled as time goes on but in the mean time it's a PR nightmare of sorts.

I'm not sure where vietnam is, but I swear it is part of Asia? Just saying.

 

[Ziggy]

I'm not sure where vietnam is, but I swear it is part of Asia? Just saying.

Like I said, the Asian SxS competition. Not even sure there is any actual non-Asian SxS's Polaris sorta/maybe, ditto for cannedhams as far as assembly.

 

[RiverDave]

RD also thought this was a great “investment” opportunity and that Tim was innocent

I made money on my spots.. and giving someone the benefit of the doubt until it’s clear that it’s true kinda falls under the same thing as “innocent until proven guilty”. Something the youth of today has discarded.. now your guilty until proven innocent (especially on the internet)

 

[hallett21]

I'm not sure where vietnam is, but I swear it is part of Asia? Just saying.

Next to Cambodia, Thailand and about a stones throw away from China. Yes it’s Asia lol.

 

[hallett21]

I made money on my spots.. and giving someone the benefit of the doubt until it’s clear that it’s true kinda falls under the same thing as “innocent until proven guilty”. Something the youth of today has discarded.. now your guilty until proven innocent (especially on the internet)

Maybe you can give the honest clear cut break down. Your fully loaded car (SPEED) vs the equivalent at the time was what?

 

[RiverDave]

Great deal it that actually happens.

Happened.. past tense. lol.

 

[RiverDave]

Maybe you can give the honest clear cut break down. Your fully loaded car (SPEED) vs the equivalent at the time was what?

So ironically I bout a 2020 can am turbo rr on the same day I bought my first speed.

I paid 31k OTD for the can am. By the time the car was done I was into it 65k.

I purchased the speed rg edition for 35k and added just about everything you could want minus the stereo.. I am into it about 50k with the two year warranty. (I didn’t have the wxtebded warranty on the can am).

The speed is light years ahead of my can am in terms of a car.. however I will say I have a lot more faith in the can am from a reliability standpoint.

I enjoy driving the speed a lot more than the can am.. and I can say I feel considerably safer in it..

RD

 

[rivermobster]

The fact the Speed car was so Uber hyped as leaps/bounds beyond the Asian SxS competition put customer expectations leaps/bound beyond the rest. Robbie put himself into the position to defend his claims with his words & not his product. I'm sure things will get handled as time goes on but in the mean time it's a PR nightmare of sorts.

This percent ^^^

The other issue is...

The early buyers got a Huge discount, for being what we call "beta testers". Beta testers are people who Look for problems and help the manufacturer figure them out. They EXPECT and KNOW problems will exist.

This is what all the early buyers actually are. Make no mistake about that. Some of them Fully accept this position.

Others...

Bought into Robbie Gordon's marketing bullshit and thought they were gonna get the best thing since sliced bread. Serious disappointment lies ahead for these buyers.

ANYONE that has one of these early cars SHOULD be out trying to break it WHILE ITS STILL UNDER WARRANTY!!! This is your job as a beta tester and getting something at a huge discount.

And I'll leave you with this...

That aftermarket "white glove" warranty? It's administered by an aftermarket company, NOT SPEED.

Yeah so?

That means they won't be covering jack shit. And will fight Every claim tooth and nail.

Ziggy and I know this all too well from being in the automotive business for most of our careers.

Bottom line? Go break your shit. While it's still under warranty, and quit your whining. This is the program that you bought into.

 

[hallett21]

So ironically I bout a 2020 can am turbo rr on the same day I bought my first speed.

I paid 31k OTD for the can am. By the time the car was done I was into it 65k.

I purchased the speed rg edition for 35k and added just about everything you could want minus the stereo.. I am into it about 50k with the two year warranty. (I didn’t have the wxtebded warranty on the can am).

The speed is light years ahead of my can am in terms of a car.. however I will say I have a lot more faith in the can am from a reliability standpoint.

I enjoy driving the speed a lot more than the can am.. and I can say I feel considerably safer in it..

RD

So now we circle back again. You’re saying a 15k difference. Let say your numbers are off and it was 10k lol.

Which has always been my point, if you wanted a 10-15k discount you need to play by big boy rules and understand that headaches come with the discount.

I’m just lost on where adult men think they can get a 5 figure discount for “free” lol.

 

[rivermobster]

This is one Very unhappy beta tester!

#MakeGlamisSafe on Instagram: "Sorry about the language. @dezertracer812 has really been trying to make the #speedutv work and he finally broke down and speaks freely about the cars. Keep watching his reels he has another after this with a broken #sp

4,220 likes, 464 comments - boardmanville_glamis on March 8, 2024: "Sorry about the language. @dezertracer812 has really been trying to make the #speedutv work and he finally broke down and speaks freely about the cars. Keep watching his reels he has another after this with a broken #speedutv...

www.instagram.com

 

[RiverDave]

This percent ^^^

The other issue is...

The early buyers got a Huge discount, for being what we call "beta testers". Beta testers are people who Look for problems and help the manufacturer figure them out. They EXPECT and KNOW problems will exist.

This is what all the early buyers actually are. Make no mistake about that. Some of them Fully accept this position.

Others...

Bought into Robbie Gordon's marketing bullshit and thought they were gonna get the best thing since sliced bread. Serious disappointment lies ahead for these buyers.

ANYONE that has one of these early cars SHOULD be out trying to break it WHILE ITS STILL UNDER WARRANTY!!! This is your job as a better tester and getting something at a huge discount.

And I'll leave you with this...

That aftermarket "white glove" warranty? It's administered by an aftermarket company, NOT SPEED.

Yeah so?

That means they won't be covering jack shit. And will fight Every claim tooth and nail.

Ziggy and I know this all too well from being in the automotive business for most of our careers.

Bottom line? Go break your shit. While it's still under warranty, and quit your whining. This is the program that you bought into.

That is some solid logic there.. go break it intentionally that’s your job.. lol

So now we circle back again. You’re saying a 15k difference. Let say your numbers are off and it was 10k lol.

Which has always been my point, if you wanted a 10-15k discount you need to play by big boy rules and understand that headaches come with the discount.

I’m just lost on where adult men think they can get a 5 figure discount for “free” lol.

Oh it’s every bit of 15 and then some.. lol.

I’m not complaining.. but I live in the desert near speed and I don’t need to fly 12hrs to drive my car. I think I woulda bought something seasoned If that was my situation.

RD

 

[rivrrts429]

Surprised to not see any Speeds at the Mint, Robby and Max have raced this in the past, unless I missed something on the midway or sitting at main pits for 12 hours.

I’ll speak for myself but lap races aren’t anywhere nearly the fun that point-to-point races are. Any racing is fun, including lap races but, not until you’re doing point-to-point does it get ambitious and make the juice worth the squeeze IMO.

Robby now has an ownership stake in the NORRA series. No idea if that has an effect either way on which series he participates in. I just know he’s an animal in the point-to-point format so that’s where he wants to spend his resources. This shit is expensive so you have to be deliberate with your season strategy and all the cubic dollars that come with it.

I have no clue what his reason is for not participating in The Mint. It’s a big race but maybe doesn’t align with the where he wants to put his efforts and dollars.

The best lap racing today is KOH’s. That race we might do next year and Robby did this year.

 

[DWC]

This thread is the car wreck that you can’t stop from looking at. Incredible how much energy goes into the banter. . This thread is already the 3rd most viewed (that hasn’t been deleted). It’s more popular than boats and boobs. Damn, our priorities at F’d up.

 

[rivrrts429]

This is one Very unhappy beta tester!

#MakeGlamisSafe on Instagram: "Sorry about the language. @dezertracer812 has really been trying to make the #speedutv work and he finally broke down and speaks freely about the cars. Keep watching his reels he has another after this with a broken #sp

4,220 likes, 464 comments - boardmanville_glamis on March 8, 2024: "Sorry about the language. @dezertracer812 has really been trying to make the #speedutv work and he finally broke down and speaks freely about the cars. Keep watching his reels he has another after this with a broken #speedutv...

www.instagram.com

I might be getting old but that was a temper tantrum Karen moment. I still don’t know why people do this on social media? Once posted it lives on the internet forever.

It would never occur to me to post that type of video. I’d drive to Speed and do it in person. To each is own.

 

[hallett21]

That is some solid logic there.. go break it intentionally that’s your job.. lol



Oh it’s every bit of 15 and then some.. lol.

I’m not complaining.. but I live in the desert near speed and I don’t need to fly 12hrs to drive my car. I think I woulda bought something seasoned If that was my situation.

RD

This has been my point all along. No one can get the numbers straight because they have an agenda. Not targeted at anyone.

@Bpracing1127 his numbers are different than yours.

Which so be it. I don’t own desert equipment so it doesn’t matter. But no one seems to be able to call a spade a spade.

Look at the last 10 posts lol. There’s 4 different opinions .


Last I checked you could get these cars for less than what was available at the time. If I’m wrong then so be it. But now my understanding is that these cars were within 1-2k of RZR and CanAm ?

 

[RiverDave]

This has been my point all along. No one can get the numbers straight because they have an agenda. Not targeted at anyone.

@Bpracing1127 his numbers are different than yours.

Which so be it. I don’t own desert equipment so it doesn’t matter. But no one seems to be able to call a spade a spade.

Look at the last 10 posts lol. There’s 4 different opinions .


Last I checked you could get these cars for less than what was available at the time. If I’m wrong then so be it. But now my understanding is that these cars were within 1-2k of RZR and CanAm ?

I actually bought both at the same time.. lol. I know what it costs.

 

[Bpracing1127]

This has been my point all along. No one can get the numbers straight because they have an agenda. Not targeted at anyone.

@Bpracing1127 his numbers are different than yours.

Which so be it. I don’t own desert equipment so it doesn’t matter. But no one seems to be able to call a spade a spade.

Look at the last 10 posts lol. There’s 4 different opinions .


Last I checked you could get these cars for less than what was available at the time. If I’m wrong then so be it. But now my understanding is that these cars were within 1-2k of RZR and CanAm ?

and my numbers were off a rzr which was cheaper than a cam am, plus Daves can am had EVERYTHING done to it

 

[hallett21]

I actually bought both at the same time.. lol. I know what it costs.

Would you be willing to just go line for line on both?

Only so that when the whiners come out, they can see the discount they paid for.

Unless SPEED cars were costing the same as a new RZR or CanAm

 

[hallett21]

and my numbers were off a rzr which was cheaper than a cam am, plus Daves can am had EVERYTHING done to it

Can you and Dave lay out a legit cost of these cars? Because there’s a lot of gray matter here.

 

[RiverDave]

and my numbers were off a rzr which was cheaper than a cam am, plus Daves can am had EVERYTHING done to it

It’s about the same as my speed.. except the stereo. I’m into the speed 50 with the warranty about 48 without it

 

[RiverDave]

Would you be willing to just go line for line on both?

Only so that when the whiners come out, they can see the discount they paid for.

Unless SPEED cars were costing the same as a new RZR or CanAm

Fuck man that’s take a long time.. lol. I can probably pull the build sheets on the speed so you can see what I bought as accessories..

RD

 

[rivrrts429]

This thread is the car wreck that you can’t stop from looking at. Incredible how much energy goes into the banter. . This thread is already the 3rd most replied (that hasn’t been deleted). It’s more popular than boats and boobs. Damn, our priorities at F’d up.

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[DILLIGAF]

Would you be willing to just go line for line on both?

Only so that when the whiners come out, they can see the discount they paid for.

Unless SPEED cars were costing the same as a new RZR or CanAm

you dont have an off road vehicle or anything like that? are you currently looking to buy one?

 

[paradise]

Would you be willing to just go line for line on both?

Only so that when the whiners come out, they can see the discount they paid for.

Unless SPEED cars were costing the same as a new RZR or CanAm

RZR Pro R ultimate OTD price in CA $41k.

$35k for the extras to dial in a little more heavily than a normal play car:
cage w extra a pillar
roof
f and r custom bumpers w spare mount
custom windshield
skid plates
10 gal aux tank, built in to bed
Storage box
5x BFG 35s on bead grip wheels
Doors
window nets
seats
belts
Intercom and car to car radio
Pumper
bumper lights (BD single)
lighted whip
Rear sway links
ball joints
siren

 

[hallett21]

you dont have an off road vehicle or anything like that? are you currently looking to buy one?

I mean of course at all times

I’d probably buy the Polaris vehicle with the A/C.

I need to get rid of 7-8 dirt bikes and consolidate into 1-2 SXS.

Edit. I own a Honda

foreman 4x4
Yamaha Yz250f
CRF150
Xr100
Xr50

 

[rivermobster]

That is some solid logic there.. go break it intentionally that’s your job.. lol



Oh it’s every bit of 15 and then some.. lol.

I’m not complaining.. but I live in the desert near speed and I don’t need to fly 12hrs to drive my car. I think I woulda bought something seasoned If that was my situation.

RD

You are well aware you're a beta tester. Get to work! Lol

Or...

You're other option is wait till it's out of warranty to break?

 

[CLdrinker]

This is one Very unhappy beta tester!

#MakeGlamisSafe on Instagram: "Sorry about the language. @dezertracer812 has really been trying to make the #speedutv work and he finally broke down and speaks freely about the cars. Keep watching his reels he has another after this with a broken #sp

4,220 likes, 464 comments - boardmanville_glamis on March 8, 2024: "Sorry about the language. @dezertracer812 has really been trying to make the #speedutv work and he finally broke down and speaks freely about the cars. Keep watching his reels he has another after this with a broken #speedutv...

www.instagram.com

Who the fook is this guy?

Did he really say his wallet will crush Robbie’s?

 

[RiverDave]

You are well aware you're a beta tester. Get to work! Lol

Or...

You're other option is wait till it's out of warranty to break?

How about not abuse shit for the sake of abusing it?

 

[RiverDave]

Just took mine for a rip with two of the kids.. they fell asleep lol. I was running 40-60 mph from the north side to bison flats and then down

 

[rivermobster]

How about not abuse shit for the sake of abusing it?

Well if you were out of warranty, that would Definitely be the thing to do.

Has you're six months gone by already?

Being a beta tester is fun for some, but it's definitely not for everyone.

 

[Singleton]

I am still shocked at the LACK of professionalism RG has. Everyone in sales will one day get trigger by a customer. How you react when triggered sets you apart. RG responses online to customers is pure BS.

Beyond shocked the money behind this venture has not told RG to take a walk.

 

[FlyByWire]

Just took mine for a rip with two of the kids.. they fell asleep lol. I was running 40-60 mph from the north side to bison flats and then down




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Broooo swing by sometime. I wanna see that thing

 

[Mrs. Riley1]

RZR Pro R ultimate OTD price in CA $41k.

$35k for the extras to dial in a little more heavily than a normal play car:
cage w extra a pillar
roof
f and r custom bumpers w spare mount
custom windshield
10 gal aux tank, built in to bed
Storage box
5x BFG 35s on bead grip wheels
Doors
window nets
seats
belts
Intercom and car to car radio
Pumper
bumper lights (BD single)
lighted whip
Rear sway links
ball joints
siren

You added all that? Is there labor in that price?