Speed UTV take 3

[Bpracing1127]

At some point, they will run out of cars to deliver here shortly. Speed told me that they cannot produce 2024 cars until they get there 2024 certs from the EPA and carb. Considering we are into March I would think the last cars produced in December of 2023 would be delivered very soon.

100% i know people who picked up their car in the last 2 weeks and they are 2023 model years. I check the EPA and CARB website weekly (which is almost updated daily) for the roster of approved 2024 cars and SPEED isn't on it. This is why there is no speed key still. They could get you the key but no top end lube and according to RG the engines won't live. My assumption isn't they didn't do any testing with the speed key, other than 30 min in Glamis.

 

[DMF]

I haven't heard about anything like that. I do know that they will be delivering cars for about another year before they even have to worry about building more.. I'd expect more in production very soon to keep up with demand.

I know that Robby has purchased some spots back if people wanted refunds in order to sell those spots to new customers, or take the cars and sell them at today's pricing.

RD

My El Jefe is in the 1800's, and I changed it this week from a RG to a LE. They told me it hasn't been produced yet because they don't have current certs for 2024. In my opinion, if they cannot produce any new cars until they get this year's certs, they eventually will run out of cars to deliver. The sales guy told me they didn't realize that they have to get new certs every year even though the cars have not changed. They now have applied for 2024 and 2025 certs. They asked if they could be moved up in the que for 2024 in order to expedite the process.

 

[Bpracing1127]

My El Jefe is in the 1800's, and I changed it this week from a RG to a LE. They told me it hasn't been produced yet because they don't have current certs for 2024. In my opinion, if they cannot produce any new cars until they get this year's certs, they eventually will run out of cars to deliver. The sales guy told me they didn't realize that they have to get new certs every year even though the cars have not changed. They now have applied for 2024 and 2025 certs. They asked if they could be moved up in the que for 2024 in order to expedite the process.

Typical garage shop company.

Also isn’t Mint this weekend are they racing it?

 

[NIKAL]

My El Jefe is in the 1800's, and I changed it this week from a RG to a LE. They told me it hasn't been produced yet because they don't have current certs for 2024. In my opinion, if they cannot produce any new cars until they get this year's certs, they eventually will run out of cars to deliver. The sales guy told me they didn't realize that they have to get new certs every year even though the cars have not changed. They now have applied for 2024 and 2025 certs. They asked if they could be moved up in the que for 2024 in order to expedite the process.

Don’t believe a sales guy if what you say is true. They knew they have to get the annual certs. Todd R & myself were talking about this process back in September. Years ago Speed hired the same company that gets BRP /Can Am vehicles EPA/Carb approved, so they know what they are doing. Typically if no changes are made the renewal process is mostly paper & documentation. The 2024 certs were in process months before the new year. I was told there was a few issues they had along the way, and in some cases because of a new part or tune change, they have had to fully retest some parts of the process, not allowing them to just to the simple renewal. Also if something happens or changes during that test, you must start that test all over. An example of this would be; Your running the 10,000 KM chassis dyno test. The only down time, which is timed, is to allow to change tires, or to do oil changes. So let’s say your at 8,000 Km and you spring an oil hose leak. Your done! Fix it and start over. Or imagine getting several thousand miles in and a turbo has an issue, or a water pump seal fails. Yep you get it! Start over. Or your testing the car, and you find out you need to adjust the cold start tune in the ECU, or lower the rev limiter because of what your finding out with customer cars in the field. Start over!

Also they can sell the 2023 model for awhile as long as they meet some requirements, which I don’t know exactly what those are? But this could allow them to continue to sell cars as 2023 for much of 2024.

 

[DMF]

Don’t believe a sales guy if what you say is true. They knew they have to get the annual certs. Todd R & myself were talking about this process back in September. Years ago Speed hired the same company that gets BRP /Can Am vehicles EPA/Carb approved, so they know what they are doing. Typically if no changes are made the renewal process is mostly paper & documentation. The 2024 certs were in process months before the new year. I was told there was a few issues they had along the way, and in some cases because of a new part or tune change, they have had to fully retest some parts of the process, not allowing them to just to the simple renewal. Also if something happens or changes during that test, you must start that test all over. An example of this would be; Your running the 10,000 KM chassis dyno test. The only down time, which is timed, is to allow to change tires, or to do oil changes. So let’s say your at 8,000 Km and you spring an oil hose leak. Your done! Fix it and start over. Or imagine getting several thousand miles in and a turbo has an issue, or a water pump seal fails. Yep you get it! Start over. Or your testing the car, and you find out you need to adjust the cold start tune in the ECU, or lower the rev limiter because of what your finding out with customer cars in the field. Start over!

Also they can sell the 2023 model for awhile as long as they meet some requirements, which I don’t know exactly what those are? But this could allow them to continue to sell cars as 2023 for much of 2024.

Don't believe a sales guy, but yet you believe Todd Ramano. Todd and Robby both have said many, many things that have not been truthful. I didn't say they can't sell 23 models. I was told they can't produce any new cars in 2024 until they get certs. If your car has not been built yet, then it will not be built until they get 2024 certs. Sell and produce are two different things.

 

[RiverDave]

Don't believe a sales guy, but yet you believe Todd Ramano. Todd and Robby both have said many, many things that have not been truthful. I didn't say they can't sell 23 models. I was told they can't produce any new cars in 2024 until they get certs. If your car has not been built yet, then it will not be built until they get 2024 certs. Sell and produce are two different things.

I think there’s a difference between produce and sell..

 

[DMF]

I think there’s a difference between produce and sell..

That's exactly what I said!

 

[Heylam]

How does changing tunes on a vehicle with an approved cert affect the approved cert (I.e. Rd says his tune was changed on his repaired Speed car)? If a manufacturer changes a vehicle post cert do they need to reapply for a new cert?

 

[sandshark1]

PSA...

David Hargett on Instagram: "A hose failed that should have been replaced but no worries it will be fixed and running again shortly! #speed75 #glamis"

385 likes, 44 comments - dezertracer812 on March 7, 2024: "A hose failed that should have been replaced but no worries it will be fixed and running again shortly! #speed75 #glamis".

www.instagram.com

Poor guy can't catch a break. Brand new motor and the Speed repair guys missed a bad hose.

 

[stonehenge]

Poor guy can't catch a break. Brand new motor and the Speed repair guys missed a bad hose.

I was curious on what caused the fire in the first place that burned the hose and required a new motor?

 

[outboard_256]

I was curious on what caused the fire in the first place that burned the hose and required a new motor?

 

[ZSTIV]

View attachment 1344848

Old News

 

[BHC Vic]

Ol boy is pissed!!

 

[sandshark1]

I was curious on what caused the fire in the first place that burned the hose and required a new motor?

The decompression pin decided to explore the rest of his motor is what caused his engine failure. Hopefully he shut the new motor down before it overheated because that hose broke.

 

[zhandfull]

Ol boy is pissed!!

They do look nice!

 

[attitude]

Ol boy is pissed!!

Wasn’t he a big support of Speed?

 

[zhandfull]

I was one that doubted that anyone would ever get their cars. Now that these UTV have been getting delivered for about a year now. I have to wonder if the rate of production/deliveries is profitable. If it’s not profitable yet, what does it look like when it is? What kind of production and deliveries annually does it take to make Speed successful?

 

[BHC Vic]

Wasn’t he a big support of Speed?

He is but he’s frustrated. I get it. My boat caught on fire when we first got it and I said some stupid shit out of anger.

 

[outboard_256]

Old News

I was answering his question on how the radiator hose got burnt and engine blew.

But you are right that is old news, current news is he got a new motor, but first 30 miles blew a belt, radiator hose, and turbo/exhaust. He now wants to sell and buy a Pro-R.

 

[ZSTIV]

Welp hes been through the ringer a little, seems like the first 100 cars have had more issues that the rest. Feel bad for him.
Couple of the items like hoses rubbing I have encountered but we just adjusted and fixed it, not that bid of a deal.
I have had the opposite experience and have over 1300 miles on the car now, but its unfortunate these issues have arisen for him. I can get his frustration.

 

[rivermobster]

Ol boy is pissed!!

Robbie should enjoy this immensely!

 

[sandshark1]

Robbie should enjoy this immensely!

LOL! So I guess this blows away the talk the early guys could only say nice things about Speed and be hush hush about the bad stuff.

 

[rivermobster]

LOL! So I guess this blows away the talk the early guys could only say nice things about Speed and be hush hush about the bad stuff.

Stevie Wonder could have seen all this coming...

Hopefully, eventually, it will all get sorted out.

 

[rivrrts429]

I love the car and if they can get this figured out, which they will, they’ll have a great car.

There’s no other suspension on the market like it. Everything else is old radius arm technology that has its limits. The Speed car is an actual off road car IMO after competing against it.

This is not the car for you if your a Glamis person or ride technical trails. It’s heavy and is built with desert or Baja in mind, not Glamis.

But gawd damn they need to improve quality control and the motor ASAP.

 

[attitude]

He is but he’s frustrated. I get it. My boat caught on fire when we first got it and I said some stupid shit out of anger.

Well judging by his latest video I don’t think he is a Speed supporter anymore

 

[Singleton]

I think there’s a difference between produce and sell..

Difference is model year.
As long as they are model year 2023, does not matter when they are produced.
model year typically begins in August to September of the preceding calendar year, and can though the nest calendar year

 

[rivermobster]

So how does that work when you take delivery of a 2023 in 2025??

 

[RiverDave]

Honestly this guy is a wild card.. taking the speed out of the equation here for a minute.. this guy has been the biggest cheer leader for speed, but every time something happens he’s the first to be on the internet screaming about it.. then he got hooked up with the spring guys and he’s been soap boxing that how it’s the ultimate combo.. he just recently did the cg lighting thing..

He’s just loud hoping to get shit for free or paid on referrals..

The first time he got his car I watched all the videos and it was flat footing everywhere.. I actually talked to Robby about it and said “that’s how your customers break in their cars?” Seems like a lot of guys abuse the fuck out of these things as soon as they get them all trying to prove they are better than the other cars..

That said I know this guy has had problems, but the behavior is crazy. A blind man coulda seen this coming though because you aren’t gonna keep someone like that happy forever..

I love my car but I’ll freely admit I don’t beat the fuck out of it because I know I can break it if I did.. I didn’t beat on my can am either though.. these things are expensive. If you are gonna drive them like race cars you are gonna end up fixing it like race cars.. lol

RD

 

[riverroyal]

Went out last night for an hour and a half.. love it!

Found a new bar out in the desert

View attachment 1344538 View attachment 1344539

Where is this RD?

 

[RiverDave]

Where is this RD?

Just go up bison wash and follow the trail till it ends and it’s right there

 

[BHC Vic]

Honestly this guy is a wild card.. taking the speed out of the equation here for a minute.. this guy has been the biggest cheer leader for speed, but every time something happens he’s the first to be on the internet screaming about it.. then he got hooked up with the spring guys and he’s been soap boxing that how it’s the ultimate combo.. he just recently did the cg lighting thing..

He’s just loud hoping to get shit for free or paid on referrals..

The first time he got his car I watched all the videos and it was flat footing everywhere.. I actually talked to Robby about it and said “that’s how your customers break in their cars?” Seems like a lot of guys abuse the fuck out of these things as soon as they get them all trying to prove they are better than the other cars..

That said I know this guy has had problems, but the behavior is crazy. A blind man coulda seen this coming though because you aren’t gonna keep someone like that happy forever..

I love my car but I’ll freely admit I don’t beat the fuck out of it because I know I can break it if I did.. I didn’t beat on my can am either though.. these things are expensive. If you are gonna drive them like race cars you are gonna end up fixing it like race cars.. lol

RD

I disagree. I don’t think he’s looking for free shit. Guy has more money than he knows what to do with. He doesn’t mind paying for anything he just wants the shit to be turn key. Look at the stacker he just bought, the new dually, the new 5th wheel he pays to have delivered and picked up. He doesn’t need free shit. Me on the other hand… I need some free shit. He’s just loud. Like fuckstickrick… who also doesn’t need any free shit

 

[DWC]

Robbie should enjoy this immensely!

That was brutal. He talked a big game. I’d bet an apology is coming though.

 

[outboard_256]

Looks like David talked to Robby and Robby told him to F-off. David is not happy and posting all the dirty laundry now. I wonder how this is going to turn out.

Instagram

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "My speed caught fire and the fire extinguisher failed, thankfully my kids weren’t in the car. Im sorry to everyone for not being more transparent about this earlier but I never wanted trouble with speed and honestly wante

513 likes, 42 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "My speed caught fire and the fire extinguisher failed, thankfully my kids weren’t in the car. Im sorry to everyone for not being more transparent about this earlier but I never wanted trouble with speed and honestly wanted nothing but...

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "Another speed broke down! #glamis #speedutv #speed75 #canam #polaris #sxs"

470 likes, 24 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "Another speed broke down! #glamis #speedutv #speed75 #canam #polaris #sxs".

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "Broken starter!"

430 likes, 33 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "Broken starter!".

www.instagram.com

 

[Englewood]

Looks like David talked to Robby and Robby told him to F-off. David is not happy and posting all the dirty laundry now. I wonder how this is going to turn out.

Instagram

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "My speed caught fire and the fire extinguisher failed, thankfully my kids weren’t in the car. Im sorry to everyone for not being more transparent about this earlier but I never wanted trouble with speed and honestly wante

513 likes, 42 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "My speed caught fire and the fire extinguisher failed, thankfully my kids weren’t in the car. Im sorry to everyone for not being more transparent about this earlier but I never wanted trouble with speed and honestly wanted nothing but...

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "Another speed broke down! #glamis #speedutv #speed75 #canam #polaris #sxs"

470 likes, 24 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "Another speed broke down! #glamis #speedutv #speed75 #canam #polaris #sxs".

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "Broken starter!"

430 likes, 33 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "Broken starter!".

www.instagram.com

View attachment 1345211

When was the last time Polaris or CanAm told a customer to go F themselves and posted about it publicly? This is becoming amateur hour. It I s almost laughable at this point. I do feel for those that purchased and are still waiting. $40-$50k is a lot of money for most people. I hope they can recoup some costs before this whole deal goes BK.

 

[RiverDave]

I disagree. I don’t think he’s looking for free shit. Guy has more money than he knows what to do with. He doesn’t mind paying for anything he just wants the shit to be turn key. Look at the stacker he just bought, the new dually, the new 5th wheel he pays to have delivered and picked up. He doesn’t need free shit. Me on the other hand… I need some free shit. He’s just loud. Like fuckstickrick… who also doesn’t need any free shit

Finance being the key word..

Theirs is no low apr’s right now other than factory direct which. None of the shit you said is

Long story short he’s a wild Card. Always has been. Was super loud the whole time.. got his shit fixed first when it broke.. abused all of it.. made some money on some springs.. cg lighting was the next cause.. and now fuck this shit.

I own rdp and when my shit broke you didn’t see me acting like that. I deal with these people all the time..

Strangely it was asked of me to be exactly this guy in the aftermarket and I said no. I’m good where I’m at.. I’m getting g older though. I’m not looking for the quick flash in the pan shit..

 

[RiverDave]

When was the last time Polaris or CanAm told a customer to go F themselves and posted about it publicly? This is becoming amateur hour. It I s almost laughable at this point. I do feel for those that purchased and are still waiting. $40-$50k is a lot of money for most people. I hope they can recoup some costs before this whole deal goes BK.

When was the last time you talked to a CEO of Polaris.. Robby bent over backwards for this guy and it bit him.. truth be told I told Robby this guy is a nightmare six months ago. Back when he was a cheerleader.

Guys like this are always an issue.. they’re super important just ask them.

 

[RiverDave]

Looks like David talked to Robby and Robby told him to F-off. David is not happy and posting all the dirty laundry now. I wonder how this is going to turn out.

Instagram

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "My speed caught fire and the fire extinguisher failed, thankfully my kids weren’t in the car. Im sorry to everyone for not being more transparent about this earlier but I never wanted trouble with speed and honestly wante

513 likes, 42 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "My speed caught fire and the fire extinguisher failed, thankfully my kids weren’t in the car. Im sorry to everyone for not being more transparent about this earlier but I never wanted trouble with speed and honestly wanted nothing but...

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "Another speed broke down! #glamis #speedutv #speed75 #canam #polaris #sxs"

470 likes, 24 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "Another speed broke down! #glamis #speedutv #speed75 #canam #polaris #sxs".

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "Broken starter!"

430 likes, 33 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "Broken starter!".

www.instagram.com

View attachment 1345211

How much would you take after you bent over backwards? Good lord.. have you watched the whole thing?

 

[BHC Vic]

Finance being the key word..

Theirs is no low apr’s right now other than factory direct which. None of the shit you said is

Long story short he’s a wild Card. Always has been. Was super loud the whole time.. got his shit fixed first when it broke.. abused all of it.. made some money on some springs.. cg lighting was the next cause.. and now fuck this shit.

I own rdp and when my shit broke you didn’t see me acting like that. I deal with these people all the time..

Strangely it was asked of me to be exactly this guy in the aftermarket and I said no. I’m good where I’m at.. I’m getting g older though. I’m not looking for the quick flash in the pan shit..

lol Dave your emotional. The guy has plenty of money

 

[4Waters]

Looks like David talked to Robby and Robby told him to F-off. David is not happy and posting all the dirty laundry now. I wonder how this is going to turn out.

Instagram

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "My speed caught fire and the fire extinguisher failed, thankfully my kids weren’t in the car. Im sorry to everyone for not being more transparent about this earlier but I never wanted trouble with speed and honestly wante

513 likes, 42 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "My speed caught fire and the fire extinguisher failed, thankfully my kids weren’t in the car. Im sorry to everyone for not being more transparent about this earlier but I never wanted trouble with speed and honestly wanted nothing but...

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "Another speed broke down! #glamis #speedutv #speed75 #canam #polaris #sxs"

470 likes, 24 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "Another speed broke down! #glamis #speedutv #speed75 #canam #polaris #sxs".

www.instagram.com

David Hargett on Instagram: "Broken starter!"

430 likes, 33 comments - dezertracer812 on March 8, 2024: "Broken starter!".

www.instagram.com

View attachment 1345211

He needs to remember he got an early car, so did @RiverDave RD has already posted that he went into this knowing this and completely expected issues, sounds like this guy expected a 3rd or 4th year car.

There is a reason it is a well known fact to not buy a 1st year anything unless you are ok with some issues.

 

[BHC Vic]

He needs to remember he got an early car, so did @RiverDave RD has already posted that he went into this knowing this and completely expected issues, sounds like this guy expected a 3rd or 4th year car.

There is a reason it is a well known fact to not buy a 1st year anything unless you are ok with some issues.

RD also thought this was a great “investment” opportunity and that Tim was innocent

 

[rivrrts429]

It’s always a red flag when someone uses social media in the way he does. I don’t put a whole lot of faith into these accounts whether they’re positive or negative. Chasing the money is to hard for most people to be genuine.

Any of you have people on your social media accounts that overly share all of their business and your bullshit meter is bouncing off the rev limiter?

He may be okay but his use of social media screams attention and a need for page views and likes. My bullshit meter has been pegged with that dude.

I don’t dispute that the guy has had issues with his car. It’s how he handles it that has me scratching my head.

 

[hallett21]

Guy seems volatile as hell. When I see “entrepreneur” in someone’s bio my eyebrows tend to rise lol. Maybe he has money but anyone who spends that much time and has that many posts hyping up Speed (or anything) is looking for something.

I’d expect any CEO to stay calm and collected at all times (it’s not fair but that’s life). You start telling people to fuck themselves and you go from corporate millionaire to just another guy in the eyes of the public.

I sure hope SPEED can get these kinks worked out.

 

[rivrrts429]

Guy seems volatile as hell. When I see “entrepreneur” in someone’s bio my eyebrows tend to rise lol. Maybe he has money but anyone who spends that much time and has that many posts hyping up Speed (or anything) is looking for something.

I’d expect any CEO to stay calm and collected at all times (it’s not fair but that’s life). You start telling people to fuck themselves and you go from corporate millionaire to just another guy in the eyes of the public.

I sure hope SPEED can get these kinks worked out.

Sometimes you have to fire a customer lol

 

[hallett21]

Sometimes you have to fire a customer lol

Lol I 100% agree. In a heated moment if you do tell a customer to go fuck themselves I don’t think I’d confirm it with a comment on social media.

 

[rivrrts429]

Lol I 100% agree. In a heated moment if you do tell a customer to go fuck themselves I don’t think I’d confirm it with a comment on social media.

Ya not the finest way to do it. Although I could make an argument that sometimes it’s necessary that if you kill one in a spectacular fashion you teach a thousand others hahaha

But I agree with you. Best to close the door on him in a more professional way and let him roll off into the sunset.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Sometimes you have to fire a customer lol

This is RGs pattern of being a temper switch. Most of his relationships end this way. He fires clients and we have seen him fire sponsors…..

 

[Englewood]

When was the last time you talked to a CEO of Polaris.. Robby bent over backwards for this guy and it bit him.. truth be told I told Robby this guy is a nightmare six months ago. Back when he was a cheerleader.

Guys like this are always an issue.. they’re super important just ask them.

That’s my point. Robby has no concept of how to treat a customer or run a business. I don’t speak to the CEO of Polaris as there is a dealer network and resources to fix problems that may arise. I’m not bashing speed cars at all. I wish all of the owners the best, as they deserve a quality product.

RG is a liability and a PR nightmare. He can “F-you” all he wants but there are some crazy MFers out there who won’t put up with that. I don’t know anything about this person in the video. How did RG bend over backwards for him? I’m not in the know on this situation and genuinely curious.

If Robby took a friendly approach to his dealings with customers, it would help the brand tremendously. He isn’t doing himself any favors.

 

[Outdrive1]

It’s always a red flag when someone uses social media in the way he does. I don’t put a whole lot of faith into these accounts whether they’re positive or negative. Chasing the money is to hard for most people to be genuine.

Any of you have people on your social media accounts that overly share all of their business and your bullshit meter is bouncing off the rev limiter?

He may be okay but his use of social media screams attention and a need for page views and likes. My bullshit meter has been pegged with that dude.

I don’t dispute that the guy has had issues with his car. It’s how he handles it that has me scratching my head.

You mean like the out of shape friends that post that they’re at the gym every day and post their workout? Yet when you see them next month they still look fat as fuck…..

 

[Socalx09]

As for blaming customers, when our RZR power steering unit failed.. warranty said we had front end damage, we did not.. then said our shocks must be shot, etc. We had to provide proof against the claims. I heard that sometimes they will even go as far to know when the error code happened and say why did you continue driving it.. to get back to camp! Their delivery may be better in the way they phase things, but they will always try to investigate if the customer is at fault first.

It would be very frustrating to haul everything to the desert and have things fail all the time and then have to tow it back to havasu. I know when we have trips when everything seems to go wrong, it is not fun at all.

I’m sure that phone call was between two guys that have a bit of an ego. That won’t go well at all.

 

[rivrrts429]

As for as blaming customers, when our RZR power steering unit failed.. warranty said we had front end damage, we did not.. then said our shocks must be shot, etc. We had to provide proof against the claims. I heard that sometimes they will even go as far to know when the error code happened and say why did you continue driving it.. to get back to camp! Their delivery may be better in the way they phase things, but they will always try to investigate if the customer is at fault first.

It would be very frustrating to haul everything to the desert and have things fail all the time and then have to tow it back to havasu. I know when we have trips when everything seems to go wrong, it is not fun at all.

I’m sure that phone call was between two guys that have a bit of an ego. That won’t go well at all.

I don’t know if you did or you didn’t but don’t use a jumper box on the battery to start your RZR if the battery is low.

Using the jumper box fries the power steering module on the Polaris since it’s an electric power steering assembly.

We knew better on our pre runner RZR and did it anyways. Lost the power steering immediately.

This is my PSA for the day lol