Speed UTV take 3

[That Guy]

Yeah we aren’t doing that again lol.. or more specifically “you” aren’t doing that again

RD

Amen! Thanks Dave.....

 

[stonehenge]

This one is pretty popular. I think we have an inmate or two involved.

My bro in law races when he has the time.

It's not for the faint of heart. Or wallet.

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I pit for a guy in DP4, everyone I have meet at all the races are super friendly, like family. And the organizers are all solid folks as well. The night races are way crazy, can't believe they go full throttle at night like they do. Good times.

 

[PaPaG]

OK serious question. Some talk about the Can Am, Pro R, Pro, etc etc. Since we have no real world info on the speed car yet which car would you put as the #1, #2 front runners for a 4 seater that is almost bone stock or with some minor work with good power, street able, capable of speeds above 65mph just in case it is needed, handling both street and some rough terrain off road purposes, possibly desert wash stuff as well, and maybe once in a great while dunes. So many to choose from so many options have absolutely no clue which way to choose. Then to top if off I see the Defender all closed in, heater, air, very little dirt when messing around and the best part is the wife would love it...

 

[riverroyal]

Right now pro R.
The can am platform has not changed in 5 years? They have made changes, like thicker tubing and tabs. Better digital dash, and more. But it more or less the same. Not a 'new' design.
The pro R is not as fast due to weights, but its pretty amazing. You don't need to go 80 in the desert.

If I was buying today ploaris.
If I'm buying next year, can am. They have something on the way.

But, that Pro R will cost you 20k more? Maybe less.

You can get a extremely nice loaded with accessories can am for the same OTD pro R.

With all that said, my 2019 can am surprises me every time I drive it. These things are crazy fun

I do think polaris has the upper hand currently, and I owe a can am

 

[RiverDave]

OK serious question. Some talk about the Can Am, Pro R, Pro, etc etc. Since we have no real world info on the speed car yet which car would you put as the #1, #2 front runners for a 4 seater that is almost bone stock or with some minor work with good power, street able, capable of speeds above 65mph just in case it is needed, handling both street and some rough terrain off road purposes, possibly desert wash stuff as well, and maybe once in a great while dunes. So many to choose from so many options have absolutely no clue which way to choose. Then to top if off I see the Defender all closed in, heater, air, very little dirt when messing around and the best part is the wife would love it...

I am tossed between the Pro R and the defender. I know the defender is gonna be slow as shit.. but the heat / enclosed? Might be worth the trade off.. I really enjoyed my ranger crew that Barker built me

 

[rivermobster]

OK serious question. Some talk about the Can Am, Pro R, Pro, etc etc. Since we have no real world info on the speed car yet which car would you put as the #1, #2 front runners for a 4 seater that is almost bone stock or with some minor work with good power, street able, capable of speeds above 65mph just in case it is needed, handling both street and some rough terrain off road purposes, possibly desert wash stuff as well, and maybe once in a great while dunes. So many to choose from so many options have absolutely no clue which way to choose. Then to top if off I see the Defender all closed in, heater, air, very little dirt when messing around and the best part is the wife would love it...

I'd get the Honda, just because it's not a rubber band car.

But as expensive as these things are getting, I'd probably just get a real car. So much more for the money.

In a few years, when people are done loosing their minds over these things, I might break down and get a used one cheap.

With age come a cage. Why the younger generation buys these will always be a mistery to me. Kinna like wake board boats...

 

[RiverDave]

Right now pro R.
The can am platform has not changed in 5 years? They have made changes, like thicker tubing and tabs. Better digital dash, and more. But it more or less the same. Not a 'new' design.
The pro R is not as fast due to weights, but its pretty amazing. You don't need to go 80 in the desert.

If I was buying today ploaris.
If I'm buying next year, can am. They have something on the way.

But, that Pro R will cost you 20k more? Maybe less.

You can get a extremely nice loaded with accessories can am for the same OTD pro R.

With all that said, my 2019 can am surprises me every time I drive it. These things are crazy fun

I do think polaris has the upper hand currently, and I owe a can am

Pro R is 45k plus taxes for an Ultimate

 

[baja-chris]

You don't need to go 80 in the desert.

Preposterous!

 

[Sand Shark]

I read and got this on another forum. Polaris spent 3 years developing the Pro R models, and then had a one year delay due to Covid as they could not get parts. So it took Polaris 4 years to release the Pro models and the company, manufacturing, suppliers and assembly lines were all ready established. Plus they use parts & pieces from previous models, so not everything is brand new.
Robby partnered with Arctic Cat in 2015 and the XX was not released until 2018. That’s 3 years and like Polaris have established manufacturing, suppliers & assembly. Both Polaris and Arctic Cat also use outside company’s like Team, Fox, Maxxis to design and build major parts for them. Arctic Cat also used Yamaha for engines too.
Speed is a new company that good or bad has chose to build & design everything in-house instead of outsourcing like the other brands do. They are now in year 3 which is how long it took Polaris & Arctic Car to design and release their cars. Maybe it just seems like it’s taking longer because we heard about it and they took deposits on day 1. Where as the others you don’t know how long they are taking.

Id guess Can Am has been working on there next X3 for as long as Polaris worked on the Pro R. I think it’s going to be better then both the Pro R & Speed as Can Am has always been the leader in hp and wheel travel.

 

[blefever]

I think it’s the third.. but I could be wrong.

I was trying to be funny....................I'm sure you're correct about the third time..............but the direction the thread was already going, I'm thinking there may need to be a fourth time to "heard the cats"

 

[ArizonaKevin]

So if the 2552lb number is correct and Polaris specs of the Pro R 4 seater at 2480lb is correct they are pretty damn close on weight! It will be interesting to see a drag race stock vs stock. The Canam 4 seater is actually faster than the Pro R once they get going on a straight from what I have seen, but when they get in the bumps the Pro R just says goodbye.

I just got my car back from SDG so i'm excited to see how much better it works now too! Hopefully some of my friends get their Speed cars so we can have some real head to head tests!

Welcome to the boards fish, thanks for the Baja live streams

 

[monkeyswrench]

I have a side question pertaining to SxS's in general. Why are these things so heavy? As pointed out, a full body drag car can be lighter, and still pass tech. A tube chassis, BBC Vega with all the "good stuff" can weigh in at 2250 or so. I understand things like pivot points needing gussets and a-arms built to deflect when side loaded...but damn. I just can't help but think building it stronger means adding weight, added weight means build it stronger. Not to mention, more weight to suspend, and more power needed to move it.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

I have a side question pertaining to SxS's in general. Why are these things so heavy? As pointed out, a full body drag car can be lighter, and still pass tech. A tube chassis, BBC Vega with all the "good stuff" can weigh in at 2250 or so. I understand things like pivot points needing gussets and a-arms built to deflect when side loaded...but damn. I just can't help but think building it stronger means adding weight, added weight means build it stronger. Not to mention, more weight to suspend, and more power needed to move it.

Off-road at speed weight can be your friend.

 

[riverroyal]

I've added at least 300lbs to mine.
Speakers alone a f'ing heavy

 

[rivermobster]

I have a side question pertaining to SxS's in general. Why are these things so heavy? As pointed out, a full body drag car can be lighter, and still pass tech. A tube chassis, BBC Vega with all the "good stuff" can weigh in at 2250 or so. I understand things like pivot points needing gussets and a-arms built to deflect when side loaded...but damn. I just can't help but think building it stronger means adding weight, added weight means build it stronger. Not to mention, more weight to suspend, and more power needed to move it.

Drag cars don't have crazy limited slip transfer cases and sold axles and spindles at every corner. Weight adds up Fast.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Drag cars don't have crazy limited slip transfer cases and sold axles and spindles at every corner. Weight adds up Fast.

Nodular 9" 3rd members aren't light, and neither are BBC cranks...and blowers, bottles and the rest of the fun stuff!

 

[Outdrive1]

I read and got this on another forum. Polaris spent 3 years developing the Pro R models, and then had a one year delay due to Covid as they could not get parts. So it took Polaris 4 years to release the Pro models and the company, manufacturing, suppliers and assembly lines were all ready established. Plus they use parts & pieces from previous models, so not everything is brand new.
Robby partnered with Arctic Cat in 2015 and the XX was not released until 2018. That’s 3 years and like Polaris have established manufacturing, suppliers & assembly. Both Polaris and Arctic Cat also use outside company’s like Team, Fox, Maxxis to design and build major parts for them. Arctic Cat also used Yamaha for engines too.
Speed is a new company that good or bad has chose to build & design everything in-house instead of outsourcing like the other brands do. They are now in year 3 which is how long it took Polaris & Arctic Car to design and release their cars. Maybe it just seems like it’s taking longer because we heard about it and they took deposits on day 1. Where as the others you don’t know how long they are taking.

Id guess Can Am has been working on there next X3 for as long as Polaris worked on the Pro R. I think it’s going to be better then both the Pro R & Speed as Can Am has always been the leader in hp and wheel travel.

I couldn’t find a Pro R for a good price. Ended up with a Turbo R and I’m stoked with it. There’s so much better than the old XP’s and my Can am. You won’t be disappointed with either. I bought an XP used so my family could have something to ride next week, holy shit it’s like a Rhino in comparison. The suspension parts are tiny, the cab is tiny. It’s like comparing a Ford Ranger to an F350.

 

[rivermobster]

Nodular 9" 3rd members aren't light, and neither are BBC cranks...and blowers, bottles and the rest of the fun stuff!

Oh. So you meant one of these?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Oh. So you meant one of these?

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I was thinking more 1/4 mile than mud pit...but that would be fun around here!

 

[Albacore]

Most manufacturers don’t share the R&D process either? I rather enjoyed watching it come to life. It’s a shame that this transparency went negative in terms of marketing.. I do blame some of Robbie’s attitude toward other mfg’s for that though

I know more about the speed car than any of the rzr’s I have ever owned and I don’t even have it yet.

Me too I would’ve never bought one if I hadn’t seen what I saw and know what I know from a fabrication standpoint I’m doing most of my own work. what they started off in 2019 would not have interested me at all. I’m coming up in February for my one year deposit anniversary. Diablo 3200 and something.

 

[Albacore]

I didn't read the 10,000 posts on other thread, i would be curious to know how many people would of threw down deposits if they were told it will be 3 years before getting it.

I would have but not for the original product only for what came about after they decided to do it all on their own I would say if you had to go by the time about a year and a half ago and what was being shown in the weekly shows again I never thought these things could’ve been done in a year or two years from a mass production standpoint

 

[daytona man]

I would have but not for the original product only for what came about after they decided to do it all on their own I would say if you had to go by the time about a year and a half ago and what was being shown in the weekly shows again I never thought these things could’ve been done in a year or two years from a mass production standpoint

At this point I don't really see them being in mass production . For the sake of everyone that have deposits on the Speed car I hope sometime soon they start mass producing them !

 

[Fishd00d]

OK serious question. Some talk about the Can Am, Pro R, Pro, etc etc. Since we have no real world info on the speed car yet which car would you put as the #1, #2 front runners for a 4 seater that is almost bone stock or with some minor work with good power, street able, capable of speeds above 65mph just in case it is needed, handling both street and some rough terrain off road purposes, possibly desert wash stuff as well, and maybe once in a great while dunes. So many to choose from so many options have absolutely no clue which way to choose. Then to top if off I see the Defender all closed in, heater, air, very little dirt when messing around and the best part is the wife would love it...

I have had a fully built to the tilt X3 followed by a fully built Turbo S, now I have a Pro R thats getting there, all of them 4 seaters.......there is no comparison.

The Canam and the Turbo S were really close, I liked the wheelbase of the Canam better and the bigger cab and the HP was nice. The turbo S was just built "better" from the factory but it wasnt as fast as the canam. The Pro R blows both of the built cars out of the water STOCK. There is nothing even close thats out there right now that you can go buy tomorrow. If you get the Fox live valve shocks you can change the mode to street driving where it lowers it a bit and adds compression so less body roll on the street, then you can goto Baja mode when ya get back in the dirt. Put 35s on it as soon as you get it as its basically made for it. Its hands down the best option out there right now.

I am excited to see the Speed UTV in customers hands and see how they stack up, they have a very tall tower to climb to be with the Pro R, I do think the new Canam coming out will be a good car also.

 

[RiverDave]

I have had a fully built to the tilt X3 followed by a fully built Turbo S, now I have a Pro R thats getting there, all of them 4 seaters.......there is no comparison.

The Canam and the Turbo S were really close, I liked the wheelbase of the Canam better and the bigger cab and the HP was nice. The turbo S was just built "better" from the factory but it wasnt as fast as the canam. The Pro R blows both of the built cars out of the water STOCK. There is nothing even close thats out there right now that you can go buy tomorrow. If you get the Fox live valve shocks you can change the mode to street driving where it lowers it a bit and adds compression so less body roll on the street, then you can goto Baja mode when ya get back in the dirt. Put 35s on it as soon as you get it as its basically made for it. Its hands down the best option out there right now.

I am excited to see the Speed UTV in customers hands and see how they stack up, they have a very tall tower to climb to be with the Pro R, I do think the new Canam coming out will be a good car also.

Is the live valve shocks the ultimate edition?

Someone was telling me to go with the pro r regular one and have the shocks redone and it’s better?

 

[SJP]

Is the live valve shocks the ultimate edition?

Someone was telling me to go with the pro r regular one and have the shocks redone and it’s better?

I have a pro 4 ultimate (before they released the R version). It is awesome and rips. Dave get a ride and sell it whenever you want to. I do not get all of the drama around this. I have run with a couple of new Pro R cars. Honestly around Havasu I do not get it. All of the new cars are extremely functional.

 

[EarpRider]

Is the live valve shocks the ultimate edition?

Someone was telling me to go with the pro r regular one and have the shocks redone and it’s better?

OMG , Why does everyone suddenly need a race ready car?
Buy a car, and take your family out for a fun day of riding, make memories your kids will talk about for years. Easy, everyone needs to stop over thinking having good ole fashion fun.
Stop being the wake surf boat of the desert.

 

[Gelcoater]

Oh. So you meant one of these?

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Same guy that used to be at Glamis in the big weekends back in the 80s?

Had a radical lope.

 

[Bullhead bully]

This Can Am is pretty damn clean. I’d have a tough time not jumping on a Pro R though. Bully’s is just plain badass.

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I do love the Pro R. It does everything I need it to do. When I need more I strap on a parachute and really get serious.

 

[Orange Juice]

I’m getting one of these when they finally work out all the bugs.

 

[4Waters]

I’m getting one of these when they finally work out all the bugs.
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Sooooo, ya want to ride a big cock

 

[Orange Juice]

Sooooo, ya want to ride a big cock

there goes Dave’s perfect Speed Thread

 

[4Waters]

there goes Dave’s perfect Speed Thread

Well, if it wasn't me saying it, it was gonna be Dave. LOL

 

[Orange Juice]

Well, if it wasn't me saying it, it was gonna be Dave. LOL

Actually you’re looking at my large cock.

 

[BIGRED9158]

I think this was in the other thread but what happens if you want to sell your spot and no one wants buy it are you shit out of luck

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

there goes Dave’s perfect Speed Thread

A perfect thread is a boring thread.

 

[RiverDave]

I think this was in the other thread but what happens if you want to sell your spot and no one wants buy it are you shit out of luck

If you are selling it for what you are into it, pretty much regardless of # they sell pretty quick.

I think I could sell both my low numbers for just what it would cost today to build them and sell them pretty quick. I’d make about 13k per.. so 26 total.

 

[BIGRED9158]

If you are selling it for what you are into it, pretty much regardless of # they sell pretty quick.

I think I could sell both my low numbers for just what it would cost today to build them and sell them pretty quick. I’d make about 13k per.. so 26 total.

That still dose not answer my question say 6 months from now someone is fed up with waiting for a car and they want out but no one is interested in buying the spot what happens? The longer it takes for the car to get in the customer hand the cool factor wears off and no one will want it anymore

 

[RiverDave]

OMG , Why does everyone suddenly need a race ready car?
Buy a car, and take your family out for a fun day of riding, make memories your kids will talk about for years. Easy, everyone needs to stop over thinking having good ole fashion fun.
Stop being the wake surf boat of the desert.

Go be poor somewhere else..

 

[NicPaus]

That still dose not answer my question say 6 months from now someone is fed up with waiting for a car and they want out but no one is interested in buying the spot what happens? The longer it takes for the car to get in the customer hand the cool factor wears off and no one will want it anymore

Lose your deposit or lower the price until it sells.

 

[RiverDave]

That still dose not answer my question say 6 months from now someone is fed up with waiting for a car and they want out but no one is interested in buying the spot what happens? The longer it takes for the car to get in the customer hand the cool factor wears off and no one will want it anymore

Well when we purchased them they were pretty clear about the non refundable part.. so I guess you sell it for less or eat it?

That said I’m not sure I get the hypothetical line of questioning. What happens if we goto war with China over Taiwan.. then I think it’s safe to say nobody is getting anything outta China for awhile?

We can what if forever.. but that scenario to my knowledge hasn’t happened yet.

 

[outboard_256]

That still dose not answer my question say 6 months from now someone is fed up with waiting for a car and they want out but no one is interested in buying the spot what happens? The longer it takes for the car to get in the customer hand the cool factor wears off and no one will want it anymore

I think that once the 12 cars get in customers hands in mid January then it will really set the price for spots in the near future. If the speed UTV lives up to the hype then spots will have value. If there are little issues with the car I think spot prices will dip until the car gets sorted out. If they have major issues then I think prices will tank. I also think if Robby misses this January delivery date and doesn't deliver those 12 cars until late Feb or March prices will start to fall. I also think that cars over #100 won't be out for 6+ months from now, so people may get fed up if there number is high. I don't see them jumping into full production anytime soon. I think cars will slowly trickle out for a while.

 

[RiverDave]

I think that once the 12 cars get in customers hands in mid January then it will really set the price for spots in the near future. If the speed UTV lives up to the hype then spots will have value. If there are little issues with the car I think spot prices will dip until the car gets sorted out. If they have major issues then I think prices will tank. I also think if Robby misses this January delivery date and doesn't deliver those 12 cars until late Feb or March prices will start to fall. I also think that cars over #100 won't be out for 6+ months from now, so people may get fed up if there number is high. I don't see them jumping into full production anytime soon. I think cars will slowly trickle out for a while.

The spots do have value currently.. but basically yes.. if they deliver and they’re a cluster fuck then we low spot holders are gonna lose $$ on perceived value.. if they are the cats ass then they are gonna go up even more then they are..

RD

 

[Outdrive1]

How many spots did they sell? Seems like it will take years to fulfill all the orders. If that’s the case there will never be any for sale and or at dealers to purchase. Good for owners of cars value wise. They will be able to ask whatever they want for their unicorns, not too much different from owning a modern Schiada.

 

[RiverDave]

How many spots did they sell? Seems like it will take years to fulfill all the orders. If that’s the case there will never be any for sale and or at dealers to purchase. Good for owners of cars value wise. They will be able to ask whatever they want for their unicorns, not too much different from owning a modern Schiada.

There are over 20,000 spots sold at this point. I think it is 4000-4500 direct to consumers and the other 15,500-16,000 is dealer orders.

Part of the reason I’m very comfortable with having spot 113&326 with no master number BS….

My two seater is a ways out he we (Prestin and myself) aren’t in any hurry for it being it’s just going to be a race car anyways.

 

[rivermobster]

There are over 20,000 spots sold at this point. I think it is 4000-4500 direct to consumers and the other 15,500-16,000 is dealer orders.

Part of the reason I’m very comfortable with having spot 113&326 with no master number BS….

My two seater is a ways out he we (Prestin and myself) aren’t in any hurry for it being it’s just going to be a race car anyways.

20k!?!?!?

I may go back to my paraimd scheme theory.

And yes, I understand the theory of the faithful...

Whatever you paid, it will be worth more by the time it's out.

But I also understand all too well the theory of, you never buy the first year model release of ANYTHING.

And then I have said from the beginning, by the time this thing Does show up, the technology will be dinosaur.

I really do wish you guys luck.

 

[wallnutz]

Go be poor somewhere else..

Was that nice

 

[wallnutz]

I’m getting one of these when they finally work out all the bugs.
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Make sure you order the black out edition.

 

[Outdrive1]

A car a day will only take 54 years to fulfill all those orders. Good thing you aren’t in a hurry, holy shit I thought we were talking a couple thousand cars.

There are over 20,000 spots sold at this point. I think it is 4000-4500 direct to consumers and the other 15,500-16,000 is dealer orders.

Part of the reason I’m very comfortable with having spot 113&326 with no master number BS….

My two seater is a ways out he we (Prestin and myself) aren’t in any hurry for it being it’s just going to be a race car anyways.

 

[wallnutz]

I think this was in the other thread but what happens if you want to sell your spot and no one wants buy it are you shit out of luck

A friend of ours had one on order with the bare minimum down. He called and traded it for two of the tool kits, probably not a real good trade for him, but he got out with something.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Was that nice

Well the guy who would be normally saying stuff like that, or calling "non-deposit holders" the plebeian masses etc is apparently on a vacation so he's just pinch hitting