Speed UTV take 3

[Ricks raft]

Robby isn't Henry.
That is all.

Dan'l

Cars, production, regulations, were maybe just a little easier back then.

 

[rivermobster]

OK, so there were 4000 pre-orders, I thought i read it was more like 20,000. Does anyone know what the total amount of outstanding orders are as of today? How long have most of those pre-order people been waiting, on average, since they placed their deposit? How much longer will they be waiting?

The reason I ask is, they make all these little videos about oil changes and doing this and doing that, how they placed in some race no one is going to race in themselves, but none of it matters if you placed an order four years ago, and you’re gonna be waiting another three years to get your car.

If they’d like to inspire potential new buyers like myself, they need to ramp up their production and deliveries. Is that in the cards? With tariffs, might they move their production from Asia back to the homeland?

Someone posted on Glamisdunes.com, just just a tad over 1000 cars have been delivered.

If you think about how many of those were possibly delivered around Havasu City and So Cal...

It Might explain why the service is so good?



Hopefully someday, everyone is made whole.

 

[SeanRitchie]

Do you work on them time and material and/or factory warranty?

I'm an independent shop, time and materials will be billed, but getting a better product upon delivery.

 

[SeanRitchie]

Where are you located? I need to do RZR trans bearings soon

sean@ritchieperformancegroup.com

Send me the model number on the sticker on the drivers side of the trans, and I can send you a quote with various options.

 

[SeanRitchie]

Sean can you get parts to service or rebuild the Speed trans or front differential? Also you have mentioned on RDC that you don’t think the bearings originally spec’ed are being used. If someone wanted to bring you a trans to get the “Ritchie prep” to it. Can you get the good bearings and do all the things you did at Weddle?

Recently it’s been said that Speed is not even opening up the broken transmissions and are just doing full replacements, and that the broken Transmissions are being sent back to Asia. (Assume for some sort of credit?) This has some wondering if Speed will even offer internal parts to rebuild or service the trans & difs?

I set inventoried all of the SKF bearings and seals at Weddle a few years back, all of those parts are readily available.

The hard part is getting gears and small parts. We tore down and inspected quite a few transmissions before I left Weddle, so there is a good assortment of good used parts that I can use to fix up existing units.

I am heading down to Parker this afternoon, If I see Robby or Todd, I'll be having a conversation with them about getting me parts as I am already coming home with a customers trans that needs some attention.

 

[Singleton]

OK, so there were 4000 pre-orders, I thought i read it was more like 20,000. Does anyone know what the total amount of outstanding orders are as of today? How long have most of those pre-order people been waiting, on average, since they placed their deposit? How much longer will they be waiting?

The reason I ask is, they make all these little videos about oil changes and doing this and doing that, how they placed in some race no one is going to race in themselves, but none of it matters if you placed an order four years ago, and you’re gonna be waiting another three years to get your car.

If they’d like to inspire potential new buyers like myself, they need to ramp up their production and deliveries. Is that in the cards? With tariffs, might they move their production from Asia back to the homeland?

Apx 4500 direct to customer pre-orders
The inflated number of 20k included dealer commitments.

Somewhere between 800-1200 customer cars delivered

 

[Todd Mohr]

I put my deposit down on Nov 14th 2020, I'm #2153. I'd be surprised if it's ready by this Nov. Not really stressed about it, I don't have so much free time to use my toys now. Hopefully most of the issues are worked out and or aftermarket support to improve the car.

 

[WildHorses24]

I put my deposit down on Nov 14th 2020, I'm #2153. I'd be surprised if it's ready by this Nov. Not really stressed about it, I don't have so much free time to use my toys now. Hopefully most of the issues are worked out and or aftermarket support to improve the car.

Last communication I had with Karla in Jan was master #857 for El Jefe's, I'm master #1022. Like you, I'm in no rush as I'm asshole deep in baseball with my boys... I'm fine not being the first round of cars too, they've been correcting a lot of issues so by the time I take delivery the big headaches should be sorted.

 

[DLC]

My thoughts are ….

The longer you wait to get your car the better !

They keep updating problem areas & the more time goes by the better the car is.

I have a few friends that have orders in the 1800 & 1900’s and while they want the car they are in no hurry to receive it…
The car keeps getting better & better


Note -
If you want your car earlier, They can probably make arrangements to bump you up in the line. You would need to reach out to Speed.
A few people have backed out ( things change in 4 years ) and they have a few select spots they can fill

 

[Romans9]

Speed customers deserve to win the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[RiverDave]

My thoughts are ….

The longer you wait to get your car the better !

They keep updating problem areas & the more time goes by the better the car is.

I have a few friends that have orders in the 1800 & 1900’s and while they want the car they are in no hurry to receive it…
The car keeps getting better & better


Note -
If you want your car earlier, They can probably make arrangements to bump you up in the line. You would need to reach out to Speed.
A few people have backed out ( things change in 4 years ) and they have a few select spots they can fill

That is actually surprisingly more difficult than you would think. Some of the earlier cars were sold for less money.. if someone backs out and speed has the car they can sell it for todays prices.

That said it is navigable but it’s not as simple as getting moved to the front of the line.

RD

 

[rivermobster]

That is actually surprisingly more difficult than you would think. Some of the earlier cars were sold for less money.. if someone backs out and speed has the car they can sell it for todays prices.

That said it is navigable but it’s not as simple as getting moved to the front of the line.

RD

I know of someone that got fed up and Demanded his money back.

Long story short? He left with a different model, they had on the lot.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

[Travmon]

I put my deposit down on Nov 14th 2020, I'm #2153. I'd be surprised if it's ready by this Nov. Not really stressed about it, I don't have so much free time to use my toys now. Hopefully most of the issues are worked out and or aftermarket support to improve the car.

HOLY SHIT ! I wouldn’t wait that long for the best piece of ass on the planet ! Some of you guys got an “A” in patience. A toy is something you want the minute you decide your in. Now waiting a few years for a toy that is some handbuilt custom with all the bells and whistles is one thing but this is supposed to be a production vehicle. Where is the production ? I have always enjoyed Robbies racing career but DUDE GET THESE CARS TO THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED YOU !!

 

[WildHorses24]

That is actually surprisingly more difficult than you would think. Some of the earlier cars were sold for less money.. if someone backs out and speed has the car they can sell it for todays prices.

That said it is navigable but it’s not as simple as getting moved to the front of the line.

RD

My buddy walked in and wanted his money back, spoke to Robby personally and walked out with someone else's RG El Jefe they forfeited. He basically jumped the line, they added all the accessories from his original order, just had to deal with the wrap being a little different color. Right place, right time...

 

[Racer56]

I put my deposit down on Nov 14th 2020, I'm #2153. I'd be surprised if it's ready by this Nov. Not really stressed about it, I don't have so much free time to use my toys now. Hopefully most of the issues are worked out and or aftermarket support to improve the car.

El Jefe or El Diablo?

 

[Racer56]

Last communication I had with Karla in Jan was master #857 for El Jefe's, I'm master #1022. Like you, I'm in no rush as I'm asshole deep in baseball with my boys... I'm fine not being the first round of cars too, they've been correcting a lot of issues so by the time I take delivery the big headaches should be sorted.

I bet you get your car in the next few months.

 

[Racer56]

My thoughts are ….

The longer you wait to get your car the better !

They keep updating problem areas & the more time goes by the better the car is.

I have a few friends that have orders in the 1800 & 1900’s and while they want the car they are in no hurry to receive it…
The car keeps getting better & better


Note -
If you want your car earlier, They can probably make arrangements to bump you up in the line. You would need to reach out to Speed.
A few people have backed out ( things change in 4 years ) and they have a few select spots they can fill

You are spot on!

 

[rivermobster]

I bet you get your car in the next few months.

I'll take that bet...

How much??

P.S. A "few" meaning three at the most.

 

[Todd Mohr]

El Jefe or El Diablo?

El Diablo

 

[Racer56]

El Diablo

You will probably get your car for next riding season.

 

[Todd Mohr]

You will probably get your car for next riding season.

That would be great!

 

[DWRAT]

I put my deposit down on Nov 14th 2020, I'm #2153. I'd be surprised if it's ready by this Nov. Not really stressed about it, I don't have so much free time to use my toys now. Hopefully most of the issues are worked out and or aftermarket support to improve the car.

#2153 will be lucky it it's Nov 2026.
To many stops in production every other month.

 

[rivrrts429]

HOLY SHIT ! I wouldn’t wait that long for the best piece of ass on the planet ! Some of you guys got an “A” in patience. A toy is something you want the minute you decide your in. Now waiting a few years for a toy that is some handbuilt custom with all the bells and whistles is one thing but this is supposed to be a production vehicle. Where is the production ? I have always enjoyed Robbies racing career but DUDE GET THESE CARS TO THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED YOU !!

Wait until you hear how long it takes from deposit to finished product for a Schiada

 

[Singleton]

Wait until you hear how long it takes from deposit to finished product for a Schiada

Schiada = piece of art IMO. You wait because you know you know what you are getting

Speed = not the same. Falls into the bucket of Overpromised and Underdelivered on any timeline communicated

 

[RiverDave]

HOLY SHIT ! I wouldn’t wait that long for the best piece of ass on the planet ! Some of you guys got an “A” in patience. A toy is something you want the minute you decide your in. Now waiting a few years for a toy that is some handbuilt custom with all the bells and whistles is one thing but this is supposed to be a production vehicle. Where is the production ? I have always enjoyed Robbies racing career but DUDE GET THESE CARS TO THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED YOU !!

At the time it was more of a concept than an actual car. It was "I'm going to build these". He didn't think it was going to take as long as it did.. But the concept was nothing compared to what was delivered.. and there was a scandemic for 2 years of that etc.. Not making excuses, but it wasn't like you could go buy a car 5 years ago.

RD

 

[sandshark1]

About 1500-2000 delivered do you think?

I would guess cars delivered and in customers hands is still under 1000.

 

[rivermobster]

I would guess cars delivered and in customers hands is still under 1000.

No legitimate excuse for that at this point.

I wonder how many races the Gordon's have been involved in, while doing gawd knows what with the deposit money?

 

[Bpracing1127]

No legitimate excuse for that at this point.

I wonder how many races the Gordon's have been involved in, while doing gawd knows what with the deposit money?

So if under 1000 it’s now been 2 years since first cars were delivered.

They can’t sell any of the stock they have too it just sits there

 

[WildHorses24]

So if under 1000 it’s now been 2 years since first cars were delivered.

They can’t sell any of the stock they have too it just sits there

Under a 1000 on the El Jefe's, I believe the El Diablos are in the 1300s? Karla mentioned they were on Master #1320 for those back in Jan.

 

[rivermobster]

Under a 1000 on the El Jefe's, I believe the El Diablos are in the 1300s? Karla mentioned they were on Master #1320 for those back in Jan.

So...

How many different models are there?

Just two?

 

[WildHorses24]

So...

How many different models are there?

Just two?

There were 3 in the beginning, but I've heard they're not making the Bandit (72"), all cars will be 77"

 

[rivermobster]

There were 3 in the beginning, but I've heard they're not making the Bandit (72"), all cars will be 77"

Copy that.

So in reality, roughly 2k Total cars have been delivered?

 

[Racer56]

Copy that.

So in reality, roughly 2k Total cars have been delivered?

No, around a 1,000.

 

[rivrrts429]

Schiada = piece of art IMO. You wait because you know you know what you are getting

Speed = not the same. Falls into the bucket of Overpromised and Underdelivered on any timeline communicated

Not sure if you could tell from my post but it was sarcasm lol

 

[RiverDave]

This is amazing.. someone says “I would guess it’s around this number”. Then the peanut gallery says “that is just unacceptable” and just proceeds to pile on, even to the point of borderline accusing of embezzlement with zero facts..


Are you listening to yourselves?

 

[EPL]

At the time it was more of a concept than an actual car. It was "I'm going to build these". He didn't think it was going to take as long as it did.. But the concept was nothing compared to what was delivered.. and there was a scandemic for 2 years of that etc.. Not making excuses, but it wasn't like you could go buy a car 5 years ago.

RD

The scandemic is long gone a few years ago so let's quit using that as an excuse for him not delivering cars !

 

[Travmon]

At the time it was more of a concept than an actual car. It was "I'm going to build these". He didn't think it was going to take as long as it did.. But the concept was nothing compared to what was delivered.. and there was a scandemic for 2 years of that etc.. Not making excuses, but it wasn't like you could go buy a car 5 years ago.

RD

Oh trust me I get it having been around manufacturing most of my life . What I fail to understand is the buisness approach to the company. In a time when everything we do is dictated by “ lawsuit ability” I fail to understand not having the wherewithal to understand the actual timeline of new product development to retail sales ready. I would be very surprised if he is currently not paying lawyer fees against some of these customers that said “Times up “ . Dave do not get me wrong I am a huge supporter of his and the car but it needs to get real and soon. If you were 2000 miles away and went through the stuff you went through you would be pulling your hair out without any of the dealer networks all set up and ready.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

One of the things that worked against us XX owners was Robby's relentless desire to send cease and desist letters to anyone who tried to make aftermarket parts that were even barely adjacent to one of his patents. Has that happened here or does he have his hands full elsewhere? I have seen the likes of Hollander motorsports making a lot of good parts for them.

 

[brecht]

Oh trust me I get it having been around manufacturing most of my life . What I fail to understand is the buisness approach to the company. In a time when everything we do is dictated by “ lawsuit ability” I fail to understand not having the wherewithal to understand the actual timeline of new product development to retail sales ready. I would be very surprised if he is currently not paying lawyer fees against some of these customers that said “Times up “ . Dave do not get me wrong I am a huge supporter of his and the car but it needs to get real and soon. If you were 2000 miles away and went through the stuff you went through you would be pulling your hair out without any of the dealer networks all set up and ready.

IMO a lawsuit just isn't worth the headache for the deposit amount. I sold my deposit a month or two ago after a few years for a loss ($14.5k in, sold for $8k) and walked away. I was actually shocked someone wanted to buy it

 

[RiverDave]

No legitimate excuse for that at this point.

I wonder how many races the Gordon's have been involved in, while doing gawd knows what with the deposit money?

I’m curious, do you think if speed energy drink folded that the race team would fold? Or if the race team folded that the side-by-side company would fold? Do you think it’s all the same money?

 

[dirtslinger2]

There have been multiple reasons that production and delivery has be paused.
Carb/EPA
Transmission re-design
Turbo re-design
Customs
Point of origin, regarding Tariffs from VN vs. China
Clutch re-design

All of those seem to be sorted away, and they have been receiving many cargo containers lately full of cars.

It has nothing to do with racing, or their lack of "want" to deliver cars.

 

[rivermobster]

I’m curious, do you think if speed energy drink folded that the race team would fold? Or if the race team folded that the side-by-side company would fold? Do you think it’s all the same money?

1. I didn't even know they had an energy drink? I suppose that if any race team lost any sponsor, that could definitely be devastating?

2. I would imagine the SxS company (Speed), would be a sponsor of the race team? Not the other way around?

(One brings in money and one spends money. Expense vs. income. Yano?)

3. So speaking of income...

Since Speed has zero income at this point, and definitely hemorrhaging huge dollars, where are those dollars coming from?

And who at this point IS sponsoring the race team? Anyone that has been part of any race team, knows it costs cubic dollars to race. So where is that coming from?

It's hard to imagine any legit business running this way.

Only the board of directors knows the answers to all of these questions.

Which brings up another question...

I wonder who sits on that board?

 

[DWC]

Pretty good deal on a car out of Colorado.

Comments are even on. Lots of stuff in that feed lately with it off.

Exhibit A.

 

[DWRAT]

$30K is a good deal if you want a Speed.

 

[NicPaus]

Pretty good deal on a car out of Colorado.

Comments are even on. Lots of stuff in that feed lately with it off.

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Exhibit A.

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Yeah 90k is a steal for a 6.0 excursion

 

[DWC]

Yeah 90k is a steal for a 6.0 excursion

Thought for sure it was going to at least be the 7.3.

 

[dirtslinger2]

1. I didn't even know they had an energy drink? I suppose that if any race team lost any sponsor, that could definitely be devastating?

2. I would imagine the SxS company (Speed), would be a sponsor of the race team? Not the other way around?

(One brings in money and one spends money. Expense vs. income. Yano?)

3. So speaking of income...

Since Speed has zero income at this point, and definitely hemorrhaging huge dollars, where are those dollars coming from?

And who at this point IS sponsoring the race team? Anyone that has been part of any race team, knows it costs cubic dollars to race. So where is that coming from?

It's hard to imagine any legit business running this way.

Only the board of directors knows the answers to all of these questions.

Which brings up another question...

I wonder who sits on that board?

It appears Robby runs his racing with zero sponsorship.

 

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[SJP]

My buddy is like 1800 something and 20K down on accessories. He is loosing patience and may go a different direction. He has moved from Parker to Havasu and really does not want to be without a car another season. The Speed cars are cool @RiverDave has given me a ride in his car. If you are in Havasu they make a lot more sense than a state or more away. Honestly I told him what does this all look like in 5 years? Will Robby still be making cars? Will they be updated? Maybe he gets bored and bails on the project after finishing the initial run? Who will service them or produce parts? Just honest questions. He shoot his head and said maybe I just go out and get a pro R.

 

[Racer56]

My buddy is like 1800 something and 20K down on accessories. He is loosing patience and may go a different direction. He has moved from Parker to Havasu and really does not want to be without a car another season. The Speed cars are cool @RiverDave has given me a ride in his car. If you are in Havasu they make a lot more sense than a state or more away. Honestly I told him what does this all look like in 5 years? Will Robby still be making cars? Will they be updated? Maybe he gets bored and bails on the project after finishing the initial run? Who will service them or produce parts? Just honest questions. He shoot his head and said maybe I just go out and get a pro R.

If your buddy ordered a El Jefe he will get it this year and probably in time for riding season. If he really wants a car now, tell him to go pitch a fit at Speed and ask to transfer into a car someone passed on.