Speed UTV take 3

[DLC]

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Pro r is no slouch tho!!!

Probably the Pro R is best all around car right now.. as the dude said.

Says a lot that the Speed with no electronics and manual shocks is better in a number of areas. It needs new brake pads. I don't think these early cars got revised brake pads, the car is not even locking the wheels up in the dirt. The Chupacabra test car did the same thing in braking tests. In the Speed video on brake testing with new pads the Speed car was locking up the tires on the street.

 

[Fishd00d]

I was shocked on the video how well the big pro r4 stopped

Mine will lock up the tires and its the heaviest Pro R out there I guarantee lol

 

[SeanRitchie]

This could make some sense, but Robby did a crap load of chassis dyno testing on his 2wd chassis dyno in NC. They never jacked it up or pulled the front wheels? Also I can’t imagine the cars were not at optimal temps when doing pulls? I would think LaRue would know that. I do think if what Robby said on a IG post that the clutch is set to only go to 7700 rpm, yet peak is 8500 rpm’s and this is why it was down in power would also make sense. Why is the clutch not set to 8500? I don’t know?

Also if this is the case that you need to dyno run in 4wd, then you will never get a real car vs car comparison as the Speed has to be tested in a different parameter vs the rest.

To be honest, I could care less other than why it was said they couldn’t shift into/out of 4WD. All other issues/complaints are for someone else to worry about.

This was simply an explanation direct from RG himself as to why they ran it 4WD.

Carry on.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

To be honest, I could care less other than why it was said they couldn’t shift into/out of 4WD. All other issues/complaints are for someone else to worry about.

This was simply an explanation direct from RG himself as to why they ran it 4WD.

Carry on.

Thank you for the info.

 

[stonehenge]

Shootout

This was a good video, and covered lots of basic stuff.

 

[RiverDave]

Shootout

That was a great video!

RD

 

[sandshark1]

Probably the Pro R is best all around car right now.. as the dude said.

Says a lot that the Speed with no electronics and manual shocks is better in a number of areas. It needs new brake pads. I don't think these early cars got revised brake pads, the car is not even locking the wheels up in the dirt. The Chupacabra test car did the same thing in braking tests. In the Speed video on brake testing with new pads the Speed car was locking up the tires on the street.

The Speed UTV should have the best suspension. His shocks are tuned for the desert. I would of thought the brakes on the Speed UTV would of locked up in the dirt. I was surprised the Maverick R had the best braking.

Pro R is a great SXS.

 

[FROGMAN524]

No YXZ exhaust sounds really good and the speed car sounds like an RC car.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The Speed UTV should have the best suspension. His shocks are tuned for the desert. I would of thought the brakes on the Speed UTV would of locked up in the dirt. I was surprised the Maverick R had the best braking.

Pro R is a great SXS.

Braking in that test is relative I guess. After the brakes lock the wheels, it is the tires dragging that is stopping the cars.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Clearly the Turbo S is the winner. Second fastest lap time!

Seriously though Watching that video I think we all win as these things are all a blast to drive!

And I’m a two wheeel guy at heart but dang these golf carts are getting good!

 

[sandshark1]

Braking in that test is relative I guess. After the brakes lock the wheels, it is the tires dragging that is stopping the cars.

Well it makes sense that Speed did not stop with the tire drag. The tread has the Speed "S" which clearly does not stand for stop. LOL!!!!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well it makes sense that Speed did not stop with the tire drag. The tread has the Speed "S" which clearly does not stand for stop. LOL!!!!!

It stands for Speed.. so clearly they were working as designed

 

[sandshark1]

No YXZ exhaust sounds really good and the speed car sounds like an RC car.

The YXZ with an exhaust and spinning at 9,000+rpm sounds good. Same motor in the Wildcat XX with an exhaust sounds horrible. Speed UTV needs a different exhaust.

 

[Badchoices03]

Braking in that test is relative I guess. After the brakes lock the wheels, it is the tires dragging that is stopping the cars.

I was thinking the same thing, most the cars locked up instantly and then slid to stop....wouldn't that be the tire grip stopping the car at that point??

I don't have to worry about it, my Talon isnt fast enough to worry about how quickly it will stop....lol...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I was thinking the same thing, most the cars locked up instantly and then slid to stop....wouldn't that be the tire grip stopping the car at that point??

I don't have to worry about it, my Talon isnt fast enough to worry about how quickly it will stop....lol...

Yes for sure. Traction is the limiting factor to stopping a car. That might be why the Maverick R stopped so quickly. compared to others... It had brand new tires, and those hard edges dug in.

 

[dirtslinger2]

Well it makes sense that Speed did not stop with the tire drag. The tread has the Speed "S" which clearly does not stand for stop. LOL!!!!!

Take these useless comments to the other Speed thread, this one is for actual discussion.

Or save them for GD.

 

[RCDave]

Tires are not the reason it took 2x the distance for the speed car to stop. Brakes....

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Tires are not the reason it took 2x the distance for the speed car to stop. Brakes....

Everyone is in violent agreement.. I the case of the Speed car, it is a coefficient of friction issue (pads) or pressure, or both.

A solution exists, but I think it is a solvable problem without having to buy a $4000 brake kit.

 

[stonehenge]

Any reviews on the speed key? Plenty of folks with the necessary mileage, but no word on how they like the upgrade in performance?

 

[Fishd00d]

Any reviews on the speed key? Plenty of folks with the necessary mileage, but no word on how they like the upgrade in performance?

Its still not available to anyone no matter what mileage they have.....

 

[stonehenge]

Its still not available to anyone no matter what mileage they have.....

WTF? This is fake news! So if a person bought one of these cars from a pvt party, say like a person who has more than one or two, there is no guarantee you will ever get the speed key?

 

[stonehenge]

Speed Key 300 HP-Included for $1 on orders prior to Dec 1, 2020

This is the E85 R Vp Racing 300 HP tune, that came standard with all Speed UTV Vehicle orders prior to December 1 2020. If you have ordered a vehicle prior to Dec 1 2020 this was included for a dollar…

speedutv.com

I guess this is on hold? Too bad, cause this is a game changer, it will blow away all the other manf's.

 

[sandshark1]

Nick is supposed to get his this month.

 

[stonehenge]

Nick is supposed to get his this month.

Can't wait! I'm sure all the haters & nay-sayers will finally be put to rest!

Thank goodness, so tired of all the negativity. sheesh

be able to "hit the step up at 55, flat-footed" yesh!!!

 

[Bpracing1127]

What will be interesting is will the warranty actually be voided for use of speed key

Second what’s going to happen in 6 months when all these warranties expire.

(I know some have additional warranties too)

 

[Santee_Native]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1712461549177718

 

[stonehenge]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1712461549177718

Pretty cool.

 

[outboard_256]

Robby Gordon on Instagram: "Final and approved Production El Diablo walk around"

2,404 likes, 202 comments - robbygordon on October 3, 2023: "Final and approved Production El Diablo walk around".

www.instagram.com

Talks about production diablo, brake issue, dyno run, answers questions.

 

[sandshark1]

Robby Gordon on Instagram: "Final and approved Production El Diablo walk around"

2,404 likes, 202 comments - robbygordon on October 3, 2023: "Final and approved Production El Diablo walk around".

www.instagram.com

Talks about production diablo, brake issue, dyno run, answers questions.

Press the brake pedal harder.

 

[topdog521]

Press the brake pedal harder.

How many forums are you going to post the same comments on? The schtick is old.

 

[sandshark1]

How many forums are you going to post the same comments on? The schtick is old.

Maybe all of them. LOL!!!! Seriously you do not find RG's response to the brake issue funny? RG is quite funny sometimes.

I posted the comment here first in response to the live RG Instagram link posted. It was a highlight of the video along with the cool features of the Diablo. I mentioned it one other time in response to some saying RG was going to fix the brakes on another forum. Don't recall posting it anywhere else.

Maybe go on the Speed forum and see how those guys like RGs solution to the brakes.

 

[dirtslinger2]

How many forums are you going to post the same comments on? The schtick is old.

He currently posts on 4, and I'd maybe wager FB and IG. Even joined the Speed UTV forum, even though he's not a buyer or seems remotely interested in becoming one.

 

[sandshark1]

He currently posts on 4, and I'd maybe wager FB and IG. Even joined the Speed UTV forum, even though he's not a buyer or seems remotely interested in becoming one.

I see you are checking up on me. LOL! You are correct I am not interested in purchasing one right now. My current X3 is only 2 years old. In a year or two if I am ready for a new ride I might be interested in the Speed UTV. I have told you before I have friends with Speed UTVs on orders. I was with both of them at the Sand Show checking out their future cars. Heck even talked to RG about that fancy jack he was using on the El Diablo.

FB and IG is just a source of entertainment and used for racing stuff for my kid.

 

[topdog521]

I see you are checking up on me. LOL! You are correct I am not interested in purchasing one right now. My current X3 is only 2 years old. In a year or two if I am ready for a new ride I might be interested in the Speed UTV. I have told you before I have friends with Speed UTVs on orders. I was with both of them at the Sand Show checking out their future cars. Heck even talked to RG about that fancy jack he was using on the El Diablo.

FB and IG is just a source of entertainment and used for racing stuff for my kid.

Could you imagine how productive you would be in life if you devoted the time spent on forums and social to something meaningful.

Your son and wife are being neglected from your obsession with this subject.

I legitimately feel sorry for them having to share a household with you.

 

[Wizard29]

Could you imagine how productive you would be in life if you devoted the time spent on forums and social to something meaningful.

Your son and wife are being neglected from your obsession with this subject.

I legitimately feel sorry for them having to share a household with you.

To be fair, there are others here who have devoted waaaaay more time to this topic than sandshark has.

Anybody care to guess who #1 is?

 

[sandshark1]

Could you imagine how productive you would be in life if you devoted the time spent on forums and social to something meaningful.

Your son and wife are being neglected from your obsession with this subject.

I legitimately feel sorry for them having to share a household with you.

Did that make you feel better?

 

[alohajeff]

I don't want this post to come off the wrong way.

Proper race cars drive totally different than anything else. The steering. Brakes. Suspension. Everything is different from a regular production vehicle.

RG is a racer. He has grown up racing in race cars. He didn't get to his mid-40's as a Country Clubber and decide to build another Golf Cart. For better or worse he has helped design a race car.

A race car can be dialed into the driver. And the telemetry can tell you immediately if the changes that driver has requested has made him (or her) faster around a given track. Sometimes the driver change suits the driver and the lap times are dropped. Is the race car better? That's not what a race car should be. A race car should always be faster. If something feels worse but is faster well guess what - tough shit. Faster is faster. For that driver.

So RG says push the pedal harder. OK. Push it harder. I have had the fortunate ability to drive a lot of off-road "RACE" cars over the years and none of them are the same. Some of them need grown ass man legs to stop. Some have a wider brake pedal foot pad because they need 2 feet to stop. Others you just rest your left foot on and they lock up all four tires. If you want to see crazy brake pedal forces look up a proper F1 car. Those not very large men apply 300+ lbs of force with one foot. I bet in a panic my 220 lbs can push a solid 220 lbs on the pedal in my off-road truck. And it stops GREAT at that pedal pressure. If I did that in a normal car it might break the pedal arm.

So to the brakes. Do you want a race car? Do you want a golf cart?

Here is your chance to setup YOUR Speed UTV however you want. If you don't like the pedal feel? Change it. I can't say how the people doing the tests are attempting to stop the Speed UTV but my guess is they are applying the same pedal effort (or approximately the same) as the other vehicles. Or what they are used to. I don't know if they are race car drivers or not but you can't treat every car the same. Some need their hair pulled. HARD! Others just need a soft pat on the butt. You can't say one is better because you prefer how one reacts. If somebody gives the Speed UTV a good push on the brakes it might stop. They might not agree with what it takes BUT if it stops fast the feel is only subjective and NOT what a race car is about.

Aloha

 

[arch stanton]

Well it’s not a race car so the brakes should work for the average 200lb man
I also don’t recall in any of RG videos saying my 5 foot tall 115 lb wife should not drive a speed car because she was not going to have the balls to make it stop
I do agree with you that the lack of brakes could teach her to drive faster

 

[arch stanton]

And another thing RG issued a stop ride for 1 fuel leak
The fire that could result from a crash caused by a stopping distance that is longer than other SXS and the resulting legal action that he will lose as soon as they play the RG video saying man up push harder
Good thing it’s got a safer cage that everyone else his occupants will be fine but you poor Bastards driving cars with real brakes speed cars will be using you for emergency braking

 

[dirtslinger2]

This is disappointing, sounds like these got a phone call, and probably a threat. Why would they need to leave out the Speed on their video?
Total dick move if that's why.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

This is disappointing, sounds like these got a phone call, and probably a threat. Why would they need to leave out the Speed on their video?
Total dick move if that's why.

Wow, pretty blatant.

“Fly on the wall”

 

[PlanB]

This is disappointing, sounds like these got a phone call, and probably a threat. Why would they need to leave out the Speed on their video?
Total dick move if that's why.

Sure sounds like someone threatened them.

 

[ZSTIV]

This is disappointing, sounds like these got a phone call, and probably a threat. Why would they need to leave out the Speed on their video?
Total dick move if that's why.

I was told since RG's video saying they don't know what they're talking about (Not just them, but everyone as a whole) they said they couldn't talk about it since they were not "Baja 1000 winners," mocking what RG said in his live video.... blah, blah blah. Honestly who gives a shit, tell us what you think about the car. Honestly pretty childish on everyone's part including RG.

A little nugget for all those out there.
Chad, guy with the white speed car took it to the speed shop and Max drove the car and locked up all 4-wheels lol Something isn't adding up.
IDK I will hold off judgment until I get mine.

 

[riverroyal]

I didnt watch the entire video. I did see the 1st episode.
The speed was pulled from the 'shoot out'?

 

[Bpracing1127]

I didnt watch the entire video. I did see the 1st episode.
The speed was pulled from the 'shoot out'?

Yes

 

[dirtslinger2]

I didnt watch the entire video. I did see the 1st episode.
The speed was pulled from the 'shoot out'?

I think it still did the shoot out, I think they just pulled it out of the results.

 

[sandshark1]

RG has to understand he is building a car for the masses. So average joes are his potential buyers and their opinions matter even if they do not understand all that goes into the design of a car.

It does not take long to figure out braking characteristics of a UTV.

One of the guys testing the cars is a UTV racer it would have been nice to hear his opinion.

 

[EarpRider]

At the very end of Robby's Live Instagram video tonight he says The Bandits will be at Speeds Race at The River, anyone know what that is going to be?

 

[dirtslinger2]

At the very end of Robby's Live Instagram video tonight he says The Bandits will be at Speeds Race at The River, anyone know what that is going to be?

It's Rage at the River, it's a SNORE race in Laughlin, Speed sponsored the race this year, so it's "Speed's Rage at the River"
It's one of the largest races in the states, it get's a ton of entries, and is a fun short course type or race. Typically like 10 miles, and several laps per heat.
It's run out behind the Tropicana, where all the Laughlin races are held.