Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[buck35]

You can buy speed tools!

Made in China and due out in the next 2 to 5 years.
Funny how anything harbor freight is junk, but these cars are pure gold.

 

[Justsomeguy]

Made in China and do out in the next 2 to 5 years.

Made in China probably, but I'm pretty sure off road shops have them in stock.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Made in China and due out in the next 2 to 5 years.
Funny how anything harbor freight is junk, but these cars are pure gold.

Makes a great case for Can Ams and Polaris when a Harbor Freight car that hasn’t even come out is the best the industry has to offer

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

96 !!4 to go!!

 

[counterpart7]

Makes a great case for Can Ams and Polaris when a Harbor Freight car that hasn’t even come out is the best the industry has to offer

The specs on Harbor Freight’s website will tell you their tools are the best too… reality says otherwise.

Hopefully Speed has a similar no questions asked replacement warranty to HFs

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The specs on Harbor Freight’s website will tell you their tools are the best too… reality says otherwise.

Hopefully Speed has a similar no questions asked replacement warranty to HFs

Polaris says they are the best too. After paying ADMs, waiting for your machine to arrive, you take delivery and they hit you with a “Stop Ride” order soon after. I guess you can go sit in it and make vroom vroom noises, so that is an improvement.

 

[counterpart7]

Polaris says they are the best too. After paying ADMs, waiting for your machine to arrive, you take delivery and they hit you with a “Stop Ride” order soon after. I guess you can go sit in it and make vroom vroom noises, so that is an improvement.

Or you could just drive it? You know, because it actually exists. I know very few people that stopped riding due to a “stop ride”. In fact, there’s thousands out here in Glamis right now using them. Haven’t seen any Speed UTVs…

 

[Singleton]

Or you could just drive it? You know, because it actually exists. I know very few people that stopped riding due to a “stop ride”. In fact, there’s thousands out here in Glamis right now using them. Haven’t seen any Speed UTVs…

The clutch ”stop ride” effect apx. 30k units. The turbo ”stop ride” effects apx 3k units. I would rather have a car in my garage and be able to ride then one that does not exist (zero customer deliveries). The Speed oil line issue would of been classified as a “stop ride” as well and that impacts 100% of cars in production. Using LOF logic, he prefers a car with zero customer deliveries and 100% in production requiring a resolution vs a car that has been proven by customers and a small % of customer sold / pending sale units requiring a already developed fix (parts backlog slowing things down).

As someone who is looking to add a SXS to the off-road garage. Speed is an unproven car and I will sit on the sidelines until I am able to determine how post sale service and warranty issues get handled. ALL SXS break, so how speed deals with that will impact my decision. I keep waiting to buy, because I like what the speed car could be, but want customer feedback before I purchase. Hoping to make up my mind before Sept 2023.

 

[EPL]

The clutch ”stop ride” effect apx. 30k units. The turbo ”stop ride” effects apx 3k units. I would rather have a car in my garage and be able to ride then one that does not exist (zero customer deliveries). The Speed oil line issue would of been classified as a “stop ride” as well and that impacts 100% of cars in production. Using LOF logic, he prefers a car with zero customer deliveries and 100% in production requiring a resolution vs a car that has been proven by customers and a small % of customer sold / pending sale units requiring a already developed fix (parts backlog slowing things down).

As someone who is looking to add a SXS to the off-road garage. Speed is an unproven car and I will sit on the sidelines until I am able to determine how post sale service and warranty issues get handled. ALL SXS break, so how speed deals with that will impact my decision. I keep waiting to buy, because I like what the speed car could be, but want customer feedback before I purchase. Hoping to make up my mind before Sept 2023.

Speed car could be out by then !!

 

[LuauLounge]

Is there a substantial difference between a stop ride and no ride?

 

[DLC]

96 !!4 to go!!

2 weeks !

 

[DLC]

The clutch ”stop ride” effect apx. 30k units. The turbo ”stop ride” effects apx 3k units. I would rather have a car in my garage and be able to ride then one that does not exist (zero customer deliveries). The Speed oil line issue would of been classified as a “stop ride” as well and that impacts 100% of cars in production. Using LOF logic, he prefers a car with zero customer deliveries and 100% in production requiring a resolution vs a car that has been proven by customers and a small % of customer sold / pending sale units requiring a already developed fix (parts backlog slowing things down).

As someone who is looking to add a SXS to the off-road garage. Speed is an unproven car and I will sit on the sidelines until I am able to determine how post sale service and warranty issues get handled. ALL SXS break, so how speed deals with that will impact my decision. I keep waiting to buy, because I like what the speed car could be, but want customer feedback before I purchase. Hoping to make up my mind before Sept 2023.

Sounds like your into Can am X3 for the WIN !!

 

[702sandman]

Polaris says they are the best too. After paying ADMs, waiting for your machine to arrive, you take delivery and they hit you with a “Stop Ride” order soon after. I guess you can go sit in it and make vroom vroom noises, so that is an improvement.

How many people actually adhere to a stop ride ? Because there’s a shit ton out here at Dumont right now not sure your analogy works

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Makes a great case for Can Ams and Polaris when a Harbor Freight car that hasn’t even come out is the best the industry has to offer

"allegedly"

ZERO customer deliveries vs nearly 20 years of SXS variant deliveries for Polaris, and a massive network of dealers.

When some real life experience and data comes out maybe that claim can be made....but as of right now, its a claim with no backing. I can go buy a Polaris, and take it home right now from RideNow in PHX, with no ADM, a discount, and no sales tax. The same cannot be said for the "best the industry has to offer". They do however have some left over 2020/21 Hisun cars in stock....

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How many people actually adhere to a stop ride ? Because there’s a shit ton out here at Dumont right now not sure your analogy works

So it’s just an excuse and CYA for putting out a shitty product year after year.

Copy that.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

"allegedly"

ZERO customer deliveries vs nearly 20 years of SXS variant deliveries for Polaris, and a massive network of dealers.

When some real life experience and data comes out maybe that claim can be made....but as of right now, its a claim with no backing. I can go buy a Polaris, and take it home right now from RideNow in PHX, with no ADM, a discount, and no sales tax. The same cannot be said for the "best the industry has to offer". They do however have some left over 2020/21 Hisun cars in stock....

Yea you sure can. But as of now you are missing more than I am.

You think after 2 decades they could get it right. Enjoy the recalls and stop rides for $45-$50k if you go get one tonight.

I’m in for $32k.. and 100 more HP

 

[EPL]

Yea you sure can. But as of now you are missing more than I am.

You think after 2 decades they could get it right. Enjoy the recalls and stop rides for $45-$50k if you go get one tonight.

I’m in for $32k.. and 100 more HP

You always seem to pick on Polaris , Can Am etc , do you really think Speed is going to bring a "Production" car out that for the most part hasn't really been tested and it's not going to have any problems !! Yes they have had "Pre Production" cars out but they aren't the same vehicles !!

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Yea you sure can. But as of now you are missing more than I am.

You think after 2 decades they could get it right. Enjoy the recalls and stop rides for $45-$50k if you go get one tonight.

I’m in for $32k.. and 100 more HP

I ride white dirt…I’ve been clear about that. I tried the SxS thing…it wasn’t my thing.

Aren’t you still driving a Polaris since your “speed” car doesn’t exist yet?

If you think for an instant your “future” speed car won’t have recalls etc you aren’t living in reality…

 

[702sandman]

So it’s just an excuse and CYA for putting out a shitty product year after year.

Copy that.

Lol yes and yes ….wait till Robbie gets these cars out he will handing out stop rides like Tik tacs … it’s what happens when you design a piece of your car and you rely on the subs you hire to provide the correct part and not fail. Unfortunately we go thru it can am goes thru it and if Robbie delivered his cars at the sand show or earlier he would already had to hand them out also. I’m not shitting on your dream car I’m just saying it WILL happen trust me!! and yea the stop ride is a CYA

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I ride white dirt…I’ve been clear about that. I tried the SxS thing…it wasn’t my thing.

Aren’t you still driving a Polaris since your “speed” car doesn’t exist yet?

If you think for an instant your “future” speed car won’t have recalls etc you aren’t living in reality…

So I guess you are missing more of the season than me.

No one ever said it was any better quality than anything else. I’ve said for 2 years the bar is so low it’s nearly impossible to fail.

I’m going to have a Polaris product for the next several years… again, I’ve missed 0. Speed can take as long as they need. Prices continue go up, mine stays locked, I get a better product.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Lol yes and yes ….wait till Robbie gets these cars out he will handing out stop rides like Tik tacs … it’s what happens when you design a piece of your car and you rely on the subs you hire to provide the correct part and not fail. Unfortunately we go thru it can am goes thru it and if Robbie delivered his cars at the sand show or earlier he would already had to hand them out also. I’m not shitting on your dream car I’m just saying it WILL happen trust me!! and yea the stop ride is a CYA

I never said it won’t. If the industry leaders can’t get it right, and can’t get cars out on time, why do you expect a startup to be able to?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

You think after 2 decades they could get it right. Enjoy the recalls and stop rides for $45-$50k if you go get one tonight.

I would advise caution on pointing at mature manufacturing companies' first-pass yield and warranty claim issues. It is incredibly complex to achieve a perfect product release, and RG is new to this game. I suspect missed release dates will be nothing compared to how angry people may get when they try to have stuff fixed that does not meet the high expectations that have been established for the performance of this product with a limited support network.

I've seen something as simple as a vendor-supplied connector that does not meet specs create all sorts of bad PR for a company.

 

[Javajoe]

Speed cars waiting for graphics!

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[Lunatic Fringe]

I would advise caution on pointing at mature manufacturing companies' first-pass yield and warranty claim issues. It is incredibly complex to achieve a perfect product release, and RG is new to this game. I suspect missed release dates will be nothing compared to how angry people may get when they try to have stuff fixed that does not meet the high expectations that have been established for the performance of this product with a limited support network.

I've seen something as simple as a vendor-supplied connector that does not meet specs create all sorts of bad PR for a company.

Yeah, but but, POLARIS!!!

I went ahead and answered for LOF.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I would advise caution on pointing at mature manufacturing companies' first-pass yield and warranty claim issues. It is incredibly complex to achieve a perfect product release, and RG is new to this game. I suspect missed release dates will be nothing compared to how angry people may get when they try to have stuff fixed that does not meet the high expectations that have been established for the performance of this product with a limited support network.

I've seen something as simple as a vendor-supplied connector that does not meet specs create all sorts of bad PR for a company.

I’m well aware….there are reasons this was at a heavy discount in the first place, it is not without risk

No one ever said this will be perfect except the people whining that they can’t see cars they won’t buy from a person they don’t trust, and a company that will never deliver .

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yeah, but but, POLARIS!!!

I went ahead and answered for LOF.

Indeed. Stop waiting and go buy one if you are upset at Speed and sick of “missing” seasons.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Indeed. Stop waiting and go buy one if you are upset at Speed and sick of “missing” seasons.

I haven't missed a season of SxS riding yet.

My garage is full without having to wait for anything.

 

[riverroyal]

Yea you sure can. But as of now you are missing more than I am.

You think after 2 decades they could get it right. Enjoy the recalls and stop rides for $45-$50k if you go get one tonight.

I’m in for $32k.. and 100 more HP

After 2 decades polaris can't get it right....and you have confidence in a utv promised over and over that might be made in China, or some other place
Copy that....

 

[DLC]

After 2 decades polaris can't get it right....and you have confidence in a utv promised over and over that might be made in China, or some other place
Copy that....

BRP - Can am is the car! No safety recalls and No Stop rides, and No Fires

lol

 

[702sandman]

I never said it won’t. If the industry leaders can’t get it right, and can’t get cars out on time, why do you expect a startup to be able to?

I guess cause he said they would be out already

 

[yz450mm]

I guess cause he said they would be out already

I'm just throwing this out there, sorry for the rant but no offense meant to anybody. And I'm not a Speed fanboy by any means, I'm perfectly happy with my YXZ, lol.

As a professional racer, you and your daughter depend on the strength of the cages and integrity of the cars as a whole to save your life in the event of the inevitable crash.

So when you look at what RG is doing, do you not see the value in buying a race car, versus a toy? If you're being honest, you will admit that the product that he is bringing to market is much closer to a 10 car than a recreational side by side. The design and materials for the cage alone are well above that of any production utv available.

The transmission and drivetrain are going to be the wild card, since they are a fresh start. But suspension geometry and cage design come directly from his background in TT racing, and I don't think anybody can dispute that he is probably the hardest person on equipment that has ever sat in the driver's seat. Obviously many others drive smarter, like Rob Mac, Ampudia, Menzies, McMillians, Brenthals, etc...

But why the hate? He's not late, it's just taking longer to produce a quality product that he wants to bring to Market at 100%. If he took an 80% product to market 2 months ago, it would sink the company. From what I've seen, RG is aggressive at everything he does. The fact that he understated his timeline doesn't mean that the product at the end is going to be s***.

Honest question, if these things come out and prove to be better performing and more safe than Polaris or can-am, would you switch for a sponsorship?

 

[Havasu blue label]

Sponsorship that makes me laugh

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I guess cause he said they would be out already

Vs. Polaris that took and extra year+ and just said nothing.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I'm just throwing this out there, sorry for the rant but no offense meant to anybody. And I'm not a Speed fanboy by any means, I'm perfectly happy with my YXZ, lol.

As a professional racer, you and your daughter depend on the strength of the cages and integrity of the cars as a whole to save your life in the event of the inevitable crash.

So when you look at what RG is doing, do you not see the value in buying a race car, versus a toy? If you're being honest, you will admit that the product that he is bringing to market is much closer to a 10 car than a recreational side by side. The design and materials for the cage alone are well above that of any production utv available.

I spent about 1 minute looking at the Pre-production Speed car at the AZ Off-Road Expo. I am no expert.

I would be swapping out the factory cage first thing. I don't see how the Speed cage is fit for duty and approved for racing. It has multiple tube clamps in the overhead bars. If I recall, those tube clamps were not allowed in the classes; I raced in Ultra4, BITD, and SCORE.

FWIW, the CanAm factory cage looks scary; that is why a used machine with a swapped cage built by a reputable industry name made more sense to me. The New Polaris cage looked pretty good from my passing glance. My point is that even if it looks terrible to me, I suspect an engineer has done crush testing of the models, and they meet the required spec.

I asked if the cage design had changed from pre-production to complete production, and LOF did not reply. The pre-production unit I looked at had a NORRA tech sticker, so they approved the cage, but it looks, suspect.

While I am not a chassis design expert, I did write the original rulebook for Ultra4 racing, including the safety standards as well as the BITD rules for Class 3000 at the request of Casey, with plenty of input from Pistol telling me I was an idiot one minute and genius the next.

The bottom line is that I am not willing to risk the safety of myself and the passenger by having bolted joints in the overhead horizontal bars.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I spent about 1 minute looking at the Pre-production Speed car at the AZ Off-Road Expo. I am no expert.

I would be swapping out the factory cage first thing. I don't see how the Speed cage is fit for duty and approved for racing. It has multiple tube clamps in the overhead bars. If I recall, those tube clamps were not allowed in the classes; I raced in Ultra4, BITD, and SCORE.

FWIW, the CanAm factory cage looks scary; that is why a used machine with a swapped cage built by a reputable industry name made more sense to me. The New Polaris cage looked pretty good from my passing glance. My point is that even if it looks terrible to me, I suspect an engineer has done crush testing of the models, and they meet the required spec.

I asked if the cage design had changed from pre-production to complete production, and LOF did not reply. The pre-production unit I looked at had a NORRA tech sticker, so they approved the cage, but it looks, suspect.

While I am not a chassis design expert, I did write the original rulebook for Ultra4 racing, including the safety standards as well as the BITD rules for Class 3000 at the request of Casey, with plenty of input from Pistol telling me I was an idiot one minute and genius the next.

The bottom line is that I am not willing to risk the safety of myself and the passenger by having bolted joints in the overhead horizontal bars.

Speed has said the car’s cage is legal for competition, I believe BITD at minimum with door bars added was the original statement.

You can’t say the cage passed tech and then say it looked suspect. If you trust the sanctioning body and it passed tech then it’s good to go.

The stock cages on most of these cars are crap, and so are many aftermarket cages. Some aftermarket cages are really good. These cars are made to ROPS specs, and the cage is designed to be consumable in a wreck. The Speed structure is mostly 1.75” .90” and .120” DOM.

Have they changed the main design of the cage? - I don’t believe so. They have changed smaller areas here and there. The rear door mount and latch area is one example.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

I've seen something as simple as a vendor-supplied connector that does not meet specs create all sorts of bad PR for a company.

Watched a company go from a billion dollar valuation, to losing over half of its value in a couple of months to declaring bankruptcy over this last month. The ripple impact of which has been seen industry wide in my field. While there were some other contributing favors a relatively minor component ($60 part) that was vital to operation was faulty...since they were an "exclusive company" to that product line it was too late when caught, and the reputation damage was done... That vendor's products are now delisted from essentially every major financier in our field. A simple component brought a national top 10 company to its knees, and then finished the job.

 

[240Hallett]

Speed has said the car’s cage is legal for competition, I believe BITD at minimum with door bars added was the original statement.

You can’t say the cage passed tech and then say it looked suspect. If you trust the sanctioning body and it passed tech then it’s good to go.

The stock cages on most of these cars are crap, and so are many aftermarket cages. Some aftermarket cages are really good. These cars are made to ROPS specs, and the cage is designed to be consumable in a wreck. The Speed structure is mostly 1.75” .90” and .120” DOM.

Have they changed the main design of the cage? - I don’t believe so. They have changed smaller areas here and there. The rear door mount and latch area is one example.

.90!! That’s some heavy wall material!

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Vs. Polaris that took and extra year+ and just said nothing.

Obviously saying nothing is a concept that is completely foreign to you but it's sometimes the best course of action.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Obviously saying nothing is a concept that is completely foreign to you but it's sometimes the best course of action.

Seems obvious you could take some learnings from silence as well then

But If that was the case why are there 96 pages of people demanding more updates

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

.90!! That’s some heavy wall material!

Whoops! Luckily he’s not building a plane

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Seems obvious you could take some learnings from silence as well then

But If that was the case why are there 96 pages of people demanding more updates

Slipping back into the LOF Psaki mode there I see.
There isn't 96 pages of ANYONE demanding uodates. Pointing out the lack thereof does not equate to demanding more.
Your propensity to exaggerate is only surpassed by...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Slipping back into the LOF Psaki mode there I see.
There isn't 96 pages of ANYONE demanding uodates. Pointing out the lack thereof does not equate to demanding more.
Your propensity to exaggerate is only surpassed by...

Only surpassed by your propensity to not comprehend the written word when it does not fit your narrative.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Only surpassed by your propensity to not comprehend the written word when it does not fit your narrative.

Kind of curious what you think my "narrative" might be?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Speed has said the car’s cage is legal for competition, I believe BITD at minimum with door bars added was the original statement.

You can’t say the cage passed tech and then say it looked suspect. If you trust the sanctioning body and it passed tech then it’s good to go.

I assume NORRA has some relaxed requirements as they have a safari-type class for people that want to gain a Baja experience.

My comments are just a challenge to the expectation that the Speed car is a turnkey race car and everything else is a hobby. I'm sure it could perform well for a fraction of the cost of a 10-car; I'm just not convinced the stock cage meets tech inspection due to the tube clamps. Things may have changed; I have not been involved in racing for about ten years. It will be easy to prove this when cars show up in stock form at BITD and SCORE.

I would be remiss not to point out that "Speed said" is how we got to almost 100 pages.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Kind of curious what you think my "narrative" might be?

Seems to be letting me walk you into taking nonsensical positions time after time.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I assume NORRA has some relaxed requirements as they have a safari-type class for people that want to gain a Baja experience.

My comments are just a challenge to the expectation that the Speed car is a turnkey race car and everything else is a hobby. I'm sure it could perform well for a fraction of the cost of a 10-car; I'm just not convinced the stock cage meets tech inspection due to the tube clamps. Things may have changed; I have not been involved in racing for about ten years. It will be easy to prove this when cars show up in stock form at BITD and SCORE.

I would be remiss not to point out that "Speed said" is how we got to almost 100 pages.

I don’t think anyone ever said it was a turn key race car in anything but the super stock UTV class.. which for that class it pretty much is.

This is and always has been a consumer product. The turn key race car version can be bought for $120k.

“Speed says” and people’s hunger for updates as to what is going on is exactly how we got to 200+ pages of this over multiple threads.

The converse would be silence for 3 years and probably only 10% of the pipeline by now for a startup UTV company.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Seems to be letting me walk you into taking nonsensical positions time after time.

Here come your delusions of grandeur

 

[JFMFG]

Has anyone got delivery dates? We are pretty much at Halloween now with thanksgiving 4 weeks away?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I don’t think anyone ever said it was a turn key race car in anything but the super stock UTV class.. which for that class it pretty much is.

This is and always has been a consumer product. The turn key race car version can be bought for $120k.

“Speed says” and people’s hunger for updates as to what is going on is exactly how we got to 200+ pages of this over multiple threads.

The converse would be silence for 3 years and probably only 10% of the pipeline by now for a startup UTV company.

I think many people may believe the standard product is a race car. Much like the bent frames on the raptors from people whose expectations were aligned with a six-figure custom pre-runner. In this case, we are talking about a very fast high performance vehicle that if not respected could be more than many can handle and likely will be wadded up. The idea that the cage is race ready seems an invitation for risk.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Has anyone got delivery dates? We are pretty much at Halloween now with thanksgiving 4 weeks away?

It's a fluid situation.

If they drink enough, they claim to not care.