Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[LargeOrangeFont]

it's a big issue actually, depending on who you are insured with.

Now if you legitimately own a home in AZ, and register and store it there... it would be a non issue to do that.

It’s not an issue when your insurance, reg and title all have the same address.

You don’t need to reside in AZ to register or insure something there. members here are doing this and have been for years.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe there's rules about registering and insuring just about any registerable vehicle out of the state you're a resident of - based on what I've read here in the past.
There definitley is in Canada (between provinces).
The problem is; many don't find out about this problem ... until there's a problem.

People are doing all of this today. CA residents have their SXS registered and titled in AZ and don’t own a house there. This is off road insurance we are talking about. My insurance is not valid in another country but is fine off road in any other state in the US.

 

[baja-chris]

I believe the deal is you need to actually garage/store/mostly use it in the state its registered, even if thats not your resident state.
The issue comes up if you reg/title/insure in AZ but keep and use it in Calif. That becomes just a tax evasion, not something you want to bet busted for.
Not legal advice, get your own!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm thinking, the first two words of your post. Are you a lawyer? I'm thinking will not get you through the court system. But keep spewing your bs. The CARB is not an easy work around. But keep posting that on public forums. Great advice, dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One more on slow boil

 

[Taboma]

I’m thinking that is what they are gonna do with deliveries is skip the CA folks for now unless CARB and deliveries are imminent.

If I was him, I would call Speed and say you want delivery in AZ, and then go register it in AZ. I just registered my new RZR in AZ, and the reg and title have all have my home state address on them. This is not a hard process, you don’t need to be a resident of AZ. CA has reciprocity with AZ.

The CARB thing is an easy workaround.

Yes, on this we do agree

 

[EmpirE231]

It’s not an issue when your insurance, reg and title all have the same address.

You don’t need to reside in AZ to register or insure something there. members here are doing this and have been for years.

it's called material misrepresentation to the insurance carrier, and depending on on the underwriting guidelines of the specific carrier.... it can, and will get your claim denied.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I believe the deal is you need to actually garage/store/mostly use it in the state its registered, even if thats not your resident state.
The issue comes up if you reg/title/insure in AZ but keep and use it in Calif. That becomes just a tax evasion, not something you want to bet busted for.
Not legal advice, get your own!

Letter of the law, probably, but there is no one enforcing that. Tons of AZ registered UTVs are sitting in CA so they can be driven on the streets of AZ.

 

[Fishd00d]

Figured I would come join the fun here lol.

You can have a SXS registered in AZ and have a CA address on the registration, its a bit weird but you can. If you have a SXS registered in AZ you also need to have insurance in AZ on it, the AZ DMV will notice if you do not have AZ insurance on it and they will require you to get it or suspend the registration. I know.....hahaha.

And glad ya guys like the rear end on that Pro R above, I like it too haha. Morgan did an awesome job and it makes it look way better.

As far as the Speed SXS goes I would say a few cars will be delivered next month, outside of CA. CARB is a pain in the ass and usually a 12 month process from the time it starts.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

it's called material misrepresentation to the insurance carrier, and depending on on the underwriting guidelines of the specific carrier.... it can, and will get your claim denied.

Who is misrepresenting?? Car is registered and titled to the same address, and off-road insurance is generally good across state lines.

So ask your insurance company if you think it is a problem.

We all pay cash here anyway so insurance is not even a requirement

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Figured I would come join the fun here lol.

You can have a SXS registered in AZ and have a CA address on the registration, its a bit weird but you can. If you have a SXS registered in AZ you also need to have insurance in AZ on it, the AZ DMV will notice if you do not have AZ insurance on it and they will require you to get it or suspend the registration. I know.....hahaha.

And glad ya guys like the rear end on that Pro R above, I like it too haha. Morgan did an awesome job and it makes it look way better.

As far as the Speed SXS goes I would say a few cars will be delivered next month, outside of CA. CARB is a pain in the ass and usually a 12 month process from the time it starts.

That is accurate but the AZ insurance needed is only if you choose one of the street registered options.

If you are getting a plate and an off road sticker, insurance is not needed.

 

[Fishd00d]

That is accurate but the AZ insurance needed is only if you choose one of the street registered options.

If you are getting a plate and an off road sticker, insurance is not needed.

Ya I had it registered for both so it was required. The bad part is it cost a ton of $$$ for registration because of the weight so it was like $500 a year for reg. I have since just gone with CA reg on my Pro R because I really didn't drive it much on the street anyways and its $35 for 2 years now.

 

[dirtslinger2]

Ya I had it registered for both so it was required. The bad part is it cost a ton of $$$ for registration because of the weight so it was like $500 a year for reg. I have since just gone with CA reg on my Pro R because I really didn't drive it much on the street anyways and its $35 for 2 years now.

Oh man Fish joined RDP

 

[Sand Shark]

I’m new here. I’m a Can Am guy all the way. Does anyone have their Speed UTV yet?

 

[EPL]

Figured I would come join the fun here lol.

You can have a SXS registered in AZ and have a CA address on the registration, its a bit weird but you can. If you have a SXS registered in AZ you also need to have insurance in AZ on it, the AZ DMV will notice if you do not have AZ insurance on it and they will require you to get it or suspend the registration. I know.....hahaha.

And glad ya guys like the rear end on that Pro R above, I like it too haha. Morgan did an awesome job and it makes it look way better.

As far as the Speed SXS goes I would say a few cars will be delivered next month, outside of CA. CARB is a pain in the ass and usually a 12 month process from the time it starts.

I don't think speed is going to release anything to the public till they get the Carb certification !

 

[EarpRider]

Letter of the law, probably, but there is no one enforcing that. Tons of AZ registered UTVs are sitting in CA so they can be driven on the streets of AZ.

What? "Sitting in California so they can be driven in Arizona?????"

 

[JBZ]

Figured I would come join the fun here lol.

You can have a SXS registered in AZ and have a CA address on the registration, its a bit weird but you can. If you have a SXS registered in AZ you also need to have insurance in AZ on it, the AZ DMV will notice if you do not have AZ insurance on it and they will require you to get it or suspend the registration. I know.....hahaha.

And glad ya guys like the rear end on that Pro R above, I like it too haha. Morgan did an awesome job and it makes it look way better.

As far as the Speed SXS goes I would say a few cars will be delivered next month, outside of CA. CARB is a pain in the ass and usually a 12 month process from the time it starts.

Hey Fish
good to see you are a member.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I’m new here. I’m a Can Am guy all the way. Does anyone have their Speed UTV yet?

No

 

[Taboma]

Who is misrepresenting?? Car is registered and titled to the same address, and off-road insurance is generally good across state lines.

So ask your insurance company if you think it is a problem.

We all pay cash here anyway so insurance is not even a requirement

Any hypocritical guilt associations and fraud & legal implications aside. Just wanted to thank you, because while reading this latest "As the Speed World Turns" argument, I was reminded I hadn't gone to my AZMVD account and updated my OHV sticker for 23'. It's seriously a pisser that despite being able to renew my Registration for two years, the OHV must be renewed annually.

 

[EPL]

Any hypocritical guilt associations and fraud & legal implications aside. Just wanted to thank you, because while reading this latest "As the Speed World Turns" argument, I was reminded I hadn't gone to my AZMVD account and updated my OHV sticker for 23'. It's seriously a pisser that despite being able to renew my Registration for two years, the OHV must be renewed annually.

Me also , ordered my new AZMVD sticker yesterday !

 

[Groper]

I’m new here. I’m a Can Am guy all the way. Does anyone have their Speed UTV yet?

Yes.......well on paper anyway
Are you not the Sand Shark guy from GD.com ? I thought you were a RZR guy ?

 

[EmpirE231]

Who is misrepresenting?? Car is registered and titled to the same address, and off-road insurance is generally good across state lines.

So ask your insurance company if you think it is a problem.

We all pay cash here anyway so insurance is not even a requirement

things are all good until they are not! good luck with that.

back to the regularly scheduled programing.... SPEED cars.

 

[JDKRXW]

it's called material misrepresentation to the insurance carrier, and depending on on the underwriting guidelines of the specific carrier.... it can, and will get your claim denied.

100% this.

Registration is one thing, but I was also referring to insurance earlier.
Because you have a house or property somewhere doesn't mean you're a resident there.
If you misrepresent where you reside - according to what they consider your principle residence - good luck with a big claim.

 

[Sand Shark]

No

So while I’m out driving my Can Am another season goes by with no Speed cars. I really feel bad for all the deposit holders.. I don’t think most deposit holders will get a car. I hope they get there money back.

 

[dirtslinger2]

I’m new here. I’m a Can Am guy all the way. Does anyone have their Speed UTV yet?

Great, another person joining with Zero facts to contribute.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Any hypocritical guilt associations and fraud & legal implications aside. Just wanted to thank you, because while reading this latest "As the Speed World Turns" argument, I was reminded I hadn't gone to my AZMVD account and updated my OHV sticker for 23'. It's seriously a pisser that despite being able to renew my Registration for two years, the OHV must be renewed annually.

I could not get the OHV sticker for my kids quad online. Their site would not let me add it to the cart. I’m glad I remembered at the last second to renew it while I was there in person a couple weeks ago.

That OHV renewal is so odd.. you have to make a point to do it outside of the street reg, or it won’t be renewed.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

100% this.

Registration is one thing, but I was also referring to insurance earlier.
Because you have a house or property somewhere doesn't mean you're a resident there.
If you misrepresent where you reside - according to what they consider your principle residence - good luck with a big claim.

No one is misrepresenting where you reside when registering a off road vehicle out of state.

So you are saying all the people wadding their cars up in Glamis are denied claims because they came in from out of state, don’t reside here and their insurance is null and void across state lines?

How about all the CA residents with AZ plated and insured UTVs? Their off road insurance isn’t valid in CA… nevermind that the carrier says it is.

 

[riverroyal]

Great, another person joining with Zero facts to contribute.

nobody has real facts.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

nobody has real facts.

People with 0 posts who joined today must be believed.

 

[RiverDave]

I know for sure I am .
Why does it need to be low numbered all I have heard is I will buy at cost.

For myself I would purchase it for the sole purpose of reselling the spot. I already have three on order so I don’t need another car.

If it’s not a low number then reselling the spot would be less profitable.

 

[RiverDave]

Robby personally told me on the phone that they were skipping California cars until Carb is issued. So, unless he can pick up in a different state and register there, than he is getting skipped.

Robby told me personally I’d have my car somewhere between Halloween and Christmas so I wouldn’t take everything as gospel..

 

[RiverDave]

Quick trip down to our Baja house and saw they have the SpeedUTV crossing signs up now. Looks a lot like a broom...

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I’d be interested in learning more about Baja houses etc than speed cars at this point if you want to start another thread.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Who is misrepresenting?? Car is registered and titled to the same address, and off-road insurance is generally good across state lines.

So ask your insurance company if you think it is a problem.

We all pay cash here anyway so insurance is not even a requirement

He's not wrong.

People play games to improve insurance rates by lying daily. If they found out the car you are insuring at said address was never at said address and then burned in a house fire in CA and you need to report a claim the claim could easily be denied due to misrepresentation. Now if you lived in CA and have a legit vacation home or even if you parked it at a buddies house full time you would be fine setting it up in AZ.

it doesn't matter where the vehicle is being ridden but if the garaging address is a lie you could have issues.

 

[Fishd00d]

People with 0 posts who joined today must be believed.

Hey now, some of us might have some legit info who just joined today hahaha!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hey now, some of us might have some legit info who just joined today hahaha!!

You might! I’m open to hearing anything!

Welcome by the way. Nice piece.

 

[RiverDave]

Hey now, some of us might have some legit info who just joined today hahaha!!

Welcome to the forum! Nice car!

Was just talking to Jason about approximate costs and timeline about building something similar.

Wouldn’t mind seeing more pics and details in another thread if you aren’t too busy.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

He's not wrong.

People play games to improve insurance rates by lying daily. If they found out the car you are insuring at said address was never at said address and then burned in a house fire in CA and you need to report a claim the claim could easily be denied due to misrepresentation. Now if you lived in CA and have a legit vacation home or even if you parked it at a buddies house full time you would be fine setting it up in AZ.

it doesn't matter where the vehicle is being ridden but if the garaging address is a lie you could have issues.

I agree with you 100%.

I never advocated you had to lie about anything. I’m saying you don’t need to lie about where you store the vehicle in this instance.

There are thousands of UTVs in Havasu that are doing all this right now… CA residents have their UTVs registered in AZ yet reside out of state.

If your reg, title and insurance all have the same address, and that is the address where you store the car, and tell insurance that is where the car is stored, what is the problem? Since the question here is CA, we aren’t even talking road insurance.

I literally just did this all 2 weeks ago with my new RZR. It is AZ titled and everything is tied to my out of state address. I told them the situation that the car could be stored in AZ or my home state at any given time, they said it was all good.

Here is a good one for you.. what are people doing with 2023 dirt bikes that are not CA legal?

 

[DMF]

I agree with you 100%.

I’m saying you don’t need to lie about where you store the vehicle in this instance.

If your reg, title and insurance all have the same address, and that is the address where you store the car, and tell insurance that is where the car is stored, what is the problem? Since the question here is CA, we aren’t even talking road insurance.

I literally just did this all 2 weeks ago with my new RZR. It is AZ titled and everything is tied to my out of state address. I told them the situation that the car could be stored in AZ or my home state at any given time, they said it was all good.

Here is a good one for you.. what are people doing with 2023 dirt bikes that are not CA legal?

I have a 2022 KTM 300 that cannot be registered in Ca even though it was purchased new from a Ca dealership. So far, I have done nothing but ride it in multiple states without any registration. I plan to take the MSO to AZ and plate it to the Havasu house. I just haven't made the time to go down to the MVD yet.

 

[Ultra...Good]

One more on slow boil

If you only knew how bad you make yourself look, you might stop.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I have a 2022 KTM 300 that cannot be registered in Ca even though it was purchased new from a Ca dealership. So far, I have done nothing but ride it in multiple states without any registration. I plan to take the MSO to AZ and plate it to the Havasu house. I just haven't made the time to go down to the MVD yet.

Do you insure that at all or no?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If you only knew how bad you make yourself look, you might stop.

Moving up from simmer to LO I see..

I don’t stop because you look worse.

 

[DMF]

Do you insure that at all or no?

No, it's not financed nor registered at this point. Not sure if AZ will require insurance once it's registered there.

 

[DMF]

Do you insure that at all or no?

I probably should for theft purposes. Anyone, have an idea what insurance cost on a $13,500 dirt bike?

 

[Cole Trickle]

I agree with you 100%.

I never advocated you had to lie about anything. I’m saying you don’t need to lie about where you store the vehicle in this instance.

There are thousands of UTVs in Havasu that are doing all this right now… CA residents have their UTVs registered in AZ yet reside out of state.

If your reg, title and insurance all have the same address, and that is the address where you store the car, and tell insurance that is where the car is stored, what is the problem? Since the question here is CA, we aren’t even talking road insurance.

I literally just did this all 2 weeks ago with my new RZR. It is AZ titled and everything is tied to my out of state address. I told them the situation that the car could be stored in AZ or my home state at any given time, they said it was all good.

Here is a good one for you.. what are people doing with 2023 dirt bikes that are not CA legal?

As long as it's all legit and the insurance company knows where it's stored you would have no issue. Insurance could give zero shits about CARB. Off-road/motorcycle coverage carriers still cover dirt only bikes if insured in CA doesn't make them street legal.

One thing that i do think will be interesting is when these first 100 cars get released I would guess there won't be an insurance company on the market that knows anything about these cars/specs/data and I think they might be tough to cover unless they have already worked with the manufacturer . Being there is no loss data on the new platform i don't know how they would even base rates being a start up.

When Tesla first came out we could only add them for the first couple years as special rated vehicles and the price was about quadruple a standard 50K mid luxury car and they required high deductibles.

Has anyone asked for a quote?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

No, it's not financed nor registered at this point. Not sure if AZ will require insurance once it's registered there.

I don’t know if it is the same for a motorcycle as it is for a UTV, but insurance was not required unless you choose one of the street legal registration options.

This was as of 2 weeks ago.

 

[Ultra...Good]

Moving up from simmer to LO I see..

I don’t stop because you look worse.

Once I get close to how bad you look, let me know. I will buy you a drink.

 

[Ultra...Good]

I probably should for theft purposes. Anyone, have an idea what insurance cost on a $13,500 dirt bike?

Depends on what you insurance for.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

As long as it's all legit and the insurance company knows where it's stored you would have no issue. Insurance could give zero shits about CARB. Off-road/motorcycle coverage carriers still cover dirt only bikes if insured in CA doesn't make them street legal.

One thing that i do think will be interesting is when these first 100 cars get released I would guess there won't be an insurance company on the market that knows anything about these cars/specs/data and I think they might be tough to cover unless they have already worked with the manufacturer . Being there is no loss data on the new platform i don't know how they would even base rates being a start up.

When Tesla first came out we could only add them for the first couple years as special rated vehicles and the price was about quadruple a standard 50K mid luxury car and they required high deductibles.

Has anyone asked for a quote?

That has been a thought for me for awhile.

They do have a finance partner for these things. Is it safe to assume that means someone somewhere will insure these things off the bat? Or would that be an afterthought?

 

[RiverDave]

Heard through a friend that about 12 of these things are going to be released in the next couple weeks.

That would put me at 113 mid summer at best..

I am considering buying a pro r

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Heard through a friend that about 12 of these things are going to be released in the next couple weeks.

That would put me at 113 mid summer at best..

I am considering buying a pro r

You think they are going to release these a dozen at a time for 6 months? I totally think they will debut with a dozen or 2 and then it will be quiet for a bit.

If they release 12 at a time for 6 months they will be out of business pretty quick.

I get you are car less so that is different.

I’m back to I’ll take it next October lol

 

[DMF]

Depends on what you insurance for.

I don't ride it on the street. I would want a policy in case of theft. Either, from the house, back of a truck, campsite ,etc. Also, I don't need anything to cover crash damage. Crash damage is the cost of ownership in my opinion.