Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[LargeOrangeFont]

Just in case the expression is lost on anyone, “throwing someone under the bus” is rhetoric not reality or a wish, just like when LOF throws Tesla under the bus and then happily throws Polaris under it too.

Talk about false equivalencies .

The truth about Tesla being late with every platform and raising the prices while lowering promised performance and the truth about Polaris’ multiple stop sales and stop rides with no solution or communication to customers is rhetorically “throwing them under the bus”?

If it is prove either of those statements wrong Dan .

Or just respond with a meme so we all know you have nothing else to say.

 

[DLC]

I assume most aren’t angry looking from the outside in. And probably really could care less.
But there is LOF who will bite at every comment and repeat himself so the fire has been lit and he can’t help himself from being repetitive or responding. This would only be a 50-75 post thread if you eleimate those type of comments.

That said. I enjoy the entertainment when having a drink at home with no money out of pocket

Cheers!

MR. C !

 

[counterpart7]

I believe that was for long travel suspension that he owns the patents on, not the roll cage.

Magnum Offroad and a couple others started to make XX cages and parts, instantly received cease and desist letters.

I called Todd about the cages and he said that all an aftermarket company had to do was cut the B pillar bungs off the cars and design the cage without the locations of those bungs. Not very convenient in my opinion.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Who said I did or didn’t? It does not matter to me how others choose to spend their money

If that were true, you wouldn't defend your decision so frequently by pointing out what you see as the folly of others decisions.

 

[buck35]

I’m impressed you still read every word..

Hey, cheap entertainment, Doncha know.lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If that were true, you wouldn't defend your decision so frequently by pointing out what you see as the folly of others decisions.

Since I don’t point out the folly of people putting deposits on Teslas, only what Tesla does to the people holding deposits, that makes it completely true.

My decision needs no defense or explanation, nor does theirs.

 

[DLC]

Someone prior mentioned Robby being weird about people making money off him. This is beyond true... I don't recall the company, but a fab shop started to build roll cages for the Wildcat XX. After releasing, Robby sent them a cease and desist letter, quoting infringement and threatened to sue the company.

I can foresee any business that makes parts for the Speed that "infringe" on Speed's parts to get threatened with a lawsuit. With that said, Robby has said he encourages aftermarket development, so we shall see. Who wants to be the first to make a winch mount for under $1,300? I know I will be breaking out my plasma cutter and welder before paying him $1,500+ for a winch and mount...

Shock therapy already has plans to make parts for the Speed car.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Shock therapy already has plans to make parts for the Speed car.

I think they will be aggressive on the parts they have patents for like the suspension, that’s it. They have said they want the aftermarket to make parts for the car.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Since I don’t point out the folly of people putting deposits on Teslas, only what Tesla does to the people holding deposits, that makes it completely true.

My decision needs no defense or explanation, nor does theirs.

Eees not true what you sayin'

 

[RiverDave]

I don't get the anger that erupts over this topic, on either side lol

Neither do I.. it’s bizarre

 

[OCMerrill]

I think they will be aggressive on the parts they have patents for like the suspension, that’s it. They have said they want the aftermarket to make parts for the car.

They should use the Road Map Harley Davidson has and is still going through voiding warrantee's for use of aftermarket parts, dealing with the FTC now and a host of other expensive issues. I believe the class action case is settled but now they face an anti trust battle.

I have held several design patents over they years with my previous company and realistically they are pretty easy to get around.
Costly to defend and ignored abroad, especially China. That's where the first round of fuckings will come from.

 

[RiverDave]

I think something is up, a company that had a po for items that go on the speed car had that po pulled and no longer going to supply these parts after all. this company had a lot of the parts already made (brackets etc) for these cars. And I’m told it was a 7 figure PO. That sounds super weird to me why they would pull their PO and leave this company hanging. Maybe RG is making these products cheaper in China ? Who knows but it honestly doesn’t surprise me

What company? What parts?

 

[pixrthis]

I think they will be aggressive on the parts they have patents for like the suspension, that’s it. They have said they want the aftermarket to make parts for the car.

If it’s not profitable to make aftermarket parts for the Honda, this is what I’m being told by some aftermarket manufacturers, it is definitely not going to be profitable to make them for the Speed car.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Since I don’t point out the folly of people putting deposits on Teslas, only what Tesla does to the people holding deposits, that makes it completely true.

My decision needs no defense or explanation, nor does theirs.

You can't be serious.... I'm worried about you, LOF.... How do you not recognize that your behavior is exactly what you don't like in other people?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If it’s not profitable to make aftermarket parts for the Honda, this is what I’m being told by some aftermarket manufacturers, it is definitely not going to be profitable to make them for the Speed car.

We are just going to have to see how well the car sells. 20k units in the southwest USA is plenty of potential profit for someone. Just depends how long it takes them to pump them out.

Morgan Motorsports will certainly make some stuff for the cars

There are more people with Speed cars coming in this thread than I have seen Talons in real life.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You can't be serious.... I'm worried about you, LOF.... How do you not recognize that your behavior is exactly what you don't like in other people?

There is nothing I “don’t like” in other people. I’m not wishing for others to be thrown under busses. I’m not telling others they are ruining the website. If you don’t like what I’m saying, ignore me.

How do other people not realize their behavior is exactly what they whine about in me? Several have even been banned for it and still don’t admit it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think something is up, a company that had a po for items that go on the speed car had that po pulled and no longer going to supply these parts after all. this company had a lot of the parts already made (brackets etc) for these cars. And I’m told it was a 7 figure PO. That sounds super weird to me why they would pull their PO and leave this company hanging. Maybe RG is making these products cheaper in China ? Who knows but it honestly doesn’t surprise me

Rugged or PCI? Am I close?

 

[mbrown2]

I think something is up, a company that had a po for items that go on the speed car had that po pulled and no longer going to supply these parts after all. this company had a lot of the parts already made (brackets etc) for these cars. And I’m told it was a 7 figure PO. That sounds super weird to me why they would pull their PO and leave this company hanging. Maybe RG is making these products cheaper in China ? Who knows but it honestly doesn’t surprise me

Sure the finance wizards are looking for ways to cut costs my any means now...heck every company is doing it. Reviewing every multi year agreement to either right size or change the terms, or get out for convenience... Now the real question is the replacement better, like for like,like for less, or less for less.... my guess would be the latter...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Sure the finance wizards are looking for ways to cut costs my any means now...heck every company is doing it. Reviewing every multi year agreement to either right size or change the terms, or get out for convenience... Now the real question is the replacement better, like for like or like for less.... my guess would be the latter...

It depends on what it is. If it is comms like I suspect it might be, it is way easier and cheaper just using Rugged or PCI as opposed to giving customer choice for either. Especially when PCI is $200 more than the Rugged option.

No idea if it is the intercom and radio here, but that was the first thing that popped into my head when reading that.

 

[blefever]

Neither do I.. it’s bizarre

RG has a lot of haters that want to see him fail.................................................... jealousy rears it's ugly head.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

RG has a lot of haters that want to see him fail.................................................... jealousy rears it's ugly head.

Thanks for having my back Mom. ----Robbie

 

[DBMX]

I made the mistake of reading the last several pages of this thread and getting caught up before I went to bed last night.

Then spent most of the night having various dreams about getting a speed car, then one not getting a speed car for many more years, then picking one up from Robby himself but it breaking on first ride. I woke this morning like "WTF??? I don't have a deposit... heck I don't even have a SXS"

I guess LOF is right.... He's in our heads.

 

[bentprops]

Been off line for about a month. This thread still sucks!

 

[daytona man]

Been off line for about a month. This thread still sucks!

Still just a dog and LOF show !

 

[mbrown2]

For what's it worth....try ordering a truck these days... I ordered a Ram 2500 that was built 10/1 and sitting in the same status since... some yard some where.. Following the HD Ram forums there are people that trucks were built in April still waiting to ship....just sitting in a yard somewhere not impacted by Cummin's recalls cause these are 6.4 hemi's... Ford stopped taking orders so not just a RAM thing....not just an automotive thing. If you need something custom right now....timing is tbd.

 

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[702sandman]

Rugged or PCI? Am I close?

Yes sir, what sucks is if they swap the pci or rugged for something else that you and others have already paid. So either something bigger is going on or they are going to change the product to something else

 

[Bpracing1127]

For what's it worth....try ordering a truck these days... I ordered a Ram 2500 that was built 10/1 and sitting in the same status since... some yard some where.. Following the HD Ram forums there are people that trucks were built in April still waiting to ship....just sitting in a yard somewhere not impacted by Cummin's recalls cause these are 6.4 hemi's... Ford stopped taking orders so not just a RAM thing....not just an automotive thing. If you need something custom right now....timing is tbd.

100% of this is not true. Friend of mine just ordered a platinum super duty in June and it arrived as expected 1 week ago. They gave him that date and it showed up on that date. Zero delay

 

[Bpracing1127]

Yes sir, what sucks is if they swap the pci or rugged for something else that you and others have already paid. So either something bigger is going on or they are going to change the product to something else

So now it’s starting that you are not getting what you paid for? Hmmm wonder if you get a refund on the comms if they don’t have what you paid for in acc?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yes sir, what sucks is if they swap the pci or rugged for something else that you and others have already paid. So either something bigger is going on or they are going to change the product to something else

Agreed. That is a bit of a bummer.

You don’t have to say which one is in question but I’m guessing they are hanging onto Rugged. I have no idea what will happen, but guess is they will refund/credit the PCI uplift money and tell you take the other unit, or take the car with no comms and direct you to get the comms package direct.

To be honest this particular aspect was always confusing to me. Customer choice is nice, but seemed like a lot of extra work for Speed instead of standardizing on a single comms vendor.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So now it’s starting that you are not getting what you paid for? Hmmm wonder if you get a refund on the comms if they don’t have what you paid for in acc?

No they are stealing the money and will shut down tomorrow.

I'm sure they will do some outreach and issue credits for those that ordered one and see if they want the other one.

My guess is 90% of folks ordered one brand because it was cheaper, and it makes no business sense to OEM the other brand at this time.

 

[RVR SWPR]

I think something is up, a company that had a po for items that go on the speed car had that po pulled and no longer going to supply these parts after all. this company had a lot of the parts already made (brackets etc) for these cars. And I’m told it was a 7 figure PO. That sounds super weird to me why they would pull their PO and leave this company hanging. Maybe RG is making these products cheaper in China ? Who knows but it honestly doesn’t surprise me

Years ago,i mean many years back there was was a Machine Shop guy In Camarillo. He developed a part for Harley Davidson. For many years that shop owner did business with HD supplying that part,i do not remember what the part was but this Machine Shop provided it. I always admired the relationship and trust he had with HD. You can draw up all the paperwork you want comes down to trust. Point is, this not looking good for RG if he screwing over a vendor who invested heavy in a piece of paper that is easily ripped up.

NOTE : Need make sure understood this Machine shop was not making after market parts For HD. This was factory.

 

[mbrown2]

100% of this is not true. Friend of mine just ordered a platinum super duty in June and it arrived as expected 1 week ago. They gave him that date and it showed up on that date. Zero delay

Well my friend had a different experience took 3-4 months longer than expected for a superduty tremor gas....Would like to hear from someone that is trying to order a Ford in the last month...things could have changed ....

 

[riverroyal]

you cant order super duties right now. extremely limited amount of these are allocated to each dealer for 2023. Shocking low number.
I tried a few weeks ago

 

[jesco]

Well my friend had a different experience took 3-4 months longer than expected for a superduty tremor gas....Would like to hear from someone that is trying to order a Ford in the last month...things could have changed ....

You cant order a SuperDuty with a high trim package right now (Tremor, FX4, Platinum, etc) only XL/XLT. The higher trim packages wont be released until Feb of '23 and they are "claiming" delivery late summer. My buddy placed an ordered a F350 Tremor, GAS, black out package in October of 2021, Ford accepted the order in February 2022... Still has not received it!!! They finally shipped it and its at dealer going through prep, suppose to take delivery next week.

 

[riverroyal]

Friend is selling a 350 lariat, 2022, diesel, loaded etc etc. expected to get WAY over what he paid. They just dont exist on the lot.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Friend is selling a 350 lariat, 2022, diesel, loaded etc etc. expected to get WAY over what he paid. They just dont exist on the lot.

What lame excuses is Ford giving? I just read every other company besides Speed figured this all out and it isn’t true. Where is the update from Henry Ford III on when I can expect the truck I didn’t order?

 

[jesco]

What lame excuses is Ford giving? I just read every other company besides Speed figured this all out and it isn’t true. Where is the update from Henry Ford III on when I can expect the truck I didn’t order?

If you didnt order one, and not a customer, why do you care??? Hahahaha... J/K... Their excuse is the same bullshit as everybody else... its the other guys fault, nothing we can do about it, COVID, blah blah blah.... same bullshit, different company. They aren't even claiming the "chip shortage" anymore, just "is what it is, deal with it".

 

[Bpracing1127]

If you didnt order one, and not a customer, why do you care??? Hahahaha... J/K... Their excuse is the same bullshit as everybody else... its the other guys fault, nothing we can do about it, COVID, blah blah blah.... same bullshit, different company. They aren't even claiming the "chip shortage" anymore, just "is what it is, deal with it".

Yep, my company isn’t buying that excuse anymore. We are cancelling orders (mega dollars) for companies who want to work and get shit done.

It’s amazing when people threaten to walk away from 500k+ single order how fast parts suddenly become available.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yep, my company isn’t buying that excuse anymore. We are cancelling orders (mega dollars) for companies who want to work and get shit done.

It’s amazing when people threaten to walk away from 500k+ single order how fast parts suddenly become available.

Maybe someone wasn’t delivering for Speed fast enough?

 

[mbrown2]

If you didnt order one, and not a customer, why do you care??? Hahahaha... J/K... Their excuse is the same bullshit as everybody else... its the other guys fault, nothing we can do about it, COVID, blah blah blah.... same bullshit, different company. They aren't even claiming the "chip shortage" anymore, just "is what it is, deal with it".

Part of me think it is intentional.. particularly when I see trucks that have completed assembly for over 3-6 months and are sitting around in holding yards....it is not completely out of thought for the bean counters to slow the delivery so they can deliver more predictable sales...

 

[jesco]

Part of me think it is intentional.. particularly when I see trucks that have completed assembly for over 3-6 months and are sitting around in holding yards....it is not completely out of thought for the bean counters to slow the delivery so they can deliver more predictable sales...

I totally agree.

 

[EmpirE231]

12/15 is here... definitely looks like no cars being delivered before the end of the year? You'd think they could have got 20-30 cars delivered.

Onto 2023 timeline predictions

 

[Groper]

Rugged or PCI? Am I close?

Yes sir, what sucks is if they swap the pci or rugged for something else that you and others have already paid. So either something bigger is going on or they are going to change the product to something else

Yes, now they will be installing Boafeng Radio's and why not their $18 Chinese Yuan just down the street from the factory
The good thing is, is that they come already jail broken unlike the Kenwood's that only take about 10min to do the same

 

[mbrown2]

Yes, now they will be installing Boafeng Radio's and why not their $18 Chinese Yuan just down the street from the factory
The good thing is, is that they come already jail broken unlike the Kenwood's that only take about 10min to do the same

So they downgraded the radio but now you guys now get free TikTok... sounds legit!

 

[riverroyal]

What lame excuses is Ford giving? I just read every other company besides Speed figured this all out and it isn’t true. Where is the update from Henry Ford III on when I can expect the truck I didn’t order?

they don't need a excuse. They are giving real delivery dates. If its 6 months out it arrives in 6 months. Henry Ford III is also smart enough to NOT go on social media and shit on the competition or tell buyers it gonna be by 'XYZ' date.
Henry also doesn't ask a NON refundable deposit. He actually doesn't even take them.

Maybe stick to Tesla?

 

[RiverDave]

they don't need a excuse. They are giving real delivery dates. If its 6 months out it arrives in 6 months. Henry Ford III is also smart enough to NOT go on social media and shit on the competition or tell buyers it gonna be by 'XYZ' date.
Henry also doesn't ask a NON refundable deposit. He actually doesn't even take them.

Maybe stick to Tesla?

My biggest complaint about the speed is just that.. why not just tout your product features instead of shitting on everyone else’s. If you have to just say better than industry standard etc.

 

[riverroyal]

Part of me think it is intentional.. particularly when I see trucks that have completed assembly for over 3-6 months and are sitting around in holding yards....it is not completely out of thought for the bean counters to slow the delivery so they can deliver more predictable sales...

The 2023 super duty build numbers are low for 2023. The trucks 'sitting' are going to keep the deliverable numbers up for the 2023 year. The factory building super duties is NOT building them all year. Warehouse inventory and distribute evenly.

 

[JDKRXW]

Sure the finance wizards are looking for ways to cut costs my any means now...heck every company is doing it. Reviewing every multi year agreement to either right size or change the terms, or get out for convenience... Now the real question is the replacement better, like for like,like for less, or less for less.... my guess would be the latter...

I find it hard to believe that any company receiving a 7 figure PO isn't sophisticated enough to be put into a position of getting this PO revoked --- after purchase of raw material and reduction work has started on their side.... unless prenegotiated stipulations kick in (ie: $ penalties).
If by some chance this is actually happening, Speed is done like last nights dinner in getting any sub or supplier to do them any favors. It's a small world out there.

 

[RiverDave]

I find it hard to believe that any company receiving a 7 figure PO isn't sophisticated enough to be put into a position of getting this PO revoked --- after purchase of raw material and reduction work has started on their side.... unless prenegotiated stipulations kick in (ie: $ penalties).
If by some chance this is actually happening, Speed is done like last nights dinner in getting any sub or supplier to do them any favors. It's a small world out there.

If it’s genuinely radios.. I can’t imagine the po would be seven figures to begin with.