Sidewalk food vendors - taking it to the next level

[bk2drvr]

What loophole have these mom and pop food preparers found? Starting to see these pop up all over socal on sidewalks especially in the evening. Some of them are getting quite big with ezups, tables, propane cooking and lights. No business license I assume, no permits, no rules, etc...?

 

[JM21]

Where is this?

 

[Xstream]

In South Central they are getting robbed and beaten.

 

[RaceTec]

We see them all over the place now! On almost every corner on Beach Blvd in Midway City...

 

[bk2drvr]

Where is this?

Fountain Valley. But I see them in HB too.

I can see this getting out of hand in the future.

 

[wzuber]

Yep, popping up all over...pomona, diamond bar, san dimas. Some are really good, some meh...
A friend of my SIL sets up in fontana somewhere. She reportedly pulls a couple grand a weekend. Her food is very good and she's very well liked of course.

 

[SkyDirtWaterguy]

Keep Mexico in Mexico!!!

 

[rivrrts429]

I don’t know and I don’t care. Some of these guys are putting out killer food that is way better than what I would get at a restaurant lol

 

[HALLETT BOY]

And yet you see new one after another brick and mortar restaurants open up and fail
within months . Why go through the bother of rent , city permits, insurance etc etc ?

 

[shintoooo]

It was decriminalized in 2019 I believe so it's not illegal. I've stopped many times and gotten food from them.

People get up in arms about it and I get their point of view because restaurants have to go through hell to keep their doors open and these guys can just pop up anywhere. The other side of the coin is these guys are out there busting their ass trying to put food on the table for their kids and pay their bills. They are doing what it takes and I'm not mad at them for that. You ever see any Mexican homeless people? very rarely because they do what it takes to survive.

No one is being forced to eat there and no one is stopping you from supporting your local restaurants. To each their own.

 

[EmpirE231]

I remember about 13-14 years ago, getting ticket because my truck that was parked in my driveway had the bumpers sticking out into the sidewalk about 1'

My first child had just been born and we had visitors parked in the driveway, so I pulled in behind them for an hour or two until they left. Wrote a letter to the city explaining the situation... and they said too bad, pay the ticket.

now we have these taco and fruit stands all over the sidewalks lol... how quickly thing change.

 

[shintoooo]

Here's what I found:

In 2016, the city of Los Angeles decriminalized street vending. In November 2018, the city voted unanimously to legalize it. In September 2018, California Governor Jerry Brown signed the Safe Sidewalk Vending Act, or SB 946, which decriminalized street vending in throughout the state.

 

[rivrrts429]

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[LargeOrangeFont]

Embrace the decline. And the salmonella.

Personally, if you are that mad about it, don’t buy their food. You are getting what you voted for.

 

[Bpracing1127]

there is one 1 block from my house. They will have about 50-100 people on Friday/Saturday nights. Then about 12:00 am the crowd starts to do the intersection take over.

 

[PlanB]

My buddy is a captain at the agency I am retired from. I recently asked him about this, and he said they don't enforce any of the laws that we did when I was working. I would never eat at any of them personally. No food handling licenses or any other checks to make sure that what they are selling is safe. I won't even get into what this does to brick and mortar businesses trying to compete.

 

[Rayson1971]

Tax free. That's fair.

 

[shueman]

More power to em for trying to make a living

 

[rivrrts429]

Keep buying from and paying for that McDonalds worker that needs to make $20 an hour but they have a good permit so you can believe you won’t get sick from it

 

[Flatsix66]

On any Saturday night in Lake Elsinore those places are packed. Folks all dressed up in their ranchero wear....big night out.

 

[TimeBandit]

I think it's ironic that they put wheelchair ramps on the corners, yet these "vendors" completely block the sidewalk.

And "real" restaurants get lawsuits, and forced to close because they are not ADA compliant?

https://www.modbee.com/news/business/biz-columns-blogs/biz-beat/article281914943.html

We are swirling down the drain.

 

[bk2drvr]

It was decriminalized in 2019 I believe so it's not illegal. I've stopped many times and gotten food from them.

People get up in arms about it and I get their point of view because restaurants have to go through hell to keep their doors open and these guys can just pop up anywhere. The other side of the coin is these guys are out there busting their ass trying to put food on the table for their kids and pay their bills. They are doing what it takes and I'm not mad at them for that. You ever see any Mexican homeless people? very rarely because they do what it takes to survive.

No one is being forced to eat there and no one is stopping you from supporting your local restaurants. To each their own.

Im okay with it. The size of some of them caused me to take a double look and think to myself how can this be legal. But apparently it is.

 

[SkyDirtWaterguy]

So this is okay too then....Just as long as it's not in your neighborhood. Until it isn't.

 

[Badchoices03]

On any Saturday night in Lake Elsinore those places are packed. Folks all dressed up in their ranchero wear....big night out.

I was just gonna say....drive up Central off the 15 going towards Perris...and there is one of these spots set up that literally has tables, chairs, menus, literally looks like an outdoor restaurant....

 

[Backlash]

Hahahaa!! You folks haven't been through L.A. recently...... Every weekend night, everywhere you look......people trying to make a buck.

They may not be illegal but I HIGHLY doubt any of the Mom and Pop places pay taxes, have a food service cert., an inspection rating from the County or a business license to sell in whatever city they are setting up in.

If you or I owned a business in the same area, where we sold food, we would have to pay all of those fees and abide by all of those requirements or risk being closed. These places typically do not and will not follow the same rules, and simply respond with "Habla Espanol?"

It sucks that brick and mortar businesses are required to follow all of those requirements, but these folks are not.

 

[bk2drvr]

So this is okay too then....Just as long as it's not in your neighborhood. Until it isn't.

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Im not sure we are comparing apple to apple anymore? The food folks are actually working and going back to a house at night with their families.

 

[shintoooo]

I would honestly go to any restaurant that could put out the Al Pastor tacos and burritos that these outfits can, but all the Mexican restaurants around me suck. I don't know why these restaurants don't start putting out food like these sidewalk vendors? They don't even compare.

 

[SkyDirtWaterguy]

Im not sure we are comparing apple to apple anymore? The food folks are actually working and going back to a house at night with their families.

There are rules set in place with city codes to follow for a reason. Not enforcing them leads to bigger problems. Saying they are just trying to make a buck is a weak excuse to not obey the laws. This can of worms has exploded open< This country is Fucked.

 

[pull-on]

Yawn.

This food talk is boring. Let me know when they open a bar on the sidewalk.

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

I would honestly go to any restaurant that could put out the Al Pastor tacos and burritos that these outfits can, but all the Mexican restaurants around me suck. I don't know why these restaurants don't start putting out food like these sidewalk vendors? They don't even compare.

Do you really wanna know what gives those places on the street all that flavor?

 

[DWC]

It’s ok. I’m sure they’re all paying their fair share of taxes.

 

[LazyLavey]

But do they have to comply with the particular city health department? and purchase appropriate permits?

 

[jetboatperformance]

passive ANARCHY , no enforcement either code, law, health etc They get by until challenged I suspect.

EDIT: Legitimate business gets fined, taxed, fee'd Case in point we went 20 plus years responsibly disposing of our small amount of drain oil and filters etc Last year the County decided we needed to have permit and certificate to do so at about $300 bucks a years


Anarchy is a form of society without rulers.

 

[4Waters]

I won't buy from them,they take business away from hard working people that have to pay rent for their brick and mortar restaurants.

 

[EmpirE231]

I would honestly go to any restaurant that could put out the Al Pastor tacos and burritos that these outfits can, but all the Mexican restaurants around me suck. I don't know why these restaurants don't start putting out food like these sidewalk vendors? They don't even compare.

If those restaurants didn’t have to pay taxes and permits etc then maybe they could afford better quality meat cuts

 

[shintoooo]

El queso esta viejo y podrido. Donde esta el sanitario?

 

[Bpracing1127]

more power to them, thats the american way!!!

 

[bilz]

How about restrooms, wheel chair access. I'm sure they car pool to pay taxes.

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

If food trucks are called roach coaches....then what are these called?

 

[shintoooo]

A couple of these vendors started setting up shop in Calabasas and they were removed very quickly by the police. I watched them get tickets a few times for blocking the sidewalks and then I never saw them again. Police will ticket them depending on Location Location Location lol.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Capitalism at its it finest. I hear what people are saying about city codes but a lot of government regulation is gate keeping for established business.

 

[shintoooo]

If food trucks are called roach coaches....then what are these called?

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La Cucaracha?

 

[shintoooo]

People complain if they're begging for money and people complain if they're working trying to make ends meet lol.

I get it though, it does suck for the brick and mortar places. However, these people are already here. Blame the politicians, don't blame these people for wanting to survive.

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Drive around Santa Ana around sunset....the streets light up with the cooka roachas....
Shit, even during the day.

 

[FishSniper]

What loophole have these mom and pop food preparers found? Starting to see these pop up all over socal on sidewalks especially in the evening. Some of them are getting quite big with ezups, tables, propane cooking and lights. No business license I assume, no permits, no rules, etc...?

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State has basically forced cities to allow it with certain parameters including county health license, city business license and sidewalk vendor permit. Most don’t have any of the above and if chased off just move around to a different city etc.

 

[LazyLavey]

El queso esta viejo y podrido. Donde esta el sanitario?

peeky panny?

 

[shintoooo]

peeky panny?

 

[tostark]

The other ones you see popping up are the fruit carts…..and just like with those, where is the bathroom the workers use? Closest bush/tree? And I am sure hands are washed thoroughly

 

[Havasu blue label]

Where is this?

All over California

 

[tostark]

I remember about 13-14 years ago, getting ticket because my truck that was parked in my driveway had the bumpers sticking out into the sidewalk about 1'

My first child had just been born and we had visitors parked in the driveway, so I pulled in behind them for an hour or two until they left. Wrote a letter to the city explaining the situation... and they said too bad, pay the ticket.

now we have these taco and fruit stands all over the sidewalks lol... how quickly thing change.

And I remember 8 years ago or so, you were financially penalized if you didn’t have medical insurance…..and now California gives it to illegals for free……I mean paid for by the lawful, tax paying citizens