Sank my boat yesterday

[SKIDMARC]

Sad to hear glad everyone is ok...I agree the wakeboard boats need to empty tanks if no one is wakeboarding, surfing or skiing etc and be more courteous to your fellow boaters.

But to people who say they should be banned from the river or lake or have regulations....how about a 28 ft boat on parker or some of the off shore race boats I see at parker?? I never hear anyone saying they should ban large boats on the river. Some of those give off massive wakes also.

But because its a Hallet or DCB or whatever its ok because its bad ass.. I agree they are bad ass and I also feel they should take those to the lake but hey its a free country and I will just deal with it or boat somewhere else. This past weekend in parker I was throw around in my 21 ft just as much from the big boats as the wakeboard boats. At least with the wakeboard boats I know to expect it with some of the big boats you don't realize it until its too late because you don't see how big the boat is from behind which I usually am because my boat is slow.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Dettom]

I haven’t checked in for awhile but it pains me to open up the forums and see a post like this. Tragedies like this are easily avoidable by having some consideration for others. Sadly, that concept has disappeared from the boating community long ago. Glad your family is ok. Increasing numbers of wakeboard boats are also increasing shoreline erosion in many places too, by plowing through the water way closer to shore than they should.. And when the environmentalists start wanting to shut things down, they’re not going to blame wakeboard boats. They’ll blame all boats.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Wake jumping is already illegal within certain distances. It is illegal for a PWC to go airborne jumping a wake, while within 100 feet of the other vessel. No Wake Jumping at all within 150 feet of the other vessel.

The PWC may not have been the best example, but the point of my comment was that it is a slippery slope with who is to blame for certain situations.

Lets replace the lake lice hitting the wake of the Chaparral to a sweet flattie with an inexperienced operator that doesn't hit the wake right and wads his shit up. Why should that be the operator of the Chaparral's problem that the other boat didn't have the experience or the knowledge to safely operate in the conditions?

 

[KENDOG689]

The PWC may not have been the best example, but the point of my comment was that it is a slippery slope with who is to blame for certain situations.

Lets replace the lake lice hitting the wake of the Chaparral to a sweet flattie with an inexperienced operator that doesn't hit the wake right and wads his shit up. Why should that be the operator of the Chaparral's problem that the other boat didn't have the experience or the knowledge to safely operate in the conditions?

My buddies never boat on big weekends,I never did as well.Best boating is Sunday afternoon or Monday.

 

[stephenkatsea]

The PWC may not have been the best example, but the point of my comment was that it is a slippery slope with who is to blame for certain situations.

Lets replace the lake lice hitting the wake of the Chaparral to a sweet flattie with an inexperienced operator that doesn't hit the wake right and wads his shit up. Why should that be the operator of the Chaparral's problem that the other boat didn't have the experience or the knowledge to safely operate in the conditions?

Ya, what about this and what about that? If you create a hazard to navigation, you are at fault. Period. Argue with USCG and Congress. They wrote and approved the law. Tell them your "what abouts". Let them deal with your "slippery slope". "But Judge, Just because I created a huge Wake in a tight area of navigation, all operators should be able to deal with that. Right"? That probably won't fly. But, it seems you like that approach.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Ya, what about this and what about that? If you create a hazard to navigation, you are at fault. Period. Argue with USCG and Congress. They wrote and approved the law. Tell them your "what abouts". Let them deal with your "slippery slope". "But Judge, Just because I created a huge Wake in a tight area of navigation, all operators should be able to deal with that. Right"? That probably won't fly. But, it seems you like that approach.

That's not what I am saying, I am saying that the law is written too vaguely to be anywhere near enforceable. Furthermore, I can't see a way for the writing of the law to be tightened up to make it more enforceable without some unintended consequences for all of us with a 23ft+ boat.

 

[SBMech]

That's not what I am saying, I am saying that the law is written too vaguely to be anywhere near enforceable. Furthermore, I can't see a way for the writing of the law to be tightened up to make it more enforceable without some unintended consequences for all of us with a 23ft+ boat.

It's about a vague as any other laws written to police the public, they are all open to interpretation by the officer on the scene.

If they were looking for these ill-educated or ignorant captains instead of leg humping a DUI check point, the water and the public would be safer.

Some guys just like doing it to be fucking dickheads, they actually brag about it, so there is that as well to consider. All in all it is easily addressed by current legislation already in place, we just need the agencies out there to look for actual dangers from operators, rather than the 3 arrests they get out of hassling the 300 other boaters out there.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Seems LEOs enforce the BUI situation but not the wake responsibilty situation. The second situation requires a judgement decision by law enforcement. BUI really does not (breath analysis etc). Each are understandably against the law. But, only one is regularly enforced.

 

[Done-it-again]

If your reposnsible for your wake then someone needs to tell the London Bridge boat tour boat. That things throws a big wake. Almost cought some good air a couple of years ago passing right before reed island going to the lake. It was pucker factor of a 100, I was able to slow down and surf the wave then powered down and around.

 

[RCDave]

Been running the upper river for decades now. The wake off the London Bridge Jet boat is childs play compared to what some of these "WAKE-board" boats put out. At least in my experience.

 

[rivermobster]

This is just awful to read. I can just feel the level of frustration here on both sides of the coin. There is no easy answer to this.

I don't understand the attraction of these wakeboard boats at all personally. It makes zero sense to me.

But just because its not my cup of tea, should they be banned?

I jumped on the jet ski craze right when they came out. It was like riding a dirt bike on the water. Huge fun!

But as we were labeled "water ruiners" by the water skiers and such, being a boater and a skier, I took that shit personally.

The answer for me was to hit the lower river. We stayed at Lost Lakes for years. It was jet ski heaven down there! Zero wakes. Minimal boaters. And very few skiers to disturb. It was a win win situation and we had years of fun playing down there.

You guys with these RB boats need to consider your surrounding Very carefully...

Find a place to play that works for you as well as Everyone else. Make it a win win deal.

And not a fuck you, I paid for this so I can do whatever I want kinda deal.

Be respectful. Be courteous. Be aware of your affect on those around you and do what ever you need to do to have a great time, while you are making dam sure people around can do the same.

Fuck roll bar boats. Fuck jet skis. Fuck Parker. Its closed to everybody but me!

 

[SBMech]

This is just awful to read. I can just feel the level of frustration here on both sides of the coin. There is no easy answer to this.

I don't understand the attraction of these wakeboard boats at all personally. It makes zero sense to me.

But just because its not my cup of tea, should they be banned?

I jumped on the jet ski craze right when they came out. It was like riding a dirt bike on the water. Huge fun!

But as we were labeled "water ruiners" by the water skiers and such, being a boater and a skier, I took that shit personally.

The answer for me was to hit the lower river. We stayed at Lost Lakes for years. It was jet ski heaven down there! Zero wakes. Minimal boaters. And very few skiers to disturb. It was a win win situation and we had years of fun playing down there.

You guys with these RB boats need to consider your surrounding Very carefully...

Find a place to play that works for you as well as Everyone else. Make it a win win deal.

And not a fuck you, I paid for this so I can do whatever I want kinda deal.

Be respectful. Be courteous. Be aware of your affect on those around you and do what ever you need to do to have a great time, while you are making dam sure people around can do the same.

Fuck roll bar boats. Fuck jet skis. Fuck Parker. Its closed to everybody but me!

Hehe I wonder how long it would last if it was Jet boats hosing everyone down with roostertails? I am a pretty good shot with one.....

Courtesy is necessary for our continued enjoyment together....

 

[Andy01]

Hehe I wonder how long it would last if it was Jet boats hosing everyone down with roostertails? I am a pretty good shot with one.....

That is a great example!! I applaud you for that. So lets use that as the example, you are driving your bad ass jet boat down the river throwing a big ole roost!! People are lining the shoreline to see it because it is so big! Then a guy in ohhhh say a 23 Ultra Deck boat comes cruising down the lake, he sees you, and needs to pass you because he is in a hurry. He goes to pass you driving right into your roost, but YOUR roostertail fills his boat with water in 1.5 seconds because that roostertailer is damn big (remember people have lined the shore to see you put up your roostertail). His boat sinks, he comes on here and says "that cool mother f'r with the jet boat sunk me because I had to drive into his roostertail". Then everyone says "ban jet boats they are unsafe". When in fact you were just cruising down the lake having fun in your jet and this dude decided to drive under the Niagara falls of roost. Wake board guy didn't do this on purpose, he was simply driving down the lake. Your example isn't even close to what happen, I like jet boats don't get me wrong, you just have a misunderstanding as to what took place.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

This is just awful to read. I can just feel the level of frustration here on both sides of the coin. There is no easy answer to this.

I don't understand the attraction of these wakeboard boats at all personally. It makes zero sense to me.

But just because its not my cup of tea, should they be banned?

I jumped on the jet ski craze right when they came out. It was like riding a dirt bike on the water. Huge fun!

But as we were labeled "water ruiners" by the water skiers and such, being a boater and a skier, I took that shit personally.

The answer for me was to hit the lower river. We stayed at Lost Lakes for years. It was jet ski heaven down there! Zero wakes. Minimal boaters. And very few skiers to disturb. It was a win win situation and we had years of fun playing down there.

You guys with these RB boats need to consider your surrounding Very carefully...

Find a place to play that works for you as well as Everyone else. Make it a win win deal.

And not a fuck you, I paid for this so I can do whatever I want kinda deal.

Be respectful. Be courteous. Be aware of your affect on those around you and do what ever you need to do to have a great time, while you are making dam sure people around can do the same.

Fuck roll bar boats. Fuck jet skis. Fuck Parker. Its closed to everybody but me!

Wow ! You’re assuming people’s personality’s and actions can actually do a 180 and be reversed ? I wish ...

 

[Old Texan]

Just my opinion, but it all goes back to being a responsible operator and knowing what your boat creates. Wakes are far different from rooster tails from jet boats as they cannot be seen and they travel especially in narrows.

The law is the law and just isn't being enforced due to whatever reason by LE.

Wakes of great size often cannot be detected until it's too late and they also can be prevented by responsible captains.

It's that simple. If it takes tickets and fines to make the point clear, so be it. But no new laws need to be made and no boats need to be banned. It's operational error/negligence.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Just my opinion, but it all goes back to being a responsible operator and knowing what your boat creates. Wakes are far different from rooster tails from jet boats as they cannot be seen and they travel especially in narrows.

The law is the law and just isn't being enforced due to whatever reason by LE.

Wakes of great size often cannot be detected until it's too late and they also can be prevented by responsible captains.

It's that simple. If it takes tickets and fines to make the point clear, so be it. But no new laws need to be made and no boats need to be banned. It's operational error/negligence.

100% Spot On

 

[SBMech]

That is a great example!! I applaud you for that. So lets use that as the example, you are driving your bad ass jet boat down the river throwing a big ole roost!! People are lining the shoreline to see it because it is so big! Then a guy in ohhhh say a 23 Ultra Deck boat comes cruising down the lake, he sees you, and needs to pass you because he is in a hurry. He goes to pass you driving right into your roost, but YOUR roostertail fills his boat with water in 1.5 seconds because that roostertailer is damn big (remember people have lined the shore to see you put up your roostertail). His boat sinks, he comes on here and says "that cool mother f'r with the jet boat sunk me because I had to drive into his roostertail". Then everyone says "ban jet boats they are unsafe". When in fact you were just cruising down the lake having fun in your jet and this dude decided to drive under the Niagara falls of roost. Wake board guy didn't do this on purpose, he was simply driving down the lake. Your example isn't even close to what happen, I like jet boats don't get me wrong, you just have a misunderstanding as to what took place.

I don't misunderstand the original scenario, IMO both parties had a hand in it. They guy in the RB boat was wrong to have his tanks full just to fuck with people, and the ultra owner made a bad pass or made a mistake in control of his low draft boat in that particular fucked up situation.

When decisions have to be made in a few seconds, we can second guess how it should have been handled or what could have been done differently endlessly.

It still comes down to you being responsible for YOUR vessel and it's contents and passengers, as well as it's wake.

I live by the motto "when in doubt, gas it out", as I have seen many swamped boats in my years of boating, most from inexperience or ignorance, IE lack of skill.

By no means am I saying that the OP made a bad decision, he did what he thought was right, and is living with the results. That's fucking manning up to the roof if you ask me~!

The jet comment was just a joke about us jet botes being third most hated after RB and lake lice.....but hilariously if it were jets doing the harm we'd probably already be banned, tarred & feathered and run out of town by now!

 

[buck35]

I have to say you are just fugging wrong here. If the wake boat is plowing thru a channel with no one behind and is full of ballast he is a dick or a dumb fok. We all go out to have a good time, not ruin some one else's.

Edit, this was a reply to andy.

 

[Ultra912]

Ok, ok, I get it. I never said it was ALL their fault but;

He didn't stop and help my family and me out of the water, in fact, I screamed help to them, they looked and thus saw us but kept on going.

The FUCKIN ballast shouldn't be used in the gorge! I now stand by that. There was a post earlier that said this guy was pulling a knee board in there on Sunday.

I'm not a fucking novice, that kinda remark boils my blood. I have 2 boats and been on Havasu and the river since 89, 29 fucking years. Let me catch my breath.

With that said, and my pussy ass crying as I type, the verdict is in,,,,she's totaled. Bulk head compromised. They didn't even look at the motor after they saw that.

My family was raised on this boat. I'm actually having a bit of brain trauma to be honest. I just paid my last boat payment last month. 12 fucking years.

Now I'll have to deal with the ins trying to SCREW me!!!!!

I almost feel like selling my house out there,,,,,but I won't and I'll find another boat and it won't be easy or new and I'll have to deal with that. I like having something nobody else has and that boat was almost one of a kind, straight off the LA boat show floor from John. So, what do I do now?

You guys are a good group of knowledge. I'll play hardball with the ins company. Rusty tells me 40-45K but I'm not sure they ins the trailer which BTW, was a pristine trailer with high end wheels and all the bells and whistles,,,,like I said, right off the boat show floor.

I think I'm gonna go with twin OB if I can find a nice one 24-26 feet this time. But right now I'm gonna just try and heal.

Some people go through boats like candy,,,I don't. I get attached. I've had my other boat since 1989. I restored it from bow to transom. I had this one for 12 years, in my garage and it was like new.

If anyone knows about a nice OB with 24-26 feet let me know.

I'll say it again,,,,,,it WAS not all their fault or mine but I sure as fuck wouldn't of had the ballast loaded and I sure as hell woulda turned around and offered help. If this guy is reading, which I HIGHLY doubt,,,,fuck you asshole! Let the comments continue and don't be shy, tell it like it is.

 

[SBMech]

Ok, ok, I get it. I never said it was ALL their fault but;

He didn't stop and help my family and me out of the water, in fact, I screamed help to them, they looked and thus saw us but kept on going.

The FUCKIN ballast shouldn't be used in the gorge! I now stand by that. There was a post earlier that said this guy was pulling a knee board in there on Sunday.

I'm not a fucking novice, that kinda remark boils my blood. I have 2 boats and been on Havasu and the river since 89, 29 fucking years. Let me catch my breath.

With that said, and my pussy ass crying as I type, the verdict is in,,,,she's totaled. Bulk head compromised. They didn't even look at the motor after they saw that.

My family was raised on this boat. I'm actually having a bit of brain trauma to be honest. I just paid my last boat payment last month. 12 fucking years.

Now I'll have to deal with the ins trying to SCREW me!!!!!

I almost feel like selling my house out there,,,,,but I won't and I'll find another boat and it won't be easy or new and I'll have to deal with that. I like having something nobody else has and that boat was almost one of a kind, straight off the LA boat show floor from John. So, what do I do now?

You guys are a good group of knowledge. I'll play hardball with the ins company. Rusty tells me 40-45K but I'm not sure they ins the trailer which BTW, was a pristine trailer with high end wheels and all the bells and whistles,,,,like I said, right off the boat show floor.

I think I'm gonna go with twin OB if I can find a nice one 24-26 feet this time. But right now I'm gonna just try and heal.

Some people go through boats like candy,,,I don't. I get attached. I've had my other boat since 1989. I restored it from bow to transom. I had this one for 12 years, in my garage and it was like new.

If anyone knows about a nice OB with 24-26 feet let me know.

I'll say it again,,,,,,it WAS not all their fault or mine but I sure as fuck wouldn't of had the ballast loaded and I sure as hell woulda turned around and offered help. If this guy is reading, which I HIGHLY doubt,,,,fuck you asshole! Let the comments continue and don't be shy, tell it like it is.

Sorry to read it was a total.

On the bright side you should be able to use the drive train, maybe lady luck will shine on you and help you out with a project that just needs a drive train!

Praying for your luck to turn around Ultra912!

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Ok, ok, I get it. I never said it was ALL their fault but;

He didn't stop and help my family and me out of the water, in fact, I screamed help to them, they looked and thus saw us but kept on going.

The FUCKIN ballast shouldn't be used in the gorge! I now stand by that. There was a post earlier that said this guy was pulling a knee board in there on Sunday.

I'm not a fucking novice, that kinda remark boils my blood. I have 2 boats and been on Havasu and the river since 89, 29 fucking years. Let me catch my breath.

With that said, and my pussy ass crying as I type, the verdict is in,,,,she's totaled. Bulk head compromised. They didn't even look at the motor after they saw that.

My family was raised on this boat. I'm actually having a bit of brain trauma to be honest. I just paid my last boat payment last month. 12 fucking years.

Now I'll have to deal with the ins trying to SCREW me!!!!!

I almost feel like selling my house out there,,,,,but I won't and I'll find another boat and it won't be easy or new and I'll have to deal with that. I like having something nobody else has and that boat was almost one of a kind, straight off the LA boat show floor from John. So, what do I do now?

You guys are a good group of knowledge. I'll play hardball with the ins company. Rusty tells me 40-45K but I'm not sure they ins the trailer which BTW, was a pristine trailer with high end wheels and all the bells and whistles,,,,like I said, right off the boat show floor.

I think I'm gonna go with twin OB if I can find a nice one 24-26 feet this time. But right now I'm gonna just try and heal.

Some people go through boats like candy,,,I don't. I get attached. I've had my other boat since 1989. I restored it from bow to transom. I had this one for 12 years, in my garage and it was like new.

If anyone knows about a nice OB with 24-26 feet let me know.

I'll say it again,,,,,,it WAS not all their fault or mine but I sure as fuck wouldn't of had the ballast loaded and I sure as hell woulda turned around and offered help. If this guy is reading, which I HIGHLY doubt,,,,fuck you asshole! Let the comments continue and don't be shy, tell it like it is.

Sucks to hear the news about being totaled. Definitely play hardball and do what you can to make the best of the situation. The people in this particular situation sounds like douche canoes who may or may not need some brain cells rearranged. Fuck them.

Please know that the back and forth discussion about fault isn't directed at you, its about broader hypothetical issues as a whole.

Also, I commend you for saying its not all their fault and not all your fault, takes a lot of integrity to admit you are at least partially at fault.

If I can ask, what insurance company takes care of your boat policy?

 

[brgrcru]

I thought it was a water canon that sunk someone's boat.
then come to find out it was those damn wake boats again.

so lets get this straight
getting your boat wet at the river is a no no
Parker Strip is closed
no water cannons. super soakers are okay though
no jet boats
no sea do's
no boats over 23 feet
no wake boats
no ballast
surfing behind wake/surf boats are gay
Schiadas are trailer queens
guys that own DCB's are Douch bags
snap on tools suck , but matco are great.
damn " Planet of the Pit Bulls " are taking over and biting everyone

WTF

is this where we are headed " Fuck everyone that does not boat like I do? "
wow?

 

[Hallett Dave]

Very interesting thread.
I have had situations with wake board boats, big ass boats as well as pontoon boats with their wakes.
My Hallett does not create a big wake.
However, it is capable of putting a roost over the AVI bridge.
That is all I have to say about that.

I have to say you are just fugging wrong here. If the wake boat is plowing thru a channel with no one behind and is full of ballast he is a dick or a dumb fok. We all go out to have a good time, not ruin some one else's.

Edit, this was a reply to andy.

I thought it was a water canon that sunk someone's boat.
then come to find out it was those damn wake boats again.

so lets get this straight
getting your boat wet at the river is a no no
Parker Strip is closed
no water cannons. super soakers are okay though
no jet boats
no sea do's
no boats over 23 feet
no wake boats
no ballast
surfing behind wake/surf boats are gay
Schiadas are trailer queens
guys that own DCB's are Douch bags
snap on tools suck , but matco are great.
damn " Planet of the Pit Bulls " are taking over and biting everyone

WTF

is this where we are headed " Fuck everyone that does not boat like I do? "
wow?

 

[Hallett Dave]

Keep your head on a swivel. Be aware of what is ahead of you, what is coming from behind you and what might be coming out of a cove.
If you have passengers on board tell them to be helpful observers.
I don't like some of the situations that other boaters have put me in, but again, the boat operator is responsible for their actions or non actions.

 

[Ultra912]

Sucks to hear the news about being totaled. Definitely play hardball and do what you can to make the best of the situation. The people in this particular situation sounds like douche canoes who may or may not need some brain cells rearranged. Fuck them.

Please know that the back and forth discussion about fault isn't directed at you, its about broader hypothetical issues as a whole.

Also, I commend you for saying its not all their fault and not all your fault, takes a lot of integrity to admit you are at least partially at fault.

If I can ask, what insurance company takes care of your boat policy?

Seaworthy,,,,Gyco

 

[DrunkenSailor]

Ultra good on you for posting. If it was my boat I would be pissed. The guy didn't stop to help because he knew he would be in trouble if he did. Not rendering aid to a sinking boat is the worst thing possible in my eyes. I said a couple of months ago that I was surprised that we don't hear about this more often and I was hit with a number of responses that the deck boats had been around for awhile and that they are safe. Under normal conditions I would agree but when dealing with boats creating 3-4 rollers they are gonna run into issues and we will hear about more of these.

 

[rvrrun]

To go,along,with the lack of etiquette, there are actually some of the surf crowd that truly think its funny or badass when they can get one of their wakes big enough to go over another boat. I have personally overhead some of these tools laughing and bragging about that happening. Its pathetic.

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That is truly pathetic.

 

[lbhsbz]

If your reposnsible for your wake then someone needs to tell the London Bridge boat tour boat. That things throws a big wake. Almost cought some good air a couple of years ago passing right before reed island going to the lake. It was pucker factor of a 100, I was able to slow down and surf the wave then powered down and around.

That boat created a condition, that didn’t harm any existing structures/situations. It will be argued in court that others need to adapt to conditions as they can rapidly change.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

That is a great example!! I applaud you for that. So lets use that as the example, you are driving your bad ass jet boat down the river throwing a big ole roost!! People are lining the shoreline to see it because it is so big! Then a guy in ohhhh say a 23 Ultra Deck boat comes cruising down the lake, he sees you, and needs to pass you because he is in a hurry. He goes to pass you driving right into your roost, but YOUR roostertail fills his boat with water in 1.5 seconds because that roostertailer is damn big (remember people have lined the shore to see you put up your roostertail). His boat sinks, he comes on here and says "that cool mother f'r with the jet boat sunk me because I had to drive into his roostertail". Then everyone says "ban jet boats they are unsafe". When in fact you were just cruising down the lake having fun in your jet and this dude decided to drive under the Niagara falls of roost. Wake board guy didn't do this on purpose, he was simply driving down the lake. Your example isn't even close to what happen, I like jet boats don't get me wrong, you just have a misunderstanding as to what took place.

Andy, come on man. That is pretty much an apples to oranges situation. A rooster tail is a narrow (relatively), VERY viable from a distance thing while the boat producing it is traveling at a MUCH higher rate of speed thus DRASTICALLY reducing the hazerdousness of it versus a huge wave that REQUIRES crossing unless slowing to their very slow speed as well as the fact that those waves can be VERY hard to see from any distance.

And btw, there are plenty of wakeboat operators that try to at least swamp boats. If you ever doubt that, read some of the comments on Instagram wakesurfing posts. Its even scarier that these people are operating boats when you hear them say that shit in person to other people.

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[Riverbound]

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[stephenkatsea]

WTF - just be accountable for your actions. I don’t care if it’s being hosed down from a jet boats nozzle or a wake from any vessel. Looks like there may be some trolling going on here. Whad ya think Andy/Kevin?

 

[SBMech]

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See? This is all it takes, just do your thing out where it's no big deal....everyone wins.

 

[Andy01]

I have to say you are just fugging wrong here. If the wake boat is plowing thru a channel with no one behind and is full of ballast he is a dick or a dumb fok. We all go out to have a good time, not ruin some one else's.

Edit, this was a reply to andy.

Oh please elaborate for me........ I didn't know you witnessed it and KNOW that the ballast were full. Maybe the guy had a child on board that was scared so he was just going slow, maybe he didn't know the lake that well and was being slow and cautions with his tanks empty.

Now I'll have to deal with the ins trying to SCREW me!!!!!
I almost feel like selling my house out there
I think I'm gonna go with twin OB if I can find a nice one 24-26 feet this time. But right now I'm gonna just try and heal.

You could buy a nice pre owned wake board boat for that........ ha ha ha totally kidding. This is where I always preach "agreed value" on your boat policies, if you had a agreed value policy on that boat you would know exactly how much you were getting, no "getting screwed" by the insurance company. That said please feel free to call me, use me as a resource. I can help you navigate your claim with the insurance company. Seriously it's what I do, I insure custom high performance boats. 310/480/4285, Andy. Call anytime, I'd be happy to help. After all at the end of the day I'm just another performance boater like you and everyone else on the forums.

Andy, come on man. That is pretty much an apples to oranges situation.

And btw, there are plenty of wakeboat operators that try to at least swamp boats. If you ever doubt that, read some of the comments on Instagram wakesurfing posts. Its even scarier that these people are operating boats when you hear them say that shit in person to other people.

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Hook line and sinker I was poking fun at his "hosing down" with the rootertail, it was done in humor. Entertainment purposes and a little jab all at once.
I have never heard of someone saying lets go swap some boats, That is fucked up. How about I go run over some wake board boats. That would be a pretty bold and douche'y thing to say.

WTF - just be accountable for your actions. I don’t care if it’s being hosed down from a jet boats nozzle or a wake from any vessel. Looks like there may be some trolling going on here. Whad ya think Andy/Kevin?

Kevin I think he's talking to you

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Psss you need a bigger life jacket Bill (we all do)

 

[farmo83]

Everyone that says this is Ultra's fault- if this happened to you, you would be singing a different tune.

 

[RCDave]

The combination of sub planing speed and full ballast produces consistent and predictable physics output.

On plane and empty ballasts would be very very unlikely to produce a series of wakes big enough to result in the sinking of U 912's boat.

And none of us were there to walk in his shoes when it happened. To judge his actions may lead to an incorrect conclusion.

Just thank god his family and friends walked without significant injury. That's all that matters here.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Oh please elaborate for me........ I didn't know you witnessed it and KNOW that the ballast were full. Maybe the guy had a child on board that was scared so he was just going slow, maybe he didn't know the lake that well and was being slow and cautions with his tanks empty.



You could buy a nice pre owned wake board boat for that........ ha ha ha totally kidding. This is where I always preach "agreed value" on your boat policies, if you had a agreed value policy on that boat you would know exactly how much you were getting, no "getting screwed" by the insurance company. That said please feel free to call me, use me as a resource. I can help you navigate your claim with the insurance company. Seriously it's what I do, I insure custom high performance boats. 310/480/4285, Andy. Call anytime, I'd be happy to help. After all at the end of the day I'm just another performance boater like you and everyone else on the forums.


Hook line and sinker I was poking fun at his "hosing down" with the rootertail, it was done in humor. Entertainment purposes and a little jab all at once.
I have never heard of someone saying lets go swap some boats, That is fucked up. How about I go run over some wake board boats. That would be a pretty bold and douche'y thing to say.

Kevin I think he's talking to you

Psss you need a bigger life jacket Bill (we all do)

I can usually spot your fishing techniques. You got me good on that one. And he probably was.

If you ever want to see the mentality of so many wake surfer types, cruise through their posts. Its sickening.

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[rivermobster]

Ok, ok, I get it. I never said it was ALL their fault but;

He didn't stop and help my family and me out of the water, in fact, I screamed help to them, they looked and thus saw us but kept on going.

The FUCKIN ballast shouldn't be used in the gorge! I now stand by that. There was a post earlier that said this guy was pulling a knee board in there on Sunday.

I'm not a fucking novice, that kinda remark boils my blood. I have 2 boats and been on Havasu and the river since 89, 29 fucking years. Let me catch my breath.

With that said, and my pussy ass crying as I type, the verdict is in,,,,she's totaled. Bulk head compromised. They didn't even look at the motor after they saw that.

My family was raised on this boat. I'm actually having a bit of brain trauma to be honest. I just paid my last boat payment last month. 12 fucking years.

Now I'll have to deal with the ins trying to SCREW me!!!!!

I almost feel like selling my house out there,,,,,but I won't and I'll find another boat and it won't be easy or new and I'll have to deal with that. I like having something nobody else has and that boat was almost one of a kind, straight off the LA boat show floor from John. So, what do I do now?

You guys are a good group of knowledge. I'll play hardball with the ins company. Rusty tells me 40-45K but I'm not sure they ins the trailer which BTW, was a pristine trailer with high end wheels and all the bells and whistles,,,,like I said, right off the boat show floor.

I think I'm gonna go with twin OB if I can find a nice one 24-26 feet this time. But right now I'm gonna just try and heal.

Some people go through boats like candy,,,I don't. I get attached. I've had my other boat since 1989. I restored it from bow to transom. I had this one for 12 years, in my garage and it was like new.

If anyone knows about a nice OB with 24-26 feet let me know.

I'll say it again,,,,,,it WAS not all their fault or mine but I sure as fuck wouldn't of had the ballast loaded and I sure as hell woulda turned around and offered help. If this guy is reading, which I HIGHLY doubt,,,,fuck you asshole! Let the comments continue and don't be shy, tell it like it is.

Well that just sucks on so many different levels.

Sorry to read this. Makes me sad and mad. Hope you find a way to get through it. Good luck!

 

[buck35]

Oh please elaborate for me........ I didn't know you witnessed it and KNOW that the ballast were full. Maybe the guy had a child on board that was scared so he was just going slow, maybe he didn't know the lake that well and was being slow and cautions with his tanks empty.



You could buy a nice pre owned wake board boat for that........ ha ha ha totally kidding. This is where I always preach "agreed value" on your boat policies, if you had a agreed value policy on that boat you would know exactly how much you were getting, no "getting screwed" by the insurance company. That said please feel free to call me, use me as a resource. I can help you navigate your claim with the insurance company. Seriously it's what I do, I insure custom high performance boats. 310/480/4285, Andy. Call anytime, I'd be happy to help. After all at the end of the day I'm just another performance boater like you and everyone else on the forums.


Hook line and sinker I was poking fun at his "hosing down" with the rootertail, it was done in humor. Entertainment purposes and a little jab all at once.
I have never heard of someone saying lets go swap some boats, That is fucked up. How about I go run over some wake board boats. That would be a pretty bold and douche'y thing to say.

Kevin I think he's talking to you

Psss you need a bigger life jacket Bill (we all do)

Well andy. I said" if" the boat was plowing and no I wasn't there... were you? As an agent I'd think you could be a little more open minded and respectful of what the op just went through .

 

[DoTheDrew09]

First and foremost, sorry for your loss and glad everyone is ok, I would be devastated if I lost my boat as well. However, I’m a little taken back by the whole scenario. By no means do I just cruise around with loaded ballast all day, especially in channels, up the gorge, or on parker. That being said, if I see oncoming traffic and people sitting at a stand still in the water in front of me, I wouldn’t think to carry on and take a 4’ roller at 40 mph, especially with loved ones in the nose of an open bow. Normally your first instinct would either be to throttle out completely and float behind the pontoon until the oncoming traffic passes, or at the very least throttle out to below plane so you can safely plow through the oncoming wake. Too many times I’ve been headed up the gorge on a busy weekend (doing 15-20 mph, because the water is shit from the traffic already) and of course there’s always the assholes that have to haul ass up river doing 70-100 through traffic. Time and time they’ll hit my wake and be completely out of the water. My 22’ centurion tops out about 34 mph w a 350 mag. Never have I thought it would be a good idea to hit opposing traffics’ wake at full speed in my boat. By that logic, when there’s 30 mph winds and 3-5’ swells on the lake, and I decide to take my boat on it only to capsize the boat, I’m going to blame it on the weather? no, it would be nobody else’s fault but my own and my own poor judgement. Again sorry for your loss, but sometimes we gotta own up to our own mistakes, whether that be riding with an overloaded (bow-heavy) boat, under the influence, or simply driving to fast for the conditions at hand. Good day

 

[highvoltagehands]

The National BallastBoat Association(NBA) slogan: "BallastBoats don't sink People. People sink People."

 

[Justfishing]

The wake boat is responsible for his actions. There are many examples of people creating hazards and being responsible. If you build a swimming pool and don't put a fence around it then you have created and attractive nuisance. If you drive recklessly and run someone off the road etc

Most states have laws about your wake damaging property. I would assume there are laws as to how close to shore, boats, docks etc when operating above no wake speed.

If the channel is that narrow a wake boat should not be plowing through. It was at risk of damaging boats at rest and endangering swimmers. The wake in the confined area does not give other boaters a chance to evasive action.

I boat lake of the Ozarks. Lots of big boats, cruisers to 60' etc. You know to give the big boats a wide berth and you have room to do it.

Part of being a boater is knowing how your boat is going to affect others. If your boat thows a large wake when getting on plane then don't do it around other boats. For wake boats you shouldn't be in a channel or near beaches. You should take your activity where it has less of an impact on others.

I think some regulations for wake boats and where they can operate with ballast might be needed. Maybe say that they need to be at least 200' from other boats, can't operate in channels when swimmers or boats are present etc.

 

[stephenkatsea]

There has been mention here of the wake from the casino boat. Of all the operators on Havasu the USCG licensed Captains of the casino boat are probably most aware of their responsibility for their wake.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Although, since the vessel is Tribal owned, it may complicate things.

 

[checkrd past]

Keep your head on a swivel. Be aware of what is ahead of you, what is coming from behind you and what might be coming out of a cove.
If you have passengers on board tell them to be helpful observers.
I don't like some of the situations that other boaters have put me in, but again, the boat operator is responsible for their actions or non actions.

This is why I have a rear view mirror. I dont hate big ass boats hauling ass by me because I see them coming.Its the sigh of the times

 

[Flying_Lavey]

First and foremost, sorry for your loss and glad everyone is ok, I would be devastated if I lost my boat as well. However, I’m a little taken back by the whole scenario. By no means do I just cruise around with loaded ballast all day, especially in channels, up the gorge, or on parker. That being said, if I see oncoming traffic and people sitting at a stand still in the water in front of me, I wouldn’t think to carry on and take a 4’ roller at 40 mph, especially with loved ones in the nose of an open bow. Normally your first instinct would either be to throttle out completely and float behind the pontoon until the oncoming traffic passes, or at the very least throttle out to below plane so you can safely plow through the oncoming wake. Too many times I’ve been headed up the gorge on a busy weekend (doing 15-20 mph, because the water is shit from the traffic already) and of course there’s always the assholes that have to haul ass up river doing 70-100 through traffic. Time and time they’ll hit my wake and be completely out of the water. My 22’ centurion tops out about 34 mph w a 350 mag. Never have I thought it would be a good idea to hit opposing traffics’ wake at full speed in my boat. By that logic, when there’s 30 mph winds and 3-5’ swells on the lake, and I decide to take my boat on it only to capsize the boat, I’m going to blame it on the weather? no, it would be nobody else’s fault but my own and my own poor judgement. Again sorry for your loss, but sometimes we gotta own up to our own mistakes, whether that be riding with an overloaded (bow-heavy) boat, under the influence, or simply driving to fast for the conditions at hand. Good day

Youre comparing a naturally occuring hazard that is plainly visable to a manmade one that is difficult to see at best.

When a wake boat is cruising with balasts ful they essentially become that wide load semi on a 3 lane highway that is taking up 2 lanes and going 20mph due to the size and width of their massive wakes and the speed of which they do it at. Now, say you're on your commute home and you come across one of those semis doing just that. You'd be pretty irritated right? Saying things like "why is he doing this at 5pm on a Tuesday on the I-5???"

Well.... Same thing with the wake boats doing so. Difference is there are laws on the highway that almost entirely prevent that from happening. On the lake, there are some. Just none that get enforced.

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[DrunkenSailor]

Ultra getting bashed isn't fair. Dude just lost his boat. Shit if he could have done something different he would have. Wake boats throwing down ocean swells where they were isn't safe operating. The law is that you are responsible for your own wake. If I cruise through Newport harbor and put a boat into a dock or a sea wall because I'm going above wakeless bet your Ass I'm getting a visit from the sheriff. I don't get how people don't understand this. You are responsible for the wake your boat creates. Period. End of conversation. If that wake wasn't there ultra would still have his boat. He is manning up and saying that he is partially responsible because he is second guessing himself. What if I had powered through? What if I had taken a different angle? He broke a bulkhead because he ran into a big As s wave caused by another boat. I don't care if it's a wake boat, a casino boat or a hatterras you are responsible for the wkke your boat creates. If it causes damage you are liable. Which this guy knew which is why he didn't stop to render aid. which is the most f-ed up part of this entire story. F that guy and anyone defending his right to enjoy the river creating hazards for everyone else. Rant over.

 

[Waffles]

Ultra getting bashed isn't fair. Dude just lost his boat. Shit if he could have done something different he would have. Wake boats throwing down ocean swells where they were isn't safe operating. The law is that you are responsible for your own wake. If I cruise through Newport harbor and put a boat into a dock or a sea wall because I'm going above wakeless bet your Ass I'm getting a visit from the sheriff. I don't get how people don't understand this. You are responsible for the wake your boat creates. Period. End of conversation. If that wake wasn't there ultra would still have his boat. He is manning up and saying that he is partially responsible because he is second guessing himself. What if I had powered through? What if I had taken a different angle? He broke a bulkhead because he ran into a big As s wave caused by another boat. I don't care if it's a wake boat, a casino boat or a hatterras you are responsible for the wkke your boat creates. If it causes damage you are liable. Which this guy knew which is why he didn't stop to render aid. which is the most f-ed up part of this entire story. F that guy and anyone defending his right to enjoy the river creating hazards for everyone else. Rant over.

Life isn't fair.
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[spectras only]

And btw, there are plenty of wakeboat operators that try to at least swamp boats. If you ever doubt that, read some of the comments on Instagram wakesurfing posts. Its even scarier that these people are operating boats when you hear them say that shit in person to other people.

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Yeah, those are the same assholes with diesel trucks, rolling coal when passing some people walking by on the side of the roads.

 

[Singleton]

Ultra getting bashed isn't fair. Dude just lost his boat. Shit if he could have done something different he would have. Wake boats throwing down ocean swells where they were isn't safe operating. The law is that you are responsible for your own wake. If I cruise through Newport harbor and put a boat into a dock or a sea wall because I'm going above wakeless bet your Ass I'm getting a visit from the sheriff. I don't get how people don't understand this. You are responsible for the wake your boat creates. Period. End of conversation. If that wake wasn't there ultra would still have his boat. He is manning up and saying that he is partially responsible because he is second guessing himself. What if I had powered through? What if I had taken a different angle? He broke a bulkhead because he ran into a big As s wave caused by another boat. I don't care if it's a wake boat, a casino boat or a hatterras you are responsible for the wkke your boat creates. If it causes damage you are liable. Which this guy knew which is why he didn't stop to render aid. which is the most f-ed up part of this entire story. F that guy and anyone defending his right to enjoy the river creating hazards for everyone else. Rant over.

Fault is on both boats, can’t blame 1 over the other. It sucks this occurred, but trying to place 100% fault on one boat or another is pure BS. If the Ultra was floating (engine off, not moving) and was swapped by the wakeboat, then the wakeboat is responsible. Since the Ultra was moving and attempted to cross the wake, fault goes to both. While you are responsible for your wake and damage it causes, the minute that damage is caused on another moving vessel, the fault is spread across both boats. Does it suck the wakeboat was causing a huge wake, the answer is yes. But only that operator knows if his tanks were full and that guy is not on RDP.
When I was ordering my Ultra, I was sitting in JW’s office and someone called about a 23 deck and told JW they boat Havasu only. But due to garage length they could not make a 26 work. JW flat out told the guy, the 23 deck is not a great boat for Havasu. The low freeboard does not do well with the Havasu chop. JW told the guy, if you get a 26, I will personally help pay and build the bumpout required on the back wall of your garage to make the 26 fit.
End of day, Ultra lost his family’s boat and that sucks! My takeaway on the OP post. Ultra was venting about losing his boat and giving everyone an FYI, that you need to be well aware of all the wakes out on the lake as they can sneak up on you and ruin your day.

 

[DoTheDrew09]

Youre comparing a naturally occuring hazard that is plainly visable to a manmade one that is difficult to see at best.

When a wake boat is cruising with balasts ful they essentially become that wide load semi on a 3 lane highway that is taking up 2 lanes and going 20mph due to the size and width of their massive wakes and the speed of which they do it at. Now, say you're on your commute home and you come across one of those semis doing just that. You'd be pretty irritated right? Saying things like "why is he doing this at 5pm on a Tuesday on the I-5???"

Well.... Same thing with the wake boats doing so. Difference is there are laws on the highway that almost entirely prevent that from happening. On the lake, there are some. Just none that get enforced.

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I understand what you’re saying, but in my head I picture a different analogy...

Say I’m heading down Rice Rd, I get stuck behind someone doing 30 mph, I make the conscious decision to pass said vehicle. Now in the other lane, there is another vehicle coming at me, but he appears to be a few hundred yards out. The car in front of me is towing his 25’ boat, so I’ve gotta get a pretty good run at it to pass him. Oh shit, I misjudged how fast the other vehicle was going. He was speeding, got to me faster than I thought, so I had to pull off the highway and park my truck in the ditch. My fault because I misjudged and made a shitty pass? Or oncoming traffics’ fault because he was speeding? By your guys’ logic, it’s the opposing vehicles fault for speeding... ignorant imo..

And I’m sure damn near everyone on here has been in a situation pretty damn similar to that on Rice.