Russia and Ukraine

[regor]

War Pigs always looking for a constant means to line their pockets. A world at peace means quiet factories building the means of death...can't have that, now can we?

No kids and has no concern.

A true piece of filth who's simply lashing out because he and his POS friends are losing control.

We'll piss on their bill when we take power.

 

[sprintcvx]

War Pigs always looking for a constant means to line their pockets. A world at peace means quiet factories building the means of death...can't have that, now can we?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735455759624761365

 

[regor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735712984062701646

 

[SNiC Jet]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1739168963169312993

 

[monkeyswrench]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1739168963169312993

Those are the ones that are connected, or have enough money to buy their way out of conscription. Last week Zalensky said they needed another 750,000 conscripts to maintain readiness...750,000 is a big number for a large country. They're running ads asking young couples to sign up, but luckily they didn't approve drafting females.

Putin is said to have asked to meet, and sign a truce or something. Zalensky said in his address last week that the time has come for Ukraine to think for itself, and stop doing what others decide. I don't know what will happen. The last guys that decided not to listen got retired. I think Putin wants surrender of what he's taken. A surrender would mean sales and kickbacks stop...but a new ATM opened in Israel.

 

[Luvnlife]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1739168963169312993

Doesn’t look like a country at war Fuck the Ukrain government

 

[SNiC Jet]

Fuck the Ukrain government

It's not the Ukraine gov that is fucking us....... it's our own!

 

[4Waters]

It's not the Ukraine gov that is fucking us....... it's our own!

Taxation without representation

 

[Luvnlife]

It's not the Ukraine gov that is fucking us....... it's our own!

I agree but they are helping and if they wouldn’t help, well

 

[Luvnlife]

Taxation without representation

I don’t even think it’s our taxes they are just printing it and now it’s worth shit with the inflation the way it is. Wish I knew the laws or specifics. They have a budget but when they need more print it. Fuck its mind boggling.

 

[Looking Glass]

I agree but they are helping and if they wouldn’t help, well

Zelenskyy, "Shelved" whatever Honor, Character, and Morals he did have and "Ain't Too Proud To "BEG"

 

[wzuber]

Zelenskyy, "Shelved" whatever Honor, Character, and Morals he did have and "Ain't Too Proud To "BEG"

What's 10% of the money we've given them? He's not begging, he's following orders. Puppet zelensky......

 

[monkeyswrench]

What's 10% of the money we've given them? He's not begging, he's following orders. Puppet zelensky......

He was just an actor before this gig. Another paid role...

 

[HotRod82]

Big escalation last night, looks like Ukraine sunk a Russian cruiser with a Cruise missle provide by the UK.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Big escalation last night, looks like Ukraine sunk a Russian cruiser with a Cruise missle provide by the UK.

"Ukraine"...somehow I always wonder who actually pulled the trigger. High end weapons supplied by big countries, but used by a group lacking serious training and numbers...

 

[500bbc]

Zelenskyy, "Shelved" whatever Honor, Character, and Morals he did have and "Ain't Too Proud To "BEG"

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

 

[Taboma]

"Ukraine"...somehow I always wonder who actually pulled the trigger. High end weapons supplied by big countries, but used by a group lacking serious training and numbers...

Only news about a Russian Ship being sunk I'm able to find, is about Ukrainian Air Force Bombers blowing up a Russian Landing Ship Novocherkassk in the port of Feodosia in southeastern Crimea. Form the article in Forbes -----

"It’s apparent what happened, as the Ukrainian air force has just one major anti-ship platform: the cruise-missile-armed Sukhoi Su-24 bomber. Launching from western Ukraine and angling southeast, supersonic Sukhois launched either British-made Storm Shadow cruise missiles or French-made SCALP-EGs.

Zooming at low altitude over a distance of up to 155 miles, the roughly 3,000-pound missiles navigated via GPS through Russia’s fraying air-defense network in Crimea and homed in on Novocherkassk’s infrared signature."

 

[monkeyswrench]

Only news about a Russian Ship being sunk I'm able to find, is about Ukrainian Air Force Bombers blowing up a Russian Landing Ship Novocherkassk in the port of Feodosia in southeastern Crimea. Form the article in Forbes -----

"It’s apparent what happened, as the Ukrainian air force has just one major anti-ship platform: the cruise-missile-armed Sukhoi Su-24 bomber. Launching from western Ukraine and angling southeast, supersonic Sukhois launched either British-made Storm Shadow cruise missiles or French-made SCALP-EGs.

Zooming at low altitude over a distance of up to 155 miles, the roughly 3,000-pound missiles navigated via GPS through Russia’s fraying air-defense network in Crimea and homed in on Novocherkassk’s infrared signature."

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That makes more sense. In my head I was thinking a long range cruise missile or drone. The SU-24 is pretty small as bombers goes, but fast. A ballsy pilot flying low could probably get pretty close before pulling the trigger.

Haven't turned on the international intrawebs for updates in almost a week. Not really up on my Israel nor my Ukraine current events. Just wanted to imagine the world at peace for my Christmas. Been trying to focus as much on my little world as I could, and put of the worries of tomorrow until, well, tomorrow.

I know I can't change the world, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let it change me.

 

[Taboma]

That makes more sense. In my head I was thinking a long range cruise missile or drone. The SU-24 is pretty small as bombers goes, but fast. A ballsy pilot flying low could probably get pretty close before pulling the trigger.

Haven't turned on the international intrawebs for updates in almost a week. Not really up on my Israel nor my Ukraine current events. Just wanted to imagine the world at peace for my Christmas. Been trying to focus as much on my little world as I could, and put of the worries of tomorrow until, well, tomorrow.

I know I can't change the world, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let it change me.

"But I'll be damned if I'm going to let it change me." ---- I like that attitude and going to go forth into the new year with that thought affixed firmly in my conscious, regardless what that "IT" may be.

 

[regor]

 

[spectras only]

A Russian victory in Ukraine would present the West with a reconstituted and emboldened Russia that is more determined to undermine the United States. There is no going back to the pre-2022 status quo. The United States is on track to be blindsided by Russia’s transformation — again.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has permanently changed Russia. It has cemented an ultra-nationalist ideology that believes in expansion by force and that is inherently anti-Western. A Russian victory in Ukraine is a certain path.

The high price of pushing Ukraine entering NATO, who knew?

Institute for the Study of War

Allowing Russia to win its war in Ukraine would be a self-imposed strategic defeat for the United States. The United States would face the risk of a larger and costlier war in Europe. The United States would face the worst threat from Russia since the

www.understandingwar.org

2024 will be an interesting year, events unfolding worldwide.

 

[Taboma]

A Russian victory in Ukraine would present the West with a reconstituted and emboldened Russia that is more determined to undermine the United States. There is no going back to the pre-2022 status quo. The United States is on track to be blindsided by Russia’s transformation — again.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has permanently changed Russia. It has cemented an ultra-nationalist ideology that believes in expansion by force and that is inherently anti-Western. A Russian victory in Ukraine is a certain path.

The high price of pushing Ukraine entering NATO, who knew?

Institute for the Study of War

Allowing Russia to win its war in Ukraine would be a self-imposed strategic defeat for the United States. The United States would face the risk of a larger and costlier war in Europe. The United States would face the worst threat from Russia since the

www.understandingwar.org

2024 will be an interesting year, events unfolding worldwide.

From the same source ---- ISW is postured to make even larger contributions to US national security in the coming years. Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine marks the end of the post-Cold War security order in Europe. Russian aggression fundamentally changes the national security landscape America faces. The United States will need to revisit long-held assumptions about US security and fundamentally alter US preparation to face future threats. ISW’s mission to inform US leaders and educate emerging talent has never been more vital.

 

[TPC]

The most tragic thing for the USA and our Democracy is Biden is brutally corrupt and Democrats are good with it.

 

[monkeyswrench]

From the same source ---- ISW is postured to make even larger contributions to US national security in the coming years. Russia’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine marks the end of the post-Cold War security order in Europe. Russian aggression fundamentally changes the national security landscape America faces. The United States will need to revisit long-held assumptions about US security and fundamentally alter US preparation to face future threats. ISW’s mission to inform US leaders and educate emerging talent has never been more vital.

ISW, from what I gather, is another arm of the fabled war machine. They are particularly powerful when it comes down to it. The others, like the manufacturers or suppliers, only get paid during a build up and subsequent use of force.

This "independent" group has the ear of the leadership, in some cases calling shots, but has no oversight, no checks or balances. In a perfect world, this group would be staffed only by those pure of heart, and loyal to humanity. The world is far from perfect though. They are staffed with some people with ties both political and industrial. They get paid to find information and targets. Essentially, paid to find a war, paid to keep our side informed as well.

The wolf telling the sheep who's a threat. Not a group of scholarly fellows sharing information over tea as one may think. A privatized version of the CIA, with no oversight and a passive name.

 

[Taboma]

ISW, from what I gather, is another arm of the fabled war machine. They are particularly powerful when it comes down to it. The others, like the manufacturers or suppliers, only get paid during a build up and subsequent use of force.

This "independent" group has the ear of the leadership, in some cases calling shots, but has no oversight, no checks or balances. In a perfect world, this group would be staffed only by those pure of heart, and loyal to humanity. The world is far from perfect though. They are staffed with some people with ties both political and industrial. They get paid to find information and targets. Essentially, paid to find a war, paid to keep our side informed as well.

The wolf telling the sheep who's a threat. Not a group of scholarly fellows sharing information over tea as one may think. A privatized version of the CIA, with no oversight and a passive name.

Didn't even know they existed prior to Spectra's Only posting the quote from their website. The reason I quoted from their website was due to their assessment, apparently disagreeing with Spectra's Only opinion of why Russia invaded.

Which version is the truth ? I suspect neither and both, but wait, there's so much more.
I truly appreciate that you and I have differing views, not regarding what we'd both really wish the world were like, but in how to deal with the reality it presents.

I'm fully in a support of the most bad-ass war machine any country is capable of creating and I want our country to possess it.
I also wish for nothing more than to never have to use it. I also wish we had leaders capable of being trusted with that enormous responsibility.
Do you suppose the rest of the world would respect that and not test our resolve ?

I'm convinced you will live in peace and be content with the simple life you and your desire. You just want for little more than to live your best self.
For your sake and theirs, I hope nobody decides to test your resolve to protect and defend it.

I humbly submit, the worldly chess game of submission and acquisition is far to complicated and complex for me to fully understand from my vantage point, and I don't trust that the self proclaimed "Experts" are anything but the all knowing they'd have us believe.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I believe we as a country probably do possess the most powerful war machine. By what degree, I often wonder. Every leader wants their people to believe they are far superior, so their people will follow with confidence. It's the whole "fire" analogy, a powerful servant with a fearful master. Currently, our leadership possesses no fear. Maybe overconfidence, or maybe lack of intelligence. They won't feel the wounds.

The rise of the Nazi party took nearly a decade. The war they brought upon this planet scarred us for over a half century. Most of that generation has past on, and taken with them the real memories. We can read, and look at pictures, but we won't fully understand. Men like @Taboma know the true events that made up Vietnam, people like me only know what we were taught in school, or heard from veterans. We do not know what we think we know.

Maybe humanity will be reminded of it's own mortality. If we survive, we will be a better people. Sadly though, we now have the power to erase ourselves. We just hope the leaders realize this, and want the betterment of the world, not end.

 

[Taboma]

I believe we as a country probably do possess the most powerful war machine. By what degree, I often wonder. Every leader wants their people to believe they are far superior, so their people will follow with confidence. It's the whole "fire" analogy, a powerful servant with a fearful master. Currently, our leadership possesses no fear. Maybe overconfidence, or maybe lack of intelligence. They won't feel the wounds.

The rise of the Nazi party took nearly a decade. The war they brought upon this planet scarred us for over a half century. Most of that generation has past on, and taken with them the real memories. We can read, and look at pictures, but we won't fully understand. Men like @Taboma know the true events that made up Vietnam, people like me only know what we were taught in school, or heard from veterans. We do not know what we think we know.

Maybe humanity will be reminded of it's own mortality. If we survive, we will be a better people. Sadly though, we now have the power to erase ourselves. We just hope the leaders realize this, and want the betterment of the world, not end.

I will offer a correction of sorts since I was mentioned (Not that that's a qualifier for voicing our oft stupid opinions ).
I believe in most respects it's a misconception that because a person is or was a participant in a war or battle, it gives us a ringside seat of knowledge in regards to knowing the "True Events".
With the exception of a chosen few with preferential vantage points, being in a waring conflict is like being in a riot encompassing a huge section of a city.
You know what's in front and behind you, what's going on two streets over, who knows and at that moment, it's not your problem.

In Nam, my knowledge base was a Medium Boat Transportation Company. 75' of steel hulled slow motion, making it a damned fine target, and a barking deck mounted 50cal that was capable of defoliating leaves and branches of trees lining a river's bank. With any luck, can even cause the normally unseen enemy rifles to go silent.
So unless we're talking a weather report, or how hot it can get in the LCM engine room with Four 6-71's chugging away, I'm no authority on the point of us being there, other than why I was there and that all started when I opened a letter from Uncle Sam.

All I learned on my next duty station in Germany was, Russians are bad.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I will offer a correction of sorts since I was mentioned (Not that that's a qualifier for voicing our oft stupid opinions ).
I believe in most respects it's a misconception that because a person is or was a participant in a war or battle, it gives us a ringside seat of knowledge in regards to knowing the "True Events".
With the exception of a chosen few with preferential vantage points, being in a waring conflict is like being in a riot encompassing a huge section of a city.
You know what's in front and behind you, what's going on two streets over, who knows and at that moment, it's not your problem.

In Nam, my knowledge base was a Medium Boat Transportation Company. 75' of steel hulled slow motion, making it a damned fine target, and a barking deck mounted 50cal that was capable of defoliating leaves and branches of trees lining a river's bank. With any luck, can even cause the normally unseen enemy rifles to go silent.
So unless we're talking a weather report, or how hot it can get in the LCM engine room with Four 6-71's chugging away, I'm no authority on the point of us being there, other than why I was there and that all started when I opened a letter from Uncle Sam.

All I learned on my next duty station in Germany was, Russians are bad.

Yes, this may be true, but you can still hear the 6-71's, feel the humidity and the concussion of the belt fed...that puts you and others far closer to the reality than majority of the populace.

Memories, or life experiences both good and bad, are better teachers than any classroom can provide. We may be in for a lesson we don't want to learn.

As for Russians, I think they were taught the same things by their bosses, "Americans Bad". One of our better gun shops up here is owned by a Russian fellow. He's probably about 70? I should ask 'ol Borris what he thinks, and what he remembers. He's only been here 20ish years.

 

[regor]

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I believe we as a country probably do possess the most powerful war machine. By what degree, I often wonder. Every leader wants their people to believe they are far superior, so their people will follow with confidence. It's the whole "fire" analogy, a powerful servant with a fearful master. Currently, our leadership possesses no fear. Maybe overconfidence, or maybe lack of intelligence. They won't feel the wounds.

The rise of the Nazi party took nearly a decade. The war they brought upon this planet scarred us for over a half century. Most of that generation has past on, and taken with them the real memories. We can read, and look at pictures, but we won't fully understand. Men like @Taboma know the true events that made up Vietnam, people like me only know what we were taught in school, or heard from veterans. We do not know what we think we know.

Maybe humanity will be reminded of it's own mortality. If we survive, we will be a better people. Sadly though, we now have the power to erase ourselves. We just hope the leaders realize this, and want the betterment of the world, not end.

Well if you believe what is out there, Russia has 30x the munitions manufacturing capacity we do. That isn’t good any way you slice it.

We could be surpassed in a generation if we keep wasting our time arguing over who has a dick and who is paying for it.

Or we could get back to what we were in the 80s and early 90s.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Well if you believe what is out there, Russia has 30x the munitions manufacturing capacity we do. That isn’t good any way you slice it.

We could be surpassed in a generation if we keep wasting out time arguing over who has a dick and who is paying for it.

Pretty sure Russia has us beat with the manufacturing of munitions, no doubt. I would think China does as well. I'm hoping the stories I've heard are true though in terms of the technology being on our side. Russia does have some though, as has been flushed out by their fighting against western munitions and equipment lately.

Honestly, I'd rather live out my days raising my kids, and maybe seeing grandkids someday. I'm too old to learn Russian, Chinese or the Quran. I'm also too stubborn to peacefully accept a fate decided for me on a battlefield, either here or abroad.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Pretty sure Russia has us beat with the manufacturing of munitions, no doubt. I would think China does as well. I'm hoping the stories I've heard are true though in terms of the technology being on our side. Russia does have some though, as has been flushed out by their fighting against western munitions and equipment lately.

Honestly, I'd rather live out my days raising my kids, and maybe seeing grandkids someday. I'm too old to learn Russian, Chinese or the Quran. I'm also too stubborn to peacefully accept a fate decided for me on a battlefield, either here or abroad.

Tech might’ve on our side, but you can only get so far with tech when China, Russia, and mid easterners are willing to keep throwing bodies with munitions at the problem.

You won’t need to learn Russian Chinese or the Quran.

You will need to learn Spanish.

 

[Sandlord]

I’m going to have to go with the Afghans.
They’ve defeated the Russians and the Americans.
Its sucks but its true.
What good is having better weapons if you need permission to use them?

 

[Taboma]

Yes, this may be true, but you can still hear the 6-71's, feel the humidity and the concussion of the belt fed...that puts you and others far closer to the reality than majority of the populace.

Memories, or life experiences both good and bad, are better teachers than any classroom can provide. We may be in for a lesson we don't want to learn.

As for Russians, I think they were taught the same things by their bosses, "Americans Bad". One of our better gun shops up here is owned by a Russian fellow. He's probably about 70? I should ask 'ol Borris what he thinks, and what he remembers. He's only been here 20ish years.

My misunderstanding, I thought you were referring to having a better grasp of the "The Big Picture". I'm sure the folks at home watching the news and Army cheerleading clips knew more on a daily basis.

What I most remember about being in that engine room with those four howling DD's is that very large RED SIGN between the two sets of engines ---
" In the event of a engine runaway, assume a prone position on the floor and DO NOT USE THE LADDER" and then lying there waiting (Forever) as the revs went higher and higher, for the skipper to pull the red knob and hearing all hell break loose as that engine tried to eat itself.
Oh the other thing was, when your clothes are saturated with salty sweet, and you're sitting on a steel plate, 48VDC will cause your asshole to pucker.

During my service my Russian bias was based on why we were there, and those old Germans who fled to the American lines rather than endure the wrath of the Russians.
Many years later I had two Russians working for me, they weren't evil demons, they were just both fucking unforgettably crazy.

But the individual memories, from basic training until I was processed out at Ft Jackson S. Carolina, despite the days of misery, the days of dread, the moments of fear, and so many amazing good times during those couple of years, I value it all as one of my greatest life experiences I certainly don't regret.
I came out a better person, except for some new found racial prejudice for some but also a new found respect for and friendship for others.
Growing up in "White is Right" North Tustin, racial diversification training wasn't taught.

 

[monkeyswrench]

So, a high dollar villa is sold in some resort area of Egypt. A lady from Ukraine bought it. Not just any lady, Zelensky's mother in law.
Journalist finds out, exposes this little tidbit.
Journalist is murdered.

This is from "American Majority":
"Egyptian journalist investigating Zelensky's $5-million-villa in Egypt reportedly found murdered.

Egyptian investigative journalist Mohammed Al-Alawi was famous for his exposé on the purchase of a lavish home in Egypt's El Gouna resort by the mother-in-law of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Preliminary investigations reportedly point to the involvement of a gang of Ukrainian nationals allegedly acting on behalf of the president's office. Both the journalist's family and the police claimed that Al-Alawi's murder was premeditated.

This is where our money goes!"

 

[rmarion]

So, a high dollar villa is sold in some resort area of Egypt. A lady from Ukraine bought it. Not just any lady, Zelensky's mother in law.
Journalist finds out, exposes this little tidbit.
Journalist is murdered.

This is from "American Majority":
"Egyptian journalist investigating Zelensky's $5-million-villa in Egypt reportedly found murdered.

Egyptian investigative journalist Mohammed Al-Alawi was famous for his exposé on the purchase of a lavish home in Egypt's El Gouna resort by the mother-in-law of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Preliminary investigations reportedly point to the involvement of a gang of Ukrainian nationals allegedly acting on behalf of the president's office. Both the journalist's family and the police claimed that Al-Alawi's murder was premeditated.

This is where our money goes!"

about 10% of the funds go to them..

90% are returned to the corrupt government, politicians and elites...

all about $$$$$$ wash

 

[sprintcvx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1749820492389740934

 

[monkeyswrench]

"Misuse" would only imply it was not used as intended. He may not be lying. They could have truly intended for the weapons to be sold on the black market, and used other places.

 

[Sandlord]

"Misuse" would only imply it was not used as intended. He may not be lying. They could have truly intended for the weapons to be sold on the black market, and used other places.

Newsmax reported that weapons sent to Ukraine are showing up with Mexican Cartels now.

 

[JDKRXW]

Newsmax reported that weapons sent to Ukraine are showing up with Mexican Cartels now.

How else is Zelinskyy supposed to pay for his Florida mansion? ... and don't forget about the 10% to the Big Guy.

 

[monkeyswrench]

How else is Zelinskyy supposed to pay for his Florida mansion? ... and don't forget about the 10% to the Big Guy.

Rumors are Zelensky's a coke head, so maybe an exchange program?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Newsmax reported that weapons sent to Ukraine are showing up with Mexican Cartels now.

Sedena Detected Trafficking Of Weapons For Exclusive Use Of The U.S. Army Into Mexico

"Sol Prendido" for Borderland Beat The Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Alicia Bárcena, during today's conference. The Secretary of Foreign Af...

www.borderlandbeat.com

 

[regor]

If one thinks about it, once the MAGA folks let Putin have Europe and China have Taiwan and other ambitions, America will be number three economically as well as in defense capabilities.

Scary intentional strategy.

But we are old, what do we know.

NATO General Secretary Goes Rogue - Says No Threat of Russian Expansion Beyond Ukraine - The Last Refuge

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg always reminds me of former ODNI James Clapper. Both men, a little ordinary, had a tendency to say the obvious non-political ordinary thing accidentally, and that would seemingly frustrate the political narrative engineers. Stoltenberg did it again...

theconservativetreehouse.com

According to the NATO Secretary General, “…we don’t see any direct or imminent threat against any NATO Ally. And therefore, we, of course, monitor closely what Russia does, we have increased our vigilance, our presence in the eastern part of the Alliance, but the whole idea of that is to prevent an attack on a NATO Ally.”

Good job lil water boy!!!!

 

[530RL]

Xi and Putin are hoping and praying for a Trump Presidency.

For then the world is theirs.

UK defense secretary says a Russian victory in the Ukraine war would 'signal to China that everything is up for grabs'

"There's no world in which Putin can be allowed to win," the UK defense secretary, Grant Shapps, wrote in an op-ed for Politico.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Sandlord]

 

[Racey]

Xi and Putin are hoping and praying for a Trump Presidency.

For then the world is theirs.

UK defense secretary says a Russian victory in the Ukraine war would 'signal to China that everything is up for grabs'

"There's no world in which Putin can be allowed to win," the UK defense secretary, Grant Shapps, wrote in an op-ed for Politico.

www.yahoo.com

Has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read.

 

[EmpirE231]

Xi and Putin are hoping and praying for a Trump Presidency.

For then the world is theirs.

UK defense secretary says a Russian victory in the Ukraine war would 'signal to China that everything is up for grabs'

"There's no world in which Putin can be allowed to win," the UK defense secretary, Grant Shapps, wrote in an op-ed for Politico.

www.yahoo.com

because Biden's sharpness is helping keep them at bay currently.... nobody wants to mess w/ his ice cream time.

 

[530RL]

because Biden's sharpness is helping keep them at bay currently.... nobody wants to mess w/ his ice cream time.

Nothing to do with Biden. Has to do with America and whether we want to lead or pull back from leadership as Trump and MAGA have proposed.

My view is not alone on the path forward.

"If Donald Trump wins the presidency this November, democratic solidarity could devolve into transatlantic rancor. And if the US ends up abandoning Ukraine, that country could still go down to a military defeat that would have global consequences, by demonstrating that democracies lack the stamina to prevent expansionist autocracies –- whether Putin’s Russia, Xi’s China, Kim’s North Korea, or Khamenei’s Iran -- from imposing their will on the world."

Ukraine’s Desperate Hour: The World Needs a Russian Defeat

After one year of war, it looked like Putin was going to lead a weakened, humbled nation. Entering year three, he has a chance to break Western solidarity.

www.bloomberg.com

Abandoning Ukraine could be a multitrillion-dollar mistake

Republicans who want to bail on Ukraine are turning a blind eye to the world's dictators. History shows this can be a disastrous mistake.

www.yahoo.com

 

[regor]

Nothing to do with Biden. Has to do with America and whether we want to lead or pull back from leadership as Trump and MAGA have proposed.

My view is not alone on the path forward.

"If Donald Trump wins the presidency this November, democratic solidarity could devolve into transatlantic rancor. And if the US ends up abandoning Ukraine, that country could still go down to a military defeat that would have global consequences, by demonstrating that democracies lack the stamina to prevent expansionist autocracies –- whether Putin’s Russia, Xi’s China, Kim’s North Korea, or Khamenei’s Iran -- from imposing their will on the world."

Ukraine’s Desperate Hour: The World Needs a Russian Defeat

After one year of war, it looked like Putin was going to lead a weakened, humbled nation. Entering year three, he has a chance to break Western solidarity.

www.bloomberg.com

Abandoning Ukraine could be a multitrillion-dollar mistake

Republicans who want to bail on Ukraine are turning a blind eye to the world's dictators. History shows this can be a disastrous mistake.

www.yahoo.com

BULLSHIT clown, we just don't need to be a warmongering nation. NOTHING to do with pulling back and everything to do with leading by example.


Lying RINO fuck.......................

 

[EmpirE231]

Nothing to do with Biden. Has to do with America and whether we want to lead or pull back from leadership as Trump and MAGA have proposed.

My view is not alone on the path forward.

"If Donald Trump wins the presidency this November, democratic solidarity could devolve into transatlantic rancor. And if the US ends up abandoning Ukraine, that country could still go down to a military defeat that would have global consequences, by demonstrating that democracies lack the stamina to prevent expansionist autocracies –- whether Putin’s Russia, Xi’s China, Kim’s North Korea, or Khamenei’s Iran -- from imposing their will on the world."

Ukraine’s Desperate Hour: The World Needs a Russian Defeat

After one year of war, it looked like Putin was going to lead a weakened, humbled nation. Entering year three, he has a chance to break Western solidarity.

www.bloomberg.com

Abandoning Ukraine could be a multitrillion-dollar mistake

Republicans who want to bail on Ukraine are turning a blind eye to the world's dictators. History shows this can be a disastrous mistake.

www.yahoo.com

so war with Russia is what you prefer? This will help democracy?