Russia and Ukraine

[regor]

So forward think to spend the last 20-30 years antagonizing Russia instead of trying to built a foundation of unity and cooperation with a culture that has far more in common with western values and culture than fundamentalist muslims or communist chinese.

And now Russia has decided it's better for them to allie with either of these diametrically opposed cultures against the US.

Brilliant foreign policy.

 

[monkeyswrench]

So forward think to spend the last 20-30 years antagonizing Russia instead of trying to built a foundation of unity and cooperation with a culture that has far more in common with western values and culture than fundamentalist muslims or communist chinese.

And now Russia has decided it's better for them to allie with either of these diametrically opposed cultures against the US.

Brilliant foreign policy.

Sad, but very true. I posted it many pages back, you'd find it much easier to find a person my age, in their 40's, that is more against the Islamic actions, than one who is anti-Russia. Communism isn't what killed or wounded my friends, man-dress wearing guys in the desert did.

The old guard, the ones pulling the strings, want to reignite the cold war, no matter the cost. Even a "hot" war means higher profits.

 

[Racey]

Sad, but very true. I posted it many pages back, you'd find it much easier to find a person my age, in their 40's, that is more against the Islamic actions, than one who is anti-Russia. Communism isn't what killed or wounded my friends, man-dress wearing guys in the desert did.

The old guard, the ones pulling the strings, want to reignite the cold war, no matter the cost. Even a "hot" war means higher profits.

That and communism died in Russia back when Yelstin's government took over in the 90s

 

[rmarion]

most are waking up realizing War = $$$$

only reason for WAR = $$$$

I always thought it was about saving lives, doing the right thing...

nope about $$$$$

I don't want our American boys Blood shed over the ELITES $$$$$

FUCK EM

if it wasn't about $$$$$

America and UN countries would of been in Africa during atrocities...

FUCK UN!!!

 

[rmarion]

Do y’all remember that one time, when the Western world was propagandized and brainwashed to support the only military on the planet with actual nazis in it?

Then it turned out to be a massive money laundering scheme?

Now you all want to trust the US government about Israel?


another cut/paste..

someone else see's thru the BULL SHIT!!

 

[SNiC Jet]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721335207150616628

 

[sprintcvx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721335207150616628

It sure seem like they have bunch of those Merc G-wagons in Ukraine.

In other news.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721527962564984931

 

[HotRod82]

So now the US and NATO are telling Zelenskyy he needs to negotiate a settlement, and hope Putin will be happy with only 20% of Ukraine. WAFJ.
Anyone with half a brain knew this is where we were headed from the start. Western weapons were never going to be enough to defeat Russia on their home turf.

 

[Racey]

So now the US and NATO are telling Zelenskyy he needs to negotiate a settlement, and hope Putin will be happy with only 20% of Ukraine. WAFJ.
Anyone with half a brain knew this is where we were headed from the start. Western weapons were never going to be enough to defeat Russia on their home turf.

Especially since the regions Russia entered were bulk pro Russian, anti Kiev/Zelensky, so Russia didn't have to fight an insurgency in any of those territories. In many ways they were welcomed by the locals who had been terrorized by the kiev government since the coup in 2014

 

[regor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721714007000674795

 

[Sandlord]

Nothing says we’re a democracy like canceling the election.

Zelensky: 'Absolutely Irresponsible' to Suggest Holding Elections in Ukraine

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said discussions about the 2024 presidential election in his country were "absolutely irresponsible."

www.breitbart.com

 

[regor]

Nothing says we’re a democracy like canceling the election.

Zelensky: 'Absolutely Irresponsible' to Suggest Holding Elections in Ukraine

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said discussions about the 2024 presidential election in his country were "absolutely irresponsible."

www.breitbart.com

 

[monkeyswrench]

Who do we have here? Oh, Soros Jr meeting with the Ukrainian "Office of the President". He has officially been given the appointment for the head of "Open Societies Foundation" in Ukraine.
No agenda at all...

 

[JDKRXW]

Especially since the regions Russia entered were bulk pro Russian, anti Kiev/Zelensky, so Russia didn't have to fight an insurgency in any of those territories. In many ways they were welcomed by the locals who had been terrorized by the kiev government since the coup in 2014

And Zelenskyy could have kept all these pro Russian areas if he accepted Putin's offer before the fighting started;
'Don't entertain joining NATO and we Russians will stay out of your business'.

 

[SNiC Jet]

And Zelenskyy could have kept all these pro Russian areas if he accepted Putin's offer before the fighting started;
'Don't entertain joining NATO and we Russians will stay out of your business'.

This entire event has been nothing other than a staged money laundering sham from day one. To be honest, this troubles me deeply....we are living in a world controlled by pure evil. I pray for God's providence.

 

[SNiC Jet]

As in the past, God's providence was delivered via the hands of true patriots. All I can do is pray, keep the faith, and do my part......
God Bless each of you who share the mission to presurve our freedom.

BTW @RiverDave , this is one reason we need this "dumpster" of a forum. Thank you!

 

[was thatguy]

 

[spectras only]

Have this info off of a European source, using translate..

Zaluzhnyi's statement, his deputy killed under mysterious circumstances. Which indicates that the infighting between the Zelenskyi regime and the Ukrainian General Staff has begun. The moment may come when powerful military leaders are content to have an actor who does not understand war and warfare conduct them, and send their men to certain death. There is an increasingly realistic chance that the army will replace the Ukrainian president in a coup.

More from EU,

EU’s €20-billion plan for Ukraine military aid hits resistance​

EU's €20-billion plan for Ukraine military aid hits resistance

A European Union plan to spend up to €20 billion on military aid for Ukraine is meeting resistance from EU countries and may not survive in its current form, diplomats say.

www.euractiv.com

 

[rmarion]

 

[TPC]

Now that Ukraine has put those that investigated Bidens graft on trial, I have no sympathy for Ukraine.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Now that Ukraine has put those that investigated Bidens graft on trial, I have no sympathy for Ukraine.

I wonder why though? It seems like just to please Biden, but it was pretty much out of the public eye. They only seem to do as instructed. Would Joe have them do it out of spite, and open an old wound? Just weird,as all eyes are now on Israel.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Mainstream Media Forced To Admit That Putin Won

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www.bitchute.com

 

[Racey]

 

[Wedgy]

"We got a new war now..."

 

[t&y]

Interesting turn of events. Haven't heard much about any type of draw down or Ukraine related news lately. All about Hamas and Israel. Makes me think some big pieces are moving between the Russia Ukraine battle right now.

 

[4Waters]

Interesting turn of events. Haven't heard much about any type of draw down or Ukraine related news lately. All about Hamas and Israel. Makes me think some big pieces are moving between the Russia Ukraine battle right now.

Yup, look over there

 

[monkeyswrench]

From what I've been seeing, not a whole lot of big moves by either side in Ukraine. The Russians lob drones into western and northern Ukraine every other night, and in return, some drones or missiles are fired into Russian territory. The ground movements seem to be pretty stagnant. Most lines haven't changed much. Not hearing much, if anything, about Ukraine air support. They have been using some larger drones and longer range missiles to strike at Crimea.

 

[t&y]

From what I've been seeing, not a whole lot of big moves by either side in Ukraine. The Russians lob drones into western and northern Ukraine every other night, and in return, some drones or missiles are fired into Russian territory. The ground movements seem to be pretty stagnant. Most lines haven't changed much. Not hearing much, if anything, about Ukraine air support. They have been using some larger drones and longer range missiles to strike at Crimea.

I was thinking more along the lines of corrupt politicians working to hide their shit while everyone pays attention to Israel. It appears to me our political leaders reactions to much of this was far more about trying to hide or get rid of our nations dirty little secrets than it ever was protecting Ukraine. But what do I know????

 

[Wedgy]

The U.S. was told what would happen if they provoked Russia with NATO expansion to Russia's border in a memo to the administration in 2008, by William Burns, current head of the CIA. Then Donkey brains Kamela went on over there and opened her cock gobbling mouth, and here TF we are. Trillions$ wasted for not a motherfucking thing but debt by the Feckless Cunts in DC. Who all need burned at the stake. Every single one of the traitorous bastards that stole 2020. Fuck the 2024 election. Retribution Solution. Kill them all. Put President Trump into his rightful office. Round up every single traitorous Cunt Bitch and Bastard. Burn Hang Firing Squad. Restore America to Jan 6 2021. Make America not suck again.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I was thinking more along the lines of corrupt politicians working to hide their shit while everyone pays attention to Israel. It appears to me our political leaders reactions to much of this was far more about trying to hide or get rid of our nations dirty little secrets than it ever was protecting Ukraine. But what do I know????

Sadly, Ukraine was a laundromat before the Russia deal. Obama and maybe before, were hiding biolabs and then they stoked the fire in 2014. They couldn't have a pro-Russia person in office there, so out he went.

They didn't care how many people were hurt in doing so. War is a perfect way to throw billions away with no recourse. When the people are behind it, the money goes freely. Suddenly, when the cheerleaders leave, they need a new game to play...like giving money to hodji, and then they attack Israel, using weapons we left in Afghanistan, or maybe sent to Ukraine.

 

[regor]

The last three posts sum it up and meanwhile up north, Castro’s faggot offspring is blaming us for their defeat.

Justin Trudeau blames 'MAGA' for turning Canadians against Ukraine

On Tuesday, Conservative lawmakers in the country blocked updated legislation for the free trade agreement between Canada and Ukraine with Trudeau blaming MAGA thinking for it.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Now that Ukraine has put those that investigated Bidens graft on trial, I have no sympathy for Ukraine.

Welcome to the Resistance.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Now that Ukraine has put those that investigated Bidens graft on trial, I have no sympathy for Ukraine.

Welcome to the Resistance.

Just to be clear, anyone who awakens from grand illusion I am sincerely grateful to have on the path. We all need to be together for what comes.

 

[regor]

 

[monkeyswrench]

Read a rumor that the US has brokered a deal for 21 Leopard tanks to trade to Ukraine for 7 of the American Abrams.

Russian spin is they're too heavy for the winter operations there. General response from "un-named" DOD people is the tanks are fine, the operators are the problem, and that will cause losses to good equipment.

My personal opinion is more in line with the later. Yes, an Abrams is a heavy pig, but with American operators I've seen videos of them doing some serious mud bogging.

Where those tanks will go will be something to keep an eye on.

 

[regor]

GENERAL TO GENERAL

A potential peace is being negotiated in Ukraine by military leaders

seymourhersh.substack.com

It’s been a rough couple of months for President Joe Biden and his feckless foreign policy team. Israel is going its own way in its war against Hamas, with renewed bombing in Gaza, and the American public is bitterly divided, all of which is reflected in polls that continue to be unfavorable to the White House.

Meanwhile, the president and his foreign policy aides have also been left on the outside as serious peace talks between Russia and Ukraine have rapidly gained momentum.

“Everyone in Europe is talking about this”—the peace talks—an American businessman who spent years dealing with high-level Ukrainian diplomatic and military issues in the government told me earlier this week. “But there are lots of questions between a ceasefire and a settlement.” The veteran journalist Anataol Lieven wrote this week that the battlefield situation in Ukraine and thus “a ceasefire and negotiations for a peace settlement are becoming more and more necessary for Ukraine.” He said that it was “exceptionally difficult” for the Ukrainian government headed by Volodymyr Zelensky to agree to talks, given its repeated refusal to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

[spectras only]

Ukranian people want peacetalk now, they're tired of Zelensky. Last 6 months, Ukraine lost 150+ men in the conflict. Zelensky set drafting 18 to 60. I guess that didn't go well with people who are into their 40's 50's,

 

[Racey]

Ukranian people want peacetalk now, they're tired of Zelensky. Last 6 months, Ukraine lost 150+ men in the conflict. Zelensky set drafting 18 to 60. I guess that didn't go well with people who are into their 40's 50's,

Could have had the peace talk a year ago, but since "the adults were in charge" here in the US they sent another several thousand men to their deaths and gained nothing for it.

 

[530RL]

Could have had the peace talk a year ago, but since "the adults were in charge" here in the US they sent another several thousand men to their deaths and gained nothing for it.

The west gained the continued deterioration of the Russian army and economy all the while sending a clear message to China that the west will not stand idly by if they choose to invade Taiwan.

All worthwhile objectives which are in the absolute best interest of American national security.

 

[Racey]

The west gained the continued deterioration of the Russian army and economy all the while sending a clear message to China that the west will not stand idly by if they choose to invade Taiwan.

All worthwhile objectives which are in the absolute best interest of American national security.

Lol, you are a fool.

 

[JDKRXW]

..... and gained nothing for it.

Nope, not correct.
The past year has seen a massive amount of money poured into the military supply complex (and don't forget the 'commissions' that go along with it).

 

[monkeyswrench]

Russia may have expended a bunch of ammunition and money, no doubt. So did we. There is something they gained though. Real world testing of armaments. They've adapted some previous weapons to be more useful for the current war. They've now played with many types of mass produced drones and varied guidance or direction. The hypersonic missiles have also been tested with multiple guidance systems and from various platforms. The KA-52 assault helicopter has now been tested in combat as well. Russia really hasn't had a major operation like this in a long time.

Just as the American war machine was excited over the testing of newer products in the middle east, their Russian counterparts will do the same.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The west gained the continued deterioration of the Russian army and economy all the while sending a clear message to China that the west will not stand idly by if they choose to invade Taiwan.

All worthwhile objectives which are in the absolute best interest of American national security.

You are out of your mind.

Yea Russia is the big loser here, they gained a land bridge to the Black Sea which is what they wanted to begin with.

 

[was thatguy]

The west gained the continued deterioration of the Russian army and economy all the while sending a clear message to China that the west will not stand idly by if they choose to invade Taiwan.

All worthwhile objectives which are in the absolute best interest of American national security.

Before or after Hunter collected his check from China?
Dumbass.

 

[530RL]

You are out of your mind.

Yea Russia is the big loser here, they gained a land bridge to the Black Sea which is what they wanted to begin with.

LOL

A land bridge to the Black Sea?

Russia has had shoreline of over 300KM from the Kerch Strait to Sochi and major ports on the Black Sea including Tuapse and Novorossiysk since they took over the Caucasus in the 1800’s. In addition they have had control of the Sea of Azov for centuries.

Most objective individuals can understand that Russia had plenty of access and control of the Black Sea as well as the Sea of Azov prior to its invasion of Ukraine in 2014 and their goals were far beyond just taking Crimea for greater access to the Black Sea which they had already invaded and took in 2014. If all they wanted was a land bridge to the Black Sea, they would have never rolled the tanks and taken Crimea in 2014 or rolled them towards Kiev in 2022 in an attempt to wipe out the Ukranian population and culture as they already had access and major ports on both the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

LOL

A land bridge to the Black Sea?

Russia has had shoreline of over 300KM from the Kerch Strait to Sochi and major ports on the Black Sea including Tuapse and Novorossiysk since they took over the Caucasus in the 1800’s. In addition they have had control of the Sea of Azov for centuries.

Most objective individuals can understand that Russia had plenty of access and control of the Black Sea as well as the Sea of Azov prior to its invasion of Ukraine in 2014 and their goals were far beyond just taking Crimea for greater access to the Black Sea which they had already invaded and took in 2014. If all they wanted was a land bridge to the Black Sea, they would have never rolled the tanks and taken Crimea in 2014 or rolled them towards Kiev in 2022 in an attempt to wipe out the Ukranian population and culture as they already had access and major ports on both the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.

Most rational individuals who are not clouded by the Leftist Death Cult can see they took the lands to connect their controlled territories and to tactically protect themselves and their controlled areas from future incursion.

They are killing Ukrainians at a rate of 10 to 1.

Any objective person can see the Russians got exactly what they wanted.

What part of “NATO will not move 1 inch to the east” was not clear to you? These are the people you support that got us to this position.

Funny how none of this talk of wars happened under Trump.

 

[530RL]

Most rational individuals who are not clouded by the Leftist Death Cult can see they took the lands to connect their controlled territories and to tactically protect themselves and their controlled areas from future incursion.

They are killing Ukrainians at a rate of 10 to 1.

Any objective person can see the Russians got exactly what they wanted.

What part of “NATO will not move 1 inch to the east” was not clear to you? These are the people you support that got us to this position.

Funny how none of this talk of wars happened under Trump.

Maybe you can explain to me how invading Kiev, 720 KM away from where Russia “only wanted their land bridge” is tactically protecting Crimea and/or Kerch.

And while you are at it, how about an explanation of your statement that if Russia “only invaded for a land bridge” in 2022, why is it that they had opened that land bridge in 2018?

And one last sticking point, wasn’t Ukraine in a war with Russia in the East during the last administration, and wasn’t he impeached over this exact topic and geography?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Maybe you can explain to me how invading Kiev, 720 KM away from where Russia “only wanted their land bridge” is tactically protecting Crimea and/or Kerch.

And while you are at it, how about an explanation of your statement that if Russia “only invaded for a land bridge” in 2022, why is it that they had opened that land bridge in 2018?

And one last sticking point, wasn’t Ukraine in a war with Russia in the East during the last administration, and wasn’t he impeached over this exact topic and geography?

Explain to me what “Not one inch to the East” means first.

Then we can talk about the 30 years of tensions and escalations that resulted in conflicts causing millions of deaths in total that didn’t need to happen.

The last administration was a Russian asset, remember? How could a Russian asset be at war with Russia?

 

[530RL]

Explain to me what “Not one inch to the East” means first.

Then we can talk about the 30 years of tensions and escalations that resulted in conflicts causing millions of deaths in total that didn’t need to happen.

The last administration was a Russian asset, remember? How could a Russian asset be at war with Russia?

Now I understand.

You think the US is at war with Russia right now and were not at war with Russia under the last administration. Even though Russia and Ukraine have been at war since 2014.


That explains your policy views.

 

[Racey]

Maybe you can explain to me how invading Kiev, 720 KM away from where Russia “only wanted their land bridge” is tactically protecting Crimea and/or Kerch.

And while you are at it, how about an explanation of your statement that if Russia “only invaded for a land bridge” in 2022, why is it that they had opened that land bridge in 2018?

And one last sticking point, wasn’t Ukraine in a war with Russia in the East during the last administration, and wasn’t he impeached over this exact topic and geography?

Wow, you are even more ignorant than i thought was possible.

They attacked Kiev to get Ukrainian forces, equipment, and attention off the southern front, this was one of the most classic bait and switch tactics ever used in warfare. It allowed the Russians to galvanize their positions in the Donbas in the south. While Ukrainians focused attention and resources on protecting the Capitol in the North

That bridge in 2018 isn't a land bridge you moron, it's an actual road bridge, you do understand that the distinction between a land bridge and a regular old bridge is MASSIVE right?

Good god.