Russia and Ukraine

[regor]

Catturd nails it......exactly what I've been thinking for sometime now. I honestly think a lot of that money is being stolen by the so called elites....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629175986733416450

They're robbing the Treasury on the way out, it's ALWAYS the last act of a dying regime.

 

[monkeyswrench]

They're robbing the Treasury on the way out, it's ALWAYS the last act of a dying regime.

"Hold on to your hats" thread upstairs only looks at the national numbers, and stock market. Probably the same for most normal folks I'd guess.
I've never been accused of being normal...the global fuckery and international theft is massive. It's all out there for the world to see.
They've even managed to get people on board cheering them on.

 

[Danger Dave]

You guys are dicks.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629251099063652357

 

[monkeyswrench]

You guys are dicks.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629251099063652357

Lately, I haven't been the biggest fan of NATO's decisions. All the NATO people seem to be doing is handing over billions of dollars, of other people's money, with no real accountability needed. Then they hand over massive amounts of armaments (some being sold out the back door) to a mostly untrained force.


The best Zelensky thing that came out today, him saying Ukraine won't deal until it's borders are back to those of 1991...including Crimea.
Sounds like he's ready to bargain. There aren't enough bodies to throw at that deal.

 

[rmarion]

 

[spectras only]

Did you hear the latest from this buffoon? Fucker should sell all his assets and give it to Zelensky, or, blood will be on his hands, lol

Sean Penn urges Biden to send modern fighter jets to Ukraine: 'Blood will be on our hands'​

Sean Penn urges Biden to send modern fighter jets to Ukraine: 'Blood will be on our hands'

Sean Penn urged the U.S. to provide Ukraine modern fighter jets in its war against Russia. He said the "blood will be on our hands" if the U.S. doesn't "faithfully equip" Ukraine.

www.foxnews.com

 

[rmarion]

#5 John McCain, Victoria Nuland, John Kerry, and Joe Biden meeting with Svoboda leader Oleh Tyahnybok.

Why would the U.S. government work with openly antisemitic extremists in Ukraine?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628974635437142019

@KanekoaTheGreat


Just one F.ing Answer!!

""Money Launder""

 

[Danger Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629175986733416450

 

[monkeyswrench]

Woohoo, pro-Ukraine protesters...anyone here in class know the significance of the flags?
BTW, this wasn't in Europe, this was in Ottawa.

 

[500bbc]

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Woohoo, pro-Ukraine protesters...anyone here in class know the significance of the flags?
BTW, this wasn't in Europe, this was in Ottawa.

Left to right:
The Buttigege Royal Order of the Butt Plug
The New Global Nazi Party (look to our current admin for the pedophile kicker)
The new Crusades

What do I win?

 

[Sandlord]

Obama, Biden, Nuland, McCain, Kerry, Brennan, Haines, and even Psaki and many others were involved in 2014 Maiden uprising to overthrow Vicktor Yanukovich because he was siding with Russia when they wanted Western control of Ukraine. They even spent 5 Billion dollars of US taxpayer dollars to finance the cause.
This is why they fight so hard to keep the records private.
and keep their puppet in control.

Now you’ve got Zelenskyy agreeing to meet with China to discuss a path towards peace with Russia,
and the US, NATO, and UN are adamantly against it.
*we worked so hard to get to this point.

Biden, NATO Attack China's Ukraine War Peace Proposals

"Putin is applauding it, so how could it be any good?" U.S. President Joe Biden said of the Chinese peace plan.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Sandlord]

From 2014

 

[Wedgy]

Fuck around. Find out...

 

[Danger Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629581352851865601

 

[Wedgy]

Now, if that woulda been the Good Humor Man...

 

[monkeyswrench]

Old, obviously, but still a pretty interesting picture...

 

[Wedgy]

That's a stark reality there, eh. Now it would seem, poking the Bear. And it' not Smokey.

 

[sprintcvx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629495776928841728

 

[rmarion]

 

[SNiC Jet]

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Why does this ^^^^ not surprise me?

 

[530RL]

Why does this ^^^^ not surprise me?

Why am I not surprised you and others in here completely believe this?

 

[SNiC Jet]

Why am I not surprised you and others in here completely believe this?

Oh how quick we jump to defend the corruption.
Where did I say I believed it? I am not surprised shit like this is generated. The entire Ukraine matter is a betrayal to the American people and is a REAL scam you believe, support and defend.

 

[530RL]

Oh how quick we jump to defend the corruption.
Where did I say I believed it? I am not surprised shit like this is generated. The entire Ukraine matter is a betrayal to the American people and is a REAL scam you believe, support and defend.

Yes, when given the choice between allowing communist Russia to roll through Europe, as Putin has stated he would do; or arm Ukraine in their fight against wholesale war crimes including genocide and rape against civilians and children, I am quite comfortable in what I believe, support and defend. And if Ukraine loses due to the shortsighted views of the MAGA crowd restricting aid, I understand it will be US personnel then defending NATO from further communist aggression and expansion with American boots on the ground.

And I accept you and MAGA are willing to ignore such crimes against humanity as well as support the dismantling of the post war stability throughout Europe and our NATO allies by aligning with and cheering on communist Russia. I am just grateful there are enough “RINO’s” who know that freedom and liberty is worth defending.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Yes, when given the choice between allowing communist Russia to roll through Europe, as Putin has stated he would do; or arm Ukraine in their fight against wholesale war crimes including genocide and rape against civilians and children, I am quite comfortable in what I believe, support and defend. And if Ukraine loses due to the shortsighted views of the MAGA crowd restricting aid, I understand it will be US personnel then defending NATO from further communist aggression and expansion with American boots on the ground.

And I accept you and MAGA are willing to ignore such crimes against humanity as well as support the dismantling of the post war stability throughout Europe and our NATO allies by aligning with and cheering on communist Russia. I am just grateful there are enough “RINO’s” who know that freedom and liberty is worth defending.

Right on Cue and so predictable......"Why am I not surprised you believe this?"

I am quite comfortable in what I believe, support and defend.

As am I......
God
Country
Family
Self
to each his own

 

[spectra3279]

Is not a treaty basically a law? And the treaty between Russia and Ukraine is they will not be a nato country not a law? Ukraine is trying to break that law at our and natos urging. So Ukraine is not upholding their end so why should Russia.

 

[530RL]

Is not a treaty basically a law? And the treaty between Russia and Ukraine is they will not be a nato country not a law? Ukraine is trying to break that law at our and natos urging. So Ukraine is not upholding their end so why should Russia.

Could you please post this treaty where Ukraine signed a binding commitment with Russia not to join NATO?

 

[Sandlord]

Yes, when given the choice between allowing communist Russia to roll through Europe, as Putin has stated he would do; or arm Ukraine in their fight against wholesale war crimes including genocide and rape against civilians and children, I am quite comfortable in what I believe, support and defend. And if Ukraine loses due to the shortsighted views of the MAGA crowd restricting aid, I understand it will be US personnel then defending NATO from further communist aggression and expansion with American boots on the ground.

And I accept you and MAGA are willing to ignore such crimes against humanity as well as support the dismantling of the post war stability throughout Europe and our NATO allies by aligning with and cheering on communist Russia. I am just grateful there are enough “RINO’s” who know that freedom and liberty is worth defending.

Quite the fairy tale.
Isn’t it the West that has been moving NATO further to the east since the 2014 Maiden Coup where they overthrew the Russian backed Ukrainian President?
But just keep on trying to convince a handful of guys on a performance boating message of another one of your conspiracy theories. it sure is entertaining.

 

[530RL]

Right on Cue and so predictable......"Why am I not surprised you believe this?"

Quite the fairy tale.

Yes, I do believe that Russia is committing crimes against humanity and raping, torturing and murdering civilians.

 

[regor]

Yes, I do believe that Russia is committing crimes against humanity and raping, torturing and murdering civilians.




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Come on Kamala, back on yore knees now.

 

[monkeyswrench]

@regor , for the sake of most here's sanity, and ability to sleep, I've refrained from posting pics, videos and such taken by English, French, German and Spanish speaking media sources. Those who stand behind "the poor little ukrainian" army, is no different than those that stand for the slaughter of civilians anywhere.

Donbas has been continually shelled. The city center, parks, malls...all of it. We, being most Americans, want to turn a blind eye to this. The Ukrainian government posted on their own TicToc feed this week drone footage of an artillery strike. In their proud footage, the hit was able to destroy the target. The target was an ambulance arriving to respond to injured civilians from a previous strike. Those proud Ukrainians killed the paramedics...26 and 28 yo females, as well as 2 other civilians...about a dozen hurt.

Back the Nazis...or back the communists. Who is the lesser of two evils?
When China enters the fray, which they will, I think a certain someone is going to have a crisis

 

[Sandlord]

Yes, I do believe that Russia is committing crimes against humanity and raping, torturing and murdering civilians.




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Looks like the work of AZOV

 

[530RL]

@regor , for the sake of most here's sanity, and ability to sleep, I've refrained from posting pics, videos and such taken by English, French, German and Spanish speaking media sources. Those who stand behind "the poor little ukrainian" army, is no different than those that stand for the slaughter of civilians anywhere.

Donbas has been continually shelled. The city center, parks, malls...all of it. We, being most Americans, want to turn a blind eye to this. The Ukrainian government posted on their own TicToc feed this week drone footage of an artillery strike. In their proud footage, the hit was able to destroy the target. The target was an ambulance arriving to respond to injured civilians from a previous strike. Those proud Ukrainians killed the paramedics...26 and 28 yo females, as well as 2 other civilians...about a dozen hurt.

Back the Nazis...or back the communists. Who is the lesser of two evils?
When China enters the fray, which they will, I think a certain someone is going to have a crisis

That certain someone is probably the parents of young Americans having to go off to Europe to defend NATO territory. Because their parents didn’t want to send a little money to Ukraine so it could defend itself.

Appeasement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[monkeyswrench]

That certain someone is probably the parents of young Americans having to go off to Europe to defend NATO territory. Because their parents didn’t want to send a little money to Ukraine so it could defend itself.

Appeasement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

With my net worth, and yours, I'm fairly positive you've sent way more than myself already. Simply transferring money will not stop this war. In just this past year, the American tax payers have spent more in Ukraine than the 20 in Afghanistan.

You speak of appeasement...odd, that the article is pointing out the appeasement towards the Nazi party. Kind of like the giving of money and weapons towards the Nazis in Ukraine? Backing a regime to fight the Russians has not worked out well in the long game.

How many wars have been fought for "democracy" since WWII? How many Americans have died to spread "democracy"? How has that worked out? The joy of capitalism is selling for profit. For some reason, the powers that be have learned selling souls is the biggest winner. Not their own, but those of others.

As a father of two teenage boys, no, I don't want them to fight a war for some idiots' wealth. As a father of a daughter preparing to start an internship at an "alphabet agency", I don't want her involved in this crap either. As a person who's seen the aftermath of violence and bloodshed, I'd really rather no other person be involved.

You sit high on your hill, in your childless castle, and spur on the horsemen. You've probably never heard the cries of a mother at her son's funeral...not from your hill. The flags draped over the caskets of soldiers are a nice gesture, but do nothing to fill the hole left.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Yes, I do believe that Russia is committing crimes against humanity and raping, torturing and murdering civilians.




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Looks pretty much like parts of California and Oregon P-R-I-O-R-I-T-I-E-S.

 

[Sandlord]

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, NATO pushed eastward, bringing into the fold most of the Eastern European nations that had been in the Communist orbit. In 2004, NATO added the former Soviet Baltic republics Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Four years later, it declared its intention to offer membership to Ukraine some day in the distant future – crossing a red line for Russia.

Putin has seen NATO’s expansion as an existential threat, and the prospect of Ukraine joining the Western military alliance a “hostile act” – a view he invoked in a televised speech on Thursday, saying that Ukraine’s aspiration to join the military alliance was a dire threat to Russia.

In interviews and speeches, Putin has previously emphasized his view that Ukraine is part of Russia, culturally, linguistically and politically. While some of the mostly Russian-speaking population in Ukraine’s east feel the same, a more nationalist, Ukrainian-speaking population in the west has historically supported greater integration with Europe.

Doesn’t sound like Russia was pushing West.

U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification

Later it was argued that Bakers comment referred to Germany alone. But he admitted that he led Gorbachev to believe otherwise.

United States and its European allies now face a choice on Ukraine. They can continue their current policy, which will exacer- bate hostilities with Russia and devastate Ukraine in the process—a scenario in which everyone would come out a loser. Or they can switch gears and work to create a prosperous but neutral Ukraine, one that does not threaten Russia and allows the West to repair its relations with Moscow. With that approach, all sides would win.

This comment from 2014 still holds true today.

 

[regor]

That certain someone is probably the parents of young Americans having to go off to Europe to defend NATO territory. Because their parents didn’t want to send a little money to Ukraine so it could defend itself.

Appeasement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

War fucking monger that is just looking for more free cheese that his life was built upon..........................

"Son, we're going to start you on the school board"

 

[spectras only]

Yes, I do believe that Russia is committing crimes against humanity and raping, torturing and murdering civilians.




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I had to reply to your post. You have absolutely no proof who did the killing of these people.
During our 1956 revolution, the soviet army soldiers sent in to crush the uprising, were a mix of
Russians, Ukranians, Chechens, Azerbajanians and other CCCP member states. Cry me a river, Ukranians are no nicer than Russians. During ceasefire, me and my buddy came up from our shelter, and go outside, where we were befriended by a Russian solder who called himself named Bob, stationed near our apartment building. He showed us inside his armored personnel carrier. Through him we found out the ethnicity of soldiers sent to Hungary. Some days later, we came out to see him again and were told he was transferred, because he talked to us. You put too much faith of authenticity of reports by the western media.
I googled some info and found this total bullshit about who were the freedom fighters, that included my air force brother who joined the young and old in October 23.


Google search; Who fought in the Hungarian Uprising?
"Fascist, Hitlerite, reactionary and counter-revolutionary hooligans financed by the imperialist West took advantage of the unrest to stage a counter-revolution. The honest Hungarian people under Nagy appealed to Soviet (Warsaw Pact) forces stationed in Hungary to assist in restoring order.WRONG.
Erno Gerorequested Soviet military intervention and at 2am on 24th October Soviet tanks entered Budapest.

No Imperialist West financed anything, it started with young university students, protesting Erno Gero a known communist puppet.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Because their parents didn’t want to send a little money to Ukraine so it could defend itself.

A little money? OMG! This ^^^^, Coming from the man who has done nothing but criticize excessive/reckless U.S. spending.....that is.....until now?

US leads the rest of the world with $196 billion given to Ukraine amid war with Russia.​

Ukraine....NOT MY FUCKIN PROBLEM! ......
When Putin invades a member of NATO....let's talk.......until then, your craving and war cries based on speculations and Putin's threats have no foundation.

Your priorities, and the peeps you support and stand behind are noted....

​

 

[500bbc]

Yes, I do believe that Russia is committing crimes against humanity and raping, torturing and murdering civilians.




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[brgrcru]

Yes, when given the choice between allowing communist Russia to roll through Europe, as Putin has stated he would do; or arm Ukraine in their fight against wholesale war crimes including genocide and rape against civilians and children, I am quite comfortable in what I believe, support and defend. And if Ukraine loses due to the shortsighted views of the MAGA crowd restricting aid, I understand it will be US personnel then defending NATO from further communist aggression and expansion with American boots on the ground.

And I accept you and MAGA are willing to ignore such crimes against humanity as well as support the dismantling of the post war stability throughout Europe and our NATO allies by aligning with and cheering on communist Russia. I am just grateful there are enough “RINO’s” who know that freedom and liberty is worth defending.

Lmao
what a fool !

 

[SNiC Jet]

I am just grateful there are enough “RINO’s”.............

Nooooooo Shit!

 

[Danger Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1629865140085481472

 

[530RL]

I had to reply to your post. You have absolutely no proof who did the killing of these people.
During our 1956 revolution, the soviet army soldiers sent in to crush the uprising, were a mix of
Russians, Ukranians, Chechens, Azerbajanians and other CCCP member states. Cry me a river, Ukranians are no nicer than Russians. During ceasefire, me and my buddy came up from our shelter, and go outside, where we were befriended by a Russian solder who called himself named Bob, stationed near our apartment building. He showed us inside his armored personnel carrier. Through him we found out the ethnicity of soldiers sent to Hungary. Some days later, we came out to see him again and were told he was transferred, because he talked to us. You put too much faith of authenticity of reports by the western media.
I googled some info and found this total bullshit about who were the freedom fighters, that included my air force brother who joined the young and old in October 23.


Google search; Who fought in the Hungarian Uprising?
"Fascist, Hitlerite, reactionary and counter-revolutionary hooligans financed by the imperialist West took advantage of the unrest to stage a counter-revolution. The honest Hungarian people under Nagy appealed to Soviet (Warsaw Pact) forces stationed in Hungary to assist in restoring order.WRONG.
Erno Gerorequested Soviet military intervention and at 2am on 24th October Soviet tanks entered Budapest.

No Imperialist West financed anything, it started with young university students, protesting Erno Gero a known communist puppet.

It is a fair point that I personally do not have any proof of who did the killing of these people. And even with proof it will not matter as even in America many still believe the holocaust never happened or was exaggerated. I have no personal proof that the holocaust ever happened, but I still believe it did. It is what it is.

Nearly a quarter of young Americans believe the Holocaust didn’t happen or has been exaggerated

Survey shows stunning lack of knowledge among Americans aged 18 to 39, with some believing in conspiracy theories shared on social media

www.independent.co.uk

You lived through this younger in life and so I certainly respect your view that Russia may possibly be the good actor here or right in invading Ukraine starting in 2014. There are many all over the world and even in here who believe Russia invaded Ukraine for the sake of saving humanity and ending Nazism. That like the soldier you met, they are the good actors.

My views come from my time working for the US government in Central America in the 80’s. I had a different experience with communism. But to your point, it was US backed individuals that raped and tortured the four Catholic missionaries in El Salvador. We can always find in war where both sides engage in atrocities.

The question remains for policy makers; which side should one come down on? As the last remaining superpower and the muscle behind NATO, it is pretty hard to stand on the sidelines given the US responsibility under Article 5. And I simply agree with the majority of US and our Western allies policy position that if Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, it only gets worse for the west leading to more bloodshed and loss of US troops on the ground in Poland and other NATO countries. I accept that people disagree with that assessment and they should vote for those that agree with their assessment while I vote for those that agree with mine. That is a luxury we have in America.

So we support the views that we have. And even history will never tell us who was right and who was wrong as it is always written by the victors as you point out above and even then many people will never change their mind, such as we see relating to the holocaust to this day.

At least you and I can disagree civilly.

 

[regor]

My views come from my time working for the US government in Central America in the 80’s. I had a different experience with communism.

Running coke for your boy Bush were we?

 

[530RL]

Running coke for your boy Bush were we?

I was not aware of any drugs used to implement the Reagan Doctrine. But it was good policy that I supported then and support now as outlined in this thread.

I am not surprised you denounce such a policy goal as you have done in this thread.

“We must not break faith with those who are risking their lives ... on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua ... to defy Soviet aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth. Support for freedom fighters is self-defense".

 

[monkeyswrench]

Even the people of Poland are protesting their own governments involvement in Ukraine. They don't seem near as worried about the idea of Putin rolling west.

As stated, history is written by the winners. After WWII, our history books here highlighted our accomplishments, and left out some of our less proud moments. For those that disagree, Dresden is not mentioned by our books here, yet is abroad. The battles on the eastern front were massive. Military historians tend to agree that without Russia's efforts, Europe would have been a much different war. Germany had to split forces to try and attack or control both fronts. Russia also lost more than twice the soldiers as the American force did...but they never mention that in our school books.

Russia may be evil, but to think Ukraine, or even ourselves, are saints, is not being truthful.

 

[regor]

I was not aware of any drugs used to implement the Reagan Doctrine. But it was good policy that I supported then and support now as outlined in this thread.

I am not surprised you denounce such a policy goal as you have done in this thread.

“We must not break faith with those who are risking their lives ... on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua ... to defy Soviet aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth. Support for freedom fighters is self-defense".

Crack epidemic ring a bell?

 

[530RL]

Crack epidemic ring a bell?

It’s the governments fault that people become drug addicts? What about personal responsibility?

Your true liberal beliefs become more evident with each post.

 

[530RL]

Even the people of Poland are protesting their own governments involvement in Ukraine. They don't seem near as worried about the idea of Putin rolling west.

As stated, history is written by the winners. After WWII, our history books here highlighted our accomplishments, and left out some of our less proud moments. For those that disagree, Dresden is not mentioned by our books here, yet is abroad. The battles on the eastern front were massive. Military historians tend to agree that without Russia's efforts, Europe would have been a much different war. Germany had to split forces to try and attack or control both fronts. Russia also lost more than twice the soldiers as the American force did...but they never mention that in our school books.

Russia may be evil, but to think Ukraine, or even ourselves, are saints, is not being truthful.

If you were Ukrainian would you surrender to Russia and bow to Putin, or would you fight to defend your country, your homeland and your home which they are destroying?

I suspect both you and I know the answer.

 

[regor]

It’s the governments fault that people become drug addicts? What about personal responsibility?

Your true liberal beliefs become more evident with each post.

Yore hero’s Ronnie & George were running coke to pay for their war.

“I’m a Reagan drug runner errrr money washer errrrr CONservative!!”