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How long before some kid hacks missile guidance systems ? I can see the news report already . " One of our missiles apparently wrote fuck you in the sky and then exploded Has all the earmarks of a Russian operation "
I'm sure they're working on it as I type. I must admit, not that I know shit about hacking, but commandeering a drone would be damned entertaining, right up until they found you, blew your house up and shot you and your family. :eek:
 

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Some emergency meeting at NATO today...more weapons to Ukraine of course. Most countries are complaining that more ordinance is being used than can be made. Something like 1500 shells alone, each day.
Of course, the US says "we'll train their soldiers so they use less"

It's a war. I don't care what side, if there's incoming fire, there will be outgoing rounds as well. It seems a war of attrition more than a war of strategy.

Last check, earlier today, Russian forces had taken control of the last road out of Bahkmut. Lots of Ukraine troops still in what's left of the city, and being closed in on three fronts. They should have retreated and regrouped...but Zelensky keeps saying he won't give up the city.
 

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Some emergency meeting at NATO today...more weapons to Ukraine of course. Most countries are complaining that more ordinance is being used than can be made. Something like 1500 shells alone, each day.
Of course, the US says "we'll train their soldiers so they use less"

It's a war. I don't care what side, if there's incoming fire, there will be outgoing rounds as well. It seems a war of attrition more than a war of strategy.

Last check, earlier today, Russian forces had taken control of the last road out of Bahkmut. Lots of Ukraine troops still in what's left of the city, and being closed in on three fronts. They should have retreated and regrouped...but Zelensky keeps saying he won't give up the city.

Russia wins wars of attrition. It’s pretty much what they do. They suck the first year and then throw bodies at the problems.
 

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Russia wins wars of attrition. It’s pretty much what they do. They suck the first year and then throw bodies at the problems.
This one seems to be different...maybe due to the faith placed behind the AZOV Battalion. Both sides are throwing bodies, that's war. The problem I see, Ukraine has running out of soldiers, and shoving random fodder to the front.
 

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This one seems to be different...maybe due to the faith placed behind the AZOV Battalion. Both sides are throwing bodies, that's war. The problem I see, Ukraine has running out of soldiers, and shoving random fodder to the front.

Russia has more bodies.. until we move the goalposts again and send in our own troops. That is a legitimate concern at this point considering a year ago we were going to do “nothing”.
 

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This one seems to be different...maybe due to the faith placed behind the AZOV Battalion. Both sides are throwing bodies, that's war. The problem I see, Ukraine has running out of soldiers, and shoving random fodder to the front.
You'd think at some point, young Russians are going to start politically pushing back against being recruited and knowingly serving to die.
Often the initial zeal fades as wars get drawn out and deaths mount.
I suspect even in a news restricted country such as Russia, it's become obvious to those being called up, they're vulnerable, regardless of how emboldened they've been conditioned to believe.
 

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You'd think at some point, young Russians are going to start politically pushing back against being recruited and knowingly serving to die.
Often the initial zeal fades as wars get drawn out and deaths mount.
I suspect even in a news restricted country such as Russia, it's become obvious to those being called up, they're vulnerable, regardless of how emboldened they've been conditioned to believe.
Not before it happens in Ukraine.
 

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Not before it happens in Ukraine.
Discounting the number of available bodies for each side, I'd think the psychological advantage of defending one's own country would tend to aide ones ability to recruit. In that regard, I think the Ukraine's problem is obviously not having as many to keep throwing at it and filling body bags.
 

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Discounting the number of available bodies for each side, I'd think the psychological advantage of defending one's own country would tend to aide ones ability to recruit. In that regard, I think the Ukraine's problem is obviously not having as many to keep throwing at it and filling body bags.



Ukraine is Putin's Afghanistan.

The Ukrainian's only have two choices, become slaves to the communists or die fighting.

Like the people of Afghanistan, they will never completely give up Ukraine making it a never ending quagmire for Putin and his communist sympathizers/supporters here in America and around the world.
 

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Discounting the number of available bodies for each side, I'd think the psychological advantage of defending one's own country would tend to aide ones ability to recruit. In that regard, I think the Ukraine's problem is obviously not having as many to keep throwing at it and filling body bags.
The Ukrainian government is already forcing men into service. And their border guard is not allowing men to leave ( which they are trying in drove ). Just remember, many Ukrainians are not supportive of this war or their”elected” government. I believe that Ukraine will falter without NATO intervention ( boots on the ground).
 
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After the start of the full-scale Russian invasion on Feb. 24, martial law was imposed in Ukraine and mobilization was announced. Those who have experience of military service or military training in peacetime are now being called up. Men between the ages of 18 and 60 are prohibited from leaving the country, with a few exceptions.
 

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Ukraine is Putin's Afghanistan.

The Ukrainian's only have two choices, become slaves to the communists or die fighting.

Like the people of Afghanistan, they will never completely give up Ukraine making it a never ending quagmire for Putin and his communist sympathizers/supporters here in America and around the world.
Ukraine is more Nazi than Russia is communist.
Do a search on these 2 terms;
Is Russia Communist?
Is Ukraine Nazi?
 

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The Ukrainian government is already forcing men into service. And their border guard is not allowing men to leave ( which they are trying in drove ). Just remember, many Ukrainians are not supportive of this war or their”elected” government. I believe the Ukraine will falter without NATO intervention ( boots on the ground).
I suppose the question that I find troubling when I answer it honestly, is how many of America's youth would be ready and willing to defend this our own country if called upon ?
 

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I suppose the question that I find troubling when I answer it honestly, is how many of America's youth would be ready and willing to defend this our own country if called upon ?
Currently about 1.4 million, without being asked.
Much more when asked
 

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Ukraine is more Nazi than Russia is communist.
Do a search on these 2 terms;
Is Russia Communist?
Is Ukraine Nazi?
Quality of life for the people and how much influence these citizens have in the decisions that get made in that regard is far more important that any labels.
Having no intimate knowledge of living in either country, I'm not qualified to comment on how either ranks in that regard.
 

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Currently about 1.4 million, without being asked.
Much more when asked
I wasn't referring to active military, many if not most of whom joined to get benefits not fight a war.
But aside from that, I was referring to being drafted, inducted, called away from their normal lives of staring at their Iphones, the young John Does, I see wandering aimlessly around the shopping malls, 20 years old and still living at home --- those American youth.
Does that youth, have the stomach or pride to step up when called up ?
 

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I wasn't referring to active military, many if not most of whom joined to get benefits not fight a war.
But aside from that, I was referring to being drafted, inducted, called away from their normal lives of staring at their Iphones, the young John Does, I see wandering aimlessly around the shopping malls, 20 years old and still living at home --- those American youth.
Does that youth, have the stomach or pride to step up when called up ?
The Republican kids do,
The liberal kids, not so much.
(Coming from someone who worked on Base for 30 years or so.)
 

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Ukraine is more Nazi than Russia is communist.
Do a search on these 2 terms;
Is Russia Communist?
Is Ukraine Nazi?
Russia has certainly been successful at selling that narrative to certain segments of the American population.

Fortunately bi-partisan legislative leadership in the US as well as leadership around the western world has not bitten on that as they work as a United coalition to help Ukraine and its people defend themselves from unprovoked and illegal invasion and war crimes.
 

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Russia has certainly been successful at selling that narrative to certain segments of the American population.

Fortunately bi-partisan legislative leadership in the US as well as leadership around the western world has not bitten on that as they work as a United coalition to help Ukraine and its people defend themselves from unprovoked and illegal invasion and war crimes.
Breaking a treaty has its consequences
 

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Russia has certainly been successful at selling that narrative to certain segments of the American population.

Fortunately bi-partisan legislative leadership in the US as well as leadership around the western world has not bitten on that as they work as a United coalition to help Ukraine and its people defend themselves from unprovoked and illegal invasion and war crimes.

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The Republican kids do,
The liberal kids, not so much.
(Coming from someone who worked on Base for 30 years or so.)
I certainly can hope Republican kids, but I've only got my grandkids as a more up close and personal example. My own son and daughter + their spouses, are more smitten with Trump than I am. My two grand sons would be worthless to send into combat, but sit them down in front of a computer or a drone stick and they could do just fine.
My two grand daughters, one in AZ in college, the other high school, it's anybody's guess at this time but I tend to think they're leaning more left, than right. 😔
 

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"Unprovoked"...as in 8 years of shelling civilian homes and infrastructure...
"Unprovoked"...as in making it a crime to speak your native language...
"Unprovoked"...as in imprisoning those of different political views...


"Conscription" notices are being handed out to boys as young as 16. All males, regardless of previous military experience are being taken to serve. As such, so are those as old as 60. Letters have gone out to male refugees, asking that they fill out and return a form, update their status so to speak. Only the males.

As for defending Ukraine, why? To what end? They were involved in a civil war since 2014...at least that's when the bullets started. Some say it's to "defend democracy" and "stop communism". These territories were communist within my lifetime. Are people dying because some are too proud to hand back what they "won"? Is the war just to break down Putin? Is it all about money laundering?

We can step out, and start WWIII. Looking like that may happen. When American lives are lost there, who comes to our aid, should someone come knocking?
 

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"Unprovoked"...as in 8 years of shelling civilian homes and infrastructure...
"Unprovoked"...as in making it a crime to speak your native language...
"Unprovoked"...as in imprisoning those of different political views...


"Conscription" notices are being handed out to boys as young as 16. All males, regardless of previous military experience are being taken to serve. As such, so are those as old as 60. Letters have gone out to male refugees, asking that they fill out and return a form, update their status so to speak. Only the males.

As for defending Ukraine, why? To what end? They were involved in a civil war since 2014...at least that's when the bullets started. Some say it's to "defend democracy" and "stop communism". These territories were communist within my lifetime. Are people dying because some are too proud to hand back what they "won"? Is the war just to break down Putin? Is it all about money laundering?

We can step out, and start WWIII. Looking like that may happen. When American lives are lost there, who comes to our aid, should someone come knocking?

He's a corrupt globalist hedge fund clown who has no kids to send, just like every other POS accelerating this war.

How many of these Western faggot's that are fueling this conflict will send their children to fight? That's right...................................ZERO!!!!
 

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He's a corrupt globalist hedge fund clown who has no kids to send, just like every other POS accelerating this war.

How many of these Western faggot's that are fueling this conflict will send their children to fight? That's right...................................ZERO!!!!
Saw a vid posted by a Ukrainian soldier. He claimed their government was like "Robin Hood", they steal conscription notices from the rich, and give them to the poor.

Our president's own son is a known and admitted drug user. (Went to rehab at least once in Prescott Az:oops:) That same son is going to court to keep his birth daughter from using his name. Family values and protection of family members seem to be furthest from the minds of leadership.
 

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It's just like a newspaper printing a correction on page 6, three days after a massive headline. Most people are to busy of lazy to take notice. If I didn't know people on that side of the world, I wouldn't have known much different last year.
 

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Shouldn't you be paying attention to balloons right now?
Funny you should say that...
Two nights ago the official Ukraine/Kiev Twitter account posted "balloons over Kiev". "Air defense system at work" as well. People were commenting and joking that Zelensky was trying to stay in the news...

Yesterday, sure as shit, balloons were found all over the place on the ground. Most looked like they were carrying foil wrapped plywood panels, in a cube kind of setup.

Russia said yes they were theirs, and did what was intended, decoys for missile defense system to track.

Who'd have thought, 2023 and balloons dominate the news...
 

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She’s right, the EU isn’t saying a word.......😆
Someone is accusing Joe of an act of war.

Implications of US Destruction of Nordstream 2 Pipeline
The stunning recent and detailed reportage of direct American sabotage of the Nordstream 2 gas pipeline represents a major geostrategic watershed in two senses:
First, the implications of Washington’s act of war with disastrous economic impact upon Europe will not subside easily. But more importantly this event has demonstrated America’s successful cowing of any public commentary on the event — across U.S. media but more so across all European media itself, including in the most economically victimized state —Germany. We observe stunning, nearly inexplicable silence over this major international event.

And Russia has gotten the message — American policies and statements have deeply reinforced Russia’s long-standing belief that the West is implacably hostile to any Russian role in the West — going back to the bitter and irrevocable split of Christendom between Rome and the Eastern Orthodox Church in 1054. That was later followed up by two devastating European invasions of Russia (Napoleon and Hitler).

Growing European trade ties — especially Germany — with Russia since the end of the Cold War have been thrown on the trash heap by NATO expansion east. The hostility of East-West relations has been reinforced and deepened.
Washington has no desire to work out a new common-European security policy that includes Russian interests as well. And these U.S. policies have helped ensure that Russia’s future now firmly lies in the East–Vladivostok and with China in a shared rejection of U.S. global hegemony.
The rise of a new Great Wall that blocks off Russia from Western Europe is one of the most striking outcomes of this war: European officialdom seems to have cast in its lot, perhaps reluctantly but irrevocably, with the American strategic goals in the world.
Those goals now even speak of creating a new “NATO Pacific” designed to challenge Chinese power economically and strategically in China’s own backyard — at great potential economic cost to Europe.
But for all this demonstration of Washington’s hold over Europe, it is also striking to note how the great majority of the world has indeed not gone along with U.S. strategic ambitions to weaken and humble Russia or to impose Washington’s own geopolitical architecture on most of the rest of the world.
Broadly speaking Latin America, the Middle East and Africa do not perceive their strategic interests as aligning with Washington’s. Apart from some lip service criticism of Russia, few states including large segments of Asia and India itself have imposed any meaningful sanctions against Russia.
More vividly, we see the emergence of new non-Western alliances such as the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) with many other major states lining up to include Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia. These states of the Global South are also developing plans for new international reserve currency designed to undercut the ability of Washington to dictate international policy through U.S. dollar-based sanctions.



https://consortiumnews.com/2023/02/16/implications-of-us-destruction-of-nordstream-2-pipeline/

https://grahamefuller.com/long-term-implications-of-the-us-destruction-of-nordstream-2-pipeline/
 

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Hersch: Betting on Ukraine Victory was suicidal

"The US and its allies should have attempted to reach an agreement with Moscow as their belief that Ukraine can win a conflict against Russia is “suicidal,” iconic American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has argued.

Speaking in a YouTube interview with the Consortium News outlet on Friday, Hersh accused the Biden administration of making “so many bad mistakes,” adding that “it’s impossible to believe just how dumb this leadership was.”

“It was suicidal to think you can win that war, that Ukraine can win the war [against Russia]. There’s just too much corruption. That was a very, very bad decision. We should have been pushing for peace, we should have made an agreement,” the former Pulitzer Prize winner insisted.

US President Joe Biden basically “blew off NATO in Europe” by telling allies that he is backing Ukraine with its “totally corrupt government,” Hersh added. The journalist also pointed out how Kiev glorifies Stepan Bandera, “the great pro-Nazi who killed Jews like crazy during World War II.”

Seymour Hersh dubs Nord Stream sabotage ‘dumbest’ US act in years
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“It’s just silly not to right away assure the Russian government that we weren’t interested in making Ukraine a member of NATO,” Hersh stated, referring to long-standing concerns in Moscow. “NATO didn’t want Ukraine anyway because of the corruption.”
 

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So far only Germany and Poland 100% behind sending large number of military equipment to Ukraine.
Only way Russia may loose this war, if the US military leaders agree to get involved on the ground. But I hope they won't , because it wouldn't be pretty for the rest of the world. Fuck these imbeciles like Kamala, Blinken and the rest of them.
 

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Apparently there's already 11,000 Americans in Poland, and that fucking Biden ready to commit more, escalating the already lit fuse to burn faster..
Keep watching what will entail after his visit there.

Feb 19 (Reuters) - Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on Sunday that he and U.S. President Joe Biden will discuss possibly increasing U.S. troop presence in Poland and making it more permanent during Biden's upcoming visit to Warsaw.
"We are in the process of discussion with President Biden's administration about making their (troop) presence more permanent and increasing them," Morawiecki said on CBS's "Face the Nation."
"I'm very grateful also for sending new Patriot systems and other very modern weapons and munitions because this is also to some extent a proxy for presence of soldiers, but of course the two go in tandem," he said.
The United States bolstered its troop presence in Poland ahead of the Feb. 24, 2022, invasion and currently has roughly 11,000 personnel on rotation there, according to CBS.
 

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To add, Macron forgot about history too, lol.
PARIS, Feb 18 (Reuters) - France wants Russia to be defeated in Ukraine but it does not want to "crush" it, President Emmanuel Macron told paper Le Journal du Dimanche.

"I do not think, as some people do, that we must aim for a total defeat of Russia, attacking Russia on its own soil. Those observers want to, above all else, crush Russia. That has never been the position of France and it will never be our position," Macron said in an interview published on Saturday.
He must be unaware, his hero Napoleon wanted to do same, but was defeated trying in 1812, haha
 
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