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Joes poking the bear.
He wants desperately to push the button,
But wants to say “they made me do it”
Let him push the buttons in the elevator, like toddlers love to do. Keep these Fr's away from our future.

On a side note, there's a video circulating of UAF soldiers jumping into an armored Humvee, complete with turret. The same kind they lagged getting to our guys in the middle east. Body cam from the guy jumping in the right rear. Then an explosion...as the guy bails, the front door is in view hanging. Hit with artillery fire of some sort. Good way to spend our money.
 

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It's been reported in Europe media that the Russian submarine Belgorod disappeared from it's base Also a nuclear train with weapons heading to the Ukraine front.


This was on Youtube also on 1st of Oct


I'm guessing this could be a reaction by Putin, because Zelensky and some western powers still drumming for Ukraine to be accepted by NATO.
 
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This quote was taken from the aforementioned Wikipedia article on the Budapest Memorandum.

"Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the signatory of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind."

This was one of the guidelines set forth by the treaty. I don't know how long the US has been funneling money to Ukraine.

We know the Maiden Coup took place in January and early February of 2014. This is a fact by Wikipedia, and not refuted by others. Early March of 2014 was when the Russians took Crimea. This is also stated as fact via Wikipedia and generally agreed upon.

The coup succeeded in overthrowing an elected official that was Russian friendly. The US has admitted involvement. It just so happened that the new leader was pro-west...purely coincidence I'm sure.

He’s going to ride the Ukraine train straight into WWIII…supporting the corrupt sending billions of dollars right up to the end.
Because “Putnik” bad…
 

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For you Putnik fans:
Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.

Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

In exchange, the U.S., and the U.K. would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum:
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True, but since 1994 Ukraine has also seen several government coups, new constitution, new constitutional amendments…I don’t think any semblance of the government that signed that treaty in 1994 exists today.
 

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Let him push the buttons in the elevator, like toddlers love to do. Keep these Fr's away from our future.

On a side note, there's a video circulating of UAF soldiers jumping into an armored Humvee, complete with turret. The same kind they lagged getting to our guys in the middle east. Body cam from the guy jumping in the right rear. Then an explosion...as the guy bails, the front door is in view hanging. Hit with artillery fire of some sort. Good way to spend our money.
why not give him a console that has fake buttons like the little tykes driving kit..........make him think he is doing something, when it is just buttons on a console? way less destruction.......but destruction is the plan
the reset is a conspiracy theory that keeps coming true.......taking the west down to third world levels
 

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For you Putnik fans:
Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.

Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.

In exchange, the U.S., and the U.K. would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum:
Click here:

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You're a smart guy TPC, try a little harder. 👍
 

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Report: US Special Operations Forces are on the Ground in Ukraine​

The presence is part of a broad clandestine operation that includes the CIAby Dave DeCamp Posted on October 6, 2022Categories NewsTags Ukraine
US special operations forces are on the ground in Ukraine as part of a broad covert operation that includes CIA personnel, The Intercept reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed US intelligence and military officials.
The report said that the US withdrew its CIA and special operations assets from Ukraine shortly before Russia’s invasion, although one US official said the CIA “never completely left.”
The CIA initially predicted that Kyiv would fall quickly to Russia, but after it became clear that wouldn’t happen, the Biden administration sent its covert assets back into Ukraine.
The report said that US clandestine operations inside Ukraine “are now far more extensive than they were early in the war, when US intelligence officials were fearful that Russia would steamroll over the Ukrainian army.”
Several current and former intelligence officials said that there “is a much larger presence of both CIA and US special operations personnel and resources in Ukraine than there were at the time of the Russian invasion in February.”
Back in June, The New York Times reported that there was a CIA presence in Ukraine, but it made no mention of US special operations forces. The Timesreport did say that several US allies have special operations troops in Ukraine, including Britain, France, Canada, and Lithuania.
The Intercept report said the covert operations inside Ukraine are being conducted under a covert presidential finding that indicates President Biden has quietly notified Congress of a “broad program of clandestine operations inside the country.” The report said that the finding President Biden is using is an altered version of a finding originally during the Obama administration.
It’s not clear what the US personnel are doing inside Ukraine or where exactly they are operating, but the presence risks provoking Russia. The covert operations contradict President Biden’s pledge not to send troops into Ukraine, which he said before Russia’s invasion could spark a “world war.”
 

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Bridge to Crimea hit...in the days after Zalensky asking for the US to "guide" his long range missles...
Civilian target, not effecting the war, as war supplies aren't coming through there. Well, I'm sure by the end of the day that will change on the news.

Putin's 70th birthday, western media played up how his inner circle is a afraid of him and his mentality. Of course, no mention in our media of Biden's faculties. The biggest news should have been from Chechnya. They had roughly 10,000 soldiers in Ukraine already. Really, they were the ones that took Mariuopol, not the Russians. Chechnya pledged another 70,000 soldiers.

Anyone that thought the CIA wasn't on the ground is way too trusting of government in general. Sad, but this is a stupid war, and there will be a lot of American deaths just so the rich can get richer.
 

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The story of a truck bomb would be more advantageous to the popular narrative that there are many "inside" fighting against Russia.
The damage on the bridge itself looked very focused, blowing a hole top and bottom of one lane. I'm sure it could be done with a van bomb, but not buy most without some serious help.
 

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Also, same day as bridge gets hit, missile or truck, none Western news is sharing pics of dead and captured "foreign" mercanies in the Karkhiv region. This is in the north, where the UAF has been making gains. Supposedly, some captured, some killed. Weapons and uniforms did not appear to be UAF or Russian, NATO types. Of course Russia is claiming some special forces from US in the mix.
 

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....and we're off! Knew it was coming, but no nukes yet....
 

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Get Ready. If anyone's been watching all the Critters prepping for this Winter? They knew a while back this Winter will be long and hard...
 

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That seems more like a mild annoyance, than a major attack. Maybe testing security protocols on things? The whole country is so reliant on tech, there are many ways to kneecap the average city or industry.
Whew! Well, at lest Putin won't be using actual bombs on our U.S. power lines...
 

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That seems more like a mild annoyance, than a major attack. Maybe testing security protocols on things? The whole country is so reliant on tech, there are many ways to kneecap the average city or industry.
To think if a financial institution not an airport is compromised. Swipe your card and receive a decline in the middle of the desert with no cash on hand for gas. It gets real quick. Most folks are not ready.
 

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Another day of missile strikes by Russia, and another day of artillery shelling from Ukraine. Both are claiming the other is hitting civilian targets...for once I agree with both.
Hannity started his show today in full bluster "Putin's on the ropes, we should put him down"...spoken as someone that's only fighting experience is in a "dojo", not an alley, and probably won't have to worry about his kids and a draft. The other news would be Russia shutting off electricity to Europe from the power plants.

Now, if one would believe only the Western media, Russia is to only one killing civilians. Hannity was on fire about it today. Seems he forgets history like the left does at times. March 10th, 1944...Tokyo. 280 bombers, killing 100,000 civilians. A striking success, the US only lost a handful of bombers, 4 or 5. Those pulling the strings never shed blood nor a tear.
 

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That was the word on the "street"...the Russian targets were mostly infrastructure. Two major issues with that, "infrastructure" tends to be in populated areas, and I think the Russian ways aren't very precise.
This does more than screw with Ukraine, as they did, until this week, export energy to Europe.

On another note, Wednesday I heard some of the speech from the NATO meeting in Brussels. "We cannot stand by and watch a larger country attack a small, peaceful country"
At what point is artillery fire against your own citizens considered peaceful?

I'm confused on how NATO works. We were told before the Russians were guilty of ethnic cleansing against the Muslims before. They might have been. That said, the Chechyn soldiers are basically bearded, Muslim Russians.

Also been some reports now of both American and British soldiers killed in the north. This may explain the AFU's gains, but the media and the President say we have no troops on the ground. This would be bad, but I don't trust them either.
 

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So. Mexico's largest source of income is remittances to Mexico, by Mexicans abroad. So. The American taxpayer is the largest source of income to Ukraine. And NATO. So NATO, and the Ukrainians abroad need to step up. If they don't care enough to do that? What does that say about Ukrainians and the Europeans?

If Y'all don't care, I don't care either. Close the checkbook. It's not Joe's checkbook, it's ours... F the Swamp, FJB.
 

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More strikes in Kiev. Mostly "infrastructure" and one residential building. Only reporting 3 dead, so an empty residential building luckily.
On the other side, Donetsk City Administration building got hammer in downtown Donetsk.
Ukraine tried a counteroffensive in Kehrson last week...didn't go so well for UAF. Really not great for either side, but no gains made.

...And China is telling all citizens to leave. Oddly, they say they'll keep their embassy open to help. In quite stark contrast to the US in Afghanistan....
 

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It's a Shitshow for sure. My question is, if the UAF has conscripted every able bodied man and gave them an AK?
And if the U.S. is unilaterally pouring money into Ukraine, enough to arm to the teeth every man woman and child? You would think there would be an enraged populace of relatives, and a pissed off populace in general, out for blood, retribution, and every Russian soldier's head on a pike...

Pissed off 1500's Peasants in England with pitchforks and sharp sticks did just that, for far less. What's up Ukraine...
 

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It's a Shitshow for sure. My question is, if the UAF has conscripted every able bodied man and gave them an AK?
And if the U.S. is unilaterally pouring money into Ukraine, enough to arm to the teeth every man woman and child? You would think there would be an enraged populace of relatives, and a pissed off populace in general, out for blood, retribution, and every Russian soldier's head on a pike...

Pissed off 1500's Peasants in England with pitchforks and sharp sticks did just that, for far less. What's up Ukraine...
At the start of all this, there were a couple news stories about men and boys being stopped at the border trying to flee. I think it only made the news because those "born male" were being forced back as well.

The US Government will arm Ukraine, Jihadis and probably more, but don't want us to have guns...
 

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They learned from Vietnam. Nobody rocked a South Vietnamese flag. Same Bogeymen, easier sell, sympathy for Ukraine...
 

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They just need to send all the Ukrainian women over here. I am sure there are enough men tired of the entitlement attitude most American woman have. We will keep them warm and safe until they turn us into organ donors.
 

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Interesting points. Never would have thought the gas line could cause discourse with Germany and US...different angles like that I'd never seen. Attacks on cables have been a threat I'd read about since the 80's. Honestly surprised they hadn't been messed with.

The one thing that I see as being pretty odd with the current BS, is what's been going on this week. Putin just now started hitting critical infrastructure targets in and around Kiev. I'd always thought those were initial primaries. Why start infrastructure attacks on a pipeline servicing a different country, than the one in which you are fighting?

Also, great videos of the pipeline ships. Impressive floating factories!
 

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NATO should reevaluate if they really want to risk WWIII over this, old farts running amok keep fueling this war
to no end. EU spokesman says we have money to support Ukraine.:mad:
 
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